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Can FF acutally manage to recover and become a major force in Irish Politics?

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  • #102
    SEEMagazine
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SEEMagazine


    Like any party, or group, FF has its good eggs, and its bad. Just because the National Party nearly bankrupted us does not automatically tarnish FF members individually. FF voters, and their grassroots element, alone cannot put a FF government in place. For this to happen they need the 'floating voter' to become disaffected with the current lot.

    Now, while 'Inda' & Co. have clearly backtracked on many of their election promises I would have to think *any* voter quite mad to use that as an excuse to defect back to Micky Martin's lot.

    There's a way for FF to restructure, but since I've never voted for them I'll refrain from saying how.


  • #103
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I was watching The Week in Politics on RTE One some time ago on the report regarding FF?

    How does Michael McGrath finds it difficult to know answering about Bertie Ahern being a member of FF or not?

    I mean, the current communications policy that FF has is generally woeful to a degree after they were; to put it mildly, been given a big K.O. for last year's GE preformance. How can they address that problem is certainly one for them and the public to decide what they want to do with them. Surely, they would not be very surprised if they went out after the local elections IMO.

    If they had a new leader BTW, Michael Martin should be replaced with John McGuinness (The Chair of the PAC), he would be most definitely, in my words; a reforming leader of the party. He should have contested the leadership at the first opportunity IMO.

    Now, I never met the man myself because he is not in my constituency; however, he is does seem very credible to ousting the likes of Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen to the banished books of history.

    He has the bottle and sheer determination to give them a good fight when it is/was needed before.

    http://johnmcguinness.ie/mcguinness-shows-no-fear-taking-on-rotten-to-the-core-civil-service

    What he said about the public servants that are deemed as 'Toxic' in his opinion is most definitely right; I don't think that his philosophy will never change about him

    And you know what; this is what I like about him and I don't think that my admiration for him will change either.


  • #104
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    How does Michael McGrath finds it difficult to know answering about Bertie Ahern being a member of FF or not?

    Their membership list is obviously screwed up - sure they weren't clear whether Seán G was a member or not either.

    Basically - avoiding answering straightforward questions ensures that they can feign deniability later when the long-awaited Mahon Tribunal comes out.


  • #105
    DJCR
    Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭DJCR


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Their membership list is obviously screwed up - sure they weren't clear whether Seán G was a member or not either.

    Basically - avoiding answering straightforward questions ensures that they can feign deniability later when the long-awaited Mahon Tribunal comes out.

    Sean Gallagher was a member, not only that but he was a member of the Ard Comhairle and also spoke at an Ogra Fianna Fail Summer event. Not only that but he was implicated in a non scandle for picking up donations to Fianna Fail (In an envelope no less - god forbid they use a box).

    Also the fact the FF has been free to join over the years, while commendable in itself, has led to some of the issues within Fianna Fail. Soon a membership charge will be in place and only those who are actually bothered will join hopefully getting rid of candidates who sign up all their mates for a candiadate selection vote and then we never see them again (yes I said "we" - it's well documented on this forum that I'm in Ogra FF) and of course stopping TD's controlling certain areas with their mob... I'm not pointing at any place in particular, but I'm in college in UL so lets say that's where renewal needs to begin soon (and it already has begun).

    Needless to say, with that ****e going on, membership list are somewhat innaccurate, however, since the last election this have begun to be tidied up.


  • #106
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    DJCR wrote: »
    Sean Gallagher was a member, not only that but he was a member of the Ard Comhairle and also spoke at an Ogra Fianna Fail Summer event. Not only that but he was implicated in a non scandle for picking up donations to Fianna Fail (In an envelope no less - god forbid they use a box).

    I knew what the truth was - I was simply highlighting the differential between what FF claim and what the truth is.

    Mind you, it's probably less time-consuming to highlight the rare occasions where they do speak the truth, for example :


  • #107
    DJCR
    Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭DJCR


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I knew what the truth was - I was simply highlighting the differential between what FF claim and what the truth is.

    Mind you, it's probably less time-consuming to highlight the rare occasions where they do speak the truth, for example :

    FF never claimed he wasn't a member... he did.


  • #108
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    DJCR wrote: »
    FF never claimed he wasn't a member... he did.

    FF sat on the fence so that they could disown him if he lost and could claim "victory" if he won.


  • #109
    DJCR
    Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭DJCR


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    FF sat on the fence so that they could disown him if he lost and could claim "victory" if he won.

    No. It was very clear. He was in the party, he wasn't any more and ran as an independant. Stop trying to make something out of nothing.


  • #110
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    DJCR wrote: »
    No. It was very clear. He was in the party, he wasn't any more and ran as an independant. Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

    On what day did his membership expire, so ?

    Because the only thing he actually resigned from was the National Executive :

    http://www.politics.ie/forum/irish-presidential-election-2011/172433-sean-gallaghers-fianna-fail-national-exec-resignation-letter-obtained-politics-ie.html


  • #111
    DJCR
    Registered Users Posts: 986 ✭✭✭DJCR


    Haven't a clue when it "expired" haven't a lue when exactly he left. All I know is he wasn't a Fianna Fail candidate and if he was in Fianna Fail at the time he would have had to run as a Fianna Fail candidate.


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  • #112
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    DJCR wrote: »
    Haven't a clue when it "expired" haven't a lue when exactly he left. All I know is he wasn't a Fianna Fail candidate and if he was in Fianna Fail at the time he would have had to run as a Fianna Fail candidate.

    OK - so you don't know, but you're happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Given FF members' track record for pulling strokes and fast ones (e.g. Cooper-Flynn claiming "independent" allowance while being FF) forgive the rest of us if we need proof.
    DJCR wrote: »
    All I know is he wasn't a Fianna Fail candidate and if he was in Fianna Fail.....

    Why is there an "and if" if you "know" that he wasn't ?

    You also stated earlier that :
    DJCR wrote: »
    FF never claimed he wasn't a member... he did.

    If he "wasn't a member" then why did FF not state this fact ? And why do you choose to believe a statement by someone who was proven to be untrustworthy and lied on national TV ?

    Unless you have proof you cannot base your argument on what is merely your own choice of assumption, especially given the individual whose word you are basing your assumption on.


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