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Cafe Charging you to drink your own drink a

  • 15-12-2014 11:37pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭


    There is a little cafe, pizza/ tapas type place , I went to tonight for dinner. Food is lovely, place is lovely,and all that.
    But they don't have a bar only sell wine.
    Your allowed to bring your own cans/bottles of beer to drink but they charge you €1.50 to drink your own beer that you brought.
    This has to be the handiest few quid they will ever make.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    I dont know whats stranger between bringing your own drink to a cafe or being charged to drink it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Do you bring your own glass and wash it too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    Well you aren't buying their drinks. So they would losing money if they let you drink your own drink there for free. At least tap water is free here. In Germany you get a glass the size of a espresso cup and charge you for water after that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    I dont know whats stranger between bringing your own drink to a cafe or being charged to drink it.

    Well they don't have a bar licence, so what am I meant to drink ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    Well they don't have a bar licence, so what am I meant to drink ?

    Fanta?

    Its the cafes policies of allowing people bring drink i find strange anyway, not the fact that you brought drink with you.Id bring drink with me to if i could.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭lycan238


    I assume the fee is related to the glass you drink out off, the cost related to washing said glass and the disposal of bottle/can. You mention the comment 'what am I meant to drink ?' How about tea/coffee or a soft drink? You could always have an alcoholic drink when you return home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭hairyprincess


    Its called corkage. Extremely common practice, particularly for weddings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    lycan238 wrote: »
    I assume the fee is related to the glass you drink out off, the cost related to washing said glass and the disposal of bottle/can. You mention the comment 'what am I meant to drink ?' How about tea/coffee or a soft drink? You could always have an alcoholic drink when you return home.

    So if I get a glass of water for free I should them to clean the glass ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    So if I get a glass of water for free I should them to clean the glass ?
    No because it's customary for restaurants to provide free drinking water, it's not customary for most restaurants to allow you to BYO booze never mind for free. It's their choice to charge for that facility.

    I don't see a consumer issue if the charge is published so that you should be aware before you enter/book and not hidden.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    There is a little cafe, pizza/ tapas type place , I went to tonight for dinner. Food is lovely, place is lovely,and all that.
    But they don't have a bar only sell wine.
    Your allowed to bring your own cans/bottles of beer to drink but they charge you €1.50 to drink your own beer that you brought.
    This has to be the handiest few quid they will ever make.

    Was it your first time out on your own OP? Lots of BYOB places charge corkage, its extremely common.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    There is a little cafe, pizza/ tapas type place , I went to tonight for dinner. Food is lovely, place is lovely,and all that.
    But they don't have a bar only sell wine.
    Your allowed to bring your own cans/bottles of beer to drink but they charge you €1.50 to drink your own beer that you brought.
    This has to be the handiest few quid they will ever make.

    Look on it as "table rental".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    What exactly is the issue? The cafe doesn't have a drinks licence so you BYOB. They will charge you corkage for the privilege of drinking what you want. I don't see a problem with that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    I'd call that extortion:(. Next they'll be charging you to pee:rolleyes:.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I'd call that extortion:(. Next they'll be charging you to pee:rolleyes:.

    How is that extortion? The OP didn't have a gun to his head, did he? He has the choice to either eat in that establishment or not. If he doesn't like paying for corkage, he is free to eat elsewhere...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Its called corkage. Extremely common practice, particularly for weddings.

    Not that much drinking is done in Cork. It should be called Connemarage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    BYOB and corkage, nothing strange about either practice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    How is that extortion? The OP didn't have a gun to his head, did he? He has the choice to either eat in that establishment or not. If he doesn't like paying for corkage, he is free to eat elsewhere...

    This corkage lark is just like Ticketmaster adding booking fees and C.C. charges. IIRC it started with hotels charging it at weddings. Not alone did the sell the plonk, they charged for pouring it. Now it has spread to some restaurants. What else could you call it, but extortion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    It's not extortion, jesus.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭braddun


    most places have a corkage charge 1.50 is cheap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Most restaurants make a lot of profit on their wine and beer so paying a euro or so probably just about covers the cost of disposal and glass cleaning.
    Personally I think it's a great idea.
    It takes the hassle out of scanning the wine list looking for something that appeals to you and most likely you will have bought your favourite tipple at a far more reasonable price to enjoy with your meal and good company.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    This corkage lark is just like Ticketmaster adding booking fees and C.C. charges. IIRC it started with hotels charging it at weddings. Not alone did the sell the plonk, they charged for pouring it. Now it has spread to some restaurants. What else could you call it, but extortion.

    That shows you don't understand how the catering and hospitality industries work.

    When someone decides to bring their own drink, the venue makes no money. But - they have a drinks licence which has to be paid for (if the premises are licenced), plus legal and admin fees associated with that. Staff costs for working at the venue, rental of the glasses and cups, and costs associated with cleaning and putting away the glasses and cups. Water, gas and electric and detergent have to paid for. Why do you think all that is for free?

    If a cafe doesn't have a drinks licence, then the costs are lowered by charging corkage. Staff costs still have to be paid, and the glasses cleaned. Again - why do you think this should be free?

    Using your logic, do you think it's acceptable to bring your own food into an establishment and eat it there too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭howardmarks


    To serve beer you need a license which would be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. €5 a drink v off license price plus corkage. I know which I prefer. Also means the cafe can get around the no license law cause it doesn't "sell" alcohol.


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    I'd call that extortion:(. Next they'll be charging you to pee:rolleyes:.

    They already do in Amsterdam... and not even just for someone walking in off the street which is understandable.

    50c and somebody collects it so its not avoidable like the shopping centres do her occasionally.

    Defo the scabbiest charge I've encountered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Having intoxicated people on the premises could warrant the charge too. A lot more claims and damage happen when alcohol is involved.
    I really don't see a problem with it, but I think the charge "could" be illegal. The premises doesn't have a licence, unlike a hotel were corkage is common, so charges related to alcohol could be a breech??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    In my experience people think extortion, scam, and corruption are synonyms for expensive, or unexpected costs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭m'lady


    They already do in Amsterdam... and not even just for someone walking in off the street which is understandable.

    50c and somebody collects it so its not avoidable like the shopping centres do her occasionally.

    Defo the scabbiest charge I've encountered.

    I agree, I'm only back from a break there and everywhere in Amsterdam they charge you to go to the toilet, even Mc Donald's, and they certainly arent kept clean for the privilege!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    There is a little cafe, pizza/ tapas type place , I went to tonight for dinner. Food is lovely, place is lovely,and all that.
    But they don't have a bar only sell wine.
    Your allowed to bring your own cans/bottles of beer to drink but they charge you €1.50 to drink your own beer that you brought.
    This has to be the handiest few quid they will ever make.

    Its normally called corkage.
    and it is pretty normal


  • Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    Of course they charge you for corkage, if you didn't like whats on the menu would you expect to be allowed to bring your own food and drinks and pay nothing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭dobsdave


    corkonion wrote: »
    Of course they charge you for corkage, if you didn't like whats on the menu would you expect to be allowed to bring your own food and drinks and pay nothing?


    You bring your own because they don't offer the service, not because you don't like what they have.
    I've been to few of these places, never been charged extra.
    Not sure I'd bother with a place that charged me extra for my own drink to be honest.
    Although maybe the food was cheaper to offset the charge or the fact they didn't have to pay for any license?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Senna wrote: »
    Having intoxicated people on the premises could warrant the charge too. A lot more claims and damage happen when alcohol is involved.
    I really don't see a problem with it, but I think the charge "could" be illegal. The premises doesn't have a licence, unlike a hotel were corkage is common, so charges related to alcohol could be a breech??

    It's not illegal, a licence is only required to sell alcohol. Though it sounds like they already have a wine retailers licence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    I spent time with a family in South Africa and they would never order anything off the wine list in a restaurant ... before going out they would take a couple of selected bottles from their wine cellar and pay the corkage in the restaurant. They spent time collecting their wine and preferred having the choice of their own collection when eating out


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Well they don't have a bar licence, so what am I meant to drink ?

    soft drinks, tea, coffee, water?

    Not everyone needs to drink alcohol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Can you be charged corkage on cans, if you drink from them and recycle them yourself when done?

    just a random thought...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    Cabaal wrote: »
    soft drinks, tea, coffee, water?

    Not everyone needs to drink alcohol

    Fair enough, but if your legally aloud to drink, you don't want to go out for dinner and have a glass of coke..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    Senna wrote: »
    , but I think the charge "could" be illegal. The premises doesn't have a licence, unlike a hotel were corkage is common, so charges related to alcohol could be a breech??
    FFS - Illegal?

    Please please show me the law they are breaking? or "could" be breaking!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    Fair enough, but if you're legally allowed to drink, you don't want to go out for dinner and have a glass of coke..

    Then you look more carefully at the drinks menu before you decide to eat there. I once saw a thread on boards where someone bought food in a shop and tried to eat it in a nearby coffee shop. They were seriously teed off that the coffee shop owner was having none of it. I'm not sure there's an awful lot of difference really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Fair enough, but if your legally aloud to drink, you don't want to go out for dinner and have a glass of coke..

    Why not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭lycan238


    lycan238 wrote: »
    I assume the fee is related to the glass you drink out off, the cost related to washing said glass and the disposal of bottle/can. You mention the comment 'what am I meant to drink ?' How about tea/coffee or a soft drink? You could always have an alcoholic drink when you return home.
    Its called corkage. Extremely common practice, particularly for weddings.

    I actually forgot the 'corkage' element of the charge. Yes its very common.
    I'd call that extortion:(. Next they'll be charging you to pee:rolleyes:.
    They already do in Amsterdam... and not even just for someone walking in off the street which is understandable.

    50c and somebody collects it so its not avoidable like the shopping centres do her occasionally.

    Defo the scabbiest charge I've encountered.

    This I think will become a lot more common in the future here in Ireland. I actually know of one place that charges for access to the toilets but if you purchase any drink in one of the many cafe's in the location you dont pay to access the toilets ie if you have lunch out in the location you dont have to pay to use the toilets. If you walk off the street looking to use the toilets you pay 20c. You show them your receipt to prove purchase.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Can you be charged corkage on cans, if you drink from them and recycle them yourself when done?

    just a random thought...

    "Screwtop wine. No cork man! No corkage fee!" - failed customer excuse I heard once.

    Fair enough, but if your legally aloud to drink, you don't want to go out for dinner and have a glass of coke..

    You could have had wine.

    Or you could have chosen to eat somewhere that serves beer.

    Honestly can't see the issue.

    It's a common practice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    "Screwtop wine. No cork man! No corkage fee!" - failed customer excuse I heard once.




    You could have had wine.

    Or you could have chosen to eat somewhere that serves beer.

    Honestly can't see the issue.

    It's a common practice

    I'm not a wine drinker, and btw what eatery in Ireland doesn't sell beer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    I'm not a wine drinker, and btw what eatery in Ireland doesn't sell beer.
    Plenty actually!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Plenty actually!

    I don't mean to sound real naive, but that's actually the first I have heard.
    Don't get me wrong it was a lovely place with lovely food and I would go again, I just thaught it was a little cheeky charging you to BYOD.
    I never heard of the term "corkage" before now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Brodick


    I don't mean to sound real naive, but that's actually the first I have heard.
    Don't get me wrong it was a lovely place with lovely food and I would go again, I just thaught it was a little cheeky charging you to BYOD.
    I never heard of the term "corkage" before now.
    Maybe you need to get out more. Corkage is as old as the hills.
    It's a great idea and usually works out cheaper for the customer. It's also good for the restaurant as they don't have to carry stock.
    The restaurant owner has to pay rent, rates, staff wages, PRSI, light heat and power.
    When you eat there you are renting space from them and they need to recover their costs.
    Many restaurants go bust because the margins are tight. Give them a break.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭chillywilly


    This corkage lark is just like Ticketmaster adding booking fees and C.C. charges. IIRC it started with hotels charging it at weddings. Not alone did the sell the plonk, they charged for pouring it. Now it has spread to some restaurants. What else could you call it, but extortion.

    It's not extortion.

    It reminds me of a (very) small cafe/sandwich shop owner that I know. He has a shop in a small office park and relies on office workers coming in each day for coffee/sambos etc to keep afloat.

    I was having a chat with him and he said people often come in to the cafe and ask him for a slice of bread and not expect to pay for it because "it's only a slice of bread". Another person used to come in with their own pastry and ask him to put cheese on it and toast it for them for nothing! He ended up charging 50 cent each for these requests and proper order too!

    These are largely small business owners who are struggling to stay afloat.

    A person who brings their own beer must realise that the cafe owner is paying for heating, rent, rates, recycling/waste disposal etc etc and for this reason a small corkage fee is well justified in my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    I think the OP's a teenager so it's quite possible he has never heard of corkage :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    I think the OP's a teenager so it's quite possible he has never heard of corkage :)

    Yes I'm only 18. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    I think the OP's a teenager so it's quite possible he has never heard of corkage :)

    The Clue was in his earlier post ;)
    Fair enough, but if your legally aloud to drink, you don't want to go out for dinner and have a glass of coke..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    braddun wrote: »
    most places have a corkage charge 1.50 is cheap
    +1, this thread belongs in bargain alerts!

    Is this a 1.50 flat fee or per drink?

    Even as a per drink charge its relatively cheap compared to what a cafe would charge.

    I know people who go to BYO places and end up saving money, some places will put your bottles in the fridge for you. These people would split a bottle of vodka & a 2L of coke. They were able to order their own drink and waiters would put it in glasses with ice & lemon.

    A bottle of vodka & coke and be got for about €20 if an offer is on, a bottle of tesco rum (surprisingly good) and real coke would have been €13.70 recently.

    The local pub would be €3.85 per shot & €2.85 per 200ml coke, this works out as over €100 to buy 700ml of vodka & 2L of coke


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    Ah bless, the OP will learn in time that he spotted a bargain.

    My guess is he is still in school and possibly not earning yet. Maybe he'll get a part-time job in a shop or pub and get paid "wages".

    Someday he'll realise his wages come from customers who pay a a price higher than it cost the shop/pub to buy in the product he is serving so that they can be served by the OP and the OP can be paid for providing that service. Part of what they pay will also pay the landlord for the premises, ESB for the light & heat, the council for rates, the furniture compnay for the seats etc etc.

    Someday, the OP will realise he came upon a bargain! - Not a rip-off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    delahuntv wrote: »
    Ah bless, the OP will learn in time that he spotted a bargain.

    My guess is he is still in school and possibly not earning yet. Maybe he'll get a part-time job in a shop or pub and get paid "wages".

    Someday he'll realise his wages come from customers who pay a a price higher than it cost the shop/pub to buy in the product he is serving so that they can be served by the OP and the OP can be paid for providing that service. Part of what they pay will also pay the landlord for the premises, ESB for the light & heat, the council for rates, the furniture compnay for the seats etc etc.

    Someday, the OP will realise he came upon a bargain! - Not a rip-off.

    I'm in college and have recently got a part time job :)😜


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