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Religion's irony bypass

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  • #52
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    More irony,

    Largest land owner in ireland lectures government on homeless stuff.


  • #53
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Cabaal wrote: »
    More irony,

    Largest land owner in ireland lectures government on homeless stuff.

    Like the charity which won't hand over housing?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/catholic-housing-aid-society-denies-rent-dispute-delaying-occupation-of-complex-1.2023249

    I have to say, Sister Stan puts me right off donating to her charity. Maybe she could ask himself in the Vatican to throw a few of the gold bullions her way to deal with the housing crisis.


  • #54
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Cabaal wrote: »
    More irony,

    Largest land owner in ireland lectures government on homeless stuff.

    Well, never let an opportunity to get a sly dig in..... but they are provisioning emergency shelter for up to 40 homeless people any day now.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/church-opens-doors-to-dublin-homeless-653111.html
    between 30 and 40 people amid a homelessness crisis in the city.

    The shelter will be in a diocesan building in the north inner city.

    Predicted response...
    "Ummh, its the least they could do for their x,y,z..... :mad:"

    If people could once and a while stop being so petty about every action of the RCC then they would not come across as so miserable.


  • #55
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    jank wrote: »
    Well, never let an opportunity to get a sly dig in.....
    What's sly about it? Someone is pointing out the continued hypocrisy of an organisation whose mantra isn't reflected by its actions.
    jank wrote: »
    Predicted response...
    "Ummh, its the least they could do for their x,y,z..... :mad:"
    It's worse than that. It's a PR attempt.
    jank wrote: »
    If people could once and a while stop being so petty about every action of the RCC then they would not come across as so miserable.
    Maybe we should take a leaf from the uplifting and effervescent posting style you bring to the forum?


  • #56
    obplayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭obplayer


    Priest tells primary school pupils as young as seven that Father Christmas ISN'T REAL

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2861116/Priest-tells-primary-school-pupils-young-seven-Father-Christmas-ISN-T-REAL.html


  • #57
    Cabaal
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    jank wrote: »
    Well, never let an opportunity to get a sly dig in.....

    Sly?
    I stated fact,
    The Catholic church is the biggest land owner in Ireland outside pof the Government.

    If we look back at the 1400's, the catholic church owned 1/3'rd of the land in Europe (directly or indirectly).

    They have an obsession with land, plain and simple.


  • #58
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Dades wrote: »

    It's worse than that. It's a PR attempt.

    Well one could view it as a PR attempt. One can view any altruistic act as a PR attempt for others or themselves to see. From Bono to Obama, does everyone have an ulterior motive?

    I am not surprised this narrative is popular in Ireland, we are after all the biggest pessimists and cynics in the world. However, if you live life through that lens which sees every act as Machiavellian with some master-plan of spin and propaganda behind it then one must live a fairly dour, trust-less and lonely life.


  • #59
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    jank wrote: »
    I am not surprised this narrative is popular in Ireland, we are after all the biggest pessimists and cynics in the world.

    And we all know that Ireland has no reason to be pessimistic or cynical of anything the Church says or does :pac:


  • #60
    shruikan2553
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    Get a Christian to talk about islam and prepare for it to rain ironies. Half the time I cant tell if they are taking the piss or just stupid. Lots of talk about how they believe everything in their book but we just pick and choose the nice stuff and how their religion is incompatible with our progressive society.

    Sure the muslims would want laws to enforce their faith! Oh no, a religious person forcing their crazy book on everyone, thanks for the warning.


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  • #61
    katydid
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    fisgon wrote: »
    My first thought of course was, have these people no sense of irony? The very reason she is in Syria in the first place is because of their allah. They are appealing to their religion to fix a problem that it caused in the first place.


    No, the only reason she is in Syria is because of HER INTERPRETATION of her religion. Their interpretation is different.


  • #62
    magicbastarder
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    there is no such thing as religion, only interpretation?


  • #63
    katydid
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    there is no such thing as religion, only interpretation?

    I didn't say that. There is no such thing as one CORRECT interpretation.


  • #64
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    katydid wrote: »
    I didn't say that. There is no such thing as one CORRECT interpretation.

    Which makes it all the more ridiculous for followers of any belief to be allowed to influence or dictate how secular institutions should be run.

    MrP


  • #65
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Which makes it all the more ridiculous for followers of any belief to be allowed to influence or dictate how secular institutions should be run.

    MrP

    Indeed. I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion, however.


  • #66
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    katydid wrote: »
    Indeed. I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion, however.

    Not, perhaps, relevant to this exact conversation, but relevant to the general conversation that crops on of the correctness, or not, of the religious telling other people how to live.

    I guess that you are of the opinion the the religious should not be in a position to influence social policy or make decision about how people live. Surely no one that thinks there can be no correct interpretation would be happy with someone deciding what they could and could not, based on their presumably incorrect interpretation...?

    MrP


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  • #67
    katydid
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    MrPudding wrote: »
    Not, perhaps, relevant to this exact conversation, but relevant to the general conversation that crops on of the correctness, or not, of the religious telling other people how to live.

    I guess that you are of the opinion the the religious should not be in a position to influence social policy or make decision about how people live. Surely no one that thinks there can be no correct interpretation would be happy with someone deciding what they could and could not, based on their presumably incorrect interpretation...?

    MrP
    Of course religion should have no influence on society. Did I suggest otherwise?


  • #68
    fisgon
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    katydid wrote: »
    No, the only reason she is in Syria is because of HER INTERPRETATION of her religion. Their interpretation is different.

    Oh her interpretation. Oh, that's all right, then.

    The question has to be asked, if she hadn't been brought up a muslim, would she have gone to Syria to fight for Allah? The answer of course is "no". And who brought her up? Her parents. Her parents brought her up to respect Allah and to devote her life to him. So that's exactly what she does. She goes to Syria to fight for her god, and the parents pray to the same god for her return. Irony.


  • #69
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    fisgon wrote: »
    Oh her interpretation. Oh, that's all right, then.

    The question has to be asked, if she hadn't been brought up a muslim, would she have gone to Syria to fight for Allah? The answer of course is "no". And who brought her up? Her parents. Her parents brought her up to respect Allah and to devote her life to him. So that's exactly what she does. She goes to Syria to fight for her god, and the parents pray to the same god for her return. Irony.

    Her interpretation isn't "alright", but it's her interpretation, not the definitive version of Islam.

    If her parents had never met, she'd never have been born and never brought up a Muslim. A lot of "if's".

    Her parents brought her up in a certain way. She takes a different stance on it than her parents want. She's a teenager. That's what teenagers do.


  • #70
    joseph brand
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    katydid wrote: »
    Her interpretation isn't "alright", but it's her interpretation, not the definitive version of Islam.

    If her parents had never met, she'd never have been born and never brought up a Muslim. A lot of "if's".

    Her parents brought her up in a certain way. She takes a different stance on it than her parents want. She's a teenager. That's what teenagers do.

    Fascinating.


  • #71
    TwoShedsJackson
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    katydid wrote: »
    She takes a different stance on it than her parents want. She's a teenager. That's what teenagers do.

    I guess storming off to her room shouting that she never asked to be born would be an improvement on going to Syria for a jihad to defend a fairy story.


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  • #72
    Hotblack Desiato
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    katydid wrote: »
    Her interpretation isn't "alright", but it's her interpretation, not the definitive version of Islam.

    There's a definitive version of islam now??

    Scrap the cap!



  • #73
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    There's a definitive version of islam now??

    No...that's the point...


  • #74
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,480 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    katydid wrote: »
    No...that's the point...

    therefore religion is useless as a source of morals. Many of the most appalling acts in recorded human history have been justified by the very same religious texts which people claim today are all about peace and love (or, at least, that all the nasty bits are myth or metaphor.) If it's all in the interpretation, then people take whichever interpretation that reinforces the views/morals they would hold anyway.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #75
    katydid
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    therefore religion is useless as a source of morals. Many of the most appalling acts in recorded human history have been justified by the very same religious texts which people claim today are all about peace and love (or, at least, that all the nasty bits are myth or metaphor.) If it's all in the interpretation, then people take whichever interpretation that reinforces the views/morals they would hold anyway.

    Yes...


  • #76
    fisgon
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    From a BBC report, in the context of the Philippines.....

    "the Pope said that most importantly, no outside institution should impose its views on families.

    Progressive, Western ideas about birth control and gay rights were increasingly being imposed by groups, institutions or nations there, often as a condition for development aid, he said"

    This is coming from the head of an organization that did everything in its power to stop artificial contraception from being legalized in the Philippines, a place where many poor people have six, eight, ten, twelve children, many of whom they can't feed. Again, to repeat, "no outside institution should impose its views on families". The church is not content to just preach its message and tell believers how they should behave, it is adamant that society as a whole should obey Catholic social teaching, irresponsible and nonsensical as it is.

    The Pope lecturing the world about imposing its views on families. Absolute and complete irony bypass.


  • #77
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    fisgon wrote: »
    From a BBC report, in the context of the Philippines.....

    "the Pope said that most importantly, no outside institution should impose its views on families.

    Progressive, Western ideas about birth control and gay rights were increasingly being imposed by groups, institutions or nations there, often as a condition for development aid, he said"

    This is coming from the head of an organization that did everything in its power to stop artificial contraception from being legalized in the Philippines, a place where many poor people have six, eight, ten, twelve children, many of whom they can't feed. Again, to repeat, "no outside institution should impose its views on families". The church is not content to just preach its message and tell believers how they should behave, it is adamant that society as a whole should obey Catholic social teaching, irresponsible and nonsensical as it is.

    The Pope lecturing the world about imposing its views on families. Absolute and complete irony bypass.

    I'm glad his comments on marriage equality were so widely reported. All this claptrap about how he was going to be some progressive, modern pope has been shown up for the nonsense it is. He's still the same sort of representative as all the others, and the fact he was supposed to be a bit 'nicer' about things shows him up even more.


  • #78
    PopePalpatine
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    fisgon wrote: »
    From a BBC report, in the context of the Philippines.....

    "the Pope said that most importantly, no outside institution should impose its views on families.

    Progressive, Western ideas about birth control and gay rights were increasingly being imposed by groups, institutions or nations there, often as a condition for development aid, he said"

    This is coming from the head of an organization that did everything in its power to stop artificial contraception from being legalized in the Philippines, a place where many poor people have six, eight, ten, twelve children, many of whom they can't feed. Again, to repeat, "no outside institution should impose its views on families". The church is not content to just preach its message and tell believers how they should behave, it is adamant that society as a whole should obey Catholic social teaching, irresponsible and nonsensical as it is.

    The Pope lecturing the world about imposing its views on families. Absolute and complete irony bypass.

    The bolded text is all the more chilling when you consider what bull**** the RCC is propagating in Africa. *cough* Uganda *cough*


  • #79
    TwoShedsJackson
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    fisgon wrote: »
    From a BBC report, in the context of the Philippines.....

    "the Pope said that most importantly, no outside institution should impose its views on families.

    Honestly cannot understand how he can say this with anything even remotely resembling a straight face.


  • #80
    Hotblack Desiato
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    lazygal wrote: »
    I'm glad his comments on marriage equality were so widely reported. All this claptrap about how he was going to be some progressive, modern pope has been shown up for the nonsense it is. He's still the same sort of representative as all the others, and the fact he was supposed to be a bit 'nicer' about things shows him up even more.

    There was more, and even worse :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30890989
    "Every people deserves to conserve its identity without being ideologically colonised," the Pope said.

    says the leader of the largest ideologically colonising organisation in the world, which has wiped out entire cultures and murdered millions of people in the name of spreading the 'good news'.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #81
    obplayer
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    There was more, and even worse :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30890989



    says the leader of the largest ideologically colonising organisation in the world, which has wiped out entire cultures and murdered millions of people in the name of spreading the 'good news'.

    Yes but things were different then! You are taking it all out of context!


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  • #82
    Cabaal
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    obplayer wrote: »
    Yes but things were different then! You are taking it all out of context!

    yeah context,
    Its great really.

    A few years from now when marriage equality is the norm in loads more country's they Vatican will claim they were always in support of it and it was part of gods plan for all humans to be treated equally.

    :rolleyes:


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