For people who like REAL HIP HOP

Strange_Fruit · 04-01-2007 10:18pm #1

I just thought id make this thread for people who listen to the real stuff out there.I know i dont have the right to say what is and isn't hip hop but quite frankly im sick of reading how game made 2 classic albums,or how lil wayne is the best lyricist ever.So i made this thread so we can converse

Recommend any Music you think we may enjoy,because theres lots of stuff out there we let pass us by everyday(Ive recently just discovered Tanya Morgan,check them out very good!)

And please,If your goin to come into this thread and argue how G-Unit are real gangsta's and true hip hop,jump out in front of a bus before you post!

So ill get the ball rolling.....Common!His discography is crazy!If you think BE is a good album,check out ressurection,his style has changed alot since back then,but its still a great album!

streetryder · 05-01-2007 12:18am

yeh im wit ya. im into more of de true rappers, not 50 cent and de game there nothin. im into DMX, LL COOL J, JA RULE, METHOD MAN, RED MAN, TUPAC. theses are true rappers, came from de ghetto and still from de ghetto

Strange_Fruit · 05-01-2007 12:49am

streetryder wrote:

theses are true rappers, came from de ghetto and still from de ghetto

yeh but you know you dont have to be from the "Ghetto" to make rap music.

listen to this song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7X0q2q1JJY

streetryder · 05-01-2007 12:53am

i know. i just said that thats were they came from, but most good rappers do

streetryder · 05-01-2007 12:58am

cool song, good lyrics and beat. thats wat i call hip hop, if only it was still like that. hip hop has changes so much

Kold · 05-01-2007 2:49am

How has Ja Rule got any credibility whatsoever? This is the worst thread ever, I've never seen L'il Wayne toted as the best lyricist in this forum. Real Hip Hop is one thing but what's so real about talking ebonics on an Irish forum?

Umaro · 05-01-2007 6:40am

^Playa-hater

spacecoyote · 05-01-2007 8:22am

Umaro wrote:

^Playa-hater

LOL

Yeah though, I think you'll find the whole G-Unit are sh1te thing has been done to death on this forum at this stage. We all know 50 is a mumbling eejit. And tbh if you have a look through this forum, theres a whole host of threads talking about "real" hip hop if you so wish to refer to it as such.

And I think you'll find that Tupac is not still from the ghetto, he now raps from under the soil of a farm in Lumberton, North Carolina. That don't sound soooo ghetto beeotch

elshambo · 05-01-2007 2:18pm

spacecoyote wrote:

LOL

And I think you'll find that Tupac is not still from the ghetto, he now raps from under the soil of a farm in Lumberton, North Carolina. That don't sound soooo ghetto beeotch

Nasty, Tupac never was the ghetto thug he made out to be was he? Nice boy from a rough area, dance student, meets his producer and becomes ganstaa, Diddy much the same, diddy was a middle class boy who bought a street persona at a fashion show, much like half the irish people who listen to, tupac or 50cent and his cronies

Ive seen Aesop Rock slagged off on these forums, but he a lot more HipHop than fiddy and his trainer selling GUnit mates

As for DMX and his ilke,aint got no flow, a rapper with no flow aint a rapper he's a shouter, which is fine unless all they shout about is how good a rapper they are ;D

Strange_Fruit · 05-01-2007 3:05pm

Kold wrote:

How has Ja Rule got any credibility whatsoever? This is the worst thread ever, I've never seen L'il Wayne toted as the best lyricist in this forum. Real Hip Hop is one thing but what's so real about talking ebonics on an Irish forum?

well theres alot of other forums that worship that bitch..

look just drop some good advice on artists you feel others should check out,and what i meant by that ws,dont drop **** like biggy - life after death.Go along the lines of Erikah Badu - Baduism

Executive Steve · 05-01-2007 6:07pm

psyche origami - check out "commercial property"

dj format - "music for the mature b-boy"

dj krush - "meiso" [yeah it's over a decade old so what]

skinnyman - council estate of mind [good album, bit heavy on the skits, but the ****s are all sampled off "made in britain" which was a savage movie back in the day and the title track is a uk hip hop classic imo]

Orizio · 05-01-2007 6:52pm

Tupac used to dance in costumes with Digital Underground and Dre used to dress in drag.Surely they were the first two gay rappers.Pioneers in Hip-Hop if you will.;)

Orizio · 05-01-2007 6:58pm

spacecoyote wrote:

LOL

Yeah though, I think you'll find the whole G-Unit are sh1te thing has been done to death on this forum at this stage. We all know 50 is a mumbling eejit. And tbh if you have a look through this forum, theres a whole host of threads talking about "real" hip hop if you so wish to refer to it as such.

And I think you'll find that Tupac is not still from the ghetto, he now raps from under the soil of a farm in Lumberton, North Carolina. That don't sound soooo ghetto beeotch

TBH 50 speaks better then most MC's out there.

To the original threadstarter,check out some old Coup and Outkast.Like ATLiens, Aquamini,Steal This Album etc.

Strange_Fruit · 06-01-2007 8:47pm

[cm]tyranny wrote:

skinnyman - council estate of mind

Great album,its like the illmatic from england

another album to check for Gang Starr daily operation.I know most of the hip hop heads will have heard this years ago but some people might no know about it.Anyway,give it a listen!

Umaro · 06-01-2007 9:47pm

We all know 50 is a mumbling eejit.

He's actually a pretty smart businessman and is surprisingly self-aware for someone you'd expect to be surrounded by yes-men. You won't rise to the top of the game purely off talent.

soloparadox · 07-01-2007 4:58pm

streetryder wrote:

yeh im wit ya. im into more of de true rappers, not 50 cent and de game there nothin. im into DMX, LL COOL J, JA RULE, METHOD MAN, RED MAN, TUPAC. theses are true rappers, came from de ghetto and still from de ghetto

lmao LL Cool J is from the suburbs and has never tried to hide this fact, Ja Rule was also from a relatively opulent area. You seem to be greatly misguided.

Endurance Man · 07-01-2007 9:42pm

Just flicking through some of my old school beats, Tony Touch, Tony Toka, Assinisits, Dead Prez, check them out :].

Endurance Man · 07-01-2007 9:50pm

Edit: Second thought, that might not be allowed.

Check out Pharoahe Monch, very cool.

Peyton Manning · 07-01-2007 9:56pm

Big L > Your Favourite Rapper

Endurance Man · 07-01-2007 9:58pm

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=44158235 Good old school beat, we used to kill the MOP **** at house partys.

me and the biz · 08-01-2007 1:49am

seeing that in your sig makes me tear up a little bit Endurance man

Endurance Man · 08-01-2007 2:16am

me and the biz wrote:

seeing that in your sig makes me tear up a little bit Endurance man

Whats that ?

Colin Mac · 08-01-2007 8:31pm

elshambo wrote:

Nasty, Tupac never was the ghetto thug he made out to be was he? Nice boy from a rough area, dance student, meets his producer and becomes ganstaa,

Tupac was the truest, most respected rapper that ever lived who never made himself out to be anything he wasn't.

soloparadox · 08-01-2007 10:29pm

Colin Mac wrote:

Tupac was the truest, most respected rapper that ever lived who never made himself out to be anything he wasn't.

Tupac was never the compton blood that he portrayed himself as during his death row days, he was a Harlem kid who went to arts schools through his teens. I'm not saying that the guy didn't suffer poverty or hard times but he was never the gangbanging thug that Sug made him out to be.

Colin Mac · 08-01-2007 10:49pm

soloparadox wrote:

Tupac was never the compton blood that he portrayed himself as during his death row days, he was a Harlem kid who went to arts schools through his teens. I'm not saying that the guy didn't suffer poverty or hard times but he was never the gangbanging thug that Sug made him out to be.

Like I said, Tupac never claimed to be something he wasn't. And big deal if he studied arts, does it matter? Also, Tupac never claimed to be a blood.

Orizio · 08-01-2007 11:46pm

Please people lets leave the gang bull**** out of this thread.

Its just...depressing.

soloparadox · 10-01-2007 1:50am

Colin Mac wrote:

Like I said, Tupac never claimed to be something he wasn't. And big deal if he studied arts, does it matter? Also, Tupac never claimed to be a blood.

Like i said he portrayed himself as a gangster and parroted thug life, he claimed to be a thug, he was not, therefor he claimed to be something he was not.....

soloparadox · 10-01-2007 1:56am

Orizio wrote:

Please people lets leave the gang bull**** out of this thread.

Its just...depressing.

Tupac wore red, hung with bloods and helped sug beat on crips. This is a fact, im just saying he was not the gangster he made himself out to be. I would like if you could elaborate on "The gang bull****" because it seems to me that you are in some way infering that im going to start an argument as to which L.A gang is superior, which if you cared to read my posts, is far from the case.

Colin Mac · 10-01-2007 2:44am

soloparadox wrote:

Like i said he portrayed himself as a gangster and parroted thug life, he claimed to be a thug, he was not, therefor he claimed to be something he was not.....

Thug Life as defined by Tupac meant somebody who has got nothing, that's what Thug meant to Tupac, he said that himself. Your argument is stupid though, ask yourself why is that as soon as Tupac was mentioned as being a good rapper, you jump in to argue on how he wasn't a ganster? Have you not noticed that virtually every rapper in this thread claims to be a ganster?
Or are they all worthy of it, unlike Tupac.

Orizio · 10-01-2007 9:41am

soloparadox wrote:

Tupac wore red, hung with bloods and helped sug beat on crips. This is a fact, im just saying he was not the gangster he made himself out to be. I would like if you could elaborate on "The gang bull****" because it seems to me that you are in some way infering that im going to start an argument as to which L.A gang is superior, which if you cared to read my posts, is far from the case.

I know thats not what you said.I'm not infering anything, I just don't see the merit of any discussion about Tupac's credentials.Don't you ever get sick of such discussions popping up in Hip-Hop?

Colin Mac wrote:

Have you not noticed that virtually every rapper in this thread claims to be a ganster?

This is far from true in fairness.Common,P Monch,Aesop's Rock etc have all been mentioned and don't seem to affiliate themselves with gangs.

spacecoyote · 10-01-2007 10:16am

good point Oriz, apart from Tupac, which of the artists mentioned thus far, of which theres only been about 10, have gang affiliations?

But getting back on topic, for the Wu-Tang fans, of which there seems to be a few around at the mo, check out I AM, they're a french hip-hop group, with a similar kinda sound, pretty good stuff.

Also get your hands on Blazing Arrow by Blackalicious, Common's earlier material (last two albums are his worst imo), some Edan (Primitive Plus and Beauty & The Beat are both nice), either of the Handsome Boy Modelling School albums, MC Paul Barman, Mos Def, Opio, Organized Konfusion, Pharoahe Monch (if you can get your hands on Internal Affairs, its a classic), Ugly Duckling.

That'll do for now!

soloparadox · 10-01-2007 10:49am

Colin Mac wrote:

Thug Life as defined by Tupac meant somebody who has got nothing, that's what Thug meant to Tupac, he said that himself. Your argument is stupid though, ask yourself why is that as soon as Tupac was mentioned as being a good rapper, you jump in to argue on how he wasn't a ganster? Have you not noticed that virtually every rapper in this thread claims to be a ganster?
Or are they all worthy of it, unlike Tupac.

No you said that he never made himself out to be something that he wasn't, like i pointed out he did. I have never heard tupac give this definition of thug and even if he did he is in no position to define the word. Bottom line, he called himself a thug, he was not, therefor he made himself out to be something that he was not.

soloparadox · 10-01-2007 10:52am

Orizio wrote:

I know thats not what you said.I'm not infering anything, I just don't see the merit of any discussion about Tupac's credentials.Don't you ever get sick of such discussions popping up in Hip-Hop?

Kind of, but not as sick of as i am of people with delusions of grandeur regarding tupac.......

ghostdancer · 10-01-2007 12:11pm

soloparadox wrote:

I have never heard tupac give this definition of thug and even if he did he is in no position to define the word. Bottom line, he called himself a thug, he was not, therefor he made himself out to be something that he was not.

and what qualifies someone as a "thug" in your eyes?
selling drugs? going to jail? shooting 2 police officers? beating up a gang member?

they all seem pretty Thug-ish to me....

although that's not really relevant as that isn't in anyway as what he defined a thug or ThugLife as.
perhaps you should read up on tupac's definition of "thug life" as you don't really seem to have a clue.

As detailed in the film Tupac: Resurrection the concept of "Thug Life" was viewed by Shakur as a philosophy for life. Shakur developed the word into an acronym standing for "The Hate U Gave Little Infants ****s Everybody." He declared that the dictionary definition of a "thug" as being a rogue or criminal was not how he used the term, but rather he meant someone who came from oppressive or squalid background and little opportunity but still made a life for themselves and were proud.

"I didn't create Thug Life, I diagnosed it." - Tupac Shakur.

Thug Life became a calling card for how Shakur viewed his influence on society. He had people from all walks of life -- criminals in jail, white kids in the suburbs, poor black kids in the ghetto -- wanting to know how they could be a part of his movement. Shakur admitted this sudden power he had over people frightened him. But he used the idea of Thug Life to transform the desires of these people into something he viewed as positive, a way to reach out to the poor, the disenfranchised, and the oppressed. Gang members instituted what was called the Thug Life Code of Ethics, and gangs from New York to Chicago to Los Angeles claimed to abide by it. Examples of the rules in this Code of Ethics were that civilians were not to be targets in gang warfare, and that children in schools should not be indoctrinated by gang propaganda.

Shakur's philosophy of Thug Life was met with harsh criticism from most of the leaders in government and politics, including many notables in the black community.

ghostdancer · 10-01-2007 12:15pm

soloparadox wrote:

Tupac was never the compton blood that he portrayed himself as during his death row days, he was a Harlem kid who went to arts schools through his teens. I'm not saying that the guy didn't suffer poverty or hard times but he was never the gangbanging thug that Sug made him out to be.

i'd love if you could provide a source for where Tupac claimed he was a member of a Blood gang from Compton.
thanks.

also, while you're at it, if you could provide a few examples of where Suge details Tupac's gangbanging activities, it would be appreciated.

Colin Mac · 10-01-2007 8:29pm

spacecoyote wrote:

which of the artists mentioned thus far, of which theres only been about 10, have gang affiliations?

Ja Rule and DMX have claimed to be thug.... point is, hip hop is full of it.

soloparadox wrote:

No you said that he never made himself out to be something that he wasn't, like i pointed out he did. I have never heard tupac give this definition of thug and even if he did he is in no position to define the word. Bottom line, he called himself a thug, he was not, therefor he made himself out to be something that he was not.

If you plan on convincing anyone that they should accept that Tupac wasn't a thug and for this to reach a logical conclusion, you're to going to have to do more than just simply say so. You still haven't made an argument, other than Tupac studied arts (which of course is meaningless to whether he was or not) and that he helped a blood beat up a crip..... which really only contradicted your reasons for having the opinion you do have on this matter .

fatjose101 · 10-01-2007 9:22pm

streetryder wrote:

yeh im wit ya. im into more of de true rappers, not 50 cent and de game there nothin. im into DMX, LL COOL J, JA RULE, METHOD MAN, RED MAN, TUPAC. theses are true rappers, came from de ghetto and still from de ghetto

JA RULE AND LL COLL J AIN'T FROM "THE GHETTO".
SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LISTEN TO HIP HOP, LISTEN TO ATCQ,COMMON,
BIGGIE,NAS,PUBLIC ENEMY,NWA, ECT..................

NOT JA RULE ......

astraboy · 11-01-2007 5:03am

Public Enemy and Dead Prez both very good. I like a lot of stuff that woud be considered old skool.

phenomenon · 11-01-2007 1:29pm

If you are looking for "real" hip hop (as the thread title says) then check out Immortal Technique - Revolution Vol 1 & 2. You won't find these lying in your local HMV though as he is still technically underground. I bought them from the internet and I have to say he's pretty good. The albums can sound a bit "samey" in the middle but the original topics he covers, along with a superb flow, make it a worthwhile purchase.

Also check out Dead Prez as mentioned above. Personlly I've become a fan.

ghostdancer · 11-01-2007 2:57pm

Immortal Technique is most certainly not underground.
and you'll easily find them in HMV's around dublin city.

i'd imagine most people on here have heard/own Immortal Technique and Dead Prez......bar the recent lot of Fat Joe/DMX/LL Cool J fans that seem to have cropped up...

Orizio · 11-01-2007 4:25pm

ghostdancer wrote:

Immortal Technique is most certainly not underground.
and you'll easily find them in HMV's around dublin city.

i'd imagine most people on here have heard/own Immortal Technique and Dead Prez......bar the recent lot of Fat Joe/DMX/LL Cool J fans that seem to have cropped up...

Yeah IT is one of the better known underground artists, and his stuff is easy to get even down south.

The Coup are the **** when it comes to political Hip-Hop - Dead Prez and IT don't even compare.

Kold · 11-01-2007 9:36pm

I asked PLUGD to order me in the 2 Revolutionary albums n they never called me

Although I don't have much cash at the mo so I won't remind 'em..

Native Tongue · 13-01-2007 3:37pm

For those who want to hear some good hip-hop, I recommend the following albums (some of them are new enough, others older)...this is far from an exhaustive list, so don't bite my head off if I haven't mentioned certain albums.

A.G. - Get Dirty Radio
Afu-Ra - State Of The Arts
AZ - The Format
Black Sheep - 8WM/Novokane
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
CL Smooth - American Me
Consequence - A Tribe Called Quence Mixtape
Defari - Street Music
Devin The Dude - To Tha X-treme
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
Gang Starr - Moment Of Truth
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Hi-Tek - Hi-Teknology 2: The Chip
J Dilla - The Shining
KRS-One - Return Of The Boom Bap
Main Source - Breaking Atoms
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca & The Soul Brother (my favourite of all time)
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Rasco - Time Waits For No Man
The Roots - The Tipping Point
Sadat X - Black October
Scarface - Greatest Hits
Showbiz & A.G. - Runaway Slave
Skyzoo & 9th Wonder - Cloud 9: The 3 Day High

JATOH · 14-01-2007 4:58pm

50 Cent Is The Best Rapper Living
2pac Is The Best Rapper Ever

spacecoyote · 16-01-2007 8:45am

Picked up the latest Doctor Octagon - The Return Of... at the weekend, and i'm really lovin it after the 1st listen. May be being a little hasty, but i'm gonna throw it out there....Better than the original!!!

Makaveli · 16-01-2007 2:27pm

That's not an official album and for the most part it's muck. Farmed out beats that have been mastered by producers Kool Keith never met. He never wanted these songs released and a lot of it is not new material. It's not really Dr. Octagon anyway because Dan The Automator isn't on the album at all.

Project Polaroid and Nogatco Rd. were official Kool Keith releases from 2006 and are far better than The Return of, which doesn't even come close to Dr. Ocatgynecoligist imo.

spacecoyote · 16-01-2007 2:53pm

was wondering about that, i didn't see the automators name mentioned anywhere alright. Theres definitely some filler on there alright, but i'm likin some of the tracks.

Didn't realise twas an unofficial album

Makaveli · 16-01-2007 3:35pm

Well it's official in the sense that it's a proper retail, it just never got the blessing of Kool Keith. It was all a bit underhanded.

RBY5 · 06-02-2007 3:27pm

Native Tongue wrote:

For those who want to hear some good hip-hop, I recommend the following albums (some of them are new enough, others older)...this is far from an exhaustive list, so don't bite my head off if I haven't mentioned certain albums.

A.G. - Get Dirty Radio
Afu-Ra - State Of The Arts
AZ - The Format
Black Sheep - 8WM/Novokane
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
CL Smooth - American Me
Consequence - A Tribe Called Quence Mixtape
Defari - Street Music
Devin The Dude - To Tha X-treme
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
Gang Starr - Moment Of Truth
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Hi-Tek - Hi-Teknology 2: The Chip
J Dilla - The Shining
KRS-One - Return Of The Boom Bap
Main Source - Breaking Atoms
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca & The Soul Brother (my favourite of all time)
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Rasco - Time Waits For No Man
The Roots - The Tipping Point
Sadat X - Black October
Scarface - Greatest Hits
Showbiz & A.G. - Runaway Slave
Skyzoo & 9th Wonder - Cloud 9: The 3 Day High

Good Call.
May I also suggest:
Black Moon - Enta da Stage
Smif n Wessun - Dah Shinning
MASTA ACE - Slaughtahouse
Jeru tha Damaga - the sun rises in the east
Channel Live - Station Identification

rcaz · 08-02-2007 5:43pm

I'm pretty new to hip-hop, but I'm agreeing with the stuff that's been mentioned.

I first got into it with N.W.A., bit gimmicky?
I'm really liking De La Soul and Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, and a bit of The Roots.

I heard All That I Got is You by Ghostface Killah the other day, absolutely loved it, I was wondering if much of his stuff is along those lines? String samples and choirs and the like.

Cheers.

Orizio · 08-02-2007 11:30pm

El Pr0n wrote:

I'm pretty new to hip-hop, but I'm agreeing with the stuff that's been mentioned.

I first got into it with N.W.A., bit gimmicky?
I'm really liking De La Soul and Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, and a bit of The Roots.

I heard All That I Got is You by Ghostface Killah the other day, absolutely loved it, I was wondering if much of his stuff is along those lines? String samples and choirs and the like.

Cheers.

No basically.Although Supreme Clientele is an excellent album.If you haven't gotten Game Theory, Things Fall Apart and DYWM??!??? then I suggest you do.I'm sure you'll like A Tribe Called Quest's first three albums as well,same kinda sound as De La Soul.Oh and Souls Of Mischief's classic debut, which had Del on it.

AllMusicGuide is an excellent place to look for good Hip-Hop reviews.

For people who like REAL HIP HOP

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