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UTV Ireland launching on Saorview 1st Jan 2015

  • 01-12-2014 7:49pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭


    Confirmation that UTV Ireland is launching on Saorview on the 1st January 2015.

    Press release from the department of communications below.
    The Minister for Communications, Alex White, T.D., today signed the order designating the new UTV Ireland television service for carriage on SAORVIEW. The decision means that Irish television viewers who rely on the SAORVIEW platform will be able to view the new service when it launches on New Year’s Day 2015.

    The designation was made following a determination that UTV Ireland “is a television service having the character of a public service.” The designation was made under section 130(1)(a)(iv) of the Broadcasting Act 2009.

    Source: http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2014/Minister+designates+new+UTV+Ireland+channel+for+carriage+on+SAORVIEW.htm
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  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭formerly scottish paddy


    Always knew it would................question is HD or SD?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Depends on ROI (Return on investment). If they think it won't make much difference to viewing figures they may be in SD. But still better than nothing and may provoke TV3 to actually try to be a decent Irish TV station, or close down, either would be good.

    If Tv3 go HD, then they will too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭formerly scottish paddy


    The shame is that most of their source material (ITV network) will be in HD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    I asked Saorview through their Facebook page what epg number will UTVI be allocated they said they will announce the epg slot for UTVI before the end of the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    natashaob6 wrote: »
    I asked Saorview through their Facebook page what epg number will UTVI be allocated they said they will announce the epg slot for UTVI before the end of the week.

    Some info on EPG numbers:

    http://www.a516digital.com/2014/12/psb-utv-ireland-announces-sky-cable-and.html#more


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    Always knew it would................question is HD or SD?

    A reply by UTVI on their Facebook page earlier today. Not sure though from the answer, on what platform will it be in HD.

    330367.jpg

    https://www.facebook.com/UTVIreland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭givecredit


    On the UTVI mds blogg:

    " We also announced our platform partners and, where possible, our channel numbers for UTV Ireland. If you have Sky we'll be in HD, also HD on UPC and eVision. Our EPG numbers on UPC will be 110, on Sky is 116 and on eVision is 108. Our position on Saorview will be announced shortly. We said we wanted to make UTV Ireland universally available and we've delivered that. There's also a UTV Player for catch-up on the move... and OnDemand services will follow later in the New Year."

    No mention of HD on saorview. (Yet)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    givecredit wrote: »
    On the UTVI mds blogg:

    " We also announced our platform partners and, where possible, our channel numbers for UTV Ireland. If you have Sky we'll be in HD, also HD on UPC and eVision. Our EPG numbers on UPC will be 110, on Sky is 116 and on eVision is 108. Our position on Saorview will be announced shortly. We said we wanted to make UTV Ireland universally available and we've delivered that. There's also a UTV Player for catch-up on the move... and OnDemand services will follow later in the New Year."

    No mention of HD on saorview. (Yet)

    Hopefully it will be, since all the other platforms it's on are going to be in HD. Wouldn't look great for Saorview I think if we have another channel in rubbish 544x576 resolution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,806 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    RED L4 0TH wrote: »
    Wouldn't look great for Saorview I think if we have another channel in rubbish 544x576 resolution.

    If that is the case then a reminder to UTV that their programming is available elsewhere for free and in HD might sway them further down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    UTVI promo card now on Saorview Channel 6 in SD, replacing RTE News Now.


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    Where are RTE News Now moving to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    One of the test channels has also been re-named "SAORVIEW Information" and is carrying a notice about re-tuning for the new channel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭WeHaveToGoBack


    UTVI is now live on Sky too. Cant remember than EPG number but came across it last night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    zorro2566 wrote: »
    Where are RTE News Now moving to?
    My TV has it as LCN 21


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    UTVI is now live on Sky too. Cant remember than EPG number but came across it last night.

    Sky HD 116
    Sky SD 267


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    zorro2566 wrote: »
    Sky HD 116
    Sky SD 267

    Or the other way around if you do not subscribe to HD pack. (And as such you can't view the HD version...)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    Piece added to the UTV Ireland Facebook page on how to tune in on Saorview.

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    https://www.facebook.com/UTVIreland


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭JamesyBelfast


    RED L4 0TH wrote: »
    Piece added to the UTV Ireland Facebook page on how to tune in on Saorview.

    How ironic - the YouTube instruction video on how to add UTV-Ireland is 1080p HD, but the channel itself is SD.

    UTV have been a complete disaster and embarrassment in NI since I can remember - there's no reason to believe they will be anything other than that in the South sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭corm500


    RED L4 0TH wrote: »
    Piece added to the UTV Ireland Facebook page on how to tune in on Saorview.

    330532.png

    https://www.facebook.com/UTVIreland

    Well, If we are going by that it means we will not have UTVI in HD on Saorview. Which means if you want to Watch our newest all Ireland channel in HD you will have to pay for it. ITV HD on Freesat for me then. They dont charge people in the UK for the privelege of watching HD. Maybe UTV Ireland could learn a thing or two from them :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭kooga


    not too pushed either but will scan it into my combo box but as above it is always be iTV HD for me.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Awful decision by UTV Ireland not to broadcast in HD on soarview, had they done this they would have blown TV3 out of the water. As it is TV3 now don't need to worry about having to upgrade to HD to stay in the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    corm500 wrote: »
    Well, If we are going by that it means we will not have UTVI in HD on Saorview. Which means if you want to Watch our newest all Ireland channel in HD you will have to pay for it. ITV HD on Freesat for me then. They dont charge people in the UK for the privelege of watching HD. Maybe UTV Ireland could learn a thing or two from them:mad:

    Terrestrial overspill alone will ensure that many on both sides of the border will be able to view both versions of it (UTV NI up North) via an aerial and scratch their heads wondering why UTVI is in SD while it's Northern cousin is in HD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    Answer from Saorview on their Facebook page re UTVI not being in HD on the platform.

    330550.png

    https://www.facebook.com/saorviewirl


  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ITV2


    I notice an HD colour test card up on Saorview 'PT2102' maybe UTV Ireland ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Awful decision by UTV Ireland not to broadcast in HD on soarview, had they done this they would have blown TV3 out of the water. As it is TV3 now don't need to worry about having to upgrade to HD to stay in the game.

    You are assuming that they couldn't be bothered with HD on Saorview, maybe it's not being offered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    You are assuming that they couldn't be bothered with HD on Saorview, maybe it's not being offered

    The capacity is available (2 HD test channels LCNs 12 & 14 already there), maybe SD until launch with new Saorview tariffs from Jan 1st for 2015?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    There is a seperate guide available for those who have a Triax TSC 114 combi-box as I found additional instructions on to how rescan UTV Ireland on that receiver.

    http://www.saorview.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/TSC-114-guide.pdf

    There was a notice about this below the Saorview rescan video on the Saorview webpage about rescanning for UTV Ireland.

    http://www.saorview.ie/help-support/faqs/add-utv-ireland-to-saorview/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    The Cush wrote: »
    The capacity is available, maybe SD until launch with new Saorview tariffs from Jan 1st for 2015?

    Hardly.... its an SD test card. ..

    It'll be an SD broadcast come January 1

    If it was gonna be in HD. I'd image that it would be decided by now. ... It's only weeks to go.

    UTVi would have had to arrange distribution rights for content, be it in HD or SD , long before its launch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Just posting in the wrong forum just to say UTV Ireland is slotted for HD on 116 on my Sky box. Further details are available on the Satellite forum.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    Switched over to RTE news now last night to see it had been replaced by the UTVi test card and RTE news now bumped down the channel list to 21.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Awful decision by UTV Ireland not to broadcast in HD on soarview, had they done this they would have blown TV3 out of the water. As it is TV3 now don't need to worry about having to upgrade to HD to stay in the game.
    2RN charge an exorbitant fee of €2.2 Million per year for the privilege of using a HD transponder.
    That is the reason why RTE are the only channels broadcasting in HD.
    They were forced to set up the HD platform by legislation so its there anyway.
    Here is the million dollar question. Was that €4.4 Million for RTE1/RTE2 HD factored in by RTE as part of that set up cost that had to be done anyway?
    If so, It's an incredibly un-level playing field for independents.
    Also we, the Irish public paid for the platform to be set up through the license fees., so we should have a say on the cost of transponders, Not 2RN or the BAI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    i looked at the picture quality of both utvhd and the test tranmission for utvi on my free to air combi box. needless to say there is no comparison so if its not HD on Saorview I at least will have the choice to just leave utvhd where it is now. The cost for Saorview tranmission for a HD channel really is shocking for amount of viewers it will get.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Not only do RTE have to pay €2.2m fr RTE 1 and 2, they also pay €900k for each of the other two channels that yield zero income, plus all the radio channels.

    As a result of TV3's complaint, a pricing system was derived by arbitration that has the charges where they are. The decision was to no-ones advantage. Without it, 2RN could offer introductory tarrifs for new services, like change-over to HD or new channels, like OTV and UTVi.

    If RTE did not have the burden of the two useless channels, then the second mux would not be needed. Currently, they have two HD channels and two SD channels broadcasting zeros (well test cards but zero value and zero income) which is nearly a complete mux, and that is with UTVi SD not counted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭Biffo The Bare


    2RN charge an exorbitant fee of €2.2 Million per year for the privilege of using a HD transponder.
    That is the reason why RTE are the only channels broadcasting in HD.
    They were forced to set up the HD platform by legislation so its there anyway.
    Here is the million dollar question. Was that €4.4 Million for RTE1/RTE2 HD factored in by RTE as part of that set up cost that had to be done anyway?
    If so, It's an incredibly un-level playing field for independents.
    Also we, the Irish public paid for the platform to be set up through the license fees., so we should have a say on the cost of transponders, Not 2RN or the BAI.

    What a waste. There have been test cards on a lot of the transponders for the best part of three years. And when somebody comes along with a quality channel to put on Saorview, they are priced out of using a HD transponder, even though 40% of the remaining space is taken up with bloody test-cards.
    Remember, Its our money they are spending.
    Start copping on lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    What a waste. There have been test cards on a lot of the transponders for the best part of three years. And when somebody comes along with a quality channel to put on Saorview, they are priced out of using a HD transponder, even though 40% of the remaining space is taken up with bloody test-cards.
    Remember, Its our money they are spending.
    Start copping on lads.

    Not only that, If the pricing structure was relaxed, this would mean RTE would have more money to spend on programming.
    I have travelled to many countries around the world over the last 10 years, and Saorview is the least inspiring terrestrial platform I have ever encountered. What a joke.:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I have travelled to many countries around the world over the last 10 years, and Saorview is the least inspiring terrestrial platform I have ever encountered. What a joke.:confused:

    What is your opinion of the DTT platforms in Holland, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland etc., very few FTA channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Not only that, If the pricing structure was relaxed, this would mean RTE would have more money to spend on programming. I have travelled to many countries around the world over the last 10 years, and Saorview is the least inspiring terrestrial platform I have ever encountered. What a joke.


    Saorview combined with Freesat, I believe we have a great selection of Free channels in Ireland.
    And now with UTV Ireland on the saorview platform - a welcomed addition, hopefully we get it in HD on saorview like it's sister channel on freesat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    Saorview combined with Freesat, I believe we have a great selection of Free channels in Ireland.
    And now with UTV Ireland on the saorview platform - a welcomed addition, hopefully we get it in HD on saorview like it's sister channel on freesat.

    Wouldnt hold your breath - we are still waiting for TG4 HD on saorview afterall :mad:

    Wonder what UPC charge tg4 for the broadcasting of its HD variant or is it still classed as a "trial"?

    Is there a current listing of all saorview channels including tests and other details? My tuner is detecting alot of unknown channels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Wonder what UPC charge tg4 for the broadcasting of its HD variant or is it still classed as a "trial"?

    Free of charge I assume just like the Oireachtas Channel and the other Irish channels
    Is there a current listing of all saorview channels including tests and other details? My tuner is detecting alot of unknown channels

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=93330078#post93330078


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    I forgot about TG4 HD, I presume we will get the Oir/Lienster house channel on saorview as it was on test.
    Saorview should do more to attract these channels and others, however it must be hard to compete with upc if they offer carriage of these stations for free.
    But free in this case is an illusion as Joe public must pay again once for a TV licence and also for Upc for the viewing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    Not only do RTE have to pay €2.2m fr RTE 1 and 2, they also pay €900k for each of the other two channels that yield zero income, plus all the radio channels.

    As a result of TV3's complaint, a pricing system was derived by arbitration that has the charges where they are. The decision was to no-ones advantage. Without it, 2RN could offer introductory tarrifs for new services, like change-over to HD or new channels, like OTV and UTVi.

    If RTE did not have the burden of the two useless channels, then the second mux would not be needed. Currently, they have two HD channels and two SD channels broadcasting zeros (well test cards but zero value and zero income) which is nearly a complete mux, and that is with UTVi SD not counted.

    Wrong wrong wrong.:rolleyes:

    RTE pay for nothing, bar the amount they get for advertising.
    License fee payers pay for RTE's carriage on 2RN's network.
    License fee payers, TV3 and TG4 pay for the upkeep of 2RN's digital network.
    This is required by legislation.
    So in effect, RTE are getting carriage paid for them by us.
    Everybody else has to pay €2.2 million for a HD transponder.
    THIS is why RTE 1 and RTE 2 are the only channels available in HD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    And when somebody comes along with a quality channel to put on Saorview

    Not sure I'd agree with that statement


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    carrolls wrote: »
    Wrong wrong wrong.:rolleyes:

    RTE pay for nothing, bar the amount they get for advertising.
    License fee payers pay for RTE's carriage on 2RN's network.
    License fee payers, TV3 and TG4 pay for the upkeep of 2RN's digital network.
    This is required by legislation.
    So in effect, RTE are getting carriage paid for them by us.
    Everybody else has to pay €2.2 million for a HD transponder.
    THIS is why RTE 1 and RTE 2 are the only channels available in HD.

    2RN are a wholly owned subsidiary of RTE and have their own accountancy rules, as do RTE. So RTE pay 2RN, even though they take it from one pocket and put it into another.

    2RN are required to balance their charges between their users on DTT as to their use of bandwidth. If all the major channels go HD, then the cost for HD goes down. Currently, 2RN fills the unused channels with zeros and the full cost is divided up between the users. If the muxes were full, the costs per channel would be much less.

    Your comment is a political one. TV3 and TG4 get licence fee money under the Sound and Vision fund (and TV3 have two years worth of support for Red Rock from the fund), and TV3 had €80m of debt to the taxpayer written off - that would pay for a few years of HD channels - even at €2.2m per year. So do not tell me that RTE are the only ones to benefit from taxpayer funds. (incidentally, the Licence is not a tax but that would be pedantic).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    2RN are a wholly owned subsidiary of RTE and have their own accountancy rules, as do RTE. So RTE pay 2RN, even though they take it from one pocket and put it into another.

    2RN are required to balance their charges between their users on DTT as to their use of bandwidth. If all the major channels go HD, then the cost for HD goes down. Currently, 2RN fills the unused channels with zeros and the full cost is divided up between the users. If the muxes were full, the costs per channel would be much less.

    Your comment is a political one. TV3 and TG4 get licence fee money under the Sound and Vision fund (and TV3 have two years worth of support for Red Rock from the fund), and TV3 had €80m of debt to the taxpayer written off - that would pay for a few years of HD channels - even at €2.2m per year. So do not tell me that RTE are the only ones to benefit from taxpayer funds. (incidentally, the Licence is not a tax but that would be pedantic).
    Who benefits most per hour of programming from the TV licence?
    I would guess its RTE by a couple of orders of magnitude.
    RTE don't pay the €6 million per year for carriage on Saorview, We do. Pure and simple.
    No RTE apologist or anybody else is going to convince me otherwise.
    We need a level playing field in Irish broadcasting, and then Saorview will take off.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The TV licence was set up to pay for RTE. RTE were allowed to get revenue from advertising as the licence fee would be insufficient to cover their costs, just as advertising was used to cover costs on radio before that.

    No-one is forcing the commercial TV companies, like TV3 or UTVi, to be on DTT and they choose to be on there as they make money, or at least, think they might. If they do not cut it, they can close down.

    RTE are controlled by the legislation.

    This has no relevance to UTVi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    The TV licence was set up to pay for RTE. RTE were allowed to get revenue from advertising as the licence fee would be insufficient to cover their costs, just as advertising was used to cover costs on radio before that.

    No-one is forcing the commercial TV companies, like TV3 or UTVi, to be on DTT and they choose to be on there as they make money, or at least, think they might. If they do not cut it, they can close down.

    RTE are controlled by the legislation.

    This has no relevance to UTVi.
    If UTV need to pay €2.2 million for HD and RTE have a free ride, yes it has relevance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    The Cush wrote: »
    Free of charge I assume just like the Oireachtas Channel and the other Irish channels



    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=93330078#post93330078

    thanks :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭AwaitYourReply


    2RN is the trading name of RTÉ Transmission Network Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Raidió Teilifís Éireann, formerly trading as RTÉNL, which runs Ireland's principal digital terrestrial television and radio broadcast networks. This may have been fine in the days when you had no commercial independent television and radio however; things changed from 1988/89 onwards. I think the whole television and radio transmission network should not even be a subsidiary of either RTÉ or any of the other major commercial players in the market.

    Ireland has never really managed to separate different sections of operations in various semi-state companies ever since one time vital services were deregulated which ended monopoly ownership structures which would eventually pave the way for new competition in these once highly protective sectors.

    CIE Group- C.I.E. split it's national bus & train network into 3 companies around March 1987 > Bus Éireann, Dublin Bus, Iarnród Éireann
    ESB Group > ESB Customer Supply=Electric Ireland, EirGrid, ESBi (ESB international)
    Bórd Gáis > Ervia t/a:Gas Networks Ireland, Irish Water...
    Bórd Telecom Éireann > Eircom, eMobile, Meteor...
    RTÉ > TV:(RTÉ1, RTÉ2, RTÉ1+1, RTÉ Jr; RTÉ News Now) Radio:(RTÉ Radio1, 2fm, lyric fm, RnaG+Digital Radio) RTÉ Aertel, 2RN=RTÉNL


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭AwaitYourReply


    I meant to include the below at end of my previous post ...

    Ireland's Digital Terrestrial Television platform: Saorview was always going to have issues if one major operator had unfair advantage over others.

    On 26th May 2011 the SAORVIEW digital platform was launched to 97% of the population

    In spring 2011, RTÉ launched a new national free-to-air digital platform, SAORVIEW.

    2rn provisioned all the necessary national digital transmission infrastructure and systems for the introduction of this new free-to-air (FTA) platform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Your comment is a political one. TV3 and TG4 get licence fee money under the Sound and Vision fund (and TV3 have two years worth of support for Red Rock from the fund), and TV3 had €80m of debt to the taxpayer written off - that would pay for a few years of HD channels - even at €2.2m per year. So do not tell me that RTE are the only ones to benefit from taxpayer funds. (incidentally, the Licence is not a tax but that would be pedantic).


    And after an €80 million debt to the tax payers written off, TV3 won't pay for carriage on Saorsat, not surprising as in the past they would not pay for carriage on some of the smaller transmitters.

    It's OK for tax payers to bail out TV3 and it's owners, but TV3 and it's owners don't give a shi# about the tax payers or Licence fee payer's.


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