Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Fuhrer · 26-04-2012 2:56pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

but certainly the level of reaction has surprised me and certainly both Strathclyde Police and Tayside Police have taken the threat seriously and been of good assistance to me.

What threat is he referring to?

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 2:57pm

Thanks jelle - again, just look at the interviewers line of questioning.
Drysdale clearly states he hasnt recieved any threats - yet the interviewer asks him time, and time again about "Those threats".

it's a ****ing disgrace.

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 2:58pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

What threat is he referring to?

The threat, that there might actually be a chance of...threats.

This is what it's came to since last night's "suspicious packages".

Madam · 26-04-2012 3:03pm

Eirebear wrote: »

Today's heightened tensions have come from their mishandling and their jumping the gun on the tiniest bit of information.
Not Rangers and not McCoist.

So you don't think Ally's just been a tad to blame for all the hoo ha about the panel members?

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 3:05pm

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I haven't been keeping up with the fine details of the story but from what I have heard I would think McCoist was right to demand transparency, was there any good reason why the 3 panels members should have been kept private apart from them running the risk of getting a few nasty emails?

Also did the Rangers defense team make any criticism of choice of the 3 man panel prior to the judgement being announced?

sfa rules we decided on earlier in the season

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:07pm

Madam wrote: »

So you don't think Ally's just been a tad to blame for all the hoo ha about the panel members?

I'm not sure i understand the question.
How can Ally McCoist be at fault for the media falsely reporting suspicious packages and death threats?
How can Ally McCoist be at fault for the gleeful showing of mockrage from Celtic fans based on these falsified reports?

Was he possibly a little misguided in the interview? Yeah, probably - but that doesnt change the fact that once again the Scottish media and SSN have behaved in an irresponsible and dangerous manner, escalating what is already a tense situation.

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 3:08pm

Eirebear wrote: »

Maybe so - but the reaction to last night's non-story on here, in other parts of the media and elsewhere has been nothing short of over the top.

You're always one of the first people to tear into how things are reported in Scotland, yet for some reason you cannot see just how wrong, misinformed and downright dangerous their actions where last night.
Today's heightened tensions have come from their mishandling and their jumping the gun on the tiniest bit of information.
Not Rangers and not McCoist.

What was dangerous about reporting that police had to give safety advice to people who's identities should had remained confidential? McCoists comments were irresponsible and inflammatory but you rather go on about something else to bring the discussion away from anything that reflects badly on Dignity FC. Had McCoist not gave that interview, despite the club knowing who was on the panel anyways just not allowed to publish it, would this been a news item at all, would police advice needed to be given? No, not likely.

Whos tensions have been heightened today exactly? Their names have all been published now and one is talking to the media in an attempt to end the emails and phone calls. As for those silent phone calls, at least they were smart enough not to say anything that could be used in a court room against them. The knuckledraggers are copping on. :rolleyes:

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 3:10pm

astonishing deflection from the bears

more its not our fault

how is this a non story lol

lubo_moravcik · 26-04-2012 3:12pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ah, that old chestnut again :rolleyes:

Those scumbags have nothing to do with Rangers.

I thought one of them had a rangers top on in his photo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17561849

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:14pm

I give up.

From now on the Scottish media can report whatever the **** they want.
People only seem willing to stand up to it when it involves their own club.

Madam · 26-04-2012 3:16pm

I don't recall any news about death threats but then I don't read the red tops or listen to radio Clyde!

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 3:16pm

Eirebear wrote: »

I give up.

From now on the Scottish media can report whatever the **** they want.
People only seem willing to stand up to it when it involves their own club.

to be fair the sun and record stuck up for him

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 3:19pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

What threat is he referring to?

Those claimed to have been made.

Police have to, by law, investigate things like that, even if it doesn't seem to be true afterwards.

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:19pm

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

astonishing deflection from the bears

more its not our fault

how is this a non story lol

BBC/SSN report "Suspicious Package"
That is downgraded to "Threatening Communication"
Eric Drysdale tells SSN he has "Recieved no direct threats".

Apart from you're utterly hilarious mockrage, there is pretty much nothing to talk about.

You just need to look at the Twitter Feeds of two teenage boys,One is the son of the rangers manager, the other's dad is part of the Celtic coaching staff.
Those two young lads recieve some disgusting comments on a daily basis by "fans" of both our clubs, and it shows the idiocy that is around.
Has this ever been reported?
What makes today any different?
Are lies about suspicious packages acceptable in your media?
Or are you simply delighting in an opportunity to have a (not very interesting) dig at the Rangers support?

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:20pm

Madam wrote: »

I don't recall any news about death threats but then I don't read the red tops or listen to radio Clyde!

Exact words from BBC's initial report last night.
"Police looking into threats from online and mail, Special Branch respond to one member of SFA panel receiving a suspicious package.

Police to comment soon."

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 3:22pm

Eirebear wrote: »

I give up.

From now on the Scottish media can report whatever the **** they want.
People only seem willing to stand up to it when it involves their own club.

Which media outlet said that members of the panel received suspicious packages?

AFAIK, it was reported that one member received advice from Special branch regarding suspect packages. That was said by Jim Spence last night around 9pm. You sure that the media reports said they received packages and not just received advice about suspect packages?

EDIT

I see your post above

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:23pm

See above.

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 3:25pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Those claimed to have been made.

Police have to, by law, investigate things like that, even if it doesn't seem to be true afterwards.

Actually by law they can investigate his comments alone.

Offensive Behaviour and Threatening Communications act, behaviour likely to lead to public disorder which expresses or incites hatred.

Should he be charged?

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 3:44pm

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

Actually by law they can investigate his comments alone.

Offensive Behaviour and Threatening Communications act, behaviour likely to lead to public disorder which expresses or incites hatred.

Should he be charged?

They could try, I doubt it would hold up in court.

the realpigiron · 26-04-2012 3:46pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Here you go:

So until either Strathclyde Police or anyone else from the SFA comes out with who was threatened, in what way and what the threats were I will choose not to believe any of this.

It's a conspiracy I tell ya. The SFA and Strathclyde Polis are in league against the Rainjurrs:pac:

Madam · 26-04-2012 3:51pm

the realpigiron wrote: »

It's a conspiracy I tell ya. The SFA and Strathclyde Polis are in league against the Rainjurrs:pac:

The 'establishment' will soon sort them out;)

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 3:58pm

the realpigiron wrote: »

It's a conspiracy I tell ya. The SFA and Strathclyde Polis are in league against the Rainjurrs:pac:

Nope - Just the media in Scotland being a downright joke.

the realpigiron · 26-04-2012 3:59pm

Eirebear wrote: »

Nope - Just the media in Scotland being a downright joke.

The meeja are in on it too.

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 4:13pm

the realpigiron wrote: »

The meeja are in on it too.

You're in on it i think.

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 4:23pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17858087

Wally Smith gives it the auld 'we're too big/important to be punished/relegated' claptrap and McCoist's reckless comments were just passion and frustration.

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 4:52pm

Dempsey wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17858087

Wally Smith gives it the auld 'we're too big/important to be punished/relegated' claptrap and McCoist's reckless comments were just passion and frustration.

If that's the way you want to read it I guess.

To me it sounds like he just says that there's a reason why the SPL are trying to force us to stay in the SPL: They need the money.
And that if they do decide to kick Rangers out it would have a massive impact on the SPL.

Which is true.

Btw, seems I was right about Lennon being charged:

The Compliance Officer has issued the following Notice of Complaint:

Name: Neil Lennon, Celtic FC
Match: Celtic v Heart of Midlothian (William Hill Scottish Cup) - 15th April 2012
Disciplinary Rule(s) allegedly breached: Rules 203, 68 and 71
Principal Hearing Date: Thursday, 10th May 2012

Mr. Lennon has until Thursday, 3rd May 2012 to respond to the Notice of Complaint.

Rule 203: No member of Team Staff shall commit Misconduct at a match, including but not limited to committing acts of the kind described in the Schedule of Offences in Annex C (including where there is aggravation by any factor, including but not limited to prolongation of the incident; combination of different offences; continued use of offensive, abusing and/ or insulting language and/or behaviour; calling a match official a cheat and/ or calling a match official’s integrity into question; failure to comply with a match official’s requests; adoption of aggressive behaviour towards a match official; any racist, sexist, sectarian and/or otherwise discriminatory element; and the degree of any physical violence), breaching the Post Match Protocol and committing Unacceptable Conduct.

Rule 68: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or micro-blogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a referee for misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means.

Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper.

Took 'em 2 weeks mind you :rolleyes:
Fast track indeed.

the realpigiron · 26-04-2012 4:59pm

Eirebear wrote: »

You're in on it i think.

This conspiracy is growing all the time:)

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 5:03pm

Yep, we're through the looking glass now people!

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 5:19pm

Sandy Jardine: Rangers supporters will take sanctions against other clubs
The Rangers ambassador warned other clubs will feel pain if the Ibrox club suffers severe sanctions.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/305041-sandy-jardine-rangers-supporters-will-take-sanctions-against-other-clubs/

more threatening language

the sense of entitlement is crazy

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 5:25pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If that's the way you want to read it I guess.

To me it sounds like he just says that there's a reason why the SPL are trying to force us to stay in the SPL: They need the money.
And that if they do decide to kick Rangers out it would have a massive impact on the SPL.

Which is true.

Btw, seems I was right about Lennon being charged:

Took 'em 2 weeks mind you :rolleyes:
Fast track indeed.

The SFA/SPL hasnt done anything out of the ordinary yet, the rules have been enforced is all and they are discussing new financial rules going forward. Your slow admin process means that you will hit every possible speed bump, not their fault.

No you arent. You said Lennon would be banned today. I said it cant happen because he hasnt been charged yet and Lunny hasnt written the letter yet. The notice/letter was served today! :rolleyes:

the realpigiron · 26-04-2012 5:52pm

Eirebear wrote: »

Yep, we're through the looking glass now people!

:eek:

wha?

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 5:58pm

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

Sandy Jardine: Rangers supporters will take sanctions against other clubs
The Rangers ambassador warned other clubs will feel pain if the Ibrox club suffers severe sanctions.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/305041-sandy-jardine-rangers-supporters-will-take-sanctions-against-other-clubs/

more threatening language

the sense of entitlement is crazy

“I’m still at the club, I worked under Craig Whyte and I have to say that nobody knew that he wasn’t paying bills. It was as big a shock to us as to everybody in Scottish football.

“The players did nothing wrong, the management of the club did nothing wrong, the supporters did nothing wrong and the staff did nothing wrong.

“The person that did something wrong was Craig Whyte and unfortunately he’s getting a penalty which he’s laughed off. They’ll never get the money but the people still at this club are going to have to pay a penalty because of that.

Jardine is an idiot, sticking your head in the sand about how Craig Whyte ran the club doesnt exempt the club from the rules of the game, nor its responsibility of anyone working on their behalf or proper corporate governance.

As for the punish us and everyone will suffer response, its getting tiresome now and it wont put anyone off punishing the club for 10+ years of mismanagement.

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 6:02pm

Dempsey wrote: »

Jardine is an idiot, sticking your head in the sand about how Craig Whyte ran the club doesnt exempt the club from the rules of the game, nor its responsibility of anyone working on their behalf or proper corporate governance.

As for the punish us and everyone will suffer response, its getting tiresome now and it wont put anyone off punishing the club for 10+ years of mismanagement.

Its Craig Whytes fault though :mad:

Seriously not a good idea threatening clubs who may have a sympathetic ear to their plight.

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 6:05pm

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

Its Craig Whytes fault though :mad:

Seriously not a good idea threatening clubs who may have a sympathetic ear to their plight.

The problems at Rangers didnt start with Craig Whyte

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 6:11pm

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/7706963/Drysdale-in-McCoist-admission

SFA disciplinary panel member Eric Drysdale believes Rangers boss Ally McCoist did not help the situation after he demanded the names of the panel be made public.

McCoist and Rangers could be in trouble for this yet.

shankespony · 26-04-2012 6:58pm

Jardine said that the club should be treated differently because of the club’s stature and said that the outcome had implications for other clubs, including direct action taken by Rangers supporters groups.

Can’t believe the bully/billy boys think its acceptable to go around threatening individuals, state bodies, sponsors etc etc, i had felt a tinge of regret that the ordinary Rangers (IA) fan is suffering but its the lunatic fringe that are getting all the publicity. It now looks like they will become the “NewCo Cosmos” with their trialists in Division 3. It might just be a good thing for scottish football in the long run, lessons learned, and a massive financial boost for division 3,2 &1, like 2 cup games for every club what a windfall if they spend it correctly , pay off debts, upgrade facilities, invest in football camps etc.. 50,000 raging gers fans with dignity and loyalty with a grudge against sfa et al, with them packing out every away ground and should they get promoted back to the spl they will have done the time for the crime. Meanwhile the spl will be getting more competitive, call me a cynic but PL will never get a better opportunity to downsize and sell players (lots of previous but hope im proved wrong) while at the same time 4/5 other teams have a chance to qualify for europa group stage. More of a level playing field for everyone looks like. Hope spl don’t shirk this once in a lifetime opportunity.

Lonesome Boatman · 26-04-2012 7:26pm

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/21st-century-rules-applied-rangers/1302

Ally McCoist's dangerous and cowardly conduct towards SFA

I’ve waited a day or two to write this. And I write on the train from Amsterdam to The Hague to witness the first ever head of state receiving sentence for war crimes.

So everything’s relative. Even Rangers…

And from outwith Glasgow the perspective’s glaring.

Faced with a judicial process at the Scottish Football Association and a due appeal process (active now) to be heard before a retired judge or QC – faced with all that, what does the Rangers manager Ally McCoist do?

Bide his time? Seek appeal advice? Reserve comment on an obviously sub-judicial procedure?

No – he suddenly demands on Rangers TV on Tuesday that the Scottish Football Association panel which imposed a 12 month ban on the club buying players be identified in public.

As an act of such irresponsibility in the current climate beggars belief. Like so many in this drama Mr McCoist goes “public” in an environment where I doubt he’ll never be properly questioned.

Far from letting due process happen and preparing the case for appeal, Mr McCoist chooses a lynch mob approach potentially putting the safety of these people at risk.

It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute. Moreover, some might observe that Mr McCoist’s inflammatory tantrum is in itself likely to bring the club and himself into disrepute.

Will Mr McCoist be equally “public” in facing up to the responsibility of what he’s done? Given the cowardice of his initial act, you have to say it’s doubtful.

Mr McCoist and Rangers need another reminder that even Glasgow football is now living in the 21st century. Rules get applied – even to Rangers. Outside Glasgow football where else would anyone in normal public life question the independence of the panel as he did – then call for them to he named for the mob? Yet the sheer and obvious outrage his actions should provoke raises little adverse comment in the city. No – so much attention remains focused on the astounding fact that a club that broke rules got punished. Doh!

Small wonder it leaves SFA chief executive saying the rules will be applied without fear or favour. But why should he have to? In any normal world this is a given and accepted. In Glasgow football the man imposing the rules has to say he’ll do his job as if it’s news.

Meanwhile, if I get time in the small matter of a war crimes court, I shall ask the SFA if they intend charging Ally McCoist with bringing the game into dispute for questioning the SFA’s motives, independence and arguably, putting the safety of its independent panel at risk.

Meanwhile… Charles Taylor… Sierra Leone… mass rape… child soldiers… death by machete… and a city and a court where yes, they apply the rules without fear or favour and they don’t feel the need to say so.

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 10:53pm

Alex Thomson, liar pur sang.

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 10:55pm

Dempsey wrote: »

Jardine is an idiot, sticking your head in the sand about how Craig Whyte ran the club doesnt exempt the club from the rules of the game, nor its responsibility of anyone working on their behalf or proper corporate governance.

As for the punish us and everyone will suffer response, its getting tiresome now and it wont put anyone off punishing the club for 10+ years of mismanagement.

Management = McCoist, Durrant,...

Eirebear · 26-04-2012 10:59pm

I'm sure we'll see Thomson's true colours on Sunday as he takes his seat in with the Celtic fans.

Dempsey · 26-04-2012 11:02pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Management = McCoist, Durrant,...

He said management of the club, not the team.

RoryMac · 26-04-2012 11:20pm

The BBC have scraped plans for Ally McCoist to return to Question of Sport after he demanded to know the identity of every Mystery Guest.

Jelle1880 · 26-04-2012 11:23pm

RoryMac wrote: »

The BBC have scraped plans for Ally McCoist to return to Question of Sport after he demanded to know the identity of every Mystery Guest.

We demand clarification.

KeithAFC · 27-04-2012 12:07am

Ally McCoist should have just got the Establishment to deal with it.

Dempsey · 27-04-2012 12:10am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Ally McCoist should have just got the Establishment to deal with it.

Peter Lawwell is the new leader of the stonecutters

RoryMac · 27-04-2012 12:13am

Dempsey wrote: »

KeithAFC wrote: »

Ally McCoist should have just got the Establishment to deal with it.

Peter Lawwell is the new leader of the stonecutters

Yeah I heard Whyte didn't pay the membership fees

KeithAFC · 27-04-2012 12:17am

Can't they allow the club to go to division 3. Why do they want to keep Rangers in the SPL?

Dempsey · 27-04-2012 12:18am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Can't they allow the club to go to division 3. Why do they want to keep Rangers in the SPL?

Whos stopping you going to division 3? :rolleyes:

KeithAFC · 27-04-2012 12:22am

Dempsey wrote: »

Whos stopping you going to division 3? :rolleyes:

Seems like these plans are aiming to do that. For me I would rather the club go down to division 3. Much more fun and build the club back up again.

Dempsey · 27-04-2012 12:30am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Seems like these plans are aiming to do that. For me I would rather the club go down to division 3. Much more fun and build the club back up again.

No they are not. Rangers are currently issuing their "if we go down, you'll all suffer" threats.

Seems like ye all are entering stage 3 of grief, anger and bargaining.

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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