[CoD MW3] General News and Discussion

krudler · 11-05-2011 5:39pm

If its camos and character skins then fcuk that, somethat actually adds to the game like a more enchanced theatre mode or more maps and guns or something then fine

minidazzler · 11-05-2011 8:34pm

CORaven wrote: »

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Theatre mode post beta - video rendering larger than 30seconds

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I think that the video rendering will allow voice overlays, addition of some music, and other things of that nature. I feel they are gonna try to appeal to the COD commentary community and make everyone think they can be huge like woody. I'd pay for that just to have something to play around with really.

I also think video rendering will go up to 14 mins or so, so that people can incorporate their own artsy theater mode. Basically, I think it's gonna be like a Sony Vegas lite suite on your xBox/PS3/PC that only works with COD.

The price of this "elite status" better be low and preferrably buyable using Microsoft points rather than credit card.

The only real downside I see for it so far, is the community, you are gonna have alot of whiney 12 year olds who think they are brilliant because they have the COD-Elite symbol. Just like the kids who think they are great when they glitch to high prestiges.

hightower1 · 12-05-2011 12:05am

minidazzler wrote: »

The only real downside I see for it so far, is the community, you are gonna have alot of whiney 12 year olds who think they are brilliant because they have the COD-Elite symbol. Just like the kids who think they are great when they glitch to high prestiges.

No the real downside to this will be Kotec sitting back and thinking "Well jeez, looks like they ARE willing to pay a subscription based model on COD"... que all further iterations of the franchise then being subscription based. All because tools wanted to show off on youtube to kids. Congratulations to them.

The ONLY way that this would benefit the consumer would be if it was set up on micro transactions - for instance everyone with full access to a theater mode BUT you pay to upload per clip. 50c per 10 min clip or so. That way childish muppets who want to upload to youtube out of some need for subscribers stemming from terrible self esteem can get the virtual pat on the back they crave and then normal folks who dont give a ****e but would find it nice to be able upload the one or two clips in a blue moon of something funny happening can.... and not have to pay a subscription for that sparse use.

Now do you think Kotec HASNT thought of that????? Of coarse they have but they are counting on the immaturity of the COD community to take over and will slap "elite" on anything they can and the kids will lap it up thinking it actually means a dam... elite = net profit for Activision.
They are counting on this immaturity for people to blindly buy into something month after month that they simply would not get the value out of and that the game SHOULD have included from the get go.

It says a lot about what activision think of you and me.... they go year after year not even updating the ****ing engine and barely changing the standard COD formula but now they are willing to try new things and add something extra..... for a monthly price on top. So in short they see having a game series that never really attempts to change or add anything as NORMAL and that making sequel after sequel suddenly then trying to add something new or adding to the standard formula somehow deserves a cash increase to them? Im sorry but I was under the belief that adding something new to each sequel was pretty much how EVERYTHING works from movies to games. No for Kotec though... standard artistic practices are just an opportunity to charge more from the customer.

Normal folks thought=

Make a product that sells well...
Make a sequel so you should add more and evolve the initial concept to keep people interested.

Koticks thoughts =

Make a product that sells well...
Make a sequel so you should add more and evolve the initial concept to keep people interested.
Now charge more for the privilege.

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:18am

minidazzler wrote: »

The only real downside I see for it so far, is the community, you are gonna have alot of whiney 12 year olds who think they are brilliant because they have the COD-Elite symbol. Just like the kids who think they are great when they glitch to high prestiges.

I'd view them the same was as I view 10th Prestige symbols now, easy targets most of the time

Creasy_bear · 12-05-2011 4:53pm

hightower1 wrote: »

No the real downside to this will be Kotec sitting back and thinking "Well jeez, looks like they ARE willing to pay a subscription based model on COD"... que all further iterations of the franchise then being subscription based. All because tools wanted to show off on youtube to kids. Congratulations to them.

The ONLY way that this would benefit the consumer would be if it was set up on micro transactions - for instance everyone with full access to a theater mode BUT you pay to upload per clip. 50c per 10 min clip or so. That way childish muppets who want to upload to youtube out of some need for subscribers stemming from terrible self esteem can get the virtual pat on the back they crave and then normal folks who dont give a ****e but would find it nice to be able upload the one or two clips in a blue moon of something funny happening can.... and not have to pay a subscription for that sparse use.

Now do you think Kotec HASNT thought of that????? Of coarse they have but they are counting on the immaturity of the COD community to take over and will slap "elite" on anything they can and the kids will lap it up thinking it actually means a dam... elite = net profit for Activision.
They are counting on this immaturity for people to blindly buy into something month after month that they simply would not get the value out of and that the game SHOULD have included from the get go.

It says a lot about what activision think of you and me.... they go year after year not even updating the ****ing engine and barely changing the standard COD formula but now they are willing to try new things and add something extra..... for a monthly price on top. So in short they see having a game series that never really attempts to change or add anything as NORMAL and that making sequel after sequel suddenly then trying to add something new or adding to the standard formula somehow deserves a cash increase to them? Im sorry but I was under the belief that adding something new to each sequel was pretty much how EVERYTHING works from movies to games. No for Kotec though... standard artistic practices are just an opportunity to charge more from the customer.

Normal folks thought=

Make a product that sells well...
Make a sequel so you should add more and evolve the initial concept to keep people interested.

Koticks thoughts =

Make a product that sells well...
Make a sequel so you should add more and evolve the initial concept to keep people interested.
Now charge more for the privilege.

genuine lol

Mr. Rager · 12-05-2011 7:06pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPssCqBIQAs

:eek: Have to watch this, he knows a lot of info bout mw3

iMuse · 12-05-2011 7:18pm

fjsanchez wrote: »

:eek: Have to watch this, he knows a lot of info bout mw3

Its all rumor, nothing he says can be considered fact.

Mr. Rager · 12-05-2011 7:23pm

iMuse wrote: »

Its all rumor, nothing he says can be considered fact.

True, its just i got a little bit excited

Mr. Manager · 12-05-2011 7:25pm

He has a face I'd love to punch.

If true about the dedicated servers on the Elite version you can bet your ass I'll be putting my name down for it.

Mr. Rager · 12-05-2011 7:34pm

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

He has a face I'd love to punch.

If true about the dedicated servers on the Elite version you can bet your ass I'll be putting my name down for it.

Hahaha true he is pretty annoying, but I had to watch the video when i seen it was about MW3.

It looks like it will be like Halo Waypoint

Nuri Sahin · 12-05-2011 8:58pm

Thread clean up

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Cover system in MW3 =

It was fine in Rainbow Six Vegas but COD doesn't need it.

krudler · 12-05-2011 9:08pm

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Thread clean up

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Cover system in MW3 =

It was fine in Rainbow Six Vegas but COD doesn't need it.

I agree, only promotes camping, it doesnt suit the style of the game

Leeg17 · 12-05-2011 9:09pm

Speculation, and hopefully it will stay that way.

krudler · 12-05-2011 9:15pm

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

But if they're talking about creating more destructable environments would'nt that counter it somehow?

ah true, I forgot about that, will see sure, hopefully that may 23rd date is official

CORaven · 12-05-2011 9:40pm

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Cover system in MW3 =

It was fine in Rainbow Six Vegas but COD doesn't need it.

As highly as I distrust the concept (slowing the game down, not quite COD-like outside of campaign, lack of room for controls, a cover system in a game where cover is penetrable....), the third person mode in MW2 was pretty pants as it was missing a cover system. I would welcome a cover system if and only if it was available in select gamemodes.

krudler · 12-05-2011 9:43pm

CORaven wrote: »

As highly as I distrust the concept (slowing the game down, not quite COD-like outside of campaign, lack of room for controls, a cover system in a game where cover is penetrable....), the third person mode in MW2 was pretty pants as it was missing a cover system. I would welcome a cover system if and only if it was available in select gamemodes.

thats a really good point, a 3rd person viewpoint doesnt work with 1st person controls, but give it Gears style cover and 3rd person control system and it would. be a cool way to introduce a few new modes without dicking with the mechanics of the game too much

Nuri Sahin · 12-05-2011 9:53pm

CORaven wrote: »

As highly as I distrust the concept (slowing the game down, not quite COD-like outside of campaign, lack of room for controls, a cover system in a game where cover is penetrable....), the third person mode in MW2 was pretty pants as it was missing a cover system. I would welcome a cover system if and only if it was available in select gamemodes.

I really must be the only one here or who I know who enjoyed 3rd person mode in MW2

But yeah I agree that when it comes to 3rd person mode a cover system must be implemented. Many of the great 3rd person shooters of the past have it afterall. If the gametype were to return in MW3 hopefully it will be.

I just hope MW3 doesn't turns into some messy hybrid of a game consisting of MW2, Rainbow 6 and Battlefield.

Leeg17 · 12-05-2011 9:58pm

I'd agree with Ade that if a cover system were to be included (and if destructible environment was not) that it should be confined to 3rd person.

I quite enjoyed 3rd person the times I did play it in Mw2, loved throwing a c4 that way.

I think they definitely need to introduce maybe 1-3 new gametypes. Keep the comp playlist and the merc playlists oh and mosh pit. I'm not asking for much :P

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:01pm

Take MW2, remove commando, DC and last/final stand, unstackable killstreaks, slap in the blackbird as one, remove heartbeat sensors, new maps, same sound, polish the graphics up a tad, update the menus, new callsigns and emblems, no tac inserion in FFA, finish the Makarov storyline in SP, boom=MW3.

GEasy · 12-05-2011 10:03pm

krudler wrote: »

Take MW2, remove commando, DC and last/final stand, unstackable killstreaks, slap in the blackbird as one, remove heartbeat sensors, new maps, same sound, polish the graphics up a tad, update the menus, new callsigns and emblems, no tac inserion in FFA, finish the Makarov storyline in SP, boom=MW3.

BOOM, happy out, COD 4 sniping too . . Would be well happy with all that

Mr. Rager · 12-05-2011 10:11pm

Why do they never listen to us (the community) and leave in second chance, etc? Do they want to piss us off on purpose or something? :rolleyes:

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:16pm

fjsanchez wrote: »

Why do they never listen to us (the community) and leave in second chance, etc? Do they want to piss us off on purpose or something? :rolleyes:

its weird because cheap perks only encourage people to play badly, anyone can spam the sh1t out of the map with grenades, takes decent playing skill to get good scores by running and gunning and outplaying the other team.
You'd think they'd want people to learn how to play the game properly, and by now you'd think they've realised the COD community is full of assholes who just want cheap victories instead of working for it, the amount of boosters and OMA fools shows that (OMA is great when its used properly though)

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:20pm

think its fake but will have to see, least its a cover that doesnt have the standard blue/orange colour scheme that EVERYTHING has these days:

Nuri Sahin · 12-05-2011 10:26pm

Wearing an orange hoody and a New York Knicks basketball home jersey right now, blue and orange ftw

Leeg17 · 12-05-2011 10:27pm

Krudler, you realise how many more people you'll have plagued by noticing the colours in media?

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:29pm

but its EVERYWHERE!!! its almost as bad as the crappy comedy/chick flick "red wording on a white background" poster:

Mr. Rager · 12-05-2011 10:35pm

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

guys I dont think this is fake..... the grip on his M4 is a Magpul AFG and they were only made really early this year and end of last year, and he has a heart beat sensor on his RIS rail.... this could be legit

If that's not legit its a damn good fake

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:35pm

heartbeat sensor..noooo!

hey you might know AGB,where would I get a cheap tactical vest, like an airsoft one? I wanna go as Ghost for Halloween this year, have the balaclava, a hoody that would be perfect, get some headphones, combat pants and the tac vest and it should look ok

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:37pm

still think the all white top is too plain, unless theres something spoilerish as an image that going to go in behind him, like the cover of MW2 with the Capitol Hill building in flames

krudler · 12-05-2011 10:43pm

could be, the States invades Russia as a backlash from MW2, they hinted at a WWIII take on things, could be the makings of it. roll on the 23rd!

hightower1 · 12-05-2011 11:22pm

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

ah but guys you have to admit that cover is awesome even if it is fake it would be awesome as the picture for MW3

Really? I mean its pretty much the same as mw2 cover with a different colour pallet? It doesnt represent anything about the game other than you play as a soldier? I cant see whats awesome about it?

Its just set to be as distinctive as possible (big contrast between white on black to catch your eye using the mw3 font then so that you can recognize its a MW game without even reading the title) - tis all simple marketing stuff which its grand for but I wouldnt consider it "awesome" ?

CORaven · 12-05-2011 11:46pm

I would like to also comment on the rumoured box art.
It is interesting that the Call of Duty logo is so large on the box. Before the Infinity Ward incidents, there was a point where the CoD name was not even going to be on it, and that the MW logo itself was going to sell. Compare the size of the texts in the MW series and it seems to be going back and forth.

As for the B/W contrast, I hope it is done for the visual effect and not to tell us to brace ourselves for more snow maps.

Softair · 13-05-2011 2:22am

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

guys I dont think this is fake..... the grip on his M4 is a Magpul AFG and they were only made really early this year and end of last year, and he has a heart beat sensor on his RIS rail.... this could be legit

He's also clearly wearing MultiCam which was newly commissioned in 2010 for US army forces in Afghanistan.

krudler · 13-05-2011 9:04am

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

Why the 23rd?

supposedly its the date Activision release the first MW3 details before E3

yimrsg · 13-05-2011 1:36pm

I hope they sort out the interface in this and bring in party chat, a better player invitation system and game search options. It's just so far behind blackops' system it's prehistoric. Blackops isn't perfect as it takes ages to go from the multiplayer screen to online game type options, but in terms of easy usage it's streamlined better.

If they manage to get a smoother system in place with less of the things that ruin an otherwise enjoyable game.

noobtubes: should be either a perk or have their damage reduced or a suitable counter perk not equipment that further penalises a player like blast shield.
oma: just remove it or make it so it only replenished bullets
commando: sometimes it's irrelevant othertimes on a poorer connection, enemies walk through your bullets.
boosting: come down hard on anyone offering to do this. Warning then a week without message privileges. Next one is a month and you're docked a prestige.
Glitching: permanent kick from xbox live. Microsoft were right to ban how many people who hacked/manipulated the xbox before so the precedent is there to do it again.

Perk selection
Made these up on the fly so I've no idea if these will work or if there is a weakness.
Perk Tier 1

Bomb squad instead of OMA: like flak jacket, pro gives you the ability to see enemy equipment
Scavenger: pro gives you the ability to pick up any gun and for it to have full ammo (not noobtubes)
Bling:
Marathon:
Sleight of Hand:

Perk Tier 2

Cold blooded:
Stopping power:
Ordnance instead of Danger Close: gives 2x noobtube, pro makes the grenades "detonate-able" in flight.
Hardline:
Lightweight:

Perk Tier 3

Ninja:
Sitrep: No longer see explosives but pro gives a larger or detailed mini map or like tac mask pro, gives location of enemies hit with grenades.
Steady aim:
Scrambler:
Last stand:

Killstreaks
Since blackops had the blackbird, I'd reckon they'll have some sort of satelite uplink in mw3. No nukes. Killstreaks kills don't count towards other killstreaks and can be sorted through and can be set up for individual classes.

Deathstreaks
Painkiller is disgusting, if I put a full clip from a m4 or a scar into you then you should be dead.

Private games & alternative multiplayer campaign.
COD4 had arcade mode, bring it back for the campaign, MW2 had special ops, make it 4 player like zombies and give us loads of options for private games. Finally give us a multiplayer campaign, Halo did it and it's a laugh. You could set it up like gears of war so teammates revive you like last stand. Allow players to pick 2 other perks and away you go.

Magill · 13-05-2011 1:55pm

yimrsg wrote: »

I hope they sort out the interface in this and bring in party chat, a better player invitation system and game search options. It's just so far behind blackops' system it's prehistoric. Blackops isn't perfect as it takes ages to go from the multiplayer screen to online game type options, but in terms of easy usage it's streamlined better.

If they manage to get a smoother system in place with less of the things that ruin an otherwise enjoyable game.

noobtubes: should be either a perk or have their damage reduced or a suitable counter perk not equipment that further penalises a player like blast shield.

oma: just remove it or make it so it only replenished bullets

commando: sometimes it's irrelevant othertimes on a poorer connection, enemies walk through your bullets.

boosting: come down hard on anyone offering to do this. Warning then a week without message privileges. Next one is a month and you're docked a prestige.

Glitching: permanent kick from xbox live. Microsoft were right to ban how many people who hacked/manipulated the xbox before so the precedent is there to do it again.

Perk selection
Made these up on the fly so I've no idea if these will work or if there is a weakness.
Perk Tier 1
Bomb squad instead of OMA: like flak jacket, pro gives you the ability to see enemy equipment

Scavenger: pro gives you the ability to pick up any gun and for it to have full ammo (not noobtubes)

Bling:

Marathon:

Sleight of Hand:

Perk Tier 2
Cold blooded:

Stopping power:

Ordnance instead of Danger Close: gives 2x noobtube, pro makes the grenades "detonate-able" in flight.

Hardline:

Lightweight:

Perk Tier 3
Ninja:

Sitrep: No longer see explosives but pro gives a larger or detailed mini map or like tac mask pro, gives location of enemies hit with grenades.

Steady aim:

Scrambler:

Last stand:

Killstreaks
Since blackops had the blackbird, I'd reckon they'll have some sort of satelite uplink in mw3. No nukes. Killstreaks kills don't count towards other killstreaks and can be sorted through and can be set up for individual classes.

Deathstreaks
Painkiller is disgusting, if I put a full clip from a m4 or a scar into you then you should be dead.

Private games & alternative multiplayer campaign.
COD4 had arcade mode, bring it back for the campaign, MW2 had special ops, make it 4 player like zombies and give us loads of options for private games. Finally give us a multiplayer campaign, Halo did it and it's a laugh. You could set it up like gears of war so teammates revive you like last stand. Allow players to pick 2 other perks and away you go.

If you must keep last stand in there... swap it with marathon.

Personally i'd remove it completely, disgusting perk.

Magill · 13-05-2011 2:19pm

Keeping stopping power out = lots of coldblooded users. Theres always going to be one or 2 perks that are used by hte majority. I'd rather it be something like stopping power that doesnt frustrate a lot of people (Not that ghost anoys me).

everlast75 · 13-05-2011 2:35pm

I agree - keep stopping power out of the equation. If there are dedictated servers (please god let there be) then one fella's gun should be equal to the others.

Spear · 13-05-2011 3:33pm

http://uk.kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

Kotaku has the date November 8th for release and early test shots.

Edit: Be warned: Kotaku have another article (linked at the bottom of that one) which claims to have the entire story progression, including characters and major spoilers.

hightower1 · 13-05-2011 4:15pm

Spear wrote: »

http://uk.kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

Kotaku has the date November 8th for release and early test shots.

Sweet! A magpul FPG (folding pocket gun) , they are a brilliant laugh! Have one myself. Check out youtube for vids.... thats gonna be a blast.

edit - looks like they are all about the branding this time, remmington, magpul, etc. Seems like real world manufacturers are realising that the biggest game in the world is a good advertising form! More realisim for us = win.

krudler · 13-05-2011 4:16pm

Spear wrote: »

http://uk.kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

Kotaku has the date November 8th for release and early test shots.

some of those proposed evironments could look amazing, its basically COD meets Crysis 2.

please let this be good, pleeeeease

Leeg17 · 13-05-2011 4:24pm

Moar info

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/13/modern-warfare-3-leak/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Spear · 13-05-2011 4:27pm

Spear wrote: »

http://uk.kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

Kotaku has the date November 8th for release and early test shots.

I'd better add a warning to anyone looking at that. Kotaku have another article (linked at the bottom of that one) which claims to have the entire story progression, including characters and major spoilers.

hightower1 · 13-05-2011 4:42pm

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

Yeah I was like WOW when i saw the FPG, the new shotgun has a Magpul RVG grip, and my god does the Model 1887 look sexy.

I lol'd when I saw the "hasta la vista" carved into the grip!

MarkY91 · 13-05-2011 5:04pm

we might have psn back up for release night..just maby

iMuse · 13-05-2011 5:25pm

Nothing about multiplayer will be revealed till September or so, E3 will just be about the campaign like every other year.

krudler · 13-05-2011 6:04pm

Mogadishu could be a cool mission, will go all Black Hawk Down I bet. those pics of the concept art are great, if its anything like those it could be phenomenal looking on that kind of scale, yay for another AC130 mission too if you play as one of the pilots

hypermuse · 13-05-2011 9:33pm

aint gonna believe ANYTHING till I see **** officially!!

I'm defo a proof or GTFO type!!

Could ****e on bout what I want in MW3 but it just aint gonna happen so i'll cry inside slowly....

Even if the game is a pile of ****e i'll still buy it!! crazy how much influence a game series can have on ya!!

Headshot · 13-05-2011 10:44pm

one thing is for sure, it will be still broken on the consoles unless they have dedicated servers

yimrsg · 13-05-2011 11:00pm

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

Keep stopping power out, having out gave more customizable options, having it back is a step backwards

everlast75 wrote: »

I agree - keep stopping power out of the equation. If there are dedictated servers (please god let there be) then one fella's gun should be equal to the others.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 has dedicated servers and a stopping power analogue in magnum ammo. In that game it's also got a counter in ceramic armour. It's a powerful perk but it's equally powerful to all. Why shouldn't a .50 cal rip a hole in a human in one shot? A blast of shotgun buckshot likewise would incapacitate a combatant if not kill outright. You might complain about it but it's the truth.

In B:BC2 people bitched about it for being overpowered, overused and a COD clone but in COD it's effect is diluted whereby other powerful perks such as Cold blooded & Danger Close were negated in that you were sacrificing another very powerful perk. Juggernaught was hated in COD4 along with martydom but it made the game interesting as the perk combinations were key not the killstreaks which the later games have become focused on.

Snipers with it on were exposed to UAVs. So they're caught with either showing up on radar or losing out on greater likelihood of one-shot-kills. By having it in the same tier as other powerful perks it means that a silenced camper with cold blooded might not have as much of an advantage against a stopping power user even if they have the element of surprise.

The whole concept of dedicated servers is great providing there are no stupidly obvious gamebreaker perks like dangerclose/oma ripe for abuse. MW2 has a far better connection/hit detection system than blackops but black ops allows locale searches. Dedicated servers won't amount to much unless the rest of the game has been thoroughly play-tested.

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