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  • #152
    deconduo
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_30?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1293453121&sr=1-30

    €75 each and free shipping.


  • #153
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    As good as the OCUK deal on the HD5850 was/is, pixmania have just about a better deal:


    Sapphire HD5850 1GB for €166.96 at Pixmania...

    The only thing is, shipping is about €15, but still a great deal. Surprisingly not many people in the BA thread seem to think so...
    deconduo wrote: »
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_30?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1293453121&sr=1-30

    €75 each and free shipping.

    While not a bad price, it is a 5400rpm drive. Shocking in this day and age. With large platters and very slow spindle speed, this will be a very low performing drive.


  • #154
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    From BA Thread
    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Eh...
    Sapphire HD5850 1GB for €166.96 at Pixmania...

    I think I might just buy one...

    After my other post about OCUK and their order validation, this seems like less stress.

    But Pixmania are adding "Zen Engagement" on the order at a price of €16,61

    This makes both total out at €200
    Im trying to figure out how to remove the Zen Engagement from the order, any ideas ???


  • #155
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    From BA Thread


    After my other post about OCUK and their order validation, this seems like less stress.

    But Pixmania are adding "Zen Engagement" on the order at a price of €16,61

    This makes both total out at €200
    Im trying to figure out how to remove the Zen Engagement from the order, any ideas ???


    You can de-select Zen Engagement when ordering. At the final order screen, there should be a tick box below it. I ordered a 460 and removed the zen crap.


  • #156
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    Found it, thanks a million!

    €183.95 including vat and express delivery, versus OCUK's €198.19.

    Ill get this new card if it kills me :)


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  • #157
    Rsaeire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Rsaeire


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    While not a bad price, it is a 5400rpm drive. Shocking in this day and age. With large platters and very slow spindle speed, this will be a very low performing drive.

    The Samsung 2TB F4 is an EcoGreen model so it's not meant to be a performance drive, but a quiet and energy efficient drive. As such, it manages this successfully as a result of only using 3 platters; as opposed to the 4 platters commonly found in other models in this size bracket.

    You can see the evidence of this in this review.


  • #158
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    The Samsung 2TB F4 is an EcoGreen model so it's not meant to be a performance drive, but a quiet and energy efficient drive. As such, it manages this successfully as a result of only using 3 platters; as opposed to the 4 platters commonly found in other models in this size bracket.

    You can see the evidence of this in this review.


    I know exactly what it is, thanks. I still think purchasing a 5400rpm drive in 2010 is madness.

    If you used 10's of drives for storage, I could maybe understand. But as the HDD is generally neither the noisiest nor most power hungry part of a home PC, I really do think its a bit pointless.


  • #159
    Shy_Dave!
    Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭Shy_Dave!


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    Found it, thanks a million!

    €183.95 including vat and express delivery, versus OCUK's €198.19.

    Ill get this new card if it kills me :)

    Came to €173 for me from OCUK's. Before the 24th that is!


  • #160
    deconduo
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I know exactly what it is, thanks. I still think purchasing a 5400rpm drive in 2010 is madness.

    If you used 10's of drives for storage, I could maybe understand. But as the HDD is generally neither the noisiest nor most power hungry part of a home PC, I really do think its a bit pointless.

    Spindle speed is not as important as you think. The actual difference in performance between the Caviar Black 2TB (Probably the fastest 2TB drive out) and the F4 is ~10% In fact, the F4 outperforms most 7200rpm drives older than 2 years.

    Benchmarks:

    F4 Ecogreen 2TB:

    singledriveread.png

    WD Caviar Black 2TB:

    wdcaviarblack2tbhdtune.png


    Considering that the Caviar Black is €150 (if you're lucky) and the F4 is €75 I think the choice is obvious.


  • #161
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    I'll take your single benchmark result, and raise you a full review.

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1076-page3.html

    Pay attention to boot times & app loading.

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1076-page4.html

    Its not really any quieter than the other drives tested here. It does use a little less power though.

    So yeah, it is slower.

    On most sites however, it does appear to be one of the, if not the cheapest 2tb drive money can buy, so if you can sacrifice performance for €€, by all means buy it.

    IMO in the days of super fast SSD's and fast 7200rpm drives, let alone power hungry video cards and CPU's, the HDD is not an area needing to reduce power by the odd watt, or noise, as its generally the quietest part of a PC anyway.

    Cheap media storage, the Ecogreen gets a thumbs up, but certainly wouldn;t be using it for my programs or boot drive.


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  • #162
    Rsaeire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Rsaeire


    The quieter the drive, the less vibrations will be transferred through the case, thereby eliminating that drone a lot of computers have as a result of vibrations. Granted, this won't be a concern for a lot of users, but, for those who are concerned, it's useful information to have.

    Also, I don't think many here would intend to use a 2 TB drive as a boot drive, especially given the advent of cheaper than ever SSDs.


  • #163
    deconduo
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I'll take your single benchmark result, and raise you a full review.

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1076-page3.html

    Pay attention to boot times & app loading.

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1076-page4.html

    Its not really any quieter than the other drives tested here. It does use a little less power though.

    So yeah, it is slower.

    On most sites however, it does appear to be one of the, if not the cheapest 2tb drive money can buy, so if you can sacrifice performance for €€, by all means buy it.

    IMO in the days of super fast SSD's and fast 7200rpm drives, let alone power hungry video cards and CPU's, the HDD is not an area needing to reduce power by the odd watt, or noise, as its generally the quietest part of a PC anyway.

    Cheap media storage, the Ecogreen gets a thumbs up, but certainly wouldn;t be using it for my programs or boot drive.

    I never said it would make a good boot drive. The guy never said it was for a boot drive. He asked for a cheap 2TB drive and I linked one. You seem to be making a fuss over nothing.


  • #164
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    that X4 630 is back to 180 euro from 56 :(


  • #165
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    Found it, thanks a million!

    €183.95 including vat and express delivery, versus OCUK's €198.19.

    Ill get this new card if it kills me :)

    Got an email this morning. It's been shipped and is in Shannon airport Wohoo!


  • #166
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    You can de-select Zen Engagement when ordering. At the final order screen, there should be a tick box below it. I ordered a 460 and removed the zen crap.

    The number of times I have forgotten to remove it and had to cancel the order (which requires manual authorisation on their part) and re-order is just silly. They are very sneaky about it, which I don't like- it should be opt in, not opt out.


  • #167
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    While not a bad price, it is a 5400rpm drive. Shocking in this day and age. With large platters and very slow spindle speed, this will be a very low performing drive.

    It's just for storing files so not bothered about performance.

    deconduo wrote: »
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_30?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1293453121&sr=1-30

    €75 each and free shipping.

    That'll do nicely. Cheers.


  • #168
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    Got an email this morning. It's been shipped and is in Shannon airport Wohoo!

    Delivered to Tralee this afternoon. Shame I'm in Dublin.


  • #169
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    Delivered to Tralee this afternoon. Shame I'm in Dublin.

    Lol :D

    My 460 was stuck in Cologne for 4 days, and is now apparently stuck in Dublin due to adverse weather conditions. Now, is it just me, or has nobody informed UPS that the weather is back to normal :rolleyes:


  • #170
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    challengemaster wrote: »
    Lol :D

    My 460 was stuck in Cologne for 4 days, and is now apparently stuck in Dublin due to adverse weather conditions. Now, is it just me, or has nobody informed UPS that the weather is back to normal :rolleyes:


    Absolute total snap. Exactly the same as me!! Better arrive tomorrow morning or there'll be hell to pay!

    Funny thing was, I checked the weather in Cologne, clear and bright :rolleyes: Then I looked out the window this morning and it was....:rolleyes:

    I can only assume its the backlog, or, as per UPS' page, they're not delivering mon/tues/wed this week anyway. Dumbasses.

    One of the busiest times of the year for courier company's and they decide to give their drivers 3 days off....


  • #171
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Nice GTX460 offer on Pix at the moment, was looking at the link and noticed that Pix are selling Belkin DVI-D cables for €40 a pop :eek::eek::eek:

    On that note, have any of you out there ever bought an affordable (i.e. <€20) DVI-D cable or are all the DVI users out there still stuck buying DVI-I cables (for about a quarter of the price!) and yanking the analogue pins out of one end? :o


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  • #172
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Never bought one. The only ones I use came free with the monitor.


  • #173
    Shy_Dave!
    Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭Shy_Dave!


    Are DPD delivering tomorrow? Two different messages from OCUK one guy says 'you'll get your order early next week'.
    I reply angrily because they keep giving wrong information or none at all to me and another guy replies 'Was only collected yesterday (7 days after ordering) and should be with you Friday'.
    I don't think DPD are operating on the 31st!
    Of course DPD aren't responding at all. :(


  • #174
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Nice GTX460 offer on Pix at the moment,


    The PNY GTX460 OC?

    Mine arrived yesterday :)


  • #175
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    The PNY GTX460 OC?

    Mine arrived yesterday :)

    Was waiting to see did you get yours too! Mine arrived as well, I just won't be home until the 2nd to tear apart the computer again :D

    Any chance of some benchmarks while I'm waiting? :P


  • #176
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Never bought one. The only ones I use came free with the monitor.

    Who gives free DVI cables with monitors??!?!? I only ever got VGA cabhles :eek::o:(


  • #177
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Who gives free DVI cables with monitors??!?!? I only ever got VGA cabhles :eek::o:(
    I got some with a Samsung a few years back.


  • #178
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    challengemaster wrote: »
    Was waiting to see did you get yours too! Mine arrived as well, I just won't be home until the 2nd to tear apart the computer again :D

    Any chance of some benchmarks while I'm waiting? :P


    Well I've only done 3D Mark 11.

    P3332

    Bare in mind the CPU tests make a huge different in 3D Mark 11, so taking that into consideration, here's my specs:

    AMD Phenom II x3 720BE @3.5Ghz
    4GB DDR II @800
    PNY GTX 460OC @ 810 core, 1620 shaders, and 1025 Mem (4100 effective).

    On Win 7 Ult x64 with 263.14 drivers.

    If I had a faster CPU & Ram, the score would jump a fair bit, plus, there's a LOT more overclocking in this card. Seriously. It doesn't break a sweat at that OC.

    Playing BC2 @ 19x10, everything maxed, 8xCSAA & 16x AF I get roughly 50-60FPS nearly constantly.

    I'll do some more throughout the day, maybe 3D Mark Vantage & Unigine Heaven.

    To keep info out of this thread (as its sort of OT), I've started a new discussion on the card

    PNY GTX 460 OC

    So head on over there for more results!


  • #179
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    OK the 5850 made its way home from tralee and was installed tonight.

    Time to fire up some games to see what sort of a bump I am getting.

    .. also off to adverts with my 7950 GX2 - any suggestions on a reasonable asking price before I post it? - its the Dell OEM version.


  • #180
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    OK the 5850 made its way home from tralee and was installed tonight.

    Time to fire up some games to see what sort of a bump I am getting.

    .. also off to adverts with my 7950 GX2 - any suggestions on a reasonable asking price before I post it? - its the Dell OEM version.

    Probably the 30-40 euro mark


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  • #181
    seraphimvc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    man saw it from our BA thread:
    Corsair XMS3 2 x 2 GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 CL9 Memory Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) € 46,90 64% off the original price

    http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/3708864...r3-1600-p.html


    i remember i bought 2x2gb OCZ ram for the friend back in June at 110euro :O and they were ddr3-1333!!

    i am pretty sure the price will be up again thats why i am so tempted to build myself a budget pc looking at the crazy cheap price of the ram atm!


  • #182
    Pimp Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Pimp Ninja


    cherryghost wrote: »
    Probably the 30-40 euro mark

    You really think so ?
    Ebay has them going for €70 - €160

    Its the double GPU model - not a bog standard 7950


  • #183
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    farna_boy wrote: »
    I haven't been looking at graphics cards a whole lot recently but this seems like really good value:

    PALIT GEFORCE GTX 460 SMART EDITION - 1 GB GDDR5 - €129.90

    Unfortunately it's only to deceive you into thinking it's good value. Steer clear of Shite Edition cards. They're cut down versions.


  • #184
    darconio
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    Monotype wrote: »
    Unfortunately it's only to deceive you into thinking it's good value. Steer clear of Shite Edition cards. They're cut down versions.

    Also with 15 euro more you can get a serious gtx 460

    http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/6389292/art/pny/geforce-gtx-460-oc-1-gb-g.html


  • #185
    dolihalix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭dolihalix


    http://komplett.ie/Komplett/site/daybreaker/cms.aspx

    MSI AMD Radeon R6950 2GB DDR5 PCI-E for 255 quid, seriously cheaper then hwvs ( 284) . I know it's Komplett, but free delivery plus that price, that's ery good. Only 6 on stock. Seriously tempted as I will be building in a week or 2 and was considering 6950 anyway as you can unlock it to 6970..


  • #186
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Pimp Ninja wrote: »
    You really think so ?
    Ebay has them going for €70 - €160

    Its the double GPU model - not a bog standard 7950

    30-40 would be about right i reckon as well, by todays standards they are dreadfully slow. but there's still a healthy market for it as a bit of a collectors piece, a bit like the 8800gtx/ultra, it's got that eternal 'awesome' factor. so someone might pay 60 or so.

    160 is a joke, really, you can buy second hand cards for 50 euro that wallop it in games.

    used to have one myself, back in the glorious days of battlefield 2....


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  • #187
    RoyalMarine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    i sold one last year for around €70 i think.


  • #188
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    30-40 would be about right i reckon as well, by todays standards they are dreadfully slow. but there's still a healthy market for it as a bit of a collectors piece, a bit like the 8800gtx/ultra, it's got that eternal 'awesome' factor. so someone might pay 60 or so.

    160 is a joke, really, you can buy second hand cards for 50 euro that wallop it in games.

    used to have one myself, back in the glorious days of battlefield 2....

    I'd agree, 30-40 tbh - the 8800gtx is only worth around 50 quid anymore (I remember getting it for 550! :( )


  • #189
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    TiNcAn wrote: »
    In my eyes this is an amazing laptop deal.
    http://www.cyberport.de/?DEEP=1C26-88M&APID=14

    It is as good as my i7 desktop!!!!

    I doubt it. Plus shame to have all that power on a 15" screen.


  • #190
    TiNcAn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭TiNcAn


    Wondering If anyone else is astounded at the level of performance that is now obtainable in laptops, in particular http://www.cyberport.de/?DEEP=1C26-88M&APID=14

    If you read the reviews of the graphics card you find that is comparable to a gtx460 in a desktop which is very impressive. It stomps over all other mobile graphics out there atm.

    Then there is the amazing mobile sandy bridge CPU. There is not too many reviews yet on this but on notebookcheck it shows that it is roughly equivalent to a stock i7 920.

    At ~1050 euro that is an amazing price without even considering the 8gb ram, 750gig HD and blu-ray drive! Would have expected something like this to cost at least 2000 easily.

    I am very very tempted to say the least.


  • #191
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Nice specs, but don't forget the German keyboard layout.


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  • #192
    RoyalMarine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    keyboards can easily be changed tho.


  • #193
    Komplett-Tech: Ryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,002 ✭✭✭Komplett-Tech: Ryan


    Awesome price for that laptop. Almost too low, wonder if its a pricing mistake?


  • #194
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    TiNcAn wrote: »
    If you read the reviews of the graphics card you find that is comparable to a gtx460 in a desktop which is very impressive. It stomps over all other mobile graphics out there atm.

    Um... no. That card is equivalent to a desktop GT430, aka GT240 aka 9600GTS.
    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I doubt it. Plus shame to have all that power on a 15" screen.

    Why? Its small and portable (for a power laptop) and you can always hook up an external screen :p
    Komplett-Tech: Ryan wrote: »
    Awesome price for that laptop. Almost too low, wonder if its a pricing mistake?

    Pre-order most likely, and bear in mind its no gaming lappy, GT540 isn't that awesome!


  • #195
    TiNcAn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭TiNcAn


    <Ninja edit>

    Found the graphics card it was relating to.
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-485M.42883.0.html
    I had got it mistaken with one of the 5** series so my apologies.
    The 540m aint terrible for gaming however, it would suffice for most needs.

    The GTX485m on the other hand is an absolute beast that is comparable to a desktop gtx460?
    I am loving these new sandybridge laptops.


  • #196
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Why? Its small and portable (for a power laptop) and you can always hook up an external screen :p

    Isn't that the idea of a laptop?? But for gaming, a 15" screen is useless really, and hooking it up to an external sort fo defeats the purpose!

    Its an ok price, for an ok laptop, with a decent processor. Certainly nothing to write home about though.


  • #197
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Its a non-gaming-oriented desktop replacement. And for gaming laptops its usually a case of smaller = better (read: more practical) anyway. You just hook up a low-res 19" screen at home, on the go you'll have it on your lap so screen size isn't as important (resolution bloat and physical size/weight/power draw are major drawbacks for laptop screens and often outweigh the benefits!). Not everyone is a weight-lifter and you'd need to be one to lug around a 17" lappy! If you carried one around a lot you'd well know that even a 15" model is diabolical! :eek::P


  • #198
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Isn't that the idea of a laptop?? But for gaming, a 15" screen is useless really, and hooking it up to an external sort fo defeats the purpose!

    Its an ok price, for an ok laptop, with a decent processor. Certainly nothing to write home about though.

    Buying a 'gaming laptop' is like buying a hummer. It looks cool, but you keep having to stop every few miles to put in more petrol, it never really does what you expected it would, and you could have easily gotten a proper car that'd do a much better job, for cheaper.


  • #199
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I saw that, and posted on it. And reported him for profiteering.

    Don't go near him. Hardly a bargain alert, selling it for €25 above the retail price.
    Note how i did use the word "haggling". His previous offers was 240 and 250!


  • #200
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Unregistered. wrote: »
    Note how i did use the word "haggling". His previous offers was 240 and 250!

    And he seems unwilling to budge from his overpricing...


  • #201
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    Did you see the last post?
    I saw your ad two days ago, you said you got the processor from Komplett... Now you're saying you bought it from Overclockers and your previous ad is nowhere to be found.
    Strange.
    Snared rapid, so it would seem!


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