2014 Irish National Championships

dna_leri · 17-07-2014 10:58pm

Womens 800 should be good too: Galligan, Crowe, Everard, Mageean, Kirk

sam30 · 18-07-2014 12:21pm

dna_leri wrote: »

Womens 800 should be good too: Galligan, Crowe, Everard, Mageean, Kirk

That is fantastic news. You nearly forget what amazing achievements Mageean had as a junior before injury over the last 2 or 3 years. Surprised Jerry Kiernan hasnt move her up to 5000!!!

likestosmile · 18-07-2014 12:23pm

ecoli wrote: »

15.38 in Lucerne the other night. To best of my knowledge she is being coached by a well known Irish coach (though am not 100% certain of this)[/QUOTE

Only just aware of her departure from Jones now...What happened there?

Here's hoping she makes the big break through on the track this year after all her hard work. She deserves it.

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 4:29pm

sam30 wrote: »

That is fantastic news. You nearly forget what amazing achievements Mageean had as a junior before injury over the last 2 or 3 years. Surprised Jerry Kiernan hasnt move her up to 5000!!!

Give him time :pac:

ecoli · 18-07-2014 4:48pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Give him time :pac:

To be fair hasn't done so with Travers and has actually developed his middle distance skills immensely since he has been with him.

What ever about some of his rants he is one of the top distance coaches in the country at the moment

ecoli · 19-07-2014 3:19pm

Stuck in work today so won't get out to see the action in person until tomorrow so will have to rely on social media

Sarah Treacy with a sub 10 (9.59.74) win int he steeple over Michelle Finn.

Also proper with a 6.27 jump for the win in the long jump

Deano7788 · 19-07-2014 6:24pm

It must have been some finish in the Men's 200, Eanna Madden and David Hynes not able to be separated to both win gold in 21.42.

Chivito550 · 19-07-2014 8:48pm

Didn't get to see very much today. But did catch the final of the women's 200m. Kelly Proper looked very impressive in running 23.2x. Not sure what the wind was but to run that after already running a heat and winning the long jump certainly bodes well for Zurich. I think she has found her best event.

Looking forward to seeing everything tomorrow.

pconn062 · 19-07-2014 9:12pm

Mick Clohisey wins the mens 10,000m in 29:58 I think, great race. He just drove it on and one by one they all dropped off. Fionnuala Britton won the ladies 5,000m in a disappointingly small field (15.38 I think). Kelly Proper was great in the 200m and even better in the long jump. Some good 800m heats, with English jogging a 1.56, and even better 1500m heats really set up a cracking race tomorrow with all the big names making it through comfortably. Great weather today so hoping for more of the same tomorrow.

Condo131 · 19-07-2014 9:19pm

Highlights on RTE 2 tomorrow, Sunday 20th, 18:05-19:30

Timmaay · 19-07-2014 9:38pm

The 8 didn't go to plan for me ha, Mark English jogged a 27sec 1st 200 then crawled the next 200 in 34 to back us all up ha, lads tripping over each other left right and center. Still can't complain, I know I have plenty more in the tank in a more even race.

Chivito550 · 19-07-2014 9:43pm

Results from today: http://www.athleticsirelandenterprises.com/results_19072014/schedule.html

Timmaay wrote: »

The 8 didn't go to plan for me ha, Mark English jogged a 27sec 1st 200 then crawled the next 200 in 34 to back us all up ha, lads tripping over each other left right and center. Still can't complain, I know I have plenty more in the tank in a more even race.

Haha great to get to race against English in any case. I was hoping to get Gregan in my heat but no luck unfortunately. Had Dara Kervick a couple of lanes outside me though, not that I saw him at any point during the race!!

pconn062 · 19-07-2014 10:15pm

Photos from today uploaded to JTG facebook (taken by yours truly, sorry Chivito, had to leave after the women's 5,000m so got none of the 400m heats).

thewolf_ie · 19-07-2014 10:39pm

Where is Freddy the Kenyan in the results? Seen him in the picture wearing a Raheny top????

pconn062 · 19-07-2014 10:44pm

thewolf_ie wrote: »

Where is Freddy the Kenyan in the results? Seen him in the picture wearing a Raheny top????

Dropped out about 2/3rds of the way through.

thewolf_ie · 19-07-2014 10:55pm

pconn062 wrote: »

Dropped out about 2/3rds of the way through.

Is that the DIS in the results then?

Timmaay · 19-07-2014 11:43pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Results from today: http://www.athleticsirelandenterprises.com/results_19072014/schedule.html

Took me about 20mins of searching around the AAIs new "mobile friendly" website using my phone for them bloody results earlier ha! I should have just come here!

the_real_lamp · 20-07-2014 4:58pm

Ciara Mageean returns to win the 1500m title. 4.15:34. Great stuff.

Tom Barr 50.04 to win the 400mh.

TRR · 20-07-2014 5:19pm

Olionaird wins the 1500 in 3.43 out kicking Robinson. All 4 lads with QT bunched with lap to go. Great race

walshb · 20-07-2014 6:29pm

English is a beautiful mover!

Chivito550 · 20-07-2014 6:45pm

Some great stuff today. Highlight for me was seeing Ciara Mageean back running well, and to see how delighted she was afterwards.

Men's 1500m was a cracker. It bodes well for Zurich.

Some great races in the sprints, particularly the women's 400 and women's 100. The 3 false starts in the men's was painful to watch though.

The 800s were a bit on the dull side. English jogged a 1:49, and the women's was a glorified 200m.

walshb · 20-07-2014 6:54pm

A runner in the 110 hurdles got a yellow card for unsportsmanlike behaviour. I never heard of that before. The panellists didn't discuss it. Anyone know what he did?

Cringe interview with Davis, the 100 metre winner. He could have cost himself the title with that jump on the line. Both given 10.9, but to me Davis looked a fraction ahead there.

Have to agree with Kiernan. I too thought that Healy nipped the 100m race from Foster. How accurate is the timing?

Sacksian · 20-07-2014 7:26pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Highlight for me was seeing Ciara Mageean back running well, and to see how delighted she was afterwards.

Men's 1500m was a cracker. It bodes well for Zurich.

Some great races in the sprints, particularly the women's 400 and women's 100. The 3 false starts in the men's was painful to watch though.

The 800s were a bit on the dull side. English jogged a 1:49, and the women's was a glorified 200m.

+4

Fairly much how today was for me too!

I thought Ciara Mageean looked brilliant on the last lap, she has a really smooth running style. A little surprised they gave CO'L athlete of the meet but delighted for him that he's back from injury. I think the selectors have to go with the first 3 in the 1500.

I was down near the start of the 100s and they were very clear false starts, apart from possibly the first.

I think the first lap in the women's 800 was a 68!

nerraw1111 · 20-07-2014 7:33pm

Some great races. Rte's coverage was decent. Should be on the rte player later.

Interesting interview with the winner of the 100 metres. Said he decided only to run that morning.

pconn062 · 20-07-2014 8:44pm

Great day today, highlights for me were the two 1500m races, and the men's 5,000m races. Was tough seeing Christie get beat after doing the work the whole way through. Bloody hot though, had no sunscreen and got a little fried!

Murph_D · 20-07-2014 8:45pm

Decent enough coverage I thought. Peter Collins addressing joint Women's 100m winners Amy Foster and Phil Healy as "girls" was a bit primitive though.

runjb · 20-07-2014 8:53pm

A good championships, best in a number of years and the crowds reflected the interest drummed up beforehand.

Very impressed by the two 1500m winners. Great to see Ciara back and the pace she closed that final lap shows us she has a lot in her legs.

In one way disappointing that we had a 'joint' first placing in the women's 100m today. I would have thought with all the technology available that these were a thing of the past but I guess they still do happen from time to time. Two in the one weekend though may have been pushing the mathematical probabilities a little!! It was a thrilling race none the less. Healy scooped a very good PB in the process.

Mark English seemed very comfortable and should hopefully now do well in Zurich.

Jerry and Ailis both good on the rte round up there.

runjb · 20-07-2014 8:54pm

RTE link: http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2014/0720/632010-athletics/

Caprica · 20-07-2014 10:55pm

Was impressed with the RTE coverage, though Jerry and Ailish worked well together.

Very impressive performance by Mageegan, that was a very comfortable 4.15, she was full of running on the last lap. Britton seems to have rounded into shape nicely, I was a bit worried with her early season performances but a solo 15.39 in the 5k and a decent second in the 1,500 sets up her for a good performance in Zurich. Was also impressed with Mc Cambridge, hopefully she runs well in Zurich.

Hard to believe that there were 4 guys with the Euro standard in the 1500. O'Lionard looked very easy, he should do well in Zurich. I guess they will go with the Top 3 guys, Travers dug in well in the home straight, I thought Mc Carthy had him but he fought back.

I though Kevin Batt in the 5k looked good, definitely had a lot more in him, he would have been well capable of a 13.40. English looked very easy in the 800, Barr very strong in the 400H. What did happen in the Men's 110H for Fouroughi to get a yellow card for unsportsmanlike behaviour?

What is the story with the relays? The top 16 teams are going to be invited based on the aggregrate of their two best times. Per the current seasons best lists all bar the Womens 4*400 are top 16, it would be great to see the 3 squads getting invited.

We have a pretty decent squad, hopefully we will have a few finalists, with Heffernan (a cert) and English and Barr in the running for medals.

walshb · 21-07-2014 9:30am

A runner in the 110 hurdles got a yellow card for unsportsmanlike behaviour. I never heard of that before. The panellists didn't discuss it. Anyone know what he did?

Anyone?

likestosmile · 21-07-2014 2:35pm

Selection for the European are announced. Athlete, distance and coach provided. Chris Jones is still down as F. Brittons coach contrary to comments above. Well done to everyone selected and their teams.

runjb · 21-07-2014 2:38pm

As far as I know, Fionnuala has gone back to Chris Jones as her coach. It happened a couple of weeks ago.

Chivito550 · 21-07-2014 11:41pm

Just watched the RTE coverage of Nationals. Pretty decent it has to be said. Although I was disappointed they didn't do a round up of other events from day 2 like they did for day 1. No day 2 field event got any mention, and they omitted the women's 400m which was a cracking race.

Also, a lot of people here complain about the BBC or Eurosport, but the commentators on those channels really know their stuff. The likes of Cram, Hutchins, Storey etc are all very clued in. Very impressed with Andrew Cotter of late also who is more known for his golf commentary. George Hamilton may be a great voice of Irish sport but he is well and truly out of his depth when it comes to athletics!

TRR · 22-07-2014 8:14am

Murph_D wrote: »

Decent enough coverage I thought. Peter Collins addressing joint Women's 100m winners Amy Foster and Phil Healy as "girls" was a bit primitive though.

Totally agree and was very disappointed with Ailis McSweeney referring to the field of the men's 1500 as "lads".

walshb · 22-07-2014 9:02am

TRR wrote: »

was very disappointed with Ailis McSweeney referring to the field of the men's 1500 as "lads".

You messing?

yizorselves · 22-07-2014 11:29am

Totally uncalled for by Mr Collins. I mean where is it going to stop? Be calling them burds and chung fella's next!

Wont somebody think of the children!!

Primitive me howl

Oregano_State · 22-07-2014 11:38am

Yeah George Hamilton was all over the place. When Gregan won he was convinced he'd run 45.58 instead of 46.58 and started going mad saying it was an unbelievable performance, then no mention of his mistake seconds later when reading out the correct results on screen.

Had a grand little chuckle to myself over it. It suits me just fine to watch the BBC coverage of the Europeans. Crammy and co. are fine by me.

Also, Jamie Davis' interview after winning the 100m was quality!

yizorselves · 22-07-2014 11:39am

Bag o'cans ha

Gandalph · 22-07-2014 1:14pm

It's a bad day when 10.9 seconds wins your national 100m.

Oregano_State · 22-07-2014 1:31pm

Gandalph wrote: »

It's a bad day when 10.9 seconds wins your national 100m.

That completely ignores the circumstances. 2014 is the best year ever in Irish Sprinting when it comes to strength in depth.

We've 18 men that have gone under 10.9 so far this year.

Gandalph · 22-07-2014 1:39pm

Oregano_State wrote: »

That completely ignores the circumstances. 2014 is the best year ever in Irish Sprinting when it comes to strength in depth.

We've 18 men that have gone under 10.9 so far this year.

I don't doubt it, seen a lot of talent around recently but I'm sorry, 10.9 is a piss poor nationals standard, you really can't deny that. It would of only got 3rd in the schools and only barely.

Billy Mills · 22-07-2014 1:47pm

Oregano_State wrote: »

That completely ignores the circumstances. 2014 is the best year ever in Irish Sprinting when it comes to strength in depth.

We've 18 men that have gone under 10.9 so far this year.

No it doesn't. 10.9 for 100m as a national championship time is shocking. There is no depth in terms of international quality because there is no one who is anywhere close in the 100 and 200- the guys literally aren't anywhere near world standard times. How many under 10.5?

Chivito550 · 22-07-2014 1:50pm

Billy Mills wrote: »

No it doesn't. 10.9 for 100m as a national championship time is shocking. There is no depth in terms of international quality because there is no one who is anywhere close in the 100 and 200- the guys literally aren't anywhere near world standard times. How many under 10.5?

I'd personally be more concerned about the field events. One participant going to Zurich (European level, not even world level) out of 18 field events is a complete joke!

ecoli · 22-07-2014 2:09pm

Billy Mills wrote: »

No it doesn't. 10.9 for 100m as a national championship time is shocking. There is no depth in terms of international quality because there is no one who is anywhere close in the 100 and 200- the guys literally aren't anywhere near world standard times. How many under 10.5?

Look at the context

Top Sprinter this year was not there

#2 was not able to compete

Joint #3 were DQ'ed in final away competing at WJC this week

#5 competed in 400m (and medalled)

#6 was DQ'ed in heats

#7 is at WJC

Looking down the list in fact of the top 15 on this years rankings 1 prior to this weekend actually ran and finished the final without a DQ and that was after a doubling with the 200 in a relatively condense weekend (heat a final both days plus relays) and equalled 10.9 in final for second

dna_leri · 22-07-2014 2:18pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

I'd personally be more concerned about the field events. One participant going to Zurich (European level, not even world level) out of 18 field events is a complete joke!

I think in both sprints and field events the under-age talent is there but whether the coaching and structures are in place to bring them through is questionable.

Among the 11 gold medals at the weekend's schools international, there were 2 championship record performances in the throws, with 2 other golds in the jumps. Also given the poor show at Euro team champs we should not be surprised not to be represented at Zurich, how the emerging talent is managed will decide future participation at this level.

Oregano_State · 22-07-2014 2:25pm

Billy Mills wrote: »

No it doesn't. 10.9 for 100m as a national championship time is shocking. There is no depth in terms of international quality because there is no one who is anywhere close in the 100 and 200- the guys literally aren't anywhere near world standard times. How many under 10.5?

Who said anything about World Standard times?

Looking at it in isolation yes 10.9 is a shocking time for a national championship, I didn't say that it wasn't.

What that doesn't do is take into account that there were a number of high-profile DQs, including the favourite, as well as two of our other top guys being away at the World Juniors (competing in the 200m no less), and the race was into a headwind, and pretty much everyone ran faster in the heats, with Fahey and Davis setting PBs.

In the past 20 years Ireland have had exactly one athlete capable of competing at European level in the 100m or 200m, and he just retired this year.

We now have a large number of guys under the age of 20 coming through, way more than ever before, getting PBs regularly and increasing the level of competition and yet the best some people can come up with is slagging the overall standard for being not good enough. With the numbers we have now running under 10.9, next year that becomes 10.8, with a couple going sub 10.5, the following year we'll have people targeting 10.3, and after that you're getting into top class sprinting. It's a case of looking at the big picture with the numbers and age-profile of the guys we have now. Look at the numbers of records set in the schools this year for proof of the rising standards.

The simple fact is that sprinting in Ireland has never been better, standards have never been higher, and being negative on the internet about one slow race is not going to change that.

walshb · 22-07-2014 3:45pm

As posted, the time of 10.9 is only half the story! Maybe he should dress up. Might get a medal in the women's race!

doctorchick · 27-07-2014 11:29pm

walshb wrote: »

Have to agree with Kiernan. I too thought that Healy nipped the 100m race from Foster. How accurate is the timing?

and

runjb wrote: »

In one way disappointing that we had a 'joint' first placing in the women's 100m today. I would have thought with all the technology available that these were a thing of the past but I guess they still do happen from time to time. Two in the one weekend though may have been pushing the mathematical probabilities a little!! It was a thrilling race none the less. Healy scooped a very good PB in the process.

TV camera was not positioned exactly on the finish line - it had to be moved forward slightly of the line (about 12 inches) to allow for the photofinish cameras to have a clear view of all 10 lanes as all 10 were being used for finals and so TV pictures would not give anything like the accuracy of the photofinish cameras.

Electronic timing is deadly accurate. In both dead heats not only were the two sets of athletes given the same time in hundredths but they could not be separated by thousandths. That aside, the point at which both athletes in the two finals crossed the line was exact to the pixel on the photofinish picture. The cameras are aligned to the very leading edge of the finish line, and that is where the picture is taken and read. Not only that but there were three cameras in use, two from the stadium side at slightly different heights and one in field (on the big white pole). All three cameras gave exactly the same result - dead heat, athletes could not be separated.

I have been involved in athletics for over 35 years and I cannot ever remember this happening before, and I imagine it won't be seen again for a long time. However I can assure you the gear is accurate and the dead heats were real events.

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