Sherlock confirms that ‘Irish SOPA’ has been signed into law

Scuid Mhór · 05-03-2012 7:42pm

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Hilarious. I'm going to pretend you're actually oblivious to what I mean and reiterate that by "Child pornography" I mean "the engagement of children in pornographic acts, recorded (whether via photographic, videographic, or other means) for distribution on the internet".

Child pornography isn't a matter to joke about, so don't even try to.

Despite this, I do not think the bill is a good thing, as it is too invasive, involving tracking ALL data on the internet, and was proposed by the same man as SOPA and PIPA, and was edited to pretty much encapsulate SOPA when it failed.

Now, either make a constructive comment or fuck right off.

:eek: not cool man, that's starbelgrade yo

ottostreet · 05-03-2012 8:43pm

It's all go on Twitter again with #wesaidnosherlock!

Seachmall · 05-03-2012 8:52pm

Friel wrote: »

Probably not, it's hasn't been signed in the US yet.

Ireland is fully entitled to force Youtube to block certain sites and Youtube is fully capable of complying (they have the ability to restrict videos to or from certain countries).

It wouldn't need to be signed in the US, and it won't be signed in the US (it's an Irish law).

In saying that I wouldn't think that those videos would be blocked as a result (they could be though).

warlikedave · 05-03-2012 8:58pm

http://www.irishupandcomingmusicscene.tk/wordpressopen/?p=91

bottom post is from rte 6 One and is of some interest - the consultation itself has been metioned here but just thought id share this

Redisle · 05-03-2012 9:20pm

The concept of solidifying the countries stance on copyright law is one thing that perhaps he could have done well but instead he has passed a totally generic law that is completely open for abuse by "copyright holders". Looks like an early end to a political career regardless.

warlikedave · 05-03-2012 9:24pm

Redisle wrote: »

The concept of solidifying the countries stance on copyright law is one thing that perhaps he could have done well but instead he has passed a totally generic law that is completely open for abuse by "copyright holders". Looks like an early end to a political career regardless.

they could have held off on this SI indeed while this consultation was been conducted - given people a chance to effect some sort of appropriate influence on shaping future and more up to date legislation.

upandcumming · 05-03-2012 10:51pm

44leto wrote: »

You would be caught, the neighbor would get a call asking him for the return of the discs, he would say he never got them, then they would review the cctv footage at the time they lent the discs. You might get away with it if you wore a balaclava or motorbike helmet.

2500 posts in 4 months... I hope they all aren't the same as this crap.

dr.bollocko · 06-03-2012 12:15am

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Mod:
Hello folks.

I've removed some posts containing personal abuse.

Let's not let personal abuse of Mr. Sherlock cheapen our position on how fundamentally wrong and flawed his decision was.

MOD:
Just to clarify my position and explain the above comment.
I am merely snipping insults because this has been something we do with media figures for a while now. This decision has nothing to do with any laws recently passed and is completely unrelated.

Generally speaking, bash threads and thread filled with abuse get locked. In this instance I see no reason to further censor any criticism of what Sherlock has done other than to simply continue to do what we have been doing for a while now with other similar threads and hot topics.
Direct insults, vague threats etc. have been snipped and removed. Any other criticism is welcomed.

On a personal level I like the idea that boards.ie can point to a few threads where pages and pages of criticism have been posted about a bad decision but where we don't make it easy for anyone to pick up the phone and contact a solicitor and get the whole thing pulled.

So if anyone is wondering about a removed post please PM me. I just wanted to clarify my position and help you to understand why some posts have been removed.

Overheal · 06-03-2012 12:25am

<--- Sherlock stole my Megamans, so here is a derivative work

RoundyMooney · 06-03-2012 12:27am

www.labour.ie (genuine link) is now offline.

Overheal · 06-03-2012 12:30am

works for me

RoundyMooney · 06-03-2012 12:35am

Cached?

Reported as being DDOSed, and I can't access it-isitdown sez otherwise, but that's no guarantee...

PogMoThoin · 06-03-2012 12:43am

Yeah, it's up and down, being DDOS'd. They've even posted the tools on twitter.
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyAllSt/status/176813470556225536

ottostreet · 06-03-2012 12:58am

Lol...they are all over the Rubberbandits new video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkEimy0xGTk

smash · 06-03-2012 1:05am

Overheal wrote: »

works for me

fine for me

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 2:08am

Sean Sherlock is responding using seansherlock@hotmail.com as I sent an email to his Oraichteas email and he responded using that address.

He is snarky and cheeky.

stupidusername · 06-03-2012 2:15am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Sean Sherlock is responding using seansherlock@hotmail.com as I sent an email to his Oraichteas email and he responded using that address.

He is snarky and cheeky.

Post up his response

PogMoThoin · 06-03-2012 2:15am

Finally we get some media coverage http://stryfl.com/lns

SEANoftheDEAD · 06-03-2012 2:33am

This is my mail exchange with the Minister on the matter...

Hi Seán,

Congratulations on becoming a US/UK lacky! This law you signed off on is horrible infringment on freedom. Pity the Irish government couldnt make up there own minds on this matter eh? I voted Labour in the general election, I will NEVER vote for your party again after this sly move. I like the way you waited til the referendum news took the headlines before ye slipped this is the back door.

Nice one yeah Seán

What was the content of the law I signed in? Please read copyright review doc.

Sean Sherlock TD
Minister of State

Sent from my iPhone

Hi Seán,

I am angered at the fact that you passed a SOPA-like anti-piracy legislation! From what I can find, it will allow copyright holders to request court injunctions against websites and social networks deemed to be hosting pirated content. Ireland will start getting limited internet access and that is yet another piece of freedom taken away from our people.

I'm actually suprised that you we're allowed pass the legislation without a referendum. Because this is more important than Fiscal in my opinion.

I wonder if the US or the UK never thought of the SOPA idea, would you or the Irish government be the ones to create and implement it? Don't think so!

Regards,
Seán

That's not what I did at all. Read the consultation document oncopyright an then come back. You're sadly misinformed.

Sean Sherlock TD
Minister of State

Sent from my iPhone

Hi Seán,

If you think I have been misinformed, please explain to me what you did? And where I am off the mark? Perhaps send me what you signed in a PDF doc?
You are apart of the government I voted in, and with that vote you signed this without regard to public opinion!
(Which is clearly against this legislation!)

Fair enough I started this mail exchange in a bad manner, but that was because, never in a 100 hundreads years did I expect a reply, let alone you actually read my mail. For this, I appreciate, and fair play to ye, but it dosn't change my stance on what you signed and how you did it!

This legislation stinks and the fact that it went into law with ease shows me that voting for a FG/L government was a really bad choice... This decision making really makes me fear for the future of our country!

Regards
Seán

4 days and counting and I am still waiting on my answer... cheeky little fook isnt he?

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 3:00am

stupidusername wrote: »

Post up his response

I am not sure if I can, or if I should tbh.

What he sent is very cheeky and not helpful.

Fuhrer · 06-03-2012 3:03am

Sherlocks response to every criticism is to read the document.

Hes like a 14 year old playing Quake

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 3:12am

Not only was it childish "read the doc" it was also sly insults about "cop on" and "whats your number I can ring you and discuss the abc's of copyright" etc

warlikedave · 06-03-2012 3:15am

can you pm me his official contact details that he responds to please?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-03-2012 4:14am

Someone said he's replying to (or was replying to) seansherlock@hotmail.com a few posts up but we don't know if utopianruins used that address

old_aussie · 06-03-2012 4:17am

Dave0301 wrote: »

Nice to see the politicians listening to the people who got them into office...

They might have listened if the people had spoken earlier.

Kicking up a fuss about it 10 mins before it's signed was a waste of time.

Too little to late.

StupidLikeAFox · 06-03-2012 4:59am

On page 50 of the consultation paper it states this:

Moreover, Irish law does not yet provide a means by which a rights-holder can get an injunction against an ISP whose customers are infringing copyright. However, as we said in chapter 3, there is a parallel consultation about this issue and we will not address it further in this Review

also on p.49 it invites opinions on whether this scenario should be the case:

For the avoidance of doubt, it is not an infringement of the rights (conferred by this Part) to provide a link on a page on the internet which connects with a work elsewhere on the internet.

however Sean Sherlocks legislation specifically states:

The owner of the copyright in a work may, in respect of that work, apply to the High Court for an injunction against an intermediary to whom (...the relevant law...) applies.

In the consultation paper both ISPs and websites like Google, Facebook and Boards appear to be described as "intermediaries"

And all things considered, does the consultation paper really have anything to do with the SI anyway? Do judges have to consider the consultation paper? (it doesnt appear to be the case)

matrim · 06-03-2012 5:04am

ColHol wrote: »

On page 50 of the consultation paper it states this:

also on p.49 it invites opinions on whether this scenario should be the case:

however Sean Sherlocks legislation specifically states:

In the consultation paper both ISPs and websites like Google, Facebook and Boards appear to be described as "intermediaries"

And all things considered, does the consultation paper really have anything to do with the SI anyway? Do judges have to consider the consultation paper? (it doesnt appear to be the case)

That consultation paper has nothing to do with the SI

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 11:15am

Now I am open to correction, but does the EMI vs UPC decision (http://www.scribd.com/doc/39104491/EMI-v-UPC) and this SI not mean that our courts will likely weigh in heavily in favor of the Music Industry and other copyright holders on any website that does not pay its way out of the potential copyrighted material that passes through it?

Basically the conclusion of that case was they could not provide injunctive relief but it was called for in that particular case.

SEANoftheDEAD · 06-03-2012 11:24am

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Someone said he's replying to (or was replying to) seansherlock@hotmail.com a few posts up but we don't know if utopianruins used that address

I did yeah. I was suprised I actually got a reply to be honest

smash · 06-03-2012 11:38am

seansherlock@hotmail.com is not his account. The alternate email address on the account is: gl*****@hotmail.com

Come on people...

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 11:38am

He replied using that address with an email I submitted to his website form, so unless that information was leaked/stolen then that is his account.

In all his correspondence in the Dáil and elsewhere he states he is open to discussion but he will not change the wording and that this SI is just re-iterating what was in law before but on the other hand it is needed to be in compliance with the EU directive despite both those statements being contradictory?

SEANoftheDEAD · 06-03-2012 12:08pm

smash wrote: »

seansherlock@hotmail.com is not his account. The alternate email address on the account is: gl*****@hotmail.com

Come on people...

Well I mailed him threw his site and his reply came from the hotmail account.
If this is fake, well then there is one very sad person out there pretending to be SS.

Cunning Stunt · 06-03-2012 1:32pm

am following this from abroad - but I have been checking the RTE news website and can't see any articles about the uproar he has caused. Did I miss the ariticle or are RTE deliberately ignoring?

Professey Chin · 06-03-2012 1:41pm

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

am following this from abroad - but I have been checking the RTE news website and can't see any articles about the uproar he has caused. Did I miss the ariticle or are RTE deliberately ignoring?

Ive seen links to a couple of articles on RTEs site but theyre usually ones buried deep down the site.
This is one
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0229/copyright.html

PogMoThoin · 06-03-2012 3:15pm

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

am following this from abroad - but I have been checking the RTE news website and can't see any articles about the uproar he has caused. Did I miss the ariticle or are RTE deliberately ignoring?

I've no doubt in my mind it's being censored, even by Twitter. The trendmap for Ireland showed the hashtag #resignseansherlock (on sunday) and #wesaidnosherlock (monday) trending all over Ireland but it never appeared on Twitter. Many tweets were sent and retweeted directed at the media Twitter accounts, RTE news, TodayFM, Newstalk, all the papers etc. so they definitely got notification of the campaign we've been running. Still little mention, censorship at its finest.

smash · 06-03-2012 3:20pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I've no doubt in my mind it's being censored, even by Twitter. The trendmap for Ireland showed the hashtag #resignseansherlock (on sunday) and #wesaidnosherlock (monday) trending all over Ireland but it never appeared on Twitter. Many tweets were sent and retweeted directed at the media Twitter accounts, RTE news, TodayFM, Newstalk, all the papers etc. so they definitely got notification of the campaign we've been running. Still little mention, censorship at its finest.

Why would Twitter censor that? They have no reason to.

PogMoThoin · 06-03-2012 3:46pm

smash wrote: »

Why would Twitter censor that? They have no reason to.

Not sure, maybe because they were asked to by someone in power or have some sort of facility in place. Twitter have been making changes and do censor now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16753729
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/28/twitter-censorship-and-the-future-of-authoritarianism-in-a-high-tech-world/

wonderfulname · 06-03-2012 4:48pm

matrim wrote: »

That consultation paper has nothing to do with the SI

This, a thousand times over, I want to scream it in his face, every interaction anyone has with him he blocks with that, and not only does he block with it, he does so in a manner to suggest you're the uninformed one, lousy git.

smash wrote: »

Why would Twitter censor that? They have no reason to.

I don't think they intentionally did, like you I don't see why, the first hashtag was literally being spammed everywhere, put in tweets with no content, retweeted repeatedly etc. I think twitter probably have something in place to prevent manipulation of what's 'trending' in the same way google have measures in place against google bombing. Wasn't online to see the second one but I can't imagine it's producing a high percentage of significantly unique tweets.

Cherry_Cola · 06-03-2012 4:51pm

Not sure if this has been posted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17270817

SEANoftheDEAD · 06-03-2012 4:55pm

I think we are looking at the very real possibility of ISP's and I.T companies pulling out of here...

Cunning Stunt · 06-03-2012 7:10pm

This video is on the Frontpage of RTE news site.
Thought it would mention the sh*tstorm that is brewing, but no - quite the opposite...

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2012/0305/media-3218619.html#

Downlinz · 06-03-2012 7:19pm

Six One just ran a story on Anonymous, very negatively slanted and focused on the consequences and jailings that have resulted from actions of this nature in other countries. They actually ran the recent attacks on government websites as examples of this behaviour but neglected to mention the cause or protests behind these attacks...

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 8:24pm

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2012/0305/media-3218619.html

and the survey

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CRC12

06-03-2012 8:29pm

The governments spin department is hard at work publishing negative articles about hacking and the Internet. Don't think we've seen articles such as this one in a long time.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 8:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The governments spin department is hard at work publishing negative articles about hacking and the Internet. Don't think we've seen articles such as this one in a long time.

Eh how is that spin? It is not related to this really.

wonderfulname · 06-03-2012 8:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The governments spin department is hard at work publishing negative articles about hacking and the Internet. Don't think we've seen articles such as this one in a long time.

There's no spin there, like it or not that's just a list of all the verifiable information on the case at this point, and it has nothing to do with sherlock or SOPA, it'd pretty big news internationally in it's own right.

A spin piece would have been an article on how 'Anonymous' 'hacked'/'took down' labour.ie and seansherlock.ie in retaliation for 'being prevented from infringing copyright', along the lines of the articles that appeared in the wake of the whole megaupload fiasco. I have to say I was expecting something small along those lines but thankfully it never appeared.

06-03-2012 8:55pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Eh how is that spin? It is not related to this really.

wonderfulname wrote: »

There's no spin there, like it or not that's just a list of all the verifiable information on the case at this point, and it has nothing to do with sherlock or SOPA, it'd pretty big news internationally in it's own right.

A spin piece would have been an article on how 'Anonymous' 'hacked'/'took down' labour.ie and seansherlock.ie in retaliation for 'being prevented from infringing copyright', along the lines of the articles that appeared in the wake of the whole megaupload fiasco. I have to say I was expecting something small along those lines but thankfully it never appeared.

I meant spin as in numerous articles concerning hacking and copyright infringement are getting major coverage from all the major news outlets. There's been numerous cases similar to this in the past and none have gotten as much attention.

wonderfulname · 06-03-2012 9:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I meant spin as in numerous articles concerning hacking and copyright infringement are getting major coverage from all the major news outlets. There's been numerous cases similar to this in the past and none have gotten as much attention.

A 19 year old councillor’s son from this country, and the back end of it at that, is implicated in serious crimes for which he may find himself extradited to the US, a crime which was infamous in the media when it occurred, and you find it suspicious that, like American and British outlets, Irish media chooses to run the story as soon as it emerges?

Are you fracking kidding me?

Seachmall · 06-03-2012 11:57pm

Some Reddit thing on Sherlock.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-03-2012 11:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I meant spin as in numerous articles concerning hacking and copyright infringement are getting major coverage from all the major news outlets. There's been numerous cases similar to this in the past and none have gotten as much attention.

This has been on the rise (worldwide) for a long time, it is always misunderstood. It is what it is, what it is not is related to the SI.

What Wonderfulname said too.

Sherlock confirms that ‘Irish SOPA’ has been signed into law

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