Watch this Tonight - Breeding

cloudy day · 23-05-2009 2:00pm

Hi Morganna thanks for pm. Gorgeous dogs.

Hi bullets, I agree with you, some of the show people come across as nuts ! Especially Americans. I guess a lot of the trouble is most people nowadays don't see dogs as - well exactly that, dogs!

They are not children,they are not babies, they are not cuddly toys, they are - DOGS.

Many different variations, many different temperaments and qualities and many different purposes. It seems the world has swung from one extreme to another. I hate cruelty but it also makes me a bit sick to watch the likes of Battersea, talking about them like they are people and letting them LICK THEIR FACES, URGH . . Dogs lick their genitals. also the RSPCA has come under fire recently. That they have swung far from their original purpose.

Did ye see the bassett hound. OMG I love bassets but the one on the progrram was awful. It looked like it was wearing clothes 3 times too big. and they advocate and push this kind of breeding.

ISDW · 23-05-2009 2:55pm

bushy... wrote: »

Just ban Crufts and all those , should take away the attraction for a lot of muppets.

I've said previously that I don't show my dogs and have no interest in doing so, but I don't see why people can't have a hobby. There are a lot of dogs have a much worse life than a show dog, who spend a lot of their lives with their owner. Through another forum I have met and become friends with a few people who show their dogs. They care passionately about their dogs, and to a certain extent, their lives revolve around their dogs. During the show season they are off most weekends around the country, spending the whole day with their dogs, their dogs are also interacting with other dogs and are very sociable. They also put a lot of work into getting their dogs up to a standard where they can be shown, I don't mean grooming, washing, but instead I mean ringcraft lessons, obedience etc, all of which are good for a dog surely?

Yes, you get people with a bad attitude in showing, as you do in everything, and there are the stupid politics that go on in everything but don't tar everybody with the same brush. If these dogs didn't get proper exercise etc, they wouldn't be in a fit shape to show, so they have a good life.

sos33 · 25-05-2009 9:57pm

andreac wrote: »

Oh you havent got a clue, have you ever been to a dog show? have you ever met any of the dogs at one? or know any of the owners of one? i doubt it, so please dont talk bullsh** when you dont know what you are talking about.
I own a dog that i show too and he really enjoys the shows, i wouldnt do them if he didnt. If you go to any shows you will see how much they enjoy them.
So please before you go making comments like that please wait til you have your facts straight, or evidence to back up your statements.

look i know dog shows are a way of life for people and they are enjoyed by young and old and i have being to some but on the basis of this programme there is a major problem with the breeding pool for dogs thats causing health issues both mental and phyiscal for the animals, which is the the issue here

IvySlayer · 25-05-2009 10:15pm

I have this recorded on Sky, some of these comments make me not want to watch it.

Is dog breeding not licensed?

Our man in Havana · 25-05-2009 10:17pm

Nope.

Triton · 25-05-2009 10:48pm

andreac wrote: »

Oh you havent got a clue, have you ever been to a dog show? have you ever met any of the dogs at one? or know any of the owners of one? i doubt it, so please dont talk bullsh** when you dont know what you are talking about.
I own a dog that i show too and he really enjoys the shows, i wouldnt do them if he didnt. If you go to any shows you will see how much they enjoy them.
So please before you go making comments like that please wait til you have your facts straight, or evidence to back up your statements.

Like the evidence you had for the outrageous comments you made about my dog? I seem to remember you scarpering from that thread.

There was evidence enough in that show to back up the comments made. One Crufts winner had a face lift for god's sake, doesn't that show the OP has plenty of evidence.

Different dogs like different things. I accept that. But the majority of dogs weren't bred for the purpose of parading around a show ring. That said, I have been to dog shows and there are genuine people. They are plenty of people who aren't so genuine too.

It's the same as anything.

andreac · 25-05-2009 11:06pm

I didnt scarper from any thread by the way.

You cannot tar all people that show their dogs with the one brush from watching that show.
I know a lot of people in a lot of different breeds at the shows and none of them are involved in anything like what went on in that programme.

Im talking about shows in ireland by the way, that show was based in the uk.

bushy... · 25-05-2009 11:12pm

andreac wrote: »

Now why would you do that?

You cant tar all dog owners that show their dogs with the one brush, the majority of people that show their dogs do because they have a passion for it and its a hobbie that both the dog and owner love.

Have you ever been to a dog show? Have you seen how happy the dogs are in the ring? tails wagging and in great form.

Same reason lots of things are banned.
Way too much damage done by a few people (out of many).

Think about it.
The dogs are happy because of attention , around other dogs/people etc
Not because they won because their ears are pointy or similar.

bushy... · 25-05-2009 11:18pm

andreac wrote: »

I didnt scarper from any thread by the way.

You cannot tar all people that show their dogs with the one brush from watching that show.
I know a lot of people in a lot of different breeds at the shows and none of them are involved in anything like what went on in that programme.

Im talking about shows in ireland by the way, that show was based in the uk.

You probably don't see it because you love your dog for what he is.
Plenty not like you though sadly

BlackCat2008 · 26-05-2009 3:39am

What are the KC making money on from allowing bad breeding that they can't make on good breeding ???

I've known for years now that they put down Dalmnations with blue eye's because they are deaf and most white GSD are drowned at birth by the breeders because they don't want to be found out but watching that program is more than disturbing. I've had lots of GSDs over the years and never had one with a slopping back or frog feet and all were kc reg.

My rough collie came from show breeders and her mam and dad were only ever breed together, if the first litter from a pair were great she only ever breed that pair together for life, and if not great pups she tryed other matches until she got it right, thats nearly 20 yrs ago, and up until her twilight years she never had any health probloms, it just go's to show how much can happen behind closed doors now a days.

I think the goverments of all countries should enforce new laws as to the standerd of breed, I'd much rader see a healthy dog in the show ring, than feel like I have to bring along bottles of oxygen to keep them alive.

But this is not only effecting dogs, I hear through the grape vine there is now problems with cats, rabbits and horses appearing to, it's sad to think people go to such lenghts knowing the animals will suffer in the long run, how can they say they love them, these people should be banned and the KC's shut down.

andreac · 26-05-2009 9:22am

bushy... wrote: »

Same reason lots of things are banned.
Way too much damage done by a few people (out of many).

Think about it.
The dogs are happy because of attention , around other dogs/people etc
Not because they won because their ears are pointy or similar.

I never said the dogs are happy because they won, they are happy because they enjoy what they are doing and are very well cared for and are doing something fun, instead of being stuck in the house all day bored out of their heads.
Theres a lot worse things that can be happening to a dog than being at a dog show.

Also Bushy, I dont what you what you meant by "same reason lots of things are banned", what was that in reference to?

jen_23 · 26-05-2009 10:33am

I started reading this thread last night and just finished now. I'm looking to buy a pedigree Samoyed at the moment (as some of you may know

) and this has frightened the daylights out of me!

But I suppose all I can do is try to find as reputable a breeder as I can (and I think I have rec by the sammy club Ireland and a lovely person but I'll judge myself too when I go to see but so far so good

) and hope for the best.

After reading that the second I pick the puppy it's to the vets for a very good checkup..

sos33 · 26-05-2009 9:15pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

I have this recorded on Sky, some of these comments make me not want to watch it.

Is dog breeding not licensed?

not that im aware off,watch it its hard viewing but it brings to attention a serious matter that is going under the radar
ps:i have 2 dogs,that i picked up in the pound both mongrels but healthy

Call me Socket · 26-05-2009 11:12pm

bullets wrote: »

I remember hearing stories from my father when I was a kid where he told me that dalmations used to be killed as pups if they did not have spots,

Aren't all Dalmatians born spotless white, literally?!!
I don't think they develop their spots til they're a few weeks old...

cloudy day · 27-05-2009 2:09am

as far as i know they take a while for spots to come through, which is worse as they were cullling pups that had lived a time.

lots of boxers and other bull breeds were being born with cleft palates and were being culled, due to in breeding, it didn't matter as long as they got one perfect one that might make it big.

and all of the breeds have their own horror stories to match.

thankfully these practices are starting to die out, mainly thanks to the smaller dedicated breeders who are committed to doing things right and providing sound dogs for pet homes.

Demonique · 27-05-2009 3:04am

sos33 wrote: »

the only appear happy cause of the face-lifts

Do you mean the dogs or the owners? (*cough*dumbblondewithcavalier*coughcough*)

cloudy day · 27-05-2009 3:35am

Demonique wrote: »

Do you mean the dogs or the owners? (*cough*dumbblondewithcavalier*coughcough*)

:D:D:D right on

sos33 · 27-05-2009 10:21am

Demonique wrote: »

Do you mean the dogs or the owners? (*cough*dumbblondewithcavalier*coughcough*)

:D:D oh yeah,nice one demonique,ill leave that open to debate

getz · 27-05-2009 10:30am

cloudy day wrote: »

Tonight on Tv3

Pedigree and show dog breeding expose and all the health issues involved from bad breeding practices.

have any of ever notice these program people never take on the breaders of race horses/greyhound breeders /farmers who breed animals for food ?yet at the same time think animal cruelty and inter breeding only happens in dogs ?

cloudy day · 27-05-2009 2:41pm

getz wrote: »

have any of ever notice these program people never take on the breaders of race horses/greyhound breeders /farmers who breed animals for food ?yet at the same time think animal cruelty and inter breeding only happens in dogs ?

agree totally. mulitmillion dollar empires are well protected.

however have no problem with proper farmers who supply us with the food we need to exist, it's a hard job.

i think maybe it's because this vet, i forget his name, he's now delving into all these pet dog things due to the cruelty aspect etc and there's a lot more publicity given in england, i guess because the RSPCA are themselves a very wealthy organisation that can afford the fight.

Morganna · 27-05-2009 6:26pm

cloudy day wrote: »

Hi Morganna thanks for pm. Gorgeous dogs.

Hi bullets, I agree with you, some of the show people come across as nuts ! Especially Americans. I guess a lot of the trouble is most people nowadays don't see dogs as - well exactly that, dogs!

They are not children,they are not babies, they are not cuddly toys, they are - DOGS.

Many different variations, many different temperaments and qualities and many different purposes. It seems the world has swung from one extreme to another. I hate cruelty but it also makes me a bit sick to watch the likes of Battersea, talking about them like they are people and letting them LICK THEIR FACES, URGH . . Dogs lick their genitals. also the RSPCA has come under fire recently. That they have swung far from their original purpose.

Did ye see the bassett hound. OMG I love bassets but the one on the progrram was awful. It looked like it was wearing clothes 3 times too big. and they advocate and push this kind of breeding.

Thanks cloudy

Morganna · 27-05-2009 6:27pm

Demonique wrote: »

Do you mean the dogs or the owners? (*cough*dumbblondewithcavalier*coughcough*)

LOL

Triton · 31-05-2009 10:11am

andreac wrote: »

I didnt scarper from any thread by the way.

You cannot tar all people that show their dogs with the one brush from watching that show.
I know a lot of people in a lot of different breeds at the shows and none of them are involved in anything like what went on in that programme.

Im talking about shows in ireland by the way, that show was based in the uk.

I must of missed where you failed to reply to replies from cloudy day and myself then.

If you read the above, I don't tar all people with the same brush. I say that dog showing is the same as anything - there are plenty of decent honest people and then there are plenty out to make a quick buck.

I love your point at the end. So you presume the same thing isn't going on in Ireland? Don't be naieve, of course it is.

And I know plenty of Irish people who source dogs and stud dogs from the UK for showing.

Watch this Tonight - Breeding

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