God, Reality or Myth

bombidol · 10-04-2002 12:01pm #1

I was talking about this subject with some friends of mine and it seems to me that most people would rather believe in god and think they are going to heaven than look at the situation from a scientific point of view. Personally i find the whole religion thing sickening

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Keeks · 10-04-2002 12:06pm

This topic has been debated to death...have a look on the humanities board for other threads on the subject....theres even a poll there on the subject...somewhere

Ser · 10-04-2002 12:15pm

no such thing, is all made up, god was made up just to keep people in line. think all religion is a waste also, all wars are becoz of it also

bombidol · 10-04-2002 12:23pm

true, i too think a lot of the bad in the world is over religion

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Saruman · 10-04-2002 12:27pm

Not all wars but a vast majority are... Religion is fairly evil i think.. dont get me wrong... believing in a God is not wrong... but RELIGION is... it nothing more than a large group of people belonging to some order that has certain rules etc .. instead of simply being about a personal belief in whatever God you believe in!

I mean look how many different Christian religions there are, they all believe in the same God and they are almost identical in every way EXCEPT where the makeup of the church goes.. the differences lie in the rules of the Church itself and not in what the congregation believes usually! its politics at the end of the day... thats what Religion is! Church Law is the problem.. not the belief in a divinity of some kind.. thats harmless until you become fanatical about it.

any comments?

Keeks · 10-04-2002 12:30pm

ppl cause wars...not religion. It is the application and interperation of religion that leads to wars. Most religious wars start, like in a playground argument, which "My religion is better than yours"...it not religions fault. It ppl

You're looking for scapegoats when you should look in a mirror!

Saruman · 10-04-2002 12:34pm

Of course its people Keeks... but Religion is still the starting point!! It is what enrages people to that point in the first place.. A lot of people in the world are weak and need guidence and when they find that in a religion they will defend that to the point of insanity sometimes!

Keeks · 10-04-2002 12:53pm

Religion is a starting point. But most "Holy Wars" are done for greed and power rather than for pure religion reasons. Wars are caused by social cirumstances, and religion is used as an excuse.

Also in poorly educated aeras, like the middle east, religious leaders are seen to be "infalibale" and have power. If they deem something to be true, the ingnorant masses are either too stupid to realise or are too afraid to say so.

Saruman · 10-04-2002 1:19pm

hmm apparently the pope is infallible... in his later years it would be interesting to see what would happen if he told everyone to declare war on some other religion... would everyone do it? Or would the church say "eh sorry his mind is going" which then begs the question how can he be infallible?

sorry not quite on topic but relevant all the same..

Keeks · 10-04-2002 1:33pm

No one said he was 'infalible'. I was refering to poorer regions where the relgious leader was usually the leader of the local community. If you look at our history you will see that this was the case here aswell.

But take a look at what this pope has done compare to previous popes. He brought a peaceful end to communism in his home country, when he could had condorned there previous militant stratagies. He has advocated peace at every chance. This is the way a church leader should be. He has embraced other religions, such as russian and greek orthodox churches.

The question you have to ask yourself is why? Why has he done all this and no other pope has?

btw...i ain't religious.

Khynareth · 10-04-2002 2:20pm

As for God, I don't know, and I don't really care. If I was to believe in something, the Buddhist vision of the world is the one that satisfies me most.

God might exist, I don't know. What I know is what man has done of the concept of God (i.e Religions) is b***s**t. The idea/concept of God is not bad in itself, what it is/has been/will be used for is crap.

If I were to believe in one God, I'd chose the God of Hangovers (cf. Terry Pratchet!)

Fat Sunny · 10-04-2002 11:00pm

Religion is like tobacco. If newly introdused today it would be rejected without a second thought.

Keeks · 10-04-2002 11:04pm

When discussing religion ppl forget the most important thing about it. It has created us. Otherwise we would be no different than any other mammal on the planet. It created something that shapes our lives today.

It gave us morals.!

Monkey · 10-04-2002 11:28pm

It can not be proven one way or the other, A god may exist which would be nice, or the notion of a god may just have been fabricated by people because of a fear of death and the inability to explain certain things

I am an agnostic. I hope there is a god and a heaven because it is a reassuring thought.

chernobyl · 10-04-2002 11:58pm

"Adam and Eve: a fly on the wall story"

We pick up this epic story when both creatures have become sexually mature enough to procreate with each other.

Adam and Eve have noticed changes in each other over the past year or 2, the fact that they are both bollock nekkid only exaggerates these new feelingf for each other.

Adam likes Eve, Eve likes Adam.
They have shared many many "non-forbidden" apples with each other and now notice physical reactions in each others presence.

[problem1:how do Adam and Eve learn about sex?]

On Adams many hunts in the forrest he has been privileged to observing very strange animal behaviour...Adam coins a new phrase for the ritual "oohh ohhh ohhh..ahhhhhhh"...Adam notices key similarities between his body and the animals and decides Eve willing or not shall test this out with him....long intresting story made very short...they mate, they like it but now we encounter:

[problem2:if Adam and Eve have several children, both male and female, the only way to keep re-producing is for these children to inbreed]

inbreeding often leads to the inbred child lacking key genes that would otherwise be present in a normal child.
If this practice was to be continued the human race would eventually be dead or severly fuked.

Evolution is real, Mr G.O.D. is not.

Stephen · 11-04-2002 12:28am

My opinion:

Religion = Bollocks.

Dustaz · 11-04-2002 12:48am

NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

This is what we have the humanities board for!

AH is clearly for Cosmopolitan readers and threads with half naked birds.

Mossy Monk · 11-04-2002 1:09am

God is only there to keep people from misbehaving which obviously doesn't work on a lot of souls. i will not believe there is a God until the day i die and i am being judged by a giant with a beard on a cloud. if God existed why is AIDS about and wars and all that. it is a load of bollox IMO

wiredtothemoon · 11-04-2002 1:44am

hmmmm, you should all be more careful, it's not wise to show such disrespect to god

Yurmasyurda · 11-04-2002 2:34am

Well it's a nice thought except from the extremist point of view, "oh I'll just blow myself up and go to heaven and become rich and get 50 zillion wives" emm no!!!!!!!!! I am fairly laid back, I don't really care but I am scared of dying, the thought is very comforting and maybe that's why it came about.

Giblet · 11-04-2002 12:43pm

Theres going too far and theres going too far, but this is GOING TOO FAR http://www.thetruthforyouth.com they attack everything.
Read the evolution one especially. The earth is only 10,000 years old apparently! And Adam and eve DID exist according to it.

cournioni · 11-04-2002 10:12pm

Adam and Eve = Bull****. The reason why I think it is bull**** is because there are more races in the world than just two people. And if it is true were all alive because of some inbred hicks.

However, I do believe we were put here for a reason. I mean... someone had to make this piece of **** planet. Could be nature, it could be anything. It is all unknown to us. We'll just have to see what happens when we die.

If there is a god... well, I'd say I'll be going to hell.

Meh · 11-04-2002 10:30pm

Originally posted by Giblet
Theres going too far and theres going too far, but this is GOING TOO FAR http://www.thetruthforyouth.com they attack everything.
Read the evolution one especially. The earth is only 10,000 years old apparently! And Adam and eve DID exist according to it.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp is even funnier. Why Catholics aren't Christians, why Muslims worship the moon god and why playing Dungeons and Dragons will send you to hell.

Johnny_the_fox · 11-04-2002 11:02pm

God Knows......

I do believe ( <-I sound like one of those Mental Believers "i do believe that god ....blah blah" ) but
Sometimes I wonder with all the crap that happens in the world........

Dave · 11-04-2002 11:11pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Adam and Eve = Bull****. The reason why I think it is bull**** is because there are more races in the world than just two people. And if it is true were all alive because of some inbred hicks.

Evolution.

However, I do believe we were put here for a reason. I mean... someone had to make this piece of **** planet. Could be nature, it could be anything.

The big bang.

I don't really believe in a god. I think the buddhists have very valid views. They believe in living your life for now not for what will happen after you die. They believe in the sanctity of human life and the like.

As some chap said "Religion is the opiate of the people"

Manach · 11-04-2002 11:19pm

A minority view on this thread, but I am a believer in God.
Also from my rather paraphrased reading of Von Clustwitz, wars are started because one side is strong enough to take what they wish from a weaker power, and choose whatever is the current dominent belief system to cover with a cloak of repectability their deeds.
Finally, AH this is the Buffy images thread, Humanites is where the dour subjects.

Monty - the one and only · 12-04-2002 2:49am

whats this doing here?

Moved.

Biffa Bacon · 12-04-2002 11:14am

A belief that there is no God is pure superstition. For the most part, organised religions make the world a better place as they ensure people behave morally. Religious wars etc. are usually a departure from most moral codes.

TwoShedsJackson · 12-04-2002 12:55pm

As usual Biffa, you're taking $hite. How can not believing in God be a superstition? Surely having an imaginary friend who's going to make it all better for you in the next life is the superstitious outlook?

Yes organised religion makes people behave morally. If by moral you mean crashing airliners into skyscrapers, blowing each other up in Palestine over what it says in the Bible, and buggering young children who are placed in your care - amongst thousands of other transgressions.

'Religious wars are usually a departure from most moral codes' - tell that to the victims of the Crusades, the intifadas, the Holocaust.

Biffa Bacon · 12-04-2002 1:07pm

How can not believing in God be a superstition?

What evidence would you expect to find if there was a God? You wouldn't expect to find any surely. Therefore you cannot dismiss the existence of God on the basis that there is no evidence to support this. Similarly, you cannot say that there is no evidence that God does not exist and thus he must exist. Therefore to believe one way or the other, that he does or doesn't exist, is just as superstitious as the other. The only way to avoid this is to say that you are agnostic.

Yes organised religion makes people behave morally. If by moral you mean crashing airliners into skyscrapers, blowing each other up in Palestine over what it says in the Bible, and buggering young children who are placed in your care - amongst thousands of other transgressions.

These are all inspired by human or political motives, not by their respective religions.

'Religious wars are usually a departure from most moral codes' - tell that to the victims of the Crusades, the intifadas, the Holocaust.

What's your point?

As usual Biffa, you're taking $hite.

As usual I win another argument. What's it now, 20-nil to me?

CodeMonkey · 12-04-2002 1:27pm

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon

What evidence would you expect to find if there was a God? You wouldn't expect to find any surely. Therefore you cannot dismiss the existence of God on the basis that there is no evidence to support this. Similarly, you cannot say that there is no evidence that God does not exist and thus he must exist. Therefore to believe one way or the other, that he does or doesn't exist, is just as superstitious as the other. The only way to avoid this is to say that you are agnostic.

OMG, castortroy is right, you are talking pure ****e. Do you even know what constitutes a superstition? What's irrational about not believing in something because there's no evidence of it?

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