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The Links Thread

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Couple of blind shots alright, just not as many as other Links



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    St Patricks on Saturday and Old Tom on Sunday. And a feed of pints inbetween. Can't wait!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Class, played the two of them a few weeks ago. St Patrick's is very very good, there was temporary greens on 5 and 14 so hopefully they are gone for you. Its a tough test but also very fair, fairways are quite wide most of the time. Old Tom is good also but not in the same league.

    What was the damage for the 2 courses? we done the 3 for 195. Dont expect much food offerings in the clubhouse, there was just a few sandwiches when we played, and its just bars and crisps/drinks at St Patricks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I don't know the cost. My friend booked it and I'm guessing will ask me for money at some point. Everyone else is staying there, so I'd say it's probably around the 65e per round.


    I'm just staying one night, so am across the bay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    Played today. Very enjoyable (well, up until I shanked my way to a ding on 18).

    Lots of changes since I was last there 6-7 years ago. Bunkering is much more prominent. New and quality tee boxes in places.

    It’s proper links golf, with an interesting mix of bizarre and traditional holes. Would be a tough challenge when the wind blows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Played too, greens are nice and fast and the rough has also been changed since last year, you need to be straight. Not a good day at the office. As a matter of interest, which holes did you find bizarre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    The last is extremely quirky (and the tee box is proper hard hat territory).

    Big dog leg left (around 14) is a conventional enough hole in retrospect but is strange to the eye.

    The second hole and (maybe) the 5th are proper upside down saucers. Left myself just 60 yards into the latter but with no idea what was over the back I couldn’t help pulling it short.

    I enjoyed the course. It’s missing a few ingredients but it’s a lot of fun.



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    Played the three courses at Rosapenna recently. There's something fundamentally not right with St. Patricks at the moment in that the fairways are very patchy and scuffy. The greens aren't great either. The 5th and 14th greens seemed to have been recently relaid. Grass growth seems to be poor everywhere. I hope they find a solution soon because it's a fantastic course. Played it last September and it was in better condition then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    I would hazard a guess they’re booked solid everyday, wear and tear and the grass doesn’t get a chance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    I would very much doubt that they're booked out every day. Not on the evidence of when we were there either last week or last year. Only 5-6 groups seemed to be on any of the courses at any time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Yea they were far from busy when we were there. The course wasnt perfect i would agree but its still a fantastic course. The condition is only going to get better as more people play it, i thought the fairways could have done with some rolling as they seemed to be quite soft in places.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I played old tom Morris and St pats over the weekend. Old tom was lovely, felt like a very traditional links. Wind was fairly brutal that day, but i was actually going pretty well considering. I had 24 points after 12. Then I had 3 points on the last 6 holes. A couple of 3 putt 1 pointers, an unlucky lost ball from a drive, 2 very deserving lost balls from drives. But I'd love to play it again.


    St pats though the next day - I would hands down say it is the best course I've ever played. It's spectacular. I know there's bedding in to be done, but I wouldn't think it a bad thing if they kept some of the rough and ready look about it. While I'd love to try the other rosapenna course and say I'd love to play tom Morris again, I'd be very tempted to play St pats more than once when I return.


    The wind was tough again, but not as bad. I played well on the front 9 and turned with 17 points. Then the tiredness caught up with me - tough week on work, preparing for a holiday, long drive up, a long 18 the day before and pints that night. Around 10 my body just gave up. I actually nailed that drive and just caught the very end of the bunker. But then caught it thin out of it and lost the ball. Did okay with the drop, but three putted on a tough green - scratch. Followed by 4 more scratches! I looked like I just took up the game for a couple of holes. I parred the par threes on the back and almost finished well on 18 - 3 wood just rolled back off the green. A foot further would probably have left me an eagle putt, a yard definitely. Instead I ended up 3 putt bogeying from 10 feet.


    But I would just disagree completely with the previous poster who didn't love it. It'll get better. But for me it'll get better from a starting point of being the best course I've ever played.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    That 10th green is something else. i think there is 3 elevation changes on it? and if the pin is tucked back left you need a serious 2nd shot to get close.

    I would agree with you in that if i was to go back to Rosapenna i think St Pats would be the main reason and would probably play it more than once. combined with Sandy hills, although Old Tom does have a bit of charm about it and the fact its a Old Tom Morris course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Wow that all! Haven’t been up in 2 years and never played Patrick’s. I thought the Patrick’s course would have been booked up all summer from the reviews since it opened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭swededmonkey


    Sandy Hills is by far the toughest of the 3. You want to be on your game to score anything half decent. Fairways are much tighter than the other 2 and if your ball goes near the rough be prepared to never see it again!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Yea i would be inclined to agree, i did manage to complete the round in Sandy Hills with one Ball though. :D altough only scored 27pts i think :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    Agree with this.. Sandy Hills is the toughest of the three.

    As for it being so quiet, I'm still surprised at this. Rosapenna has been getting more and more coverage (Tom Coyne, world rankings, etc.) and at some point I'd expect the trickle of Yanks to become a deluge. But surprised that not more Irish are playing there. Having said that, I've played a fair bit of evening golf since April this year on courses around the Dublin area and can't believe how quiet the courses are. You'd think after Covid that lads would be mad to get out and play but it seems not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I was shocked at how quiet it was. Hardly a sinner out on it. I was a bit worried because we'd one lad with us who comes on our trips who's not a golfer. We gave him handicap of 54 and he had 9 points the first day. He's not slow, but if the course is congested it's awkward because he could hit it anywhere or nowhere and if you've had to wait to hit you might have an audience. I don't actually think he realises people care which is good, but I'd be self conscious on his behalf.


    But with the publicity it's been getting I expected it to be booked solid. There will come a time when Donegal is thronged with golf tourists. We should enjoy it while we can.



  • Registered Users Posts: 810 ✭✭✭augustus gloop


    I am going to be in Lahinch in early August and was hoping to get a round in. I have been told the timesheets are completely booked. Does anyone have any knowledge around this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    I think the South of Ireland championship is on 1st week of August so that might explainable of tee times.

    as with all south west links courses they have all covid cancellations from previous years all crammed into this yr so timesheets are generally full most days



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    I think Lahinch is closed to visitors from August 3rd-20th. All 2022 visitor slots were gone from early Spring too, I think because of covid reschedules and so on but have also heard that a lot of the 2023 slots are booked already. Great course but I personally don't think its worth the green fee they charge and with no GUI rate and their preference for American visitors it does put me off the place a bit. Haven't been there in years though to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    I contacted Lahinch earlier this year and was told that they have no availability for 2022 and that 2023 is filling up quickly also.

    Maybe if you are in the are pop in on the morning and see can they squeeze you out. Or go drinking in the area and see can you get chatting to a member to bring you out as a guest :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Yea they really dont want to entertain the Irish Golfers. It took them a long time to put together a rate for Golf Ireland during covid.

    It is a hefty price considering you can play RCD or Portrush for not much more, i would like to play it at some point though, so wiill have to take the hit eventually. :)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Have to say it was us that kept the likes of this course open during the Pandemic years, slots should be reserved for local availability, stinks a bit.

    I also doubt every single slot is booked, I'd say more a case of block booked for Travel agencies and the like



  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    There is definitely a bit of a sour taste in manys mouth about how we supported these big clubs during covid.

    I can only speak for Royal Portrush...but i played it 4 times in 2020 and 2021 as they were offering a very good Open Competition for £148.00

    Now that the Americans are back there is not one single Open Competition for local golfers to play at a reduced rate.

    Would it really be that big of a deal to have 1 or even 2 opens a year. Put them on a Monday or whatever even if you so please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Were we actually supporting the clubs or taking advantage of the reduced rates while we could? I’d be inclined to say the latter. If the fees hadn’t reduced the same guys wouldn’t be supporting the clubs as they like to believe they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭finglashoop




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Well the reduced rates supported the club, hard to separate the two, it was win win for both sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Absolutely, they did what was necessary and we took full advantage, so there should be no bitterness from either side.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    It was a win-win situation certainly for everyone.

    However...the club probably NEEDED us much more than we needed to play. As i said...to host 1 or even 2 competitions a year on unattractive days of th week i don't think is too much of an ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    if you think the big links courses needed your covid times reduced green fees you are sadly mistaken.

    the lime of RCD PORTRUSH BALLYB TRALEE etc all have hundreds of thousands sitting in bank accounts.

    it was just a goodwill offer by most of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    I think your maths is a little suspect.

    During summer midweeks, they pull in €4K an hour in green fees alone. Probably 150% times that again in shop sales.

    Even just 15 hours a week of that throughput from yanks, equates to around €150k sales. At 80-90% margin. A week.

    So if they’ve “only” got hundreds of thousands in the bank, it means their outgoings are outlandish.

    And two years without premium green fees and branded jumper sales would surely have put them on or near the brink, had they not generated some income from home.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    "money" in the bank is the worst place for it, the courses dropped rates for cashflow, wages and expenses still needed to be paid and being in a positive/strong financial position is not the same as generating cash for liquidity



  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    You can play the Cashen Monday to Friday for €80 which is not bad value. It has been said before that if it were not located right beside the old it would be on a fair mark for a standalone course. Doonbeg can be played at decent value as well at €95 for tee times mid week after 4.00pm and really I dont see much of a difference between that and La Hinch. If anything they are more friendly and accomodating in Doonbeg. Great variety of holes and rarely held up. Played recently and greens are perfect. Waterville can be played mid week any time for €140 and is really a top tier course and good value when compared to some of more illustrious names. Usually if I want to get a fix of links golf those are places I would go as €250 for Tralee, €275 for Ballybunion Old or Old Head at €350 is hard to justify and outside my price range.



  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    An offer of goodwill just conveniently timed when they're usual bookings have fallen off a cliff edge...riiiiiiight.

    To suggest it was simply an offer of goodwill and they didn't need us is complete and utter nonsense. Fair enough these clubs wouldn't have went to the wall without us...but they would have been in a much more precarious situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    ballyb cashen course now running semi-open singles on Wednesdays.

    €25 for visitors. decent value even if not my favourite course

    my mates are playing tomorrow



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Good value, underrated links IMHO, I love those perched greens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭willabur


    BB has 30 million in the bank

    they are spending 14 million on club upgrades. Redux of driving range, redux of the clubhouse (keeping up with the joneses aka waterville), some money put aside for cashen and old course also

    one of the proposals was a tom watson led redesign of the cashen which would have been very interesting but they decided to go with relatively minor upgrades around the place



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭willabur


    I love the cashen course, members don't like the greens, it is also more of a target golf course than the use the slope style you get on the old course. Also very easy to catch a bad bounce and never see your ball again kind of course



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I prefer Cashen too, Old is a top course but I like the roughness of Cashen and greens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Cashen is a thrill of a course, the ridiculous and the sublime epitomised. The par 3s are exceptional, especially 16, which may be the best short hole in the country. The 8th hole is a brilliant, fabulous hole, an amazing par 5.

    But then you have some v mediocre holes (the first few, the 9th), then you have some flat out awful, even unfair, holes like 6, the green in particular. Whatever way you look at it, 25e is incredible value if the weather is in anyway decent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Not to get into a coarse rating debate but you are doing a massive injustice to Lahinch by saying there isn't much of a difference between it and Doonbeg. I could name at least 20 links courses on island that a superior to Doonbeg. Fair enough the mere mortal will find it impossible to play Lahinch for a comparable rate to Doonbeg but the reason for that is, quite frankly, Lahinch is miles better that Doonbeg in every aspect. Anyone who hasn't played Lahinch and gets an opportunity to should grab it with both hands. Put it like this, if I was in Dublin and someone rang me to say I could play Doonbeg tomorrow for E50 I would pass. If the same person said I could play Lahinch for E120 I'd be in the car and on the road in seconds.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I agree, Doonbeg is not a bad course by any means but there are way better out there and also better value, I played Enniscrone after work last month for €45, way better course and much better value for money. Doonbeg is very much elite pricing but without the elite course status IMHO



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    So, any sightings of lads from the JP hitting various Irish links courses before heading over to Scotland?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I've never played Doonbeg and would like to. But from what I've heard I'm always surprised to see it so high up the rankings. I saw one today that put it 62nd in courses in Ireland and the UK. That leaves it ahead of Tralee, Carne, Adare Manor, The European Club a few others that I would say have a better reputation than it.


    Maybe the problem is that it does well in these rankings and people are then disappointed when they play it. Or maybe the problem is that people have heard that it's overrated and that's going to be their opinion of it regardless of how it is.


    I always hear people give out about the last few holes in Corballis, but I'm convinced that they heard they weren't great and were just primed to not like them. And I'm convinced that reputation of them is from before the course was renovated. Now the better side of corballis is the front 9. But some people say that some of the back 9 aren't really links holes. Maybe you could say that about the 15th green, but that's it. So when that's in their reason for not liking those holes, that's why I'm thinking that they're not really forming that opinion while playing them.


    For all courses we go with a preformed opinion and go from there. I wonder would I rank Baltray as highly if I didn't know that those in the know do. And I do wonder with Doonbeg when we hear everyone say that it shouldn't be ranked as highly as it is, has that tag stuck?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    They're just opinions, I had my lowest ever round in Doonbeg but I would still put a dozen links courses ahead of it, even likes of Cashen/Portrush Valley/Castlerock which hardly ever feature



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Having played Doonbeg and Lahinch (from that side of the country) I only have Lahinch ahead of it in terms of its legacy etc

    As far as a challenge goes, if you’re a very casual golfer who has no interest in history of a course etc I’d say Doonbeg is a better shout to play. Far more approachable course

    If paying the same price I personally would play Lahinch every time, but there was something really nice about Doonbeg and I have to say, staff were really really chill there and the clubhouse didn’t have the same ‘upper class’ vibe that Lahinch has. Course was in beautiful knick too



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Totally agree on playability, hardly anything blind, flat enough and wide enough off the tee, very well setup for the "casual" golfer, just that elevated par 3 green from memory that would catch out the casual/society golfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I much rather no blind shots. I just don't get them. Especially into greens. But even from the tee I much prefer them.


    And it's worst playing a new course, but even if it's your home club they can drive you cracked. You might think a shot it grand, but then turn the corner and it's not on the fairway. And you don't know did you not clear the danger, get caught in the rough short of where you were aiming, or run through the fairway you were hitting to. And you don't have a proper line because you didn't see it land.


    As I say, I don't like blind shots!



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