Barao vs Dillashaw 2 a joke?

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 3:25am #1

Dillashaw absoutlely dominated and then the icing on the cake a clean ko, i dont understand why they re giving him a instant rematch i know he was on a good streak but still when you get your ass handed too u like that it should be tough luck!

Thoughts?

Axwell · 24-08-2014 3:55am

evo2000 wrote: »

Dillashaw absoutlely dominated and then the icing on the cake a clean ko, i dont understand why they re giving him a instant rematch i know he was on a good streak but still when you get your ass handed too u like that it should be tough luck!

Thoughts?

33 straight fights without a loss over a 9 year period is more than just a good streak...with a record like that hes more than justified in getting a rematch imo.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 4:34am

Axwell wrote: »

33 straight fights without a loss over a 9 year period is more than just a good streak...with a record like that hes more than justified in getting a rematch imo.

Yeah but he was utterly destroyed for 5 rounds not just beaten destroyed, without any doubt cant be using 9 years as a crutch, i reckon dillashaw will handle him easy again, its a lose lose for dillashaw.

Lenin Skynard · 24-08-2014 6:03am

Agree that Barao's performance doesn't merit a rematch but that division doesn't seem to have a lot happening in it. There's no real other good contenders. It'll be a decent fight I think, Barao will come back strong.

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 6:58am

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Agree that Barao's performance doesn't merit a rematch but that division doesn't seem to have a lot happening in it. There's no real other good contenders.

Disagree. There are plenty viable contenders if Dillashaw remains champ. New champion opens up all new possibilities for title match ups. To my mind there are so many possible eliminator scenarios in the top 5 that it would make the division VERY interesting again particularly as out of the top 3 contenders, one is a team mate of the champion and another has beaten him previously. Of course if Barao reclaims the belt, we're right back where we started.

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

It'll be a decent fight I think, Barao will come back strong.

Agree strongly with you here. Can't believe how many people are writing off Barao because of one bad night at the office. The man didn't get to be considered one of P4P best in the world for nothing. He's coming back strong, you are absolutely correct. Dillashaw though certainly will not underestimate him I think.

Stuxnet · 24-08-2014 9:41am

Jeeeez Baroa had ONE bad fight and people saying he doesnt deserve a re-match

... Of course he does, and it gives TJ a chance to cement it wasnt a fluke,

Moat_Cailin · 24-08-2014 1:31pm

Performance didn't merit a rematch, but, he was a good champion with a huge win streak. It's the fight that will draw the most interest.

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 3:27pm

evo2000 wrote: »

Dillashaw absoutlely dominated and then the icing on the cake a clean ko, i dont understand why they re giving him a instant rematch i know he was on a good streak but still when you get your ass handed too u like that it should be tough luck!

Thoughts?

He also had a tough weight cut going into that fight, I know its your own fault if your not on weight, and not taking anything away from Dillashaw, he was absaloutly quality and I enjoyed the fight, I do think Barao will give a better performance this time.

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 3:33pm

He probably will but he should have had to fight his way back. Assuncao and cruz and faber are other stand outs that could fight for the belt, its not like there were no other options.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 3:35pm

Does dillashaw get a rematch if he loses a split decesion or something? thats why i hate these situations, frankie edgar symdrome i call it where you re stuck in a loop of rematches!

Outside of a close controversial fight i dont think there should be rematches to be honest, it will be a good fight there both top fighters its never gonna be bad but its annoying and holds up the division.

csallmighty · 24-08-2014 3:39pm

An intriguing rematch. Despite his performance Barao deserves a rematch.

Would Dillashaw Assunção 2 be as big a draw for TJ's first title defence?

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 4:34pm

csallmighty wrote: »

An intriguing rematch. Despite his performance Barao deserves a rematch.

Would Dillashaw Assunção 2 be as big a draw for TJ's first title defence?

No it wouldn't but the point is it would be more deserved.

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 4:36pm

adamski8 wrote: »

No it wouldn't but the point is it would be more deserved.

Do you not think someone that has dominated for so long deserves an immediate re match?

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 4:40pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

Do you not think someone that has dominated for so long deserves an immediate re match?

Nope, they were just beaten and secondly if they are so good then let them have at least 1 non title fight and then get a shot.

The only straight rematch should be if its considered a points robbery or a tight split decision, even then it shouldn't be mandatory.

The guy got his ass kicked and finished. Make him have at least 1 more fight and then the rematch down the line means so much more.

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 4:40pm

Also he never beat the true champ dominic cruz ;p

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 4:41pm

adamski8 wrote: »

Nope, they were just beaten and secondly if they are so good then let them have at least 1 non title fight and then get a shot.

The only straight rematch should be if its considered a points robbery or a tight split decision, even then it shouldn't be mandatory.

The guy got his ass kicked and finished. Make him have at least 1 more fight and then the rematch down the line means so much more.

So do you think Anderson Silva deserved a re match with Weidmann str8 away?

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 4:42pm

adamski8 wrote: »

Nope, they were just beaten and secondly if they are so good then let them have at least 1 non title fight and then get a shot.

The only straight rematch should be if its considered a points robbery or a tight split decision, even then it shouldn't be mandatory.

The guy got his ass kicked and finished. Make him have at least 1 more fight and then the rematch down the line means so much more.

You could even make an argument if it he got caught out of the blue with a shot and ko d for a remtach since he dominated so long, but that crutch goes out the window when you re annihilated for 5 rounds then ko d brutally

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 4:44pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

So do you think Anderson Silva deserved a re match with Weidmann str8 away?

Silva wasnt utterly dominated for 5 rounds then ko d he got caught acting the clown, plus the money in a rematch would be mental for the ufc

No comparison really.

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 4:45pm

evo2000 wrote: »

Silva wasnt utterly dominated for 5 rounds then ko d he got caught acting the clown, plus the money in a rematch would be mental for the ufc

No comparison really.

True I suppose, but we all know what Barao is capable of and I seen it been a better fight for him next weekend.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 4:50pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

True I suppose, but we all know what Barao is capable of and I seen it been a better fight for him next weekend.

Oh no doubt he s a good fighter, id just rather they make him fight a title eliminator, maybe him vs cruz (altho that d prob be throwing cruz to the lions) then give him a rematch or something keep the division moving some what.

I think we can all agree that the frankie "The Rematch" edgar effect is never a good thing for a division lol

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 4:55pm

evo2000 wrote: »

Oh no doubt he s a good fighter, id just rather they make him fight a title eliminator, maybe him vs cruz (altho that d prob be throwing cruz to the lions) then give him a rematch or something keep the division moving some what.

I think we can all agree that the frankie "The Rematch" edgar effect is never a good thing for a division lol

I know what yer saying, just champs that have been dominating for so long I think desereve a rematch straight away. Say if Weidmann or Johnny Hendricks where to lose their next fights, I think they should be put in the position you say , Velasquez, Jones, Anderson, Demitrious, Aldo are all worth there salt, and I think Barao falls into there category

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 5:00pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

I know what yer saying, just champs that have been dominating for so long I think desereve a rematch straight away. Say if Weidmann or Johnny Hendricks where to lose their next fights, I think they should be put in the position you say , Velasquez, Jones, Anderson, Demitrious, Aldo are all worth there salt, and I think Barao falls into there category

I agree with what your saying about the category of jones and aldo, so long as they were beaten in a close competitive fight,

mark26ireland · 24-08-2014 5:02pm

evo2000 wrote: »

I agree with what your saying about the category of jones and aldo, so long as they were beaten in a close competitive fight,

Yea , he did get the bashed around, I don't think he took the fight as serious as he should, he struggled to make weight for that fight and had a huge cut as well, that's why I think he performed like that, and TJ came in to the fight in unbelievable shape. do you think TJ beats him as convincingly as last time?

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 5:47pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

So do you think Anderson Silva deserved a re match with Weidmann str8 away?

Silva was a special case. He had been ufc champ for ages and the way he lost left a lot of questions. Baroa hasnt been the champ for long (interim for most).

The question that should be asked more than if barao should be getting the shot is why isnt cruz getting the shot at TJ????

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 6:20pm

Cruz was away far too long to be even an outside consideration for a title shot.

If he gets past Mizugaki, which he should in fairness then he is right up there again, although personally I would have preferred to see him come back against McDonald, thus giving him an even more credible claim to a title shot if he won.

One way or another, there is going to be a LOT of activity at the top end of the BW division over the next 12/18 months.

Devastator · 24-08-2014 6:38pm

I don't understand all the "Barao is coming back strong" talk, it was banged on about last night everytime they talked about the fight but how can anyone say hes coming back strong when he has not fought since?

I was very surprised by the last fight, never in million years expected a fight like that. I hope next week its a cracker

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 6:40pm

mark26ireland wrote: »

Yea , he did get the bashed around, I don't think he took the fight as serious as he should, he struggled to make weight for that fight and had a huge cut as well, that's why I think he performed like that, and TJ came in to the fight in unbelievable shape. do you think TJ beats him as convincingly as last time?

Thats his own fault then to be fair, i reckon tj will beat him soundly prob wont ko him again tho, but his the better stiker and far more athletic better cardio to boot, his the style to beat him aswell.

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 6:43pm

John_D80 wrote: »

Cruz was away far too long to be even an outside consideration for a title shot.

If he gets past Mizugaki, which he should in fairness then he is right up there again, although personally I would have preferred to see him come back against McDonald, thus giving him an even more credible claim to a title shot if he won.

One way or another, there is going to be a LOT of activity at the top end of the BW division over the next 12/18 months.

He was the official champ only 7 months ago. I don't see why its so outlandish.

Crazy that its thought that the champ who wasn't beaten is thought to need fights to get a shot but someone who was throughly beaten is thought by some to deserve an instant rematch.

Id say if gsp came back in a years time no one would have a problem with an instant title fight, dont see how its any different for cruz, only peoples perception that his body may not be up to it.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 6:49pm

adamski8 wrote: »

He was the official champ only 7 months ago. I don't see why its so outlandish.

Crazy that its thought that the champ who wasn't beaten is thought to need fights to get a shot but someone who was throughly beaten is thought by some to deserve an instant rematch.

Id say if gsp came back in a years time no one would have a problem with an instant title fight, dont see how its any different for cruz, only peoples perception that his body may not be up to it.

Gsp wont be back, his on the tail end of his career and with 2 knee surgery's and a lenghty lay off id bet the house we ll never see gsp in the cage again

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 7:40pm

evo2000 wrote: »

Gsp wont be back, his on the tail end of his career and with 2 knee surgery's and a lenghty lay off id bet the house we ll never see gsp in the cage again

Not my point, if ever he does come back it would be automatic title shot

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 8:07pm

adamski8 wrote: »

Not my point, if ever he does come back it would be automatic title shot

It's all relative to time away. No former champion coming back from a near THREE YEAR lay off (ie: Cruz) would get an automatic title shot. Not a hope.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 8:38pm

John_D80 wrote: »

It's all relative to time away. No former champion coming back from a near THREE YEAR lay off (ie: Cruz) would get an automatic title shot. Not a hope.

same as gsp and rightly so, you gave up the spot tough **** lol

That said though cruz was out due to injury and couldnt help it, so after this fight he should get a title shot.

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 8:54pm

evo2000 wrote: »

same as gsp and rightly so, you gave up the spot tough **** lol

That said though cruz was out due to injury and couldnt help it, so after this fight he should get a title shot.

Agreed. A strong showing against Mizugaki could put him back into the top 5 with a legitimate claim to the title shot.

mailburner · 24-08-2014 9:01pm

I dont think barao shouldve got a rematch but when you look at the
division it made perfect sense
Assuncao probably shouldve got it but outside of that theres only faber who
probably wont fight dillashaw (im assuming he wont)

take out these four and the division is as weak as piss
faber got more title shots than most but again there werent too many
contenders in the division outside of himself and cruz but theres little doubt others were more deserving in one or two of these
it still annoyed the hell out of me

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 9:18pm

I don't think Faber would hesitate for one second to fight Dillashaw. Him and Jorgensen were and still are best of friends. And in fairness, he is a pro and he either wants to be champ or not.

mailburner · 24-08-2014 9:25pm

John_D80 wrote: »

I don't think Faber would hesitate for one second to fight Dillashaw. Him and Jorgensen were and still are best of friends. And in fairness, he is a pro and he either wants to be champ or not.

not too many will fight one of their own teammates though in fairness
my own opinion about faber though above most is that he would probably
fights his mother to get the belt but not certain he'd fight dillashaw

feck, i just cant make my mind up to be honest
sorry for rambling

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 9:31pm

mailburner wrote: »

not too many will fight one of their own teammates though in fairness
my own opinion about faber though above most is that he would probably
fights his mother to get the belt

Well yes he has already categorically said he will fight dillashaw at the drop of a hat if let do so!

Said he loves fighting and thats what they train to do. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

Also i have no problem seeing the same guy challenging for the title once they deserve it and prove themselves worthy which faber has time and time again.

mailburner · 24-08-2014 9:33pm

adamski8 wrote: »

Well yes he has already categorically said he will fight dillashaw at the drop of a hat if let do so!

thanks for clearing that up for me

adamski8 · 24-08-2014 9:38pm

John_D80 wrote: »

It's all relative to time away. No former champion coming back from a near THREE YEAR lay off (ie: Cruz) would get an automatic title shot. Not a hope.

Is it? I never saw this relative to time away in effect before?

No one coming off a loss at lower weight class would ever get a title shot at the LHW belt either, oh wait chael sonnen! I dont think there is any particular hard and fast rules in the UFC anyway.

I would defo think GSP would get a title shot after 3 year lay off. If he says he will only come back if he gets a shot they will refuse one of the biggest PPV cash ins of all time your kidding yourself!

John_D80 · 24-08-2014 11:12pm

adamski8 wrote: »

Is it? I never saw this relative to time away in effect before?

No one coming off a loss at lower weight class would ever get a title shot at the LHW belt either, oh wait chael sonnen! I dont think there is any particular hard and fast rules in the UFC anyway.

I would defo think GSP would get a title shot after 3 year lay off. If he says he will only come back if he gets a shot they will refuse one of the biggest PPV cash ins of all time your kidding yourself!

Fair point in relation to selling PPV's. On reconsidering my earlier point, someone like GSP probably would get a title shot after that kinda lay off but absolutely not Dominick Cruz.

In fairness, considering you made a very valid point in relation to GSP's popularity and potential PPV draw, for you to then compare Cruz to GSP is kinda mad. I doubt a title shot was even considered by matchmakers for his return. No way Cruz was gonna be jumping the queue after 3 years absence. GSP he ain't.

evo2000 · 24-08-2014 11:19pm

John_D80 wrote: »

Fair point in relation to selling PPV's. On reconsidering my earlier point, someone like GSP probably would get a title shot after that kinda lay off but absolutely not Dominick Cruz.

In fairness, considering you made a very valid point in relation to GSP's popularity and potential PPV draw, for you to then compare Cruz to GSP is kinda mad. I doubt a title shot was even considered by matchmakers for his return. No way Cruz was gonna be jumping the queue after 3 years absence. GSP he ain't.

Yeah big stars will stand some chance of getting a instant shot since they bring in the $$$$$$ but it entirely depends on the state of the division when they come back aswell, if its stacked with new exciting fighters they could be out of luck!

Mellor · 25-08-2014 5:55am

John_D80 wrote: »

Fair point in relation to selling PPV's. On reconsidering my earlier point, someone like GSP probably would get a title shot after that kinda lay off but absolutely not Dominick Cruz.

In fairness, considering you made a very valid point in relation to GSP's popularity and potential PPV draw, for you to then compare Cruz to GSP is kinda mad. I doubt a title shot was even considered by matchmakers for his return. No way Cruz was gonna be jumping the queue after 3 years absence. GSP he ain't.

Cruz never lost the belt in the octagon. Referring to him simple as a "former champ" is being a bit dismissive.
It's a pretty unique situation, GSP is the only other remotely similar.

Dana said that if Cruz wanted an instant title fight he could have it. He didn't think it would be a smart move from Cruz, but it was his right as he vacated the title undefeated. Cruz opted not to return to a title fight.

adamski8 · 25-08-2014 8:59am

Mellor wrote: »

Cruz never lost the belt in the octagon. Referring to him simple as a "former champ" is being a bit dismissive.
It's a pretty unique situation, GSP is the only other remotely similar.

Dana said that if Cruz wanted an instant title fight he could have it. He didn't think it would be a smart move from Cruz, but it was his right as he vacated the title undefeated. Cruz opted not to return to a title fight.

That is probably how it panned out. Cruz must have decided against it. I didn't think many would choose that option though.

Mellor · 25-08-2014 9:51am

adamski8 wrote: »

That is probably how it panned out. Cruz must have decided against it. I didn't think many would choose that option though.

Cruz always struck me as a smart guy.
Putting pride (and a paycheck) on hold was definitely using his head in bigger picture.

John_D80 · 25-08-2014 9:54am

It's well documented what Dana said in relation to Cruz's return but what Dana says and what actually happens can often be a million miles away from each other in fairness. Regardless of what he said in the press or even to Cruz himself I could not see it happening considering how much the division has changed since he actually said it. What was it, March/April when he said that??

Mellor · 25-08-2014 10:29am

John_D80 wrote: »

It's well documented what Dana said in relation to Cruz's return but what Dana says and what actually happens can often be a million miles away from each other in fairness. Regardless of what he said in the press or even to Cruz himself I could not see it happening considering how much the division has changed since he actually said it. What was it, March/April when he said that??

What he says might not always be true when we're dealing vague statements about future events. But here he was talking about a specific fighter and a specific fight.
He first said it last year, then again in April. The return fight was probably booked within 2 months if that.

Cruz confirmed it last month on the MMA hour.

John_D80 · 25-08-2014 10:39am

Mellor wrote: »

What he says might not always be true when we're dealing vague statements about future events. But here he was talking about a specific fighter and a specific fight.
He first said it last year, then again in April. The return fight was probably booked within 2 months if that.

Cruz confirmed it last month on the MMA hour.

What Dana said was that he would not advise Cruz to take a title fight against 'someone as nasty' as Barao. BW landscape has changed sufficiently enough since then to pretty much discount anything he said about Cruz returning straight into a title shot.

Devastator · 29-08-2014 5:46pm

As the night gets closer I'm look more & more forward to this rematch

evo2000 · 29-08-2014 10:45pm

Devastator wrote: »

As the night gets closer I'm look more & more forward to this rematch

Strangely looking forward to it myself! haha after watching the ufc 177 embeded the more im starting to think barao will win, i think dillashaw has let the title go to his head!

Barao by tko!

3wayswitch · 29-08-2014 10:49pm

Barao is possibly out: http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/noticia/2014/08/renan-barao-passa-mal-e-esta-fora-da-luta-contra-tj-dillashaw-pelo-ufc-177.html

Renan Barão is out of the fight against TJ Dillashaw at UFC 177 The Brazilian fell ill during the afternoon in Sacramento , and was taken to a hospital in the city for reviews . After being treated in hospital, Baron returned to the hotel where he is staying, but can not afford to fight for the belt

More information shortly.

Evy Rodrigues ‏@vevyrodrigues 1m

Barão passed out during the weigh loss process. He was transported to a hospital and is better now, but won't face TJ Dillashaw

unknown13 · 29-08-2014 10:56pm

ESPN reporting it now and Joe Soto has stepped in on 24 hours notice to fight in his UFC debut for the title. Jaysus, they must be that desperate that it took an unknown replacement to take a title fight on that much notice to very likely save the card from being cancelled in its entirety.

Barao vs Dillashaw 2 a joke?

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