Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

Tipsy McSwagger · 09-11-2013 7:09pm

tok9 wrote: »

Shu was asked a question and answered it. Hardly childish.

He's hardly going to say yes now is he?

tok9 · 09-11-2013 7:10pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He's hardly going to say yes now is he?

He could have said nothing if he wanted to... that's generally what people do when it's bad news.

I'm assuming that guy was banned for throwing up pictures etc as it wasn't his fault he was sent the console early.

Tipsy McSwagger · 09-11-2013 7:31pm

tok9 wrote: »

He could have said nothing if he wanted to... that's generally what people do when it's bad news.

I'm assuming that guy was banned for throwing up pictures etc as it wasn't his fault he was sent the console early.

Here's how business works. When you're direct competitor gets bad press you don't just say nothing. You say what buyers want to hear and in doing so make yourself look good.

Grayditch · 09-11-2013 7:32pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Here's how business works. When you're direct competitor gets bad press you don't just say nothing. You say what buyers want to hear and in doing so make yourself look good.

And childish?

Pushtrak · 09-11-2013 7:35pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Here's how business works. When you're direct competitor gets bad press you don't just say nothing. You say what buyers want to hear and in doing so make yourself look good.

He was asked a direct question. Should he have ignored the question? If yes, why? If no, you don't have a leg to stand on.

tok9 · 09-11-2013 7:47pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Here's how business works. When you're direct competitor gets bad press you don't just say nothing. You say what buyers want to hear and in doing so make yourself look good.

That's not how business works and if is is it makes your initial comment even more bizarre if you actually expected this outcome.

DeSelby83 · 09-11-2013 7:54pm

I can't wait until these consoles are out for 6 months at least and then maybe all this(not just on here) childish bickering on the Internet will fall away to the background. I hope both machines do fantastic and as a result create even more competition for each other. Roll on the next gen when we really are spoiled for choice as gamers

CastorTroy · 09-11-2013 8:02pm

DeSelby83 wrote: »

I can't wait until these consoles are out for 6 months at least and then maybe all this(not just on here) childish bickering on the Internet will fall away to the background. I hope both machines do fantastic and as a result create even more competition for each other. Roll on the next gen when we really are spoiled for choice as gamers

You mean like how all the bickering between 360 and PS3 fanboys disappeared? :pac:

Tipsy McSwagger · 09-11-2013 8:05pm

Grayditch wrote: »

And childish?

All the stupid petty arguing and trying to get one up that is going on before the consoles are released is childish IMO.

String · 09-11-2013 8:06pm

DrMorphine wrote: »

I'm guessing it will be unbanned on the 22nd. Not wrong for Microsoft to do that, They would of banned his xbox live aswell otherwise

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/e...x-one-details/

A Microsoft spokesperson tells Engadget that the Xbox One consoles some consumers received by accident well ahead of launch on November 22nd cannot access Xbox Live until closer to launch. The statement says: "Due to a retail partner's system issue, a very small number of Xbox One consoles were shipped to consumers before the November 22 street date. We're pleased to see the initial response to Xbox One has been so positive, but given we are still putting the finishing touches on our games, UI and online services, as well as confidential partner and media agreements, these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."

Major Nelson via NeoGAF: "I am trying to get in touch with him…but I guess he is still sleeping from his all night Xbox One bender. I hopefully can chat with him today and get this sorted out ASAP."

Grayditch · 09-11-2013 8:14pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

All the stupid petty arguing and trying to get one up that is going on before the consoles are released is childish IMO.

I'm talking about the response to the question. Was it good, expected business, or childish?

Neverminf actually. I sense some backtracking afoot and I'm not sure I care enough

Tipsy McSwagger · 09-11-2013 8:23pm

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm talking about the response to the question. Was it good, expected business, or childish?

It made sense from a business point of view but he should have said no comment as there is a chance it could backfire on sony if they do the same thing as ms.

Xenji · 09-11-2013 8:27pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

It made sense from a business point of view but he should have said no comment as there is a chance it could backfire on sony if they do the same thing as ms.

Sony have never blocked a console before, so I do not think they would start doing it now, Shu is a executive with a lot of pull, if he says it will not happen, it will not happen, he has never lied before.

COYVB · 09-11-2013 9:58pm

Xenji wrote: »

Sony have never blocked a console before, so I do not think they would start doing it now, Shu is a executive with a lot of pull, if he says it will not happen, it will not happen, he has never lied before.

no need for sony to do it. day one patch went out on thursday of this week i believe. any consoles in the wild that get shipped early won't have an unfinished online infrastructure to content with

Pedro Monscooch · 09-11-2013 10:55pm

To those getting both consoles, what games are you buying?

I've both preordered but xbox would be my personal preference with multiplatform games.

Pushtrak · 09-11-2013 11:01pm

Pedro Monscooch wrote: »

To those getting both consoles, what games are you buying?

I guess you mean getting both at launch. I'll be getting both, just don't know when yet. There are multiplats I know I'll be interested in getting. Assassin's Creed 4, Watch Dogs, Metal Gear Solid 5.

In terms of exclusives, I don't know what I'll get yet. In terms of the One, I'll be keeping an eye on D4. As far as the PS4 goes, I'll keep an eye out for The Order see if that is any good. Primarily, the games that are going to be of interest will be ones we don't even know about yet, which is kinda why I have no interest in getting either at launch.

Josey Wales · 09-11-2013 11:07pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Sony. They are just trying to get one up on MS, when realistically there's only a slim chance of a PS4 getting posted early.

Slim chance?

Appears a PS4 is already out in public.

Link

Captain Chaos · 09-11-2013 11:07pm

Pedro Monscooch wrote: »

To those getting both consoles, what games are you buying?

I've both preordered but xbox would be my personal preference with multiplatform games.

Getting both at launch. The 360 was my primary console and got all my multiplatforms for it, that and I find it almost impossible to aim with the Dual Shock 3 in fps games. PS3 was for exclusives but PS+ has changed all that.

Now I see the PS4 being my primary now that they have fixed the sticks, triggers and made the controller bigger. Just getting the X1 for exclusives.

Games at launch I'm getting:
PS4: Killzone SF and AC4
X1: Forza 5 (free with console) and Dead Rising 3

Pixelbastardo · 10-11-2013 12:40am

SouthTippBass · 10-11-2013 4:29pm

If this poll is going to be any indication of sales, it looks like the Playstation will be outselling the Xbox at about 4 to one.

.......4.....to......one.

You see that?

That cant be coincidence :cool:

(if anybody needs me I'l be in the conspiracy theory thread)

vladicaris · 10-11-2013 9:08pm

Why you need two console almost no difference in game titles ?

Pushtrak · 10-11-2013 9:24pm

vladicaris wrote: »

Why you need two console almost no difference in game titles ?

Was there almost no difference in titles last gen? There was a lot of overlap, yes, but almost no difference is going way overboard on that. There were plenty of titles that I could only get on one console. Enough so that owning both was a sensible thing to do.

Anyone who is a one console gamer has very probably missed out on many great games. As for next gen, well, we don't know about that many games relatively speaking. It'll take time before we see some great games, obviously. It isn't even out yet. You can't base the worth of owning a console based on launch titles.

It wouldn't be for me, but even at launch, both consoles could appeal to people. A person might be a big fan of Killzone and Forza and would get plenty of time out of both consoles. I'm not a fan of either, so I wouldn't.

Kiith · 11-11-2013 12:03am

On the exclusives, the One would probably edge it for me with Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 (and maybe Forza), but i still think i'll get a PS4 first.

Baked.noodle · 14-11-2013 10:29pm

Sony investigating reported PS4 hardware issues.

Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida says the company is looking into reports of PS4 hardware issues.

Xenji · 14-11-2013 10:43pm

Baked.noodle wrote: »

Sony investigating reported PS4 hardware issues.

Its just 7 consoles, or 0.04 0f stock that has been released so far.

Retr0gamer · 14-11-2013 10:55pm

Xenji wrote: »

Its just 7 consoles, or 0.04 0f stock that has been released so far.

Still kind of worrying since Sony has never released a console that didn't have problems at launch.

photofinish · 14-11-2013 11:01pm

I have had all the Playstation consoles and all the Xbox consoles to date.

Microsoft and Sony are huge and I consider myself a paying customer not a fan.

Xbox 360 and PS3 run games pretty equally in the early days on multi platform releases 360 seemed to be ahead of frame-rate and textures.
Closer to the end of this generation it seemed to be about even with the PS3 getting the benefit of the odd sharper texture and higher bit-rate in game video thanks to that Blu ray storage.
All in all the two consoles looked and played 99.9% the same.

As regards exclusives I loved the Forza and Halo games along with Gears or War.
However the only game I really played this year was GTA V and it was multi platform.

Apps are becoming more important Netflix Sky Go and Xbox video and got quite a bit of use from me.

Reports are saying the PS4 is much more powerful then the Xbox One this is what has me thinking?

Will this be noticeable will the same game running on the Xbox One stand out as inferior to it's PS4 cousin?

PS3 and Xbox 360 are ten year old hardware and I have really being looking forward to a jump to the next generation.

I like Xbox exclusive games way more but not at the price of having the rubbish version of multi platform titles.

I am not paying €900 to go for the two consoles.

Can Xbox One match the PS4 on performance to the casual observer or will there be a real noticeable difference?

Kiith · 14-11-2013 11:03pm

And surprising they'd make an official announcement if it's such a small number. The Kotaku review guys said their 1st console was a dud though, so we'll have to see how widespread it actually is.

Last thing we need is another generation of dodgy consoles.

Varik · 14-11-2013 11:06pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Still kind of worrying since Sony has never released a console that didn't have problems at launch.

Name one company that didn't?

Xenji · 14-11-2013 11:06pm

I reckon they just did it to show it was just a miniscule amount of consoles affected so people did not think it was a widespread issue.

photofinish · 14-11-2013 11:09pm

Kiith wrote: »

And surprising they'd make an official announcement if it's such a small number. The Kotaku review guys said their 1st console was a dud though, so we'll have to see how widespread it actually is.

Last thing we need is another generation of dodgy consoles.

I had a RROD red ring of death of my first Xbox 360 and YLOD yellow light of death of my first PS3 they bolt lasted about a year.

I got the Slim PS3 and the Slim Xbox 360 and no problems since.

The first batch of PS3 consoles had a very high fail rate however this was masked because the 360 had a much higher fail rate.

I still got a dud from Sony and Microsoft.

Retr0gamer · 14-11-2013 11:11pm

Varik wrote: »

Name company one that didn't?

Sega and Nintendo, Microsoft (360 a disaster but XBox was very solid and apparently .44 magnum proof), NEC, SNK, etc.

Not being a fanboy or anything but the original PS1 had disc drives made of plastic that wore after a month and dodgy disc drives until well into the life cycle. PS2 had a massive disc drive failure rate, so much so a class action in the US was taken against them that Sony lost and the PS3 had the YLOD. Not saying the PS4 will be the same but their track record is hardly something that encourages me. I've had quite a few other Sony products fail on me as well due to dodgy laser drives.

WeHaveToGoBack · 14-11-2013 11:11pm

First games console was a PSOne, then PS2, PSP, PS3, PS Vita and the next will be a PS4.

Never had an XBOX. I'm use to Playstation (and the controller) now so I'll be sticking with that again, and it being €100 cheaper doesn't hurt either!

Captain Chaos · 14-11-2013 11:13pm

photofinish wrote: »

PS3 and Xbox 360 are ten year old hardware and I have really being looking forward to a jump to the next generation.

Can Xbox One match the PS4 on performance to the casual observer or will there be a real noticeable difference?

The PS3 is 7 and the 360 is 8 years old next week, they ain't 10 yet. The 360 had the better GPU so thats why most multiplats looked and ran better on it than the PS3 for the most part.

This time the PS4 has the most powerful GPU and more memory bandwidth and already there are differences. CoD Ghosts runs at 720p on the X1 and is upscaled to 1080p, the PS4 runs it straight out at 1080p. But the PS4 suffers from some slow downs at times. BF4 runs at 900p on the X1 and 1080p on the PS4. So from the start the developers are getting more out of the PS4. In Ghosts the PS4 is pumping out twice the amount of pixels on screen per sceond than the X1 is.

Time will tell what happens when MS get their graphics drivers in order but the PS4 will also get improvements as it progresses.

Varik · 14-11-2013 11:19pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sega and Nintendo, Microsoft (360 a disaster but XBox was very solid and apparently .44 magnum proof), NEC, SNK, etc.

Not being a fanboy or anything but the original PS1 had disc drives made of plastic that wore after a month and dodgy disc drives until well into the life cycle. PS2 had a massive disc drive failure rate, so much so a class action in the US was taken against them that Sony lost and the PS3 had the YLOD. Not saying the PS4 will be the same but their track record is hardly something that encourages me. I've had quite a few other Sony products fail on me as well due to dodgy laser drives.

I'm not accusing you of anything but it was a rhetorical question, there will never be a product 100% free of defects.

photofinish · 14-11-2013 11:20pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Time will tell what happens when MS get their graphics drivers in order but the PS4 will also get improvements as it progresses.

So the question becomes how much of this is hardware and how much is down to the drivers?

Also the PS4 running in full 1080P but with slowdown.

Is this new generation already hitting a performance brick wall right from the start?

photofinish · 14-11-2013 11:26pm

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Getting Xbox One with Fifa, Forza, BF4, and cod ghost. In March I'll get Titanfall.

I like you want to play Forza.

What about the power difference is it not making you want to ask a few questions before splashing the cash either way?

Captain Chaos · 15-11-2013 12:35am

photofinish wrote: »

Also the PS4 running in full 1080P but with slowdown.

Is this new generation already hitting a performance brick wall right from the start?

Part of it is that Ghost's engine is new and is not running great on PCs either, it seems to be badly optimized and is a resource hog, have to have really high specs to get decent performance yet the game does not look anything amazing.

The other part is that game developers are still figuring out the new consoles and how to get the best out of them. Compare the graphics of Forza 2 to Forza 4 on the 360 to see how far they have come. Same with something like Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3 or the Last of Us on the PS3.

Then there is Mass Effect 1, it has very bad frames rates and load times on the 360 then take Mass Effect 3, looks far, far better, has no frame rate issues.

Mass Effect 1 was ported over to the PS3 late in it's life and it runs as bad if not worse as the 360 version, just shows that it's game engine was poorly optimized for consoles.

Retr0gamer · 15-11-2013 1:08am

photofinish wrote: »

Is this new generation already hitting a performance brick wall right from the start?

It's what happens when you have to make a game for unfinalised hardware with unfinalised OS and drivers. You're making a game while trying to hit a moving target you can't see. It's amazing the developers get launch games running at all. PS1, 2 and 3 launch games had awful framerate problems and were hardly indicative of what the hardware offered.

Pushtrak · 15-11-2013 3:56am

www.shacknews.com/article/82040/tales-games-coming-to-playstation-4-not-xbox-one

There are going to be lots of exclusives on the PS4 I'm going to want, and the above is an example of something I'll definitely be wanting to get.

DARK-KNIGHT · 15-11-2013 4:27am

I am nervous following from the xbox 360 failure problems at launch..

if I had a ps4 ordered I would be very nervous seeing any hardware issues tbh.. do they have excess stock to replace problematic hardware even???

in saying that I really hope this will not be widespread and all you lads picking up a ps4 have the best of luck with your purchase.

Varik · 15-11-2013 4:53am

Pushtrak wrote: »

www.shacknews.com/article/82040/tales-games-coming-to-playstation-4-not-xbox-one

There are going to be lots of exclusives on the PS4 I'm going to want, and the above is an example of something I'll definitely be wanting to get.

Not surprised.

I'm not sure if it's the tales games I'm thinking of but a lot of timed exclusive JRPGs came out on 360 first and then a PS3 version was released with a substantial amount of additional content. While Japan might not be the biggest market especially for home console games anymore it's still the big market for these games, and a lot of the 360 gamers there were repeatedly given the short end.

JRPG are not a huge seller in the US, I'd say once the ONE's install base increase they'll release them.

Kirby · 15-11-2013 6:32am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Still kind of worrying since Sony has never released a console that didn't have problems at launch.

Varik wrote: »

Name one company that didn't?

Nintendo.

I have a launch Gameboy, a launch SNES, a launch N64, a launch DSfat, a launch cube and a launch wii.

Some of them are 20 years old.....They all still work.

Meanwhile, I've had a ps1, a ps2 and a 360 all break on me. More modern tech in some cases but the ps1 was a lot flimsier than the N64 and my launch wii has never failed despite my 360 frying three times. Three!

Sephiroth_dude · 15-11-2013 8:35am

Pushtrak wrote: »

www.shacknews.com/article/82040/tales-games-coming-to-playstation-4-not-xbox-one

There are going to be lots of exclusives on the PS4 I'm going to want, and the above is an example of something I'll definitely be wanting to get.

Yes :-D

*punches air*

Pushtrak · 15-11-2013 8:41am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Yes :-D

*punches air*

So, fewer people will play the games than otherwise might, and that's a good thing?

Xenji · 15-11-2013 11:09am

Pushtrak wrote: »

So, fewer people will play the games than otherwise might, and that's a good thing?

It was a very small portion of gamers that played the xbox versions, thats is why they are going exclusive now with Sony, well that is how Namco explained it anyway.

Retr0gamer · 15-11-2013 11:14am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Yes :-D

*punches air*

I'm sure Nippon Ichi will follow suit as well. I'd put money on the PS4 being a small success and being big with the Otaku crowd in Japan so hopefully we'll see some of the smaller RPG companies continue to target it like they have with the PS3. I doubt we'll see the big titles such as Dragon Quest and Megaten move off the much popular handhelds, with the exception of FF of course.

CatInABox · 15-11-2013 1:15pm

Mods, any chance the Gamespace Pro could be added to the poll?

Console war heats up.

SmurfX · 15-11-2013 2:16pm

Kirby wrote: »

Nintendo.

I have a launch Gameboy, a launch SNES, a launch N64, a launch DSfat, a launch cube and a launch wii.

Some of them are 20 years old.....They all still work.

Meanwhile, I've had a ps1, a ps2 and a 360 all break on me. More modern tech in some cases but the ps1 was a lot flimsier than the N64 and my launch wii has never failed despite my 360 frying three times. Three!

Wii had disc reading problems for dual layer dvds on a lot of models, the GBA had no backlight, the ds phat had a poor and awkward design and I've certainly had problems with cart readings in my snes. They might not have ceased operating like some others but there were certainly plenty of significant problems with them.

photofinish · 15-11-2013 4:03pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Mods, any chance the Gamespace Pro could be added to the poll?

Console war heats up.

Might be ok as a 2nd console but my money will be on the Okama GameSpere

Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

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