Irish Rail Mk3's, your photos

demanufactured · 16-01-2013 10:27am

dowlingm wrote: »

Have always thought the Mark 3 locations set up for destruction by corrosion. That said, is there anywhere inland was there space to store a decent number of carriages? Limerick Junction maybe? Mallow?

Hammond lane.

end of the road · 16-01-2013 3:41pm

dowlingm wrote: »

Have always thought the Mark 3 locations set up for destruction by corrosion.

well you would be right, IE thought that by getting shiny new trains that all their problems would be solved without doing enough to improve speeds on all lines, now that their waking up to the fact they need to improve speeds its to late as the money isn't there.

dowlingm wrote: »

is there anywhere inland was there space to store a decent number of carriages? Limerick Junction maybe? Mallow?

i'm sure if they really wanted to keep them they would find a place.

LeftBlank · 16-01-2013 8:20pm

Karsini wrote: »

Yes, they were in the old Guinness yard.

There are still some in Inchicore.

Jamie2k9 · 16-01-2013 8:57pm

IRN reports Waterford sets to be cut up next week.

16-01-2013 9:00pm

LeftBlank wrote: »

There are still some in Inchicore.

Indeed there are. One of the push-pull DVTs is there.

This list was posted on IRN a while back. Obviously anything listed as being in Heuston is now in North Wall.

Inchicore: 6101, 6307, 7125, 7133, 7136, 7138, 7139, 7145, 7151, 7161, 7162, 7164, 7409, 7609, 7610.

Heuston: 6105, 6402, 7106, 7114, 7116, 7122, 7123, 7130, 7137, 7142, 7147, 7158, 7166, 7169, 7406, 7412, 7413.

Dundalk: 6301, 6305, 6306, 6308, 6313, 7101, 7131, 7141, 7153, 7154, 7156, 7159, 7170, 7401, 7601, 7612.

Waterford: 7108, 7110, 7117, 7124, 7126, 7127, 7152, 7155, 7165, 7167, 7403, 7606, 7607, 7611.

North Wall: 7102, 7103, 7104, 7109, 7113, 7115, 7120, 7121, 7128, 7129, 7132, 7140, 7143, 7144, 7146, 7149, 7150, 7157, 7160, 7163, 7168, 7171, 7172, 7404, 7407, 7408, 7411, 7602, 7603, 7614, 7615.

The following have been scrapped: 6102, 6103, 6104, 6302, 6303, 6304, 6309, 6310, 6311, 6312, 6314, 6315, 6316, 6317, 6318, 6319, 7105, 7107, 7111, 7112, 7118, 7119, 7134, 7135, 7148, 7402, 7405, 7410 (total scrapped: 28).

Note: 7111 was scrapped in 1997, after being destroyed by fire at Inchicore Works in 1997.

Captain Chaos · 16-01-2013 9:43pm

So looking at that list there are 2 Mk3 DVTs left intact and 6 PP standards out of the 19 built. So there is still stock to make up 2 pushpull Mk3 sets of 4 coaches each if they could be saved.

I take it all the 62xx series Mk3As were scrapped and there are no survivors of the international set. I only found out the other day that the Internationals were PP compatible.

16-01-2013 9:45pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

So looking at that list there are 2 Mk3 DVTs left intact and 6 PP standards out of the 19 built. So there is still stock to make up 2 pushpull Mk3 sets of 4 coaches each if they could be saved.

I take it all the 62xx series Mk3As were scrapped and there are no survivors of the international set. I only found out the other day that the Internationals were PP compatible.

Yep, they were push-pull compatible but it was never used. All of the 62xx coaches were sold, scrapped or blown up!

One of the coaches sat abandoned in Inchicore because they had intended to convert it to a DVT but it never happened. They just seemed to use it for livery tests - one side had the orange/black livery with a bit of the Enterprise livery. The other side still had the original BREL InterCity livery.

16-01-2013 10:17pm

Since it's the Mark 3 photo thread I should post some more:

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This is the coach I mentioned in my last post. It was quite hard to get a shot of the far side, would have liked to get a better one.

Captain Chaos · 16-01-2013 10:24pm

Your first photo looks like a very bad photoshop with the condition that Mk3 is in. A lick of paint will blend those 4 sections in together though.:D I've never seen a Mk3 with the underframe compartments removed before. It relates more closely with a Mk2F in that state.

16-01-2013 10:43pm

Here's a photo of it in better days. From http://www.traintesting.com/International_train.htm

It was 99520 in its BR days.

end of the road · 16-01-2013 10:44pm

Karsini wrote: »

All of the 62xx coaches were sold, scrapped or blown up!

blown up? jesus, didn't think irish rail were into blowing up carriges (sorry i just had to) reading the wikipedia page on the NIR class 80s it mentioned for a couple of them that "northern ireland railways destroyed this vehicle by fire" i take it that meant gass torch? (bit off topic i know but may as well get that question out of the way while discussing blowing up carriges)

16-01-2013 10:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

blown up? jesus, didn't think irish rail were into blowing up carriges (sorry i just had to) reading the wikipedia page on the NIR class 80s it mentioned for a couple of them that "northern ireland railways destroyed this vehicle by fire" i take it that meant gass torch? (bit off topic i know but may as well get that question out of the way while discussing blowing up carriges)

6204, 6206 and 6207 were sent to an RAF base in Cumbria and destroyed by explosives. It's actually mentioned in the link I just posted. I also have another photo of 6202 with all its windows smashed, as it was used for fire emergency training.

cbl593h · 17-01-2013 6:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

blown up? jesus, didn't think irish rail were into blowing up carriges (sorry i just had to) reading the wikipedia page on the NIR class 80s it mentioned for a couple of them that "northern ireland railways destroyed this vehicle by fire" i take it that meant gass torch? (bit off topic i know but may as well get that question out of the way while discussing blowing up carriges)

The carriages came out in sympathy with B201........

csd · 17-01-2013 9:25pm

Here's two from the IRRS tour in April 2010.

Untitled by csd75, on Flickr

Captain Chaos · 18-01-2013 12:14am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

IRN reports Waterford sets to be cut up next week.

That won't be happening. The tenders for scrapping are not due back till the end of January according to Irish Rail reportedly from the latest IRN posts.

So a few more weeks to get photos of them before they are gone.

18-01-2013 12:22am

csd wrote: »

Here's two from the IRRS tour in April 2010.

In those photos they really don't look like coaches that were on their very last run.

24-01-2013 10:26pm

Does anyone have a photo of the interior of Executive coach 7161? I believe it has a bar inside.

Itssoeasy · 11-02-2013 8:00pm

Karsini wrote: »

In those photos they really don't look like coaches that were on their very last run.

That's what gets me though. I'd understand if they were on their last legs and were being held together with string and tape but they weren't in my experience of them. I mean would it not have made sense for IR to overhaul them if need be and repaint them in the new intercity livery and sort out a few of the 201s that aren't being used and not buy as many of the 22000s as they did and use that money to do what I've outlined above ?

Would it not mean more flexibility on the cork Dublin line and also on the enterprise if there was more capacity ?A loco failure wouldn't mean delays waiting for another one to arrive from whereever it is ?

Stevie1987 · 13-03-2013 7:31pm

Hi guys,

Just a quick one for you are the MK3's at North Wall still around or have they been scrapped yet?

I did see a number of MK3's in a fairly poor state on my way to Belfast just before the New Year. I was going up on the Enterprise for the RPSI mince pie special and I have to say I did enjoy every bit of the journey on the way up on the Enterprise. It’s the closest thing to travelling on an MK3 for me.

I'm actually on my way to Killarney this weekend and I have to say for the first time I'm actually not looking forward to the train journey (Not a fan or the MK4s, incorrect name I know in that they have no connection to the past MK3's). I'd wonder what the drivers of the DMU's think about the shift from loco hauled trains to an entire network of railcars (or close enough to it excluding the Dublin to Belfast & Dublin to Cork line)

I think for me my love for railways in Ireland has finally died (Except for the RPSI & Irish Traction group as well as other heritage societies, I do admire the work they do). Most joy of seeing trains on the Irish network comes now from Archive photos, videos or books. People can accuse me of being overly nostalgic but I don't think that’s the case. I visited Florence during last summer; on the Eurostar (Which is fantastic) they actually play videos of their past rolling stock and their progression as a company. Also everything works! Trains run on time and they get you to your destination quickly!

Maybe one day I can get an affordable train in Ireland from Dublin to Cork or Kerry, it will be comfortable and the food will be delicious! Oh I think a pig just flew past the window!! :-)

LoonyLovegood · 13-03-2013 10:55pm

I was on a bus to Dublin Airport that passed North Wall, from what I could tell the MK3s were still in situ.

Stevie1987 · 13-03-2013 10:59pm

CTYIgirl wrote: »

I was on a bus to Dublin Airport that passed North Wall, from what I could tell the MK3s were still in situ.

Humm I might have to venture down again and see if I can photograph them once more before they are scrapped

Jamie2k9 · 13-04-2013 6:26pm

Saw this link posted on IE facebook page and it has lots of video's from the past.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Twinkster79/videos?flow=grid&view=0

Stevie1987 · 08-06-2013 4:21pm

I have some new photographs of the MK3's which I took today (08/06/2013) this time in Digital rather than film, these include some interior shots of the Generator Vans and standard coaches. Will post some new photographs in the next few days.

Stevie1987 · 10-06-2013 12:23pm

Here is the first eight edited images I took on the 8th June 2013, I still have over four hundred RAW files to look at as well as the RPSI Mystery Train from the 9th. These are all exterior shots, I do have interior shots of the coaches (Which are literally falling apart inside) including the restaurant car and the generator vans. The coaches are in such a poor state now the chassis have begun to break apart. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenemeraldphotography/sets/72157634044766682/

dowlingm · 10-06-2013 2:03pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That's what gets me though. I'd understand if they were on their last legs and were being held together with string and tape but they weren't in my experience of them. I mean would it not have made sense for IR to overhaul them if need be and repaint them in the new intercity livery and sort out a few of the 201s that aren't being used and not buy as many of the 22000s as they did and use that money to do what I've outlined above ?

Would it not mean more flexibility on the cork Dublin line and also on the enterprise if there was more capacity ?A loco failure wouldn't mean delays waiting for another one to arrive from whereever it is ?

There were a laundry list of caveats about the Mk3s - no retention tanks on the toilets, less accessible, needed the EGV, needed the loco to run around at terminus, no in seat power at all. Also, the Heuston facility they were serviced in was given over to Rotem for 22000 post-delivery fixes. IE don't do public accountability so we have no idea what the business case was for either of the 22000 class orders beyond a suspected preference by Dick Fearn for DMU operation. Politically it wouldn't have helped that the capacity for major refit works of the scale of refurbishing the Mark 3 fleet to "Mark 4 with better ride quality" is now absent from Inchicore whereas in the UK there would be a higher expectation that rail spend would have a domestic component.

Jamie2k9 · 10-06-2013 2:32pm

dowlingm wrote: »

There were a laundry list of caveats about the Mk3s - no retention tanks on the toilets, less accessible, needed the EGV, needed the loco to run around at terminus, no in seat power at all. Also, the Heuston facility they were serviced in was given over to Rotem for 22000 post-delivery fixes. IE don't do public accountability so we have no idea what the business case was for either of the 22000 class orders beyond a suspected preference by Dick Fearn for DMU operation. Politically it wouldn't have helped that the capacity for major refit works of the scale of refurbishing the Mark 3 fleet to "Mark 4 with better ride quality" is now absent from Inchicore whereas in the UK there would be a higher expectation that rail spend would have a domestic component.

Almost sure the Mark'3 have power points where the Mark4's do.

Cookie_Monster · 10-06-2013 10:53pm

Stevie1987 wrote: »

Here is the first eight edited images I took on the 8th June 2013, I still have over four hundred RAW files to look at as well as the RPSI Mystery Train from the 9th. These are all exterior shots, I do have interior shots of the coaches (Which are literally falling apart inside) including the restaurant car and the generator vans. The coaches are in such a poor state now the chassis have begun to break apart. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenemeraldphotography/sets/72157634044766682/

hmmm... closed account and closed flickr already. I guess someone in Irish Rail didn't like that...

Jamie2k9 · 11-06-2013 12:28am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hmmm... closed account and closed flickr already. I guess someone in Irish Rail didn't like that...

or somebody who doesn't like Irish Rail and spoiled it and the OP removed the pictures because of it.....

Rud · 11-06-2013 3:54am

I never seen the photos before they were taken down.How bad are the MK3s at the moment inside?I'd imagine they are a disaster

GBOA · 11-06-2013 9:03am

Rud wrote: »

I never seen the photos before they were taken down.How bad are the MK3s at the moment inside?I'd imagine they are a disaster

Externally, they still don't look too bad. Internally, they're a mess. Scangers have been in shooting up in most of the carriages so not only are used needles lying about, but all the detritus associated with it.

foggy_lad · 11-06-2013 12:55pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

or somebody who doesn't like Irish Rail and spoiled it and the OP removed the pictures because of it.....

If photos were taken on private property without permission then Irish Rail have every right to ask that they be removed from any site.

Jamie2k9 · 11-06-2013 1:31pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If photos were taken on private property without permission then Irish Rail have every right to ask that they be removed from any site.

Not everybody is perfect like you who wouldn't do anything that breaches the law, they were a few pictures that were removed due what people are commonly know as a "rat" who told IE about the pictures, I expect IE didn't ask nor do they care about the photo's but the OP decided it was best all round to take them down in case anything does arise out of it which is why many people didn't get to see them.

foggy_lad · 11-06-2013 4:38pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Not everybody is perfect like you who wouldn't do anything that breaches the law, they were a few pictures that were removed due what people are commonly know as a "rat" who told IE about the pictures, I expect IE didn't ask nor do they care about the photo's but the OP decided it was best all round to take them down in case anything does arise out of it which is why many people didn't get to see them.

Is it not more likely that IE ordered the sites hosting the images to remove them because they were obtained without their permission?

Why would someone who highlights something that may be not just dangerous but is most likely illegal be called a "rat"?

monument · 11-06-2013 4:56pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If photos were taken on private property without permission then Irish Rail have every right to ask that they be removed from any site.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Is it not more likely that IE ordered the sites hosting the images to remove them because they were obtained without their permission?

Why would someone who highlights something that may be not just dangerous but is most likely illegal be called a "rat"?

Just to be clear: He now has a permanent ban from here and C&T.

For a number of reasons including not following a mod instruction and accusing somebody of breaking the law with nothing to back that up after being told to drop the issue by PM. This ban is in the context of his disruptive posting record.

Do not respond to this post or his above posts.

Hilly Bill · 12-06-2013 9:38pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If photos were taken on private property without permission then Irish Rail have every right to ask that they be removed from any site.

The chap could argue that he got permission from the security guy.

Hilly Bill · 12-06-2013 9:43pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Is it not more likely that IE ordered the sites hosting the images to remove them because they were obtained without their permission?

Why would someone who highlights something that may be not just dangerous but is most likely illegal be called a "rat"?

To be honest, i doubt if Irish Rail went down that road and i cant see the need for someone to report any pictures that they find on the net to Irish Rail .

LivelineDipso · 12-06-2013 10:13pm

monument wrote: »

Just to be clear: He now has a permanent ban from here and C&T.

For a number of reasons including not following a mod instruction and accusing somebody of breaking the law with nothing to back that up after being told to drop the issue by PM. This ban is in the context of his disruptive posting record.

Do not respond to this post or his above posts.

Harsh if you ask me.

monument · 13-06-2013 1:50pm

:rolleyes:

Irish Rail Mk3's, your photos

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