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Shooting Feral cats!!!

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  • #52
    sorella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭sorella


    Some wild generalisations there. Badgers attack cats; we lost one last year in that way, after a few initial attacks.
    bunny shooter wrote: »
    I am a shooter (name might be a bit of a give-away :)) I have frequently met cats while out shooting and don't/wouldn't shoot them unless they are diseased looking, which tbh they never are.

    My father has a cat and over the years she has brought home woodcock, young rabbits, full grown rabbits and has killed more than her share of songbirds in the yard too. But she has also killed her share of mice in my fathers sheds and the odd rat too. Some people put a collar with a bell on it to stop them sneaking up on prey.

    Cats don't need humans to survive and generally only tolerate us as it suits them. They do untold damage to wildlife despite a lot of them being fed at home. Even the local fox would think twice before tackling them I reckon so therefore, they have no natural predators, which is not a good thing.


  • #53
    boomerang
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    bunny shooter wrote: »

    Cats don't need humans to survive

    I would always have agreed with you bunny shooter until I got into rescuing cats. I agree that they don't need humans to survive, but they do need humans to allieviate suffering. I've brought stray cats to the vet that had to be euthanised because they were so ill and in so much pain. One had advance FeLV and was riddled with tumours. It was nothing but a skeleton. Another had a collar on and was clearly lost - but he had advanced liver-failure and had fallen away to nothing. Another one had the lower half of its front leg amputated in a snare and was close to death's door with gangrene. Last week I rescued a feral cat that got its head stuck in an empty whiskas tin can and was slowly smothering. (Got it off with an old fashioned tin-opener, brought him to the vet, had him neutered and released him back in the same spot.)

    Cats are able to hunt and scavenge for food enough to survive, but when they have a health problem and there is no one for them to step in and help, they suffer terribly. That upsets me greatly.

    Tbh, I would rather see a diseased feral cat humanely dispatched with an accurate shot from a rifle than for it to die a slow and agonising death from disease.


  • #54
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I was attacked by a feral cat once, it jumped me while I was retrieving a ball from the hedge in my garden.

    The thing stank to high hell and had half an ear missing...

    It latched onto my leg with it's claws and bit me fairly badly, (or brilliantly from it's pov lol)

    I had to have a tetanus injection and 4 stitches afterwards, was not nice.

    If I had of had a gun at the time I defo would have shot it, in fact it's lucky it escaped after the attack because I fully intended to kill it

    My point is that it is not an urban legend that these animals pose a threat, to other animals and to humans.

    Though I can't stand people that let on that they'd only shoot ferals, because I know some shooters that would gladly set thier aim on any cat... that's cruel and it doesn't make you a tough guy, it makes you a tosser

    That last part wasn't directed at anyone btw =)


  • #55
    bunny shooter
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    sorella wrote: »
    Some wild generalisations there. Badgers attack cats; we lost one last year in that way, after a few initial attacks.

    Please explain what you mean by these "wild generalisations" :eek:

    As for the badger attack I reckon the cat instigated that and got more than it bargained for ;) which serves it right :)


  • #56
    bunny shooter
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    boomerang wrote: »
    I would always have agreed with you bunny shooter until I got into rescuing cats. I agree that they don't need humans to survive, but they do need humans to allieviate suffering. I've brought stray cats to the vet that had to be euthanised because they were so ill and in so much pain. One had advance FeLV and was riddled with tumours. It was nothing but a skeleton. Another had a collar on and was clearly lost - but he had advanced liver-failure and had fallen away to nothing. Another one had the lower half of its front leg amputated in a snare and was close to death's door with gangrene. Last week I rescued a feral cat that got its head stuck in an empty whiskas tin can and was slowly smothering. (Got it off with an old fashioned tin-opener, brought him to the vet, had him neutered and released him back in the same spot.)

    Cats are able to hunt and scavenge for food enough to survive, but when they have a health problem and there is no one for them to step in and help, they suffer terribly. That upsets me greatly.

    Tbh, I would rather see a diseased feral cat humanely dispatched with an accurate shot from a rifle than for it to die a slow and agonising death from disease.

    I take your point and will not disagree with you. Cats from what I've seen very rarley die at home. They always seem to go away to die. As for the distress you have found them in all wildlife suffers like this it's called nature and as an old man once said to "in nature there is nothing so cruel as nature itself" and I reckon he was right. Survival of the fittest and even then not for long :(

    As I stated earlier I will only shoot one obviously in distress and my rifle or shotgun is/would be a very humane death for them too ;)


  • #57
    fish slapped
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    tom123456 wrote: »
    What about electric fencing. If they get some shocks it will frighten them and deter them and it's used as a form of control for a lot of other animals.

    :D:D:D :rolleyes: you are joking aren't you ??

    OK an electric fence for a cat 12" tall and that can jump about , what 12 foot!!

    So is that an electric wall 15 feet high around each farm with livestock??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    FS


  • #58
    Sparks
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    boomerang wrote: »
    Tbh, I would rather see a diseased feral cat humanely dispatched with an accurate shot from a rifle than for it to die a slow and agonising death from disease.
    Just to expand on that and on Vegeta's earlier post with a single point - all the people posting on this topic over in Hunting are talking about using rather large-caliber rifles. The cat isn't going to be injured and left to die in an agonising, drawn-out manner (speaking as a long-time cat owner, who's spent silly amounts of money and time on the health and well-being of his pet cats over the years, I'd rather that than the "natural" deaths some of my pets have suffered at the paws/teeth of dogs, badgers, other cats and even cat diseases). The odds are high that the cat in question will never even know what hit it. We have had posters asking about less humane methods of dispatch before - they have not been entertained, in fact they've been banned for it.

    We do actually realise that folks in here won't appreciate the topics covered in Hunting; that's why we don't require folks in here to read stuff in there, and generally recommend that they give it a wide berth.


  • #59
    BrianD3
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    Shooting feral cats has been discussed on a few occasions. Anyone remember this older thread from the hunting forum
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054971546

    Feral cat is shot three times with a shotgun, the poster comes on boards asking what ammo to use on feral cats. Might have been an idea to ask that before shooting at one?

    One thing that bothers me about these threads is the casual and ignorant attitude to differentiating between ferals and escaped pets. "ah if it doesn't have a collar its probably a feral, shoot on sight!". Also the "humorous" comments eg the one from guy who joked about running cats over with his Ford Focus.

    That doesn't take away from the fact that far too many cat "owners" have a casual attitude to neutering and letting their cats roam free.


  • #60
    Sparks
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    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Shooting feral cats has been discussed on a few occasions. Anyone remember this older thread from the hunting forum
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054971546
    Or this one from this forum?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054972171

    With such well-reasoned responses as
    I hope somday Mr Barretta gets turned on him
    and
    If I had my way Id set all you hunters off running in a field and gun you lot down with a few farmers thrown in for the "sport"
    Would be better than shooting innocent animals.

    'Twould be nice if we didn't go down that road this time.


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  • #61
    My name is URL
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    Sparks wrote: »
    Or this one from this forum?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054972171

    With such well-reasoned responses as and

    'Twould be nice if we didn't go down that road this time.

    There's an element of extremism on both sides tbh.

    Middle ground is rare these days

    Anyone that wishes or hopes that an animal is killed is way OTT... fair enough if it has to be done but taking enjoyment from it is awful imo


  • #62
    Call me Socket
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    Sparks wrote: »
    'Twould be nice if we didn't go down that road this time.
    I agree.... as was mentioned, the hunting forum and the pet issues forum are always going to have a clash of opinions and attitudes. It was as pointless to open this discussion in the first place as it would be to go to the hunting forum and open a thread to try converting the members there.

    The link should not have been posted here.


  • #63
    sorella
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    There you go again.

    Never have any of my cats left home to die; one feral came in through the bathroom window to spend her last days with us.

    And no, the badger attacked the cat.

    Over and OUT to you.....


    bunny shooter wrote: »
    I take your point and will not disagree with you. Cats from what I've seen very rarley die at home. They always seem to go away to die. As for the distress you have found them in all wildlife suffers like this it's called nature and as an old man once said to "in nature there is nothing so cruel as nature itself" and I reckon he was right. Survival of the fittest and even then not for long :(

    As I stated earlier I will only shoot one obviously in distress and my rifle or shotgun is/would be a very humane death for them too ;)


  • #64
    lightening
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    sorella wrote: »
    Some wild generalisations there. Badgers attack cats; we lost one last year in that way, after a few initial attacks.

    What generalisations? One injury from a cat and the badger is more or less bunched, no tetanus or vets in the wild!! It would be very very unusual for a badger to attack a cat and it would be pretty easy for a cat to get away from the badger. Are you sure it wasn't a dog? Badgers don't really attack.


  • #65
    sorella
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    Yes they do. Period. A friend here saw the face taken off her dog by one.

    It is not unusual.
    lightening wrote: »
    What generalisations? One injury from a cat and the badger is more or less bunched, no tetanus or vets in the wild!! It would be very very unusual for a badger to attack a cat and it would be pretty easy for a cat to get away from the badger. Are you sure it wasn't a dog? Badgers don't really attack.


  • #66
    Call me Socket
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    Seriously guys, what's the point in hashing this out??? Ye're getting all strung out and ye won't ever agree anyhow....

    (it's off topic anyway!)


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  • #67
    lightening
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    sorella wrote: »
    A friend here saw the face taken off her dog by one.

    It is not unusual.

    Is it not unusual? I think it is.

    Your friend here dogs face was "taken off" by a badger? Was your friend involved in Badger baiting? Can you explain the circumstances? How did the dog catch the badger?

    Can you also explain the circumstances when your cat got killed by the badger "after initial attacks" I find that very suspicious to be honest. Where are you finding these badgers and how are you coming in to contact with them?


  • #68
    Our man in Havana
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    Game over. This topic will not be revisited.


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