"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 5:11pm

briano wrote: »

Online now.

This man is a fool. Although I am intrigued about how he reads things "Forensically"

CSI: Evolution

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5kY&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3Aforensic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

The Mad Hatter · 14-09-2010 5:14pm

Malari wrote: »

He sounds like that Irish "Derren Brown" fella.

Huh?

Dades · 14-09-2010 5:15pm

Can't imagine Hooky being too up with the natural sciences, and consequently might take the view that such a book could be a valid alternative view.

Dades · 14-09-2010 5:15pm

And folks, maybe tone the name-calling and vitriol pointed at the author. It's not necessary and a little over the top.

Ush1 · 14-09-2010 5:18pm

Dades wrote: »

And folks, maybe tone the name-calling and vitriol pointed at the author. It's not necessary and a little over the top.

In the same vein, doubt the folks at Nat Geo will appreciate him holding up their magazine and shouting "BULLSH*T!".

axer · 14-09-2010 5:34pm

Was on matt cooper just there.

Turtwig · 14-09-2010 5:35pm

axer wrote: »

Was on matt cooper just there.

Is there a link?

mikhail · 14-09-2010 5:40pm

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Huh?

I had the same reaction. Derren Brown is quite a vocal atheist and sceptic.

Paparazzo · 14-09-2010 5:43pm

Dougla2 wrote: »

on newstalk?

Actually, I think I misheard George. Sorry!

sonicthebadger* · 14-09-2010 5:43pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Is there a link?

Don't bother, Mat did what the rest of the media should have done and asked why is this a problem? Then moved on. Gave the bit all of about 2 minutes.

expectationlost · 14-09-2010 5:49pm

wish the author would stop insulting our intelligence

Dades · 14-09-2010 5:52pm

Ush1 wrote: »

In the same vein, doubt the folks at Nat Geo will appreciate him holding up their magazine and shouting "BULLSH*T!".

I doubt the folks at NG will ever even know.

Paparazzo · 14-09-2010 5:55pm

Dades wrote: »

I doubt the folks at NG will ever even know.

I think his book will bring down NG.

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 6:03pm

Paparazzo wrote: »

Actually, I think I misheard George. Sorry!

George doesn't seem like the type to understand evolution if he was doing it anyway , he could believe in it but not understand it enough to debate someone who has researched it albeit badly.

mewso · 14-09-2010 6:08pm

Matt spoke to Michael Nugent which was quite good but then spoke to the absolutely reprehensible Cal Thomas later who said we should be open to all ideas, my hand doesn't look like a Gorillas yada yada. Then in the ad break what comes on? You know who offering 10,000 bananas telling us to go to www.darwinsdeadidea.com which just goes to the original site.

Ush1 · 14-09-2010 6:34pm

Just listened to the Moncrieff interview.

Unreal, so funny. Some real classic quotes.

"We didn't come from apes we came from our mothers!":pac:

"Of course God created them who dya think did?"

And of course he let slip that it's all about religion by saying that the bible is the actual truth.

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 6:38pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Just listened to the Moncrieff interview.

Unreal, so funny. Some real classic quotes.

"We didn't come from apes we came from our mothers!":pac:

"Of course God created them who dya think did?"

And of course he let slip that it's all about religion by saying that the bible is the actual truth.

yeah the god one was real funny, great interview if not just because of the comic value

Ush1 · 14-09-2010 6:45pm

Dougla2 wrote: »

yeah the god one was real funny, great interview if not just because of the comic value

I actually think Moncrieff was really good, is he an atheist? Not that it matters, he seemed to have a decent idea of natural history and was able to call him up on most of what he said. I reckon if it was in a pub he would have ripped him to shreds but wouldn't be that cruel on his radio show. Well played.

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 6:49pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I actually think Moncrieff was really good, is he an atheist? Not that it matters, he seemed to have a decent idea of natural history and was able to call him up on most of what he said. I reckon if it was in a pub he would have ripped him to shreds but wouldn't be that cruel on his radio show. Well played.

i don't know but you don't have to be atheist to accept evolution

sensibleken · 14-09-2010 6:53pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Just listened to the Moncrieff interview.

Unreal, so funny. Some real classic quotes.

"We didn't come from apes we came from our mothers!":pac:

"Of course God created them who dya think did?"

And of course he let slip that it's all about religion by saying that the bible is the actual truth.

the opening line was my favourite.

'Evolutionists will try to tell you what happened millions of years ago. Now if you try to remember something 40 years ago youd have trouble'

therefore evolution is bull****

QED.

amacachi · 14-09-2010 6:54pm

oceanclub wrote: »

Yup, because famously that how scientists win debates; they sue each other.

Seems to be a good tactic though, from Private Eye it seems a lot of people are doing "libel tourism" in the UK where the laws are lax and the legal fees can properly **** someone over if they don't back down, even before it gets to a proper court.

If there's anything further on radio could someone post a listen live link?

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 6:55pm

sensibleken wrote: »

the opening line was my favourite.

'Evolutionists will try to tell you what happened millions of years ago. Now if you try to remember something 40 years ago youd have trouble'

therefore evolution is bull****

QED.

lol i know right , no one remembers evolution you don't need to we got fossils , DNA and carbon dating. this guy is a buffoon

Ush1 · 14-09-2010 6:59pm

Dougla2 wrote: »

i don't know but you don't have to be atheist to accept evolution

Yeah, that's what I meant by "not that it matters".

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 7:00pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I meant by "not that it matters".

Oh! , sorry didnt read the whole post

sensibleken · 14-09-2010 7:04pm

Dougla2 wrote: »

lol i know right , no one remembers evolution you don't need to we got fossils , DNA and carbon dating. this guy is a buffoon

also humans didnt exist 6000 years ago because theres no historical records saying 'howaya, john jo the pre-babylonian here'

mohawk · 14-09-2010 7:55pm

Dougla2 wrote: »

lol i know right , no one remembers evolution you don't need to we got fossils , DNA and carbon dating. this guy is a buffoon

sorry carbon dating isn't science either did you not hear his interview

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 8:00pm

Here's an edited version of the podcast from Moncrieff on Newstalk :

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/560668/Moncrief%20-%20Newstalk%20-%20Interview%20With%20Creationist%20Idiot%20John%20May.mp3

Hivemind187 · 14-09-2010 8:20pm

5: It is a toxic poisonous mind virus which destroys the hearts immune system against hope and common sense.

From his website.

Now maybe I'm reading this wrong but I think he needs lessons in leaving cert level biology and basic grammar because this suggests that the heart should be immune from Hope and Common sense...

.. a moral stand point he is achieving well it must be said.

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 8:24pm

To be honest, I think this guy is too breathtakingly stupid for even our public to be impressed with him. I think the more publicity he gets, the more comprehensively it will finish him off.

sponsoredwalk · 14-09-2010 8:24pm

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Here's an edited version of the podcast from Moncrieff on Newstalk :

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/560668/Moncrief%20-%20Newstalk%20-%20Interview%20With%20Creationist%20Idiot%20Sean%20Moncrieff.mp3

Not working

sponsoredwalk · 14-09-2010 8:28pm

My favourite is his factoid about babies lack of wrinkles because of the
"water" the baby is immersed in in utero. Somebody needs to tell the
guy that a baby is immersed in Amniotic Fluid and that a simple google search
will show that babies do in fact wrinkle due to amniotic
fluid.

But then again, his anecdotal evidence must be given credence on national
radio in the interest of impartiality and fairness :rolleyes:

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 8:36pm

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Not working

Oh, sorry.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/560668/Moncrief%20-%20Newstalk%20-%20Interview%20With%20Creationist%20Idiot%20John%20May.mp3

That should work.

Will change the original link.

silliegillie · 14-09-2010 8:42pm

I really feel sorry for people who believe in Creationism over evolution, and pitty the poor fools who try to disprove evolution, But there is a lot of them out there and that make me fear Human beings. People really are Dumb therefore proof we where not created by some divine being. If Im made in Gods image then her is one thick, alcoholics, mentally unstable,poor and sexually frustrated entity with an appendix ?(Why Would God have an appendix ? Also he could have done something nicer with my sack than left over elbow skin.

sponsoredwalk · 14-09-2010 9:23pm

Thanks for the link

I still don't understand how a guy whose argument against evolution is:

"Have you ever lived up a tree for a week? Try it!"
&
"People get wrinkles taking a bath, does a newborn baby have wrinkles?"
&
"There were very few tribes before the Sumerians & Babylonians, name them!"
&
"When people try to explain what happened millions of years ago when I have trouble remembering what happened 40 years ago they're waffling".
&
"Francis Collins, the eminent argumentum ad verecundiam leader of the Human Genome Project argumentum ad verecundiam is religious, so there!"
&
"Woo woo Stephen Jay Gould taken out of context woo woo"
&
"Darwin liked shooting birds"
&
"There is no evidence of intermediate fossils"
&
"I don't deal in theories"
&
"If we're related to banana's that's pathetic"
&
"Einstein didn't believe in the big bang"
&
"There may not have been a big bang, we don't know, whatever!"
&
"There is some interesting stuff in the Hebrew wribibletings."
&
"6000 years ago there were no human beings on this planet, the evidence is in my book!"
&
"It satisfies my intellectual curiousity that man was placed here 6000 years ago by a creator. End of Story!
The other theories are not credible. Evidence? Look at your desk Sean, look at the evidence of intelligence,
ergo the universe is intelligent. It's how you see it."
&
"We come from our mothers, the alternative makes no sense whatsoever."

can be given an outlet like national radio to propagate this nonsense

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 9:27pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agl0pOQfs

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 9:30pm

FionnMatthew wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

why did you post that music rape here

robindch · 14-09-2010 9:31pm

May wrote:

"Evolutionists will try to tell you what happened millions of years ago. Now if you try to remember something 40 years ago youd have trouble"

40 years? Didn't stop the gospel authors from scribbling down hundreds of direct quotes.

stevejazzx · 14-09-2010 9:32pm

FionnMatthew wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

That's some of the least evolved linking I've ever seen.

sponsoredwalk · 14-09-2010 9:32pm

FionnMatthew wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbdomlBnJM

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 10:02pm

stevejazzx wrote: »

That's some of the least evolved linking I've ever seen.

fixed, but i see sponsored got there first!

dougla2 wrote:

why did you post that music rape here ?

Motherf*cking magnets, how the **** do they work?

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 10:05pm

FionnMatthew wrote: »

fixed, but i see sponsored got there first!

Motherf*cking magnets, how the **** do they work?

oh ,lol i didnt listen , thats ****ing funny

PDN · 14-09-2010 10:06pm

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I still don't understand how a guy whose argument against evolution is:.....
can be given an outlet like national radio to propagate this nonsense

Probably because of the amount of free publicity he's getting from threads like this.

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 10:08pm

PDN wrote: »

Probably because of the amount of free publicity he's getting from threads like this.

quick someone delete his post its on topic and not against the rules

sponsoredwalk · 14-09-2010 10:10pm

The content of his argument:

"Have you ever lived up a tree for a week? Try it!"
&
"People get wrinkles taking a bath, does a newborn baby have wrinkles?"
&
"There were very few tribes before the Sumerians & Babylonians, name them!"
&
"When people try to explain what happened millions of years ago when I have trouble remembering what happened 40 years ago they're waffling".
&
"Francis Collins, the eminent argumentum ad verecundiam leader of the Human Genome Project argumentum ad verecundiam is religious, so there!"
&
"Woo woo Stephen Jay Gould taken out of context woo woo"
&
"Darwin liked shooting birds"
&
"There is no evidence of intermediate fossils"
&
"I don't deal in theories"
&
"If we're related to banana's that's pathetic"
&
"Einstein didn't believe in the big bang"
&
"There may not have been a big bang, we don't know, whatever!"
&
"There is some interesting scientific stuff in the Hebrew wribibletings."
&
"6000 years ago there were no human beings on this planet, the evidence is in my book!"
&
"It satisfies my intellectual curiousity that man was placed here 6000 years ago by a creator. End of Story!
The other theories are not credible. Evidence? Look at your desk Sean, look at the evidence of intelligence,
ergo the universe is intelligent. It's how you see it."
&
"We come from our mothers, the alternative makes no sense whatsoever."

FionnMatthew · 14-09-2010 10:17pm

Sort of reminds me of this too, in a little way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz_CoLdG1jQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzx8D3E_Pfs

Although reading the comments makes me lose faith in humanity.

Sam Vimes · 14-09-2010 10:18pm

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

The content of his argument:
"Have you ever lived up a tree for a week? Try it!"
&
"People get wrinkles taking a bath, does a newborn baby have wrinkles?"
&
"There were very few tribes before the Sumerians & Babylonians, name them!"
&
"When people try to explain what happened millions of years ago when I have trouble remembering what happened 40 years ago they're waffling".
&
"Francis Collins, the eminent argumentum ad verecundiam leader of the Human Genome Project argumentum ad verecundiam is religious, so there!"
&
"Woo woo Stephen Jay Gould taken out of context woo woo"
&
"Darwin liked shooting birds"
&
"There is no evidence of intermediate fossils"
&
"I don't deal in theories"
&
"If we're related to banana's that's pathetic"
&
"Einstein didn't believe in the big bang"
&
"There may not have been a big bang, we don't know, whatever!"
&
"There is some interesting scientific stuff in the Hebrew wribibletings."
&
"6000 years ago there were no human beings on this planet, the evidence is in my book!"
&
"It satisfies my intellectual curiousity that man was placed here 6000 years ago by a creator. End of Story!
The other theories are not credible. Evidence? Look at your desk Sean, look at the evidence of intelligence,
ergo the universe is intelligent. It's how you see it."
&
"We come from our mothers, the alternative makes no sense whatsoever."

Well I'm sold. I suddenly feel the urge to start typing in multi coloured capital letters and abuse the smiley feature.

robindch · 14-09-2010 10:20pm

PDN wrote: »

Probably because of the amount of free publicity he's getting from threads like this

I'm inclined to think that he's unlikely to sell many copies to anybody on A+A.

Do you have anybody on your side who'd be interested?

PDN · 14-09-2010 10:22pm

robindch wrote: »

I'm inclined to think that he's unlikely to sell many copies to anybody on A+A.

Do you have anybody on your side who'd be interested?

I can think of at least one.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :cool: :pac: :pac:

Dougla2 · 14-09-2010 10:23pm

Mental creationists

sink · 14-09-2010 10:24pm

Out of curiosity I listened to the Moncrieff interview. It's was excruciating, I was shouting at the pc.

Clearly the guy is an idiot suffering delusions of grandeur; a crackpot of the highest order. Particularly revealing was his mentioning of different kinds of science having different answers, as if science is composed of different sects with different beliefs like religion. He patently hasn't the fist f'n clue what science is.

Not that we need more evidence of his astounding ignorance, he doesn't believe in Carbon dating (I guess the same goes for all radiometric dating) which is based on our understanding of the atomic nucleus, the same understanding led us the the technology of nuclear power and atomic bombs to name two obvious examples, I wonder what he makes of them?

To be fair it's not him that makes me really angry, there are a countless number of crackpots out there, we can't all be sane and intelligent. It's the fact that anyone with an ounce of common sense should immediately be able to see him for what he is and should lend him no credence. Such is the bare minimum we should expect from a TD let alone a member of the government, let alone a junior f'n ministers, let alone the junior minister with special responsibility for f'n science. This government are a shower of gombeens.

AAAarrgggh

*bangs head repeatedly off desk*

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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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