Dublin Airport - Terminal 2

dubhthach · 23-07-2010 8:18am

Jayuu wrote: »

The US immigration control will be a huge advantage in Terminal 2 as well.
Lets face it, nobody minds doing all that stuff at the start of the journey when you're all excited about going away as opposed to the other side when you're tired and you just want to get to your destination.

Also means that if they reject you ye just not allowed to board the flight, when you get rejected after arriving in US you can be treated like your an escapee from GITMO.

KC61 · 23-07-2010 8:36am

runway16 wrote: »

Security regulations require that departing and arriving passengers do not mix in the airside portion of the terminal (ie beyond security control). AMSTERDAM gets away with it, like Pier A in Dublin, because it is an older design, but no new facility can allow it.

The only point in T2 where they will mix is landside, after the 1st escalator up from check in, where the departing pax will quickly ascend to the next level, so it is not an issue in this case.

I noticed that when I arrived in the newly built Barcelona Terminal 2 earlier this year that both arriving and departing passengers mixed freely airside.

How can they be allowed to do this if these are the regulations?

eia340600 · 23-07-2010 1:20pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Really don't see what the problem is with changing levels, up and down an escalator a couple of times what is the problem?

Your point about intersecting Departing and Arriving passengers is wrong. This happens in major international airports quite often, Schiphol being a perfect example.
Don't see the problem with it. Departing people are heading for their gates and arrivees are heading for baggage/passport control. Do not see how it will cause a problem.

The problem is that all of these flaws were built into a brand new terminal..The passenger experience is compromised for no reason..All public spaces, especially of this scale, have to be as simple as possible to allow for maximum efficiency and ease of use.
People may not mind changing levels a few times but think of the amount of extra energy required to move 7.5 million people over 5 levels instead of none.It means higher electricity bills/carbon emissions for no reason, but an architect who wanted a bridge.
Why would you have 20,000 people milling through another 20,000 people a day just to get to their pier?Think of how much space the arrivals hall in T1 uses.Filled with people waiting for relatives etc.Now think of all those people crammed into a smaller place (between two escalators) with 20,000 people rushing by on either side.It is bad public space design.

runway16 · 23-07-2010 3:00pm

KC61 wrote: »

I noticed that when I arrived in the newly built Barcelona Terminal 2 earlier this year that both arriving and departing passengers mixed freely airside.

How can they be allowed to do this if these are the regulations?

Believe it or not, there is no common standard on this even within the EU.

Ireland and the UK do not allow arrivals and departures to mix, the only exception being in buildings which cannot be physically adapted to accomodate these rules. (I.e Pier A)

The Dutch aviation security authority also does not allow it, but due to the design of Schiphol airport, they have no option but to allow it. Any entirely newly built Terminal at Schiphol will comply with the newer standard.

The case of Barcelona is strange, it being a new build terminal. It is accepted in airport design, regardless of national rules, that seperating arrivals and departures is the optimum choice, so I am at a loss as to why a new build terminal allows this. Spanish regulations obviously do not insist on seperation of the two, but I would be of the opinion it should be incorporated anyway, especially when you have the luxury of starting from scratch.

The reason for this regulation (where its enforced) is the logic that arriving passengers may be coming from a country where the security regime is not consistent with that of the departing country, and thus arriving passengers could interact with departing passengers and pass contraband or prohibited articles to them. At least that's the theory!

Also, I am talking about seperation of passengers on the AIRSIDE portion of the terminal only (ie the areas not open to the general public - just passengers).

Landside, of course all passengers can mix in this area.

Carawaystick · 23-07-2010 9:06pm

Passengers in Malpensa can mingle airside also, if they're going to-from another airport in Schengen zone

steve-o · 23-07-2010 10:20pm

runway16 wrote: »

The Dutch aviation security authority also does not allow it, but due to the design of Schiphol airport, they have no option but to allow it.

Allow what? All security screening in Schipol takes place at the gate and every passenger is screened. Once screened, those passengers have no contact with unscreened passengers.

In Dublin T2, arriving and departing passengers will not mix.

L1011 · 23-07-2010 11:17pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Why not? It's a pretty easy airport to get in and out of, no means perfect, for me some walks to gates, especially Aer Lingus' is very long, and they often don't have enough Immigration Police on the desks, leading to longer queues than there should be, but apart from that it's a nice airport, that works, and is generally pleasant to be in.

Its the decentralised security that is the bit I'd never want to see.

First time I went through I didn't know about that and was paranoid that I'd somehow snuck in past the bag screening!

spacetweek · 27-07-2010 4:40pm

irishdub14 wrote: »

New Article on T2:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/inside-the-controversial-terminal-2-as-it-gets-ready-for-takeoff-2267945.html?start=2

How is it Controversial??

Yea! I've read this article already and the "controversial" bit annoyed me. It never actually explains why! I reckon the hack journalist thought they'd throw that word in just to spice it up a bit.

eia340600 wrote: »

The problem is that all of these flaws were built into a brand new terminal..The passenger experience is compromised for no reason..All public spaces, especially of this scale, have to be as simple as possible to allow for maximum efficiency and ease of use.
People may not mind changing levels a few times but think of the amount of extra energy required to move 7.5 million people over 5 levels instead of none.

I'm not sure it's clear that any of what you're saying there is actually the case in T2. As for energy efficiency, would you go way out of that - we're mainly talking about people's legs here.

irishdub14 · 30-07-2010 11:25am

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Image_Bank/T2air.html

Geogregor · 31-07-2010 6:19pm

What are they building in front of the new terminal?
Multistory car park?

irishdub14 · 31-07-2010 7:57pm

Geogregor wrote: »

What are they building in front of the new terminal?
Multistory car park?

Yes, there also planning to build a new Crowne Plaza on top of it, but not in the near future.

G_R · 01-08-2010 12:48am

irishdub14 wrote: »

Yes, there also planning to build a new Crowne Plaza on top of it, but not in the near future.

was there not plans to build a ground level carpark there,as that is where the Metro North station will be and it can be just closed then when nessescary

Bluetonic · 01-08-2010 9:35am

dannym08 wrote: »

was there not plans to build a ground level carpark there,as that is where the Metro North station will be and it can be just closed then when nessescary

There was.

It's built.

....and being used.

murphaph · 01-08-2010 1:03pm

Passengers mix freely airside in Malaga too, but agree with anyone who says this should have been designed out in any new build of this scale.

For a swift passenger experience I can't fault Munich, check in desks at the front, then step to the rigth or left to go through security and generally walk straight ahead to your gate.

No level changes or any nonsense.

G_R · 01-08-2010 11:41pm

Bluetonic wrote: »

There was.

It's built.

....and being used.

I really should start paying more attention...

as you were

irishdub14 · 04-08-2010 4:42pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtR8Vq52LWM

Rashers72 · 05-08-2010 6:58am

Any idea's on an opening date? A relative has a flight with Ethiad in Mid November, and was wondering would they be using the new terminal.
Can't find a date anywhere, but maybe it's a bit early.....

irishdub14 · 05-08-2010 9:27am

Rashers72 wrote: »

Any idea's on an opening date? A relative has a flight with Ethiad in Mid November, and was wondering would they be using the new terminal.
Can't find a date anywhere, but maybe it's a bit early.....

The DAA haven't released a firm date yet, their still just saying November. The only things left to do with the terminal is to finish testing all the systems and fitting out duty free, everything else is basically done. I wouldn't be surprised if it opened the first week of November, maybe even before! :rolleyes:

runway16 · 05-08-2010 4:28pm

steve-o wrote: »

Allow what? All security screening in Schipol takes place at the gate and every passenger is screened. Once screened, those passengers have no contact with unscreened passengers.

In Dublin T2, arriving and departing passengers will not mix.

Well, as you are familiar with AMS, you will probably also know that this wasnt always the case, and when departing from certain piers, this was not the case until very recently.

alfredrussrell · 11-08-2010 11:42am

Now that Aer Lingus are going trans Atlantic through T2, does anyone know how coaches for departures through T2 will be dealt with? Will we have to walk with luggage from the existing coach park? It's already a fair old hike to T1 with luggage.

runway16 · 13-08-2010 5:43pm

alfredrussrell wrote: »

Now that Aer Lingus are going trans Atlantic through T2, does anyone know how coaches for departures through T2 will be dealt with? Will we have to walk with luggage from the existing coach park? It's already a fair old hike to T1 with luggage.

As far as I can see Alfred, Yes. However, a dedicated, covered walkway is being built to join the coach park directly to T2, so you wont have to traipse across roads etc etc. It actually doesnt look any more distant than the walk to T1, and will probably be done in more comfort due toa dedicated walkway that is actually covered also!

Kev11491 · 21-08-2010 12:41pm

If your departing on an American flight from T1 you have to go down a level to US customs so not all departing passengers dont have to change levels.

I think it is a better idea to seperate passengers.. keeps the people flowing thus allowing the airport to be less congested.

T2 looks amaing btw

BluntGuy · 21-08-2010 4:20pm

Kev11491 wrote: »

T2 looks amaing btw

Looks fairly good, though some of the exterior grey cladding has a bit of a chunky cheapness about it.

The real test is how it functions of course.

What steps are the DAA taking to mitigate against the massive passenger shortfall though? Apart from raising passenger charges. We have 35 mil capacity but only ~20 mil or under using it. I'm not putting all the blame on them for this, but this is vastly over-capacity at the moment so we need to see how it could most efficiently be utilised. Do all the gates in P1 need to be used for the time being for example?

L1011 · 22-08-2010 9:49pm

I'd be tempted to close pier A or B in T1 in its entirity for the time being. Could see problems with the tenants in the retail units though...

Actually, brain is failing me here - isn't there a prefab extension on one of the old piers?

loike · 23-08-2010 1:59am

the pictures ive seen look great but the old bit looks odd attached too it now, i hope they do it up

Bluetonic · 23-08-2010 8:48am

MYOB wrote: »

Actually, brain is failing me here - isn't there a prefab extension on one of the old piers?

That has to close when the new pier on T2 opens.

Well that was one of the conditions of the extension on planning permission.

Plowman · 23-08-2010 11:08am

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silverharp · 23-08-2010 9:34pm

how will Aircoach operate with the 2 terminals? will there be 2 pickup points? what will the T2 pickup area look like, covered ?

L1011 · 23-08-2010 10:31pm

Bluetonic wrote: »

That has to close when the new pier on T2 opens.

Well that was one of the conditions of the extension on planning permission.

Which pier is it on though?

I only use the sodding airport about 20 times a year with multiple airlines out of every pier... and I can't remember the layout!

sdanseo · 24-08-2010 12:23am

MYOB wrote: »

Which pier is it on though?

I only use the sodding airport about 20 times a year with multiple airlines out of every pier... and I can't remember the layout!

It's in between pier A+D

KC61 · 24-08-2010 11:25am

MYOB wrote: »

I'd be tempted to close pier A or B in T1 in its entirity for the time being. Could see problems with the tenants in the retail units though...

Actually, brain is failing me here - isn't there a prefab extension on one of the old piers?

Bluetonic wrote: »

That has to close when the new pier on T2 opens.

Well that was one of the conditions of the extension on planning permission.

MYOB wrote: »

Which pier is it on though?

I only use the sodding airport about 20 times a year with multiple airlines out of every pier... and I can't remember the layout!

sdonn wrote: »

It's in between pier A+D

The prefab extension is actually at the end of what was pier D (now gates 1XX) and is used (as far as I've seen) exclusively by Ryanair.

The former piers A and B (now gates 2XX and 3XX respectively) are to be refurbished once Terminal 2 opens.

bg07 · 24-08-2010 1:31pm

KC61 wrote: »

The prefab extension is actually at the end of what was pier D (now gates 1XX) and is used (as far as I've seen) exclusively by Ryanair.

That prefab is due to come down once T2 opens

Link

Jayuu · 24-08-2010 3:49pm

Got an e-mail today about the trials that I had signed up for a while back. I'm going on the last trial date which is the 18th October. There are five trial dates listed from mid-August to mid-October, building up in numbers each time. The last trial date will have a max of 1500 people involved.

Hopefully this should give them enough information to sort out any problem in their systems. I would assume that if the trials go successfully we are looking at an opening date sometime in November.

Unfortunately looking at the regulations for the other trials you are forbidden to bring cameras or take pictures with mobile phones. I'm not sure why, apart from potential security issue, but those are the rules.

Anybody else involved in one of the trials.

rameire · 24-08-2010 4:08pm

yup the wif is going in september.

Bluetonic · 24-08-2010 4:39pm

bg07 wrote: »

That prefab is due to come down once T2 opens

Link

As I said just a few posts above.

KC61 · 24-08-2010 4:47pm

bg07 wrote: »

That prefab is due to come down once T2 opens

Link

I know - I was just telling MYOB where it was. It is not between what were piers A and D as someone else suggested, but rather an extension of pier D.

JupiterKid · 26-08-2010 11:29am

I'm taking part in the Terminal 2 trials today. We're just waiting to get brought to T2 at the moment. Will give you all an account of how it went later.

JupiterKid · 26-08-2010 4:13pm

Well, I've just finished up the Dublin Airport T2 trials today.

We were waiting for ages in the Red long-term car park before the trials proper got started. Then we were taken to the ALSAA building where we were registered, briefed about what to expect and served tea/coffee. There were about 400 people involved in today's trial and a good cross section of people - young and older, parents with children and a couple of disabled people.

Terminal 2 is a very, very impressive building.:) When it opens later this year it will wow a lot of people used to the mish mash and mess of Terminal 1. Our trial group were requested to rehearse a departure to the boarding gate and then an arrival routine. The check in area is very easy to use and impressive, but the oversized baggage belt which I had to use (we were all given luggage to use at check in and collect in the baggage collection hall) was difficult to find and needs better signposting.

You then proceed up two flights of escalators to go straight through security and then onto the baording Pier (Pier E). We also cleared US customs and immigration as T2 will be handling all transatlantic flights when it opens.

T2 is a very "clean" building - there's little to distract you from when you check in until when to when you board your flight. True, the duty free shops and eateries are only being fitted out but my impression is that they want you to get to your gate with as little hanging around as possible on the way.

The toilets were impressive - and are well located and numerous - but the hand dryers are problematic - they're built into the wall and difficult to see. They should have used the Dyson airblade type dryers.

There was a draw for 5 iPods (which sadly I didn't win:() and a draw for €5,000 for the volunteers of all the trials. We also got a goodie bag when we finished the trial with a few bits and bobs courtesy of the DAA.

All in all, it was well worth taking part in. I feel priviliged to have used Terminal 2 before it opens.:cool:

Jayuu · 26-08-2010 5:41pm

Looking forward to my trial after reading this. Mind you with 1500 people it should be a bit more hectic.

Were you asked for feedback on your experience as opposed to just letting them see what problems they encountred?

FreudianSlippers · 26-08-2010 5:48pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Well, I've just finished up the Dublin Airport T2 trials today.

We were waiting for ages in the Red long-term car park before the trials proper got started. Then we were taken to the ALSAA building where we were registered, briefed about what to expect and served tea/coffee. There were about 400 people involved in today's trial and a good cross section of people - young and older, parents with children and a couple of disabled people.

Terminal 2 is a very, very impressive building.:) When it opens later this year it will wow a lot of people used to the mish mash and mess of Terminal 1. Our trial group were requested to rehearse a departure to the boarding gate and then an arrival routine. The check in area is very easy to use and impressive, but the oversized baggage belt which I had to use (we were all given luggage to use at check in and collect in the baggage collecion hall) was difficult to find and needs better signposting.

You then proceed up two flights of escalators to go straight through security and then onto the baiording Pier. We also cleared US customs and immigration as T2 will be handling all transatlantic flights when it opens.

T2 is a very "clean" building - there's little to distract you from when you check in to when you board your flight. True, the duty free shops and eateries are only being fitted out but my impression is that they want you to get to your gate with little hanging around on the way.

The toilets were impressive - and are well located and numerous - but the hand dryers are problematic - they're built into the wall and difficult to see. They should have used the Dyson airblade type dryers.

There was a draw for 5 iPods (which sadly I didn't win:() and a draw for €5,000 for the volunteers of all the trials. We also got a goodie bag when we finished the trial with a few bits and bobs courtesy of the DAA.

All in all, it was well worth taking part in. I feel priviliged to have used Terminal 2 before it opens.:cool:

Are there adequate food (read:bars) near the gates, or are they all located nearer to the security screening as is the case in T1.
There is one exception of a cool bar in T1 with a roof garden that I was in last time, but not sure exactly what pier it is in?!

JupiterKid · 26-08-2010 6:00pm

Jayuu wrote: »

Looking forward to my trial after reading this. Mind you with 1500 people it should be a bit more hectic.

Were you asked for feedback on your experience as opposed to just letting them see what problems they encountred?

Yep, we were given two very short questionnaires to answer - one about departures and the other on arrivals, rating the facilities such as check in, passenger screening/security, ancillary facilities, boarding gates, baggage reclaim, etc.

We also were given imaginary passenger names for the boarding routine rehersals - I was Ralph Wall en route to Cincinatti on Delta flight 7949.:D

spacetweek · 30-08-2010 6:00pm

OisinT wrote: »

Are there adequate food (read:bars)

Haha!

Jayuu wrote: »

Anybody else involved in one of the trials.

Yep, but on September 18th.

Rashers72 · 30-08-2010 8:48pm

Any word on an opening date?

L1011 · 30-08-2010 9:40pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

The toilets were impressive - and are well located and numerous - but the hand dryers are problematic - they're built into the wall and difficult to see. They should have used the Dyson airblade type dryers.

Same as Pier D, then. Useless things.

D'Peoples Voice · 30-08-2010 10:22pm

MYOB wrote: »

Same as Pier D, then. Useless things.

to be fair, this isn't the UK or France..
people in Ireland take any opportunity to vandalise things
I can completely understand their logic here,
not saying that you can't vandalise these in-built dryers, you can I'd imagine,
but I'm sure they are more difficult to vandalise.

Its the very same reason why we can't have underground pedestrian walkways on busy road junctions, vandalism and violent attacks, there are just too much scumbags in Ireland so everything we do muct be predicated on what is the best way to get around the scumbag problem in this country.

eia340600 · 30-08-2010 10:36pm

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

to be fair, this isn't the UK or France..

This is the only line of your post that has any truth in it..The Dublin Bikes, for example, havn't even had a single one defaced!!(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0809/1224276416971.html}

The same can't be said for their French counterparts and don't even get me started with England...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111487751

D'Peoples Voice · 31-08-2010 12:08pm

eia340600 wrote: »

This is the only line of your post that has any truth in it..The Dublin Bikes, for example, havn't even had a single one defaced!!(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0809/1224276416971.html}

The same can't be said for their French counterparts and don't even get me started with England...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111487751

don't come up with this - oh I'm Irish so I have to defend the indefensible to be patriotic! A 2minute google search would have contradicted your point
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/free-bikes-scheme-is-hit-by-vandals--after-just-one-day-1885887.html
...after just one day!!!!!!!!

I myself went to use one of those bikes outside the Custom House, and the whole gear cog thing had been vandalised on the back wheel - and thats just my experience - I'm sure many have similar experience.

oh and let me guess, there are no scumbags on the Luas red line either....:rolleyes:

FFS, we are the only country in Europe that I'm aware that have so many scumbags that we can't even have cow statues
http://www.limerickleader.ie/8484/Antigraffiti-team-to-fight-cow.2777738.jp

Jayuu · 31-08-2010 1:57pm

Personally I've never had any problem with any of the Dublin Bikes that I've used. While obviously there is going to be a certain amount of vandalism, no matter what country one lives in, it would seem to have been nowhere near the levels that were predicted when the scheme was first introduced.

I'm not saying that we should somehow celebrate this over other places but lets not be too quick to put ourselves down either.

irishdub14 · 31-08-2010 8:54pm

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

don't come up with this - oh I'm Irish so I have to defend the indefensible to be patriotic! A 2minute google search would have contradicted your point
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/free-bikes-scheme-is-hit-by-vandals--after-just-one-day-1885887.html
...after just one day!!!!!!!!

I myself went to use one of those bikes outside the Custom House, and the whole gear cog thing had been vandalised on the back wheel - and thats just my experience - I'm sure many have similar experience.

oh and let me guess, there are no scumbags on the Luas red line either....:rolleyes:

FFS, we are the only country in Europe that I'm aware that have so many scumbags that we can't even have cow statues
http://www.limerickleader.ie/8484/Antigraffiti-team-to-fight-cow.2777738.jp

Totally agree, there is a lot of mindless vandalism that simply wouldn't happen on the same scale in London, Paris or New York.

D'Peoples Voice · 01-09-2010 1:08am

Apologies mods
didn't wish to bring the thread off topic,
but I do think that we should be less critical of the facilities at Dublin airport
given the clientéle in this country,
and it needed to be said.

Irish people need to see the likes of Broombridge train station before they criticise the authorities of being minimalist!

The designers of Terminal 2 are being pragmatic.

Dublin Airport - Terminal 2

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