Lads. W.T.F?

Bigmambo · 17-11-2014 3:30pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think I speak for more than myself when I say this slowly ..... I don't believe you.

Believe what you want. Doesn't alter the facts.

sjb25 · 17-11-2014 3:37pm

She got straight up not a bother on her it was one of the gardai at the end of the tape that looked injured bend over in pain and another poster here said she kicked out as she was pushed so if that's the case I presume u believe she should also be arrests for assaulting a Garda also couple of public order offences that she committed wilful obstruction and also failure to comply

Gatling · 17-11-2014 3:42pm

Bigmambo wrote: »

WTF? How are you stating something as fact when you weren't there to witness it ????

What you want to believe and what happened are two different things.

I'll repeat, slowly for you this time, ... I saw her hit the bollard.

Of course you did .

I don't believe it

When I see actual footage that clearly shows it till then it's bluster.

Did anyone notice despite all these smart phones we only see one angle that offers nothing other than a kick and a shove

Peppa Cig · 17-11-2014 3:44pm

She could have been a suicide bomber.

Those guards are hero's in my opinion.

sjb25 · 17-11-2014 3:45pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

She could have been a suicide bomber.

Those guards are hehero'should my opinion.

wexie · 17-11-2014 3:49pm

hfallada wrote: »

She threw herself infront of a moving car! Throwing yourself infront of a moving car isnt going to end well.

A moving car carrying the current head of government...plenty of countries where she would have gotten much worse treatments.

Peppa Cig · 17-11-2014 3:52pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

She could have been a suicide bomber.

Those guards are hero's in my opinion.

Or a water bomb.....

Sir Gallagher · 17-11-2014 4:05pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

She could have been a suicide bomber.

Those guards are hero's in my opinion.

Lets for a moment think about this utterly stupid scenario. How would flinging someone 4 feet across the road prevent the damage from a bomb?

I can see it now, suicide bomber prevention 101 in Templemore, flinging a 4 stone bag of pototoes across a field to prevent the blast.

Barely There · 17-11-2014 4:22pm

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Lets for a moment think about this utterly stupid scenario. How would flinging someone 4 feet across the road prevent the damage from a bomb?

You could incapacitate them and prevent them detonating the bomb by flinging them really hard into a bollard.

That's what Jack Bauer would have done anyway.

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2014 5:47pm

Time for my tuppence.

We don't see what was happening before the video, she could have had anything in her hands, attempted to break the window of the car, anything. The 2 Gardaí with her could have been struggling with her. The third Garda (all of whom are probably under strict instructions to keep everyone away from the car), while it does appear he was slightly heavy handed, went in to help. He threw her, and she may or may not have hit the bollard (going by the speed of the "lady" falling, and the angle, if she hit the bollard she would have been panned out, but that's just my experience/view talking).

What people need to understand, and as someone mentioned already, there are a few Gardaí and an unknown number of "protestors". The main man in this country was in the car, and the primary responsibility of the Gardaí there, due to current and historical reasons, is his protection. If that means throwing people out of the way, so be it. I'm pretty sure those people would rather have a story about the bad Gardaí to tell in the pub, rather than being arrested and up in front of a Judge, who would most definitely prosecute, considering Kenny is involved.

We also don't see what happened after the video, whether she got straight back up and continued her barrage of abuse, or stayed down and was in actual pain, of if she said to the camera man that she was lucky she didn't get more. We don't know, so we don't know the extent of the injuries, if any.

What i would love to see, once all this blows over, is for each identifiable "protestor" acting in an anti-social or illegal way being prosecuted. I'd love to see it now, might calm a few people down and stop them acting like complete knobs! The Gardaí don't care if someone wants to protest something, but with all these videos going around, it's no wonder there's extra personnel brought in (at the expense of the tax payer) to protest those who shouldn't need protection if these "protestors" kept the protests actually peaceful!

Schindlers Pissed · 17-11-2014 8:23pm

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Lets for a moment think about this utterly stupid scenario. How would flinging someone 4 feet across the road prevent the damage from a bomb?

I can see it now, suicide bomber prevention 101 in Templemore, flinging a 4 stone bag of pototoes across a field to prevent the blast.

It's called "sarcasm"……..and you didn't get it. Not even a little bit.

efb · 17-11-2014 8:32pm

FYI: The Head of State is: Michael D Higgins

S31 · 17-11-2014 8:40pm

that is disgusting! am becoming less and less proud of this country

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-11-2014 1:48am

There's some closing ranks in this thread!!

First off the people frequenting this forum know full well that even going to an emergency, escorting a member of government etc etc you're still bound by the rules of the road, that goes for everyone here be they AGS, fire/ambulance services, army escorts etc.

You also know the rules in relation to pedestrians and giving way to pedestrians.

To deny the member in the hi-viz was in the wrong & heavy handed is just displaying your bias, and ignorance and discredits you.

Its not acceptable to me that in a supposedly civilized society members of AGS should act in this manner, and while I'm usually the first among my family and friends to defend the work AGS do the actions of that member leaves me shocked and disgusted.

Before I'm accused of being thin skinned I've thirty years military service behind me [rtd], so don't make a fool of yourself.

I hope he's made justify his actions, because his actions and those who close ranks around him discredits and demeans AGS.

For shame.

bravestar · 18-11-2014 2:10am

Paige Wet Graphology wrote: »

There's some closing ranks in this thread!!

First off the people frequenting this forum know full well that even going to an emergency, escorting a member of government etc etc you're still bound by the rules of the road, that goes for everyone here be they AGS, fire/ambulance services, army escorts etc.

You also know the rules in relation to pedestrians and giving way to pedestrians.

To deny the member in the hi-viz was in the wrong & heavy handed is just displaying your bias, and ignorance and discredits you.

Its not acceptable to me that in a supposedly civilized society members of AGS should act in this manner, and while I'm usually the first among my family and friends to defend the work AGS do the actions of that member leaves me shocked and disgusted.

Before I'm accused of being thin skinned I've thirty years military service behind me [rtd], so don't make a fool of yourself.

I hope he's made justify his actions, because his actions and those who close ranks around him discredits and demeans AGS.

For shame.

I don't see what military service has to do with this, but since you brought it up, you should know what it's like to have your every move analysed and criticised with the benefit of hindsight and a comfy chair. If you actually did anything with your military service you should also know what it feels like to be in a situation where things are getting out of hand and you have to react.

You don't know what happened before the footage starts, you also don't know what is wrong with the garda at the end of the clip.

Until the unedited version of that footage comes out, I won't be pointing any fingers at anyone.

For shame? Save that for yourself, one who should know better than to jump to conclusions.

Little CuChulainn · 18-11-2014 2:34am

I'm not sure why you are treating this as a simple road traffic incident that was overreacted to. This was a head of government being escorted through a hostile crowd. It wasn't a simple pedestrian either. I mean, if you're just going to ignore situational context completely you just look the fool.

Could he have been softer with her? Probably. Were his actions justified? I'd really want to know why that Garda was doubled over at the end. Or do you also believe he was merely crippled by regret?

masonchat · 18-11-2014 2:54am

Im surprised some comments saying hindsight is easy when the same people apparently have NO sight.

The clip starts early enough that you can see from the body laungauge and facial expressions of the AGS that nothing was happening prior to that woman approaching the car, you can see them react and start to run towards the car.

You can also pretty much deduct from the footage that whatever reason that guard bent over at the end the woman had done nothing intentional to him, if anything at all , she may have stepped on his instep or something , but from the moment she is grabbed with the force exerted on her she has no control .

There is an awful lot of straw clutching going on trying to make light of what happened and it is doing my blood pressure no good.

I hope there is an EDIT investigation thankfully not an inquest into the incident, but im afraid the outcome will probably be a bravery medal for the guard in the hivis for risking his life jumping infront of a speeding car to save enda from the millitant protestor , im out

bravestar · 18-11-2014 9:15am

masonchat wrote: »

Im surprised some comments saying hindsight is easy when the same people apparently have NO sight.

The clip starts early enough that you can see from the body laungauge and facial expressions of the AGS that nothing was happening prior to that woman approaching the car, you can see them react and start to run towards the car.

You can also pretty much deduct from the footage that whatever reason that guard bent over at the end the woman had done nothing intentional to him, if anything at all , she may have stepped on his instep or something , but from the moment she is grabbed with the force exerted on her she has no control .

There is an awful lot of straw clutching going on trying to make light of what happened and it is doing my blood pressure no good.

I hope there is an inquest into the incident, but im afraid the outcome will probably be a bravery medal for the guard in the hivis for risking his life jumping infront of a speeding car to save enda from the millitant protestor , im out

I think an investigation is a bit more likely than an inquest.

guil · 18-11-2014 3:12pm

Saw a quote earlier on Facebook saying she was simply crossing the road and she heard someone shout kenny kenny kenny, she turned around and slapped the bonnet shouting out out out and then the guards grabbed her.

Little CuChulainn · 18-11-2014 3:15pm

guil wrote: »

Saw a quote earlier on Facebook saying she was simply crossing the road and she heard someone shout kenny kenny kenny, she turned around and slapped the bonnet shouting out out out and then the guards grabbed her.

She was on the radio today saying how she is a regular at protests.

Fighting Irish · 18-11-2014 3:16pm

solomafioso wrote: »

A bit excessive all right. Three guards to tackle / throw one girl. I mean both parties are at fault here. She shouldn't have been standing near the car and the guards didn't need to use that much force. No one "wins".

Quite convenient that the hi-vis gets out of the situation (obviously to move down the crowd), but I think there was an ulterior motive :pac:

In fairness i doubt they planned it, it was a spur of the moment situation

guil · 18-11-2014 3:30pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

She was on the radio today saying how she is a regular at protests.

This isn't what u saw earlier but she says she hit the bonnet. Also the guard may have hit his knee on the bollard.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/water-charges-protest-woman-intends-to-lodge-gsoc-complaint-651428.html

wexie · 18-11-2014 3:33pm

Fighting Irish wrote: »

In fairness i doubt they planned it, it was a spur of the moment situation

No no, it was a conspiracy, the woman was a plant and the gards had it all planned to see if they can't escalate the violence so the gubbernment can bring in the german army to restore order jawohl!

guil · 18-11-2014 3:40pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/tall-guard-black-protest-1785683-Nov2014/?utm_source=facebook_short

gctest50 · 18-11-2014 4:50pm

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-tall-guard-in-black-saved-my-life-he-hit-his-knee-instead-of-my-head-30753426.html

Bigmambo wrote: »

WTF? How are you stating something as fact when you weren't there to witness it ????

What you want to believe and what happened are two different things.

I'll repeat, slowly for you this time, ... I saw her hit the bollard.

oh no you didn't :

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-tall-guard-in-black-saved-my-life-he-hit-his-knee-instead-of-my-head-30753426.html

flyingmachine · 18-11-2014 8:53pm

Bigmambo wrote: »

Believe what you want. Doesn't alter the facts.

Was the road not closed

AlekSmart · 18-11-2014 9:33pm

flyingmachine wrote: »

Was the road not closed

Nub of it !

What Paul Murphy and the AAA's buckleppin and codology has brought to Irish Public Life is a realization that one of the cornerstones of a democratic society,free access to public representatives,will now be substantially curtailed.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1314121806&comments=1

If An Taoiseach re-visits the Mansion House next week,then Dawson Street will be closed,and the likes of Fiona Healy and her comrades will be roaring their slogans from behind double-barriers,at least 100 mtrs from the target.

The luxury of an open-top double deck tour bus being stopped directly opposite the man,will also not re-occur,thanks to Fiona,Paul and all those who see some point in this stuff....

It's not protest at all,in any effective sense,more an excercise in self-indulgence and publicity seeking from disaffected individuals.

Fiona Healy,we now know is,since somebody forced her to give up her job, a semi-regular at the oul marches n stuff,but with the cost of rearing a child and high busfares,the girl can't get to as many as she'd like...:)

kerry4sam · 18-11-2014 9:40pm

Look, this is entirely new circumstances for the force. Gone are the days where you'd have hundreds out on a nightly basis, during the boom years... and they had plans in place for those scenarios; they had plans & personnel in place to deal with varying scenarios and learned through time how to better handle various scenarios during the busy nights.

These recent events are not what they are used to. Look, just watch that video again and look at the expressions; watch only the faces of serving members; look at the faces of serving members in all aspects of media highlighting these protest-events and you'll see very anxious; very disturbed; very stressed looking members. I cannot remember when last any such event evoked such a response from serving members. They are just not used to this. So much to learn; and they will learn as they do with all new events they encounter.

The truth is coming out now and sure lookit, even from here, more truth is being revealed. What she was doing what she was doing in a highly volatile situation; she knew how tensions were high and yet she went across the road knowing some action would have to be taken. Lost for words there. Their is protesting and then their is actively looking for trouble.

Lessons will be learned, but all I can say here is I hope members have some forum; some form of 'counseling', section to contact to speak about the stress they are enduring through this. I think I remember seeing a poster up in a station before about peer-support; maybe not. Anywhoo, just don't go looking for trouble in situations where you know members have their job to do; you know members will be highly pressurised & stressed.

Just my tuppence,
kerry4sam

/that video did not make me in any way sick or disturbed. I just observed and tried to understand the highly volatile situation and wondering what took that lady where she did go. So many options she could have taken, but chose that one for reasons confusing me.

Little CuChulainn · 18-11-2014 9:40pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Nub of it !

What Paul Murphy and the AAA's buckleppin and codology has brought to Irish Public Life is a realization that one of the cornerstones of a democratic society,free access to public representatives,will now be substantially curtailed.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1314121806&comments=1

If An Taoiseach re-visits the Mansion House next week,then Dawson Street will be closed,and the likes of Fiona Healy and her comrades will be roaring their slogans from behind double-barriers,at least 100 mtrs from the target.

The luxury of an open-top double deck tour bus being stopped directly opposite the man,will also not re-occur,thanks to Fiona,Paul and all those who see some point in this stuff....

It's not protest at all,in any effective sense,more an excercise in self-indulgence and publicity seeking from disaffected individuals.

Fiona Healy,we now know is,since somebody forced her to give up her job, a semi-regular at the oul marches n stuff,but with the cost of rearing a child and high busfares,the girl can't get to as many as she'd like...:)

Yeah it's strange that she was forced out of her job due to child care costs yet is able to attend numerous demonstrations without that same restriction. I also doubt her claim that she just happened to wander in front of Endas car by chance.

davgtrek · 18-11-2014 9:41pm

I'd like to see what would have happened to her if she did this to the head of state in France,England or imagine USA !!! Ask your Polish friends what would have happened her with Polish police !!She got off lightly and the Guards in Ireland generally show restraint & respect on a level that is probably unique across the world.

Lads. W.T.F?

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