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P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

  • 13-07-2008 9:47pm
    #1
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Follwoing on from this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055132322

    I thought it was time to unstick the above thread and create a new thread to allow people to discuss use and configuration of bittorrent and other P2P programs on their Broadband connection it doesn't matter if its wireless, adsl or cable.

    Remember to keep within the Broadband forum charter when it comes to discussing torrent sources (for example legal content only)
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  • #2
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    Nice idea. Torrents working fine on o2


  • #3
    Cow Moolester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Cow Moolester


    Not on UPC :( Getting download speed of 9kb on Limewire even after I opened the ports


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I assume it is legal content you are getting from limewire?
    using such an unsecure protocal for anything sensitive would be extremely ill advised.
    Google bittorrent and use it instead.


  • #5
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    rapidshare > bittorents :D


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nuxxx wrote: »
    rapidshare > bittorents :D

    Yip, if you are a n00b and want to pay it sure is!But if you know how to use the bt protocal properly and have access to private sites then happy days!
    1.4 Mb/s every time on 12mb ntl


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  • #7
    radiospan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭radiospan


    Torrents okay on Chorus for me. Maxing out 6MB connection.


  • #8
    thebromeliad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭thebromeliad


    david7536 wrote: »
    Yip, if you are a n00b and want to pay it sure is!But if you know how to use the bt protocal properly and have access to private sites then happy days!
    1.4 Mb/s every time on 12mb ntl

    Still not as fast cos you're depending on other people's upload speeds.


  • #9
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    thebromeliad wrote: »
    Still not as fast cos you're depending on other people's upload speeds.

    You'll find that on private sites many people have their own dedicated servers.

    So instead of using their cable or dsl connection they'll be 10Mbps, 100Mbps or 1000Mbps Uplinks....very easy max out your line with bittorrent on a private site.


  • #10
    thebromeliad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭thebromeliad


    Cabaal wrote: »
    You'll find that on private sites many people have their own dedicated servers.

    So instead of using their cable or dsl connection they'll be 10Mbps, 100Mbps or 1000Mbps Uplinks....very easy max out your line with bittorrent on a private site.
    I have access to torrentleech but I find rapidshare quicker. Buffering torrents does not compensate for not having the infrastructure of a major company like Rapidshare.


  • #11
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    thebromeliad wrote: »
    I have access to torrentleech but I find rapidshare quicker. Buffering torrents does not compensate for not having the infrastructure of a major company like Rapidshare.

    Its only a matter of time before Rapidshare is killed off, at the end of the day are they not physically hosting files and accepting money from people to provide these services.

    Seems rather suspect and I don't think it'll be long before the MPAA come knocking


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  • #12
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Its only a matter of time before Rapidshare is killed off, at the end of the day are they not physically hosting files and accepting money from people to provide these services.

    Seems rather suspect and I don't think it'll be long before the MPAA come knocking
    RS.com will last for another 2 years at least. After that, I'll be going back to FTP's, and a few private torrent sites. The only problem with private torrent sites is getting into one that isn't looking for members. I've found those that look for members are usually stalek, and trying to get seeders in, but the site dies soon afterwards :(

    Rapidshare is good for speed, and if you know how to use the search function, you'll find what you're looking for. Getting a film in 40 minutes from RS, whilst 3 people are bitching about their torrent speeds on IRC is always fun.


  • #13
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    plazzTT wrote: »
    Torrents okay on Chorus for me. Maxing out 6MB connection.

    Thats good best speed i can theoretically get is 236.8k :'(


  • #14
    thebromeliad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭thebromeliad


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Its only a matter of time before Rapidshare is killed off, at the end of the day are they not physically hosting files
    What do you mean? They are hosting files.

    Cabaal wrote: »
    and accepting money from people to provide these services.
    Seems rather suspect and I don't think it'll be long before the MPAA come knocking

    Rapidshare does not break any rules. Content providers such as Rapidshare must be provided with a take-down notice if copywrited content is uploaded by users. This is enshrined in national and international copyright law.


  • #15
    kaimera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,396 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    utorrent on BT LLU 8meg is fine in Dun Laoghaire


  • #16
    Gegerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 899 ✭✭✭Gegerty


    Anyone one else on BT inable to access piratebay? I've been getting "connection refused" for about 3 or 4 days now :mad:


  • #17
    corkstudent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭corkstudent


    How do I configure uTorrent for 3?


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    thebromeliad wrote: »
    I have access to torrentleech but I find rapidshare quicker. Buffering torrents does not compensate for not having the infrastructure of a major company like Rapidshare.

    Buffering torrents?Can you explain, im not sure ive ever come across the bittorrent protocol having to buffer...Dont see how you can say rs is quicker than tl (or similiar sites: Sct, Ftn, Scc)...I have used a gigabit server and often get 40-50 MB/s down from tl and more on ftn, is rs really that fast?!

    In the near future it will not be the Mpaa or similiar bodies that block user activity. It will be the isps that are charged with terminating offending accounts. The protocal that obfuscates data traffic most efficiently (and ip address cloaking will help aswell! (testing under way!) ) will be the one that lasts longest.


  • #19
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    thebromeliad wrote: »
    What do you mean? They are hosting files.

    Ok,
    With bittorrent a tracker merely hosts a .torrent file that allows users to find the actual file that they want to download, it allows them to just connect to other users downloading/uploading or seeding the file in question.
    As such a bittorrent tracker does not physically host any file.

    with Rapidshare from my review of it it physically hosts the file, so if thats a movie, tv show or bit of software thats copyright then Rapidshare are allowing this copyright material to be shared and stored on its servers.

    While I'm sure they remove stuff once they have received a takedown notice this does not negate the fact that their are still likely hosting other files that are copyright and given enough time the likes of the MPAA n Co will go after t and they'll have an easier job killing it off then Napster, Supernova or anything of the rest.

    If you'd like to backup your claims that them hosting copyright material is not illegal then please provide the relevant references in german and international law (RS appears to be a German company)


  • #20
    corkstudent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭corkstudent


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Ok,
    With bittorrent a tracker merely hosts a .torrent file that allows users to find the actual file that they want to download, it allows them to just connect to other users downloading/uploading or seeding the file in question.
    As such a bittorrent tracker does not physically host any file.

    with Rapidshare from my review of it it physically hosts the file, so if thats a movie, tv show or bit of software thats copyright then Rapidshare are allowing this copyright material to be shared and stored on its servers.

    While I'm sure they remove stuff once they have received a takedown notice this does not negate the fact that their are still likely hosting other files that are copyright and given enough time the likes of the MPAA n Co will go after t and they'll have an easier job killing it off then Napster, Supernova or anything of the rest.

    If you'd like to backup your claims that them hosting copyright material is not illegal then please provide the relevant references in german and international law (RS appears to be a German company)

    It's only really in the US that they'll do much about it. The MPAA are soulless, pure evil devils who should be locked up for badgering old grannies.


  • #21
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    Anybody use Peer Guardian 2?
    I find it great


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  • #22
    kaimera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,396 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    barnicles wrote: »
    Anybody use Peer Guardian 2?
    I find it great
    No support for Vista x86 or x64. :(


  • #23
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    corkstudent wrote: »
    How do I configure uTorrent for 3?
    Whats wrong? Can u not get it working?


  • #24
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    corkstudent wrote: »
    It's only really in the US that they'll do much about it. The MPAA are soulless, pure evil devils who should be locked up for badgering old grannies.

    true, but the US is very good at getting companys outside the US shutdown :)


  • #25
    MFZ
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MFZ


    Cabaal wrote: »
    (RS appears to be a German company)

    It is swiss: http://rapidshare.com/imprint.html


  • #26
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    MFZ wrote: »
    It is swiss: http://rapidshare.com/imprint.html

    so it is, could have swore it said German on wikipedia, either way illegal content is still the issue


  • #27
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Follwoing on from this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055132322

    I thought it was time to unstick the above thread and create a new thread to allow people to discuss use and configuration of bittorrent and other P2P programs on their Broadband connection it doesn't matter if its wireless, adsl or cable.

    Remember to keep within the Broadband forum charter when it comes to discussing torrent sources (for example legal content only)

    An idea to merge the two?


  • #28
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    barnicles wrote: »
    An idea to merge the two?

    There's alot of information in it thats conflicting and/or wrong and to be honest its an old enough thread, the thread is there if people want to read it.

    Additionally the other thread was created to cover NTL/UPC and this thread has been created to cover all ISP's

    As such merging it wouldn't make sense.


  • #29
    corkstudent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭corkstudent


    barnicles wrote: »
    Whats wrong? Can u not get it working?

    I get terrible speeds compared to direct download and some torrents with hundreds of seeds end up not picking up at all.

    I need to do port forwarding, etc.


  • #30
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Am on UTV internet and can max out my downlad speeds on torrents so I don't think do any traffic shaping*

    *if you are on the unlimited usage cap they do say that heavy users (ie: p2p)might be put on 'heavy-user specific' servers during peak usage times (6 pm to 10 pm on weekdays I think), but I have never noticed any drop in speeds during peak time.


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  • #31
    itisyeah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭itisyeah


    corkstudent wrote: »
    How do I configure uTorrent for 3?

    I have 3 broadband with quite good connection speeds, I'm based in Cork also but UTorrent shows a yellow Exclamation mark and advises I am firewalled even though I have the firewall down on the connection.

    Let me know if you hear anything about configuring the speeds.
    If I change my speed settings the download speed momentarily jumps up to > 150 KB/s but then pummets back down again, I imagine 3 are throttling the limits.


  • #32
    Bardic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭Bardic


    I'm wondering if somebody would be able to help me out. I'm having right trouble trying to get torrenting working (wouldn't mind so much only it's not even anything copyrighted or illegal I'm trying to get!)

    I'm on Eircom with a Netopia wireless router. Running Vista. I've downloaded uTorrent, Bittorrent, and Ares, and none of them are getting upload or download speeds higher than about 4.5kB. uTorrent is the fastest, but that's not saying much. I've tested out torrenting files from dedicated servers, and the download speed still seems to max out at about 7kB.

    Trying to find solutions on the net led me to portforward.com. I follwed all their instructions to the letter - set up a static IP, forwarded the port. I've tried turning off all firewalls. I've ticked the box for, forced encrpytion. None of it makes any difference, and uTorrent still reckons that the port is closed.

    Seriously, what am I doing wrong here?


  • #33
    strangeloop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭strangeloop


    same with me, netopia router and eicom connection. used to work great but not anymore. Have the right ports open on the router, assigned static ip, maximum of 20kb download speed. Any other eircom customers experiencing this??


  • #34
    Kenmare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Kenmare


    Ive got intimate access to just about every private torrent site worth having XD

    but nothing beats rapidshare.

    ^_^


    just my opinion :)


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kenmare wrote: »
    Ive got intimate access to just about every private torrent site worth having XD

    but nothing beats rapidshare.

    ^_^


    just my opinion :)

    Kenmare, not to call you out or anything but shortname list of sites then please!


  • #36
    dade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    Bardic wrote: »

    Seriously, what am I doing wrong here?
    strangeloop wrote: »
    same with me, netopia router and eicom connection.

    i know when i started using eircom i had issues using uTorrent. seems the default firewall setting was set too high on the netopia router. i kept getting an Orange icon on utorrant instead of the green one for the connection. tried all the port forwarding stuff and no joy so i lowered the firewall setting a notch and it worked out just fine.


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  • #37
    DirksDiggler
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭DirksDiggler


    Could somebody please tell me what the optimum speed settings for uTorrent should be for a recently upgraded Esat BT user (3mb > 7.6mb)

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    (My stats are a little better than the above suggests. According to the download manager, Flasghet, I am downloading at an average of 760kbps and my ftp clients upload at a constant 60kbps)

    Since the upgrade its been slow as hell (download speeds maxing at 25kbps)

    Thank you.


  • #38
    DisasterIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭DisasterIRL


    I am on XP, with a NTL 6mb Connection using uTorrent, still only getting 80kb/s max.

    I have forwarded my ports, static IP and enabled encryption.
    That could be a different issue than traffic shaping.
    Try applying the patch from this site http://www.lvllord.de/ if you're on windows xp.
    (Found on original thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055132322&page=25)

    Is this a valid solution and trusted before I install.


  • #39
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭Simi


    DisasterIRL wrote: »
    I am on XP, with a NTL 6mb Connection using uTorrent, still only getting 80kb/s max.

    I have forwarded my ports, static IP and enabled encryption.


    (Found on original thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055132322&page=25)

    Is this a valid solution and trusted before I install.

    There's no harm installing the patch it may speed things up a little. As for UPC tbh I can't tell if they shape traffic or not. Torrent speeds vary wildly.

    Some nights I can get 800kb/s on my 10mb package. Other times it slows to <50kb/s on torrents with plenty of seeders & peers. But it appears to be entirely random.

    Sometimes I can get >400kb/s at 5-7pm a time you'd definitely expect them to be traffic shaping if they were other times it can be <50kb/s at 4am!

    Sometimes shareaza takes ages to connect to gnutella 1 & 2 a clear sign of traffic shaping others it connects just fine & searches/downloads at blistering speed.

    The only thing that you can do is enable encryption where availiable, use a high properly forwarded pot & hope for the best.

    If ur using a wireless router limiting the number of connections utorrent makes to ~60 may help speed things up. You could also try limiting the number of global connections. It's a common misconception that more connections = faster downloading. Having too many connections simply cripples your router.


  • #40
    sunnyman2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭sunnyman2


    im thinking of switching from eircom to upc 10mb ,

    mainly for using torrent sites,

    but with all this talk of upc throttling, im not sure what to do,

    is it still worth changing?


  • #41
    AdMMM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    Is anyone on Eircom experiencing some kind of throttling issues? My download speed is constantly 30kbps and upload of 5kbps. I have no limits in place and this isn't isolated to one torrent, it's been like this for some time.


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  • #42
    ronrar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭ronrar


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Is anyone on Eircom experiencing some kind of throttling issues? My download speed is constantly 30kbps and upload of 5kbps. I have no limits in place and this isn't isolated to one torrent, it's been like this for some time.

    im running eircom 1mb bb and i havent had a problem,

    im getting full dl speeds,


  • #43
    happy_acid_face
    Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭happy_acid_face


    Just a thought, not sure if anyone has mentioned this previously - uTorrent has an option to encrypt down/uploading torrents to prevent ISP's from hindering speeds. Not sure how effective it is but i have never had any speed problems with NTL's new 20mb line


  • #44
    huggs2
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭huggs2


    This stuff is just a little above my head so i was wondering about this recently released software to check isp throtling.Has anyone tried it and is it any good?

    http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland


  • #45
    Blindpew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭Blindpew


    happy_acid_face wrote: »
    Just a thought, not sure if anyone has mentioned this previously - uTorrent has an option to encrypt down/uploading torrents to prevent ISP's from hindering speeds. Not sure how effective it is but i have never had any speed problems with NTL's new 20mb line

    I found a few weeks ago that torrents had started downloading very slowly with azureus.
    So I changed to utorrent and enabled the encryption option, it got them back downloading at full speed straight away. Also you must turn off the firewall on the eircom router to get the green light, as well as having all the ports open from 10000 - 60000.


  • #46
    Tim131
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭Tim131


    I've Eircom 2MB and am maxing out, getting speeds of up to 212kb/s and upload of up to 20kb/s - am using uTorrent (It's the best client, easy on CPU Usage) I max out on torrentleech, and bitHD, and most other private sites.

    Has anyone on Eircom actually managed to forward their ports? I can never do it! doesn't really bother me as I can upload and D/load grand, just I remember when I was on oink, I could never upload.


  • #47
    TheTubes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭TheTubes


    Blindpew wrote: »
    as well as having all the ports open from 10000 - 60000.
    :eek:

    why all the ports?
    surely thats a lot less secure than only opening the one you need?


  • #48
    ronrar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭ronrar


    Tim131 wrote: »
    Has anyone on Eircom actually managed to forward their ports? I can never do it! doesn't really bother me as I can upload and D/load grand, just I remember when I was on oink, I could never upload.

    no, i havent,i can still upload and download ok, but havent been able to do it,


  • #49
    Blindpew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭Blindpew


    TheTubes wrote: »
    :eek:

    why all the ports?
    surely thats a lot less secure than only opening the one you need?

    Well you are right but I couldn't get it to work right when I only opened certain ports. I have been downloading for years with all ports open and have never had any problems. Internet security blocks any interference.


  • #50
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    Utorrent is the best imo


  • #51
    MooseJam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    I'm trying to get past 1 at the moment, am up to .89, what ratio do you aim for, or do you not care at all or do you not upload ?


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