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Bill Gates wants 1 Billion dead.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    Im surprised you didnt report the post!:pac:lol

    Lab mouse I have a sense of humour you know! :)


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Bill & Linda "saving" lives in India.
    NEW DELHI: In the wake of reports of violation of ethical guidelines and exploitation during the “clinical trials” of HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccine, meant to prevent cervical cancer among women, the Centre on Wednesday advised the State governments to suspend the vaccine programme until the issue is settled.


    Director-General of the Indian Council of Medical Research V.M. Katoch told The Hindu that he had asked the Health Ministry, the State governments and the people not to go ahead with the programme. “There can be no compromise, if ethical issues have been violated by any non-governmental organisation or pharmaceutical company.”
    http://www.thehindu.com/2010/04/08/stories/2010040857390100.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    GAVI, the alliance made up of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Helath Organisation, the World Bank and the vaccine industry, say the economic crisis must not stop the third world vaccination program. they say another £4 billion plus will be needed by 2015 to continue vaccinating children in developing countries worldwide .....

    From BBC News web site;
    The global economic crisis must not be allowed to interfere with the delivery of new vaccines to the developing world, a global health body has warned.

    The money would be better spent on improving basic living conditions, instead of on vaccines. For example, some of the "diseases" GAVI are advocating the use of vaccines for, such as diarrhoea and pneumonia, are entirely preventable, by improving sanitation and living conditions.

    This marks a very subtle, although calculated and strategic move away from advocating the use of vaccines for serious contractible diseases, such as hepatitis and polio, onto promoting their use for treatable, preventable illnesses, such as diarrhoea and pneumonia. In Europe and the US, we wouldn't even consider giving a vaccine to an adult, to treat or prevent, these conditions, let alone a child.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Star_Cow


    That seems a bit crazy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Star_Cow wrote: »
    That seems a bit crazy


    Which bit?

    EDIT:

    1.The Gates Foundation buys shares in Goldman Sachs - and Monsanto
    2.Goldman Sachs makes $1 billion profit on food price speculation

    EXTRACT: The Seattle-based charity endowment, set up by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) founder Bill Gates and his wife, bought a half a million shares in Goldman Sachs during the quarter ended June 30. (item 1)

    NOTE: See the World Development Movement's report, 'The great hunger lottery: how banking speculation causes food crises', for how Goldman Sachs has not only exacerbated hunger but caused long term damage to the fight against global poverty:

    http://www.wdm.org.uk/food-speculation/great-hunger-lottery-how-banking-speculation-causes-food-crises
    ---
    ---
    1.The Gates Foundation Buys Shares Of Goldman Sachs
    Jeanette Borzo
    Dow Jones, August 16 2010 [shortened]
    http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201008161826dowjonesdjonline000326&title=the-gates-foundation-buys-shares-of-goldman-sachs

    SAN FRANCISCO - The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation took advantage of sagging stock prices in the second quarter to add Goldman Sachs Group Inc. ( GS), one of the most storied names in finance, to its portfolio, according to a 13F regulatory filing on Monday.

    The Seattle-based charity endowment, set up by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) founder Bill Gates and his wife, bought a half a million shares in Goldman Sachs during the quarter ended June 30. The investment bank's share price slid during the quarter after the Securities and Exchange Commission leveled civil fraud charges against it on April 16.

    The value of the Gates Foundation's holdings dropped 6% to $11.9 billion over the quarter, down from $12.7 billion in the previous quarter.

    The foundation, known for concentrating on vaccines and AIDS in its charitable work, also added Ecolab Inc. (ECL) and Monsanto Co. (MON) to its portfolio.
    ---
    ---
    2.Goldman Sachs makes $1 billion profit on food price speculation
    The Ecologist, 19 July 2010
    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/542538/goldman_sachs_makes_1_billion_profit_on_food_price_speculation.html

    'Risky and secretive' gambling on the price of coffee, cocoa and wheat is leading to unstable food prices and exacerbating poverty and malnutrition but creating billions of pounds for the banking sector

    Banks such Goldman Sachs are making huge profits by gambling on the prices of key commodity crops such as coffee, cocoa and wheat, according to the campaign group the World Development Movement (WDM).

    By creating funds to allow investors to speculate on the price of food, in the same way they would invest in the shares of a company, banks are able to bet on the price of food.

    However this is leading to higher and more volatile prices which make it more difficult for farmers to plan and invest and also lead to damaging price rises - such as those witnessed in 2007/8 - which hit the poorest families in less industrialised countries hardest.

    Only last month, says WDM, the price of coffee jumped by 20 per cent in three days, after a trader called the bluff of hedge funds that had made millions by selling coffee contracts and betting on the price to fall. This left hedge funds scrambling to buy actual coffee beans, and the price shot up from the extra demand.

    'Nobody benefits from this kind of reckless gambling except a few City wheeler-dealers,' said WDM director Deborah Doane. 'British consumers suffer because it pushes up inflation, British companies suffer because of unpredictable oil and raw material prices, and the world's poorest people suffer because basic foods become unaffordable.'

    Main perpetrators

    The biggest banks involved in the trading are Bank of America, Citibank, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan. Goldman Sachs alone is estimated to have made more than $1 billion from commodities trading in 2009.

    WDM's new report, 'The great hunger lottery', calls for limits to be set on the amount that bankers can bet on food prices and for an end to secretive trading. The US has recently passed tougher regulation for the financial sector but WDM says similar reforms in the EU may not be agreed because of opposition from the City of London and UK Treasury, which still denies speculation played a significant role in the 2007/8 price spikes.

    'Perhaps not coincidentally, London is host to the highest amount of commodity trading outside the United States. Recent opposition to EU regulation of hedge funds by the UK treasury shows that the UK government still gives a disproportionate voice to the financial sector at the expense of other sectors of the economy, and against the interests of citizens,' says the WDM report.


    Also see the



    Exclusive interview with Bill Gates
    Gates brushed aside propaganda against other vaccines and the polio vaccine in particular about being ‘stealth medicines causing infertility in Muslim population. He pointed out that polio vaccine was not even being produced in United States and that Indonesia was the largest producer of the vaccine and that “every day billions of drops are being administered safely to children all over the world”. According to his assessment the biggest problem in deficient coverage of children had less to do with people’s attitudes and more with the lack of physical accessibility by administering teams, specially in Fata areas where the number of polio cases and other infectious diseases was the highest.
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=3471&Cat=13&dt=1/22/2011



    Two newspapers of record present critical analysis of the Gates Foundation 'megabucks against polio' hype
    http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/1/31/4739862.html



    As new outbreaks create new setbacks each year, he has given ever more money, not only for research but for the grinding work on the ground: paying millions of vaccinators $2 or $3 stipends to get pink polio drops into the mouths of children in villages, slums, markets and train stations.

    He also journeys to remote Indian and Nigerian villages to be photographed giving the drops himself. Though he lacks Angelina Jolie’s pneumatic allure, his lingering “world’s richest man” cologne is just as aphrodisiacal to TV cameras.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/health/01polio.html?_r=1


    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9044b19c-2a44-11e0-b906-00144feab49a.html#axzz1CJnGpoS1

    Need to sign up for that one.

    Quote:
    Gates polio goals questioned
    Andrew Jack
    Financial Times
    January 27 2011 22:59

    The “father” of smallpox eradication has cast doubt on whether the same can be achieved for polio, even as Bill Gates steps up a campaign with other donors to raise billions of dollars to tackle the disease.

    Donald Henderson, who ran the World Health Org*anisation’s successful smallpox campaign in the 1960s and 1970s, told the Financial Times that polio eradication had “become more of a ‘movement’ than a public health initiative capable of being examined by objective judgment”. He called instead for a cheaper but sus*tained control program*me with annual immunisations.

    He made his comments 22 years after the agency launched a polio campaign inspired by its success with smallpox – the first and only eradication of a human disease.

    While infections and paralysis have fallen sharply, repeated targets since 2000 have been missed in a programme so far costing donors more than $8bn.

    Mr Gates, the world’s biggest philanthropist, who has made vaccines his priority, has sharply boosted funding for polio in the past two years and this week is intensifying efforts to persuade other donors in the Gulf and at Davos to fill a $720m gap in funds for polio eradication efforts in the coming two years alone.

    His efforts have triggered concern from other health and development organisations, which are fearful that fresh polio support will have a limited effect while crowding out funding for programmes at a time of budget squeezes by governments and private donors.

    Mr Gates told the FT the reduced death and illness from polio were as efficient a use of his money as the other health programmes he was supporting.

    “The benefits are very clear. A failure would be a huge setback for global health.”

    He said polio eradication “will require years of additional work” but he remained optimistic.

    Eradication efforts have been hindered by lack of political support, public suspicion of vaccination, difficulties in immunising remote and mobile populations and challenges in tackling outbreaks, including resistant forms of the disease.

    Several organisations expressed concern privately about the renewed push on polio but refused to speak publicly, saying to do so could jeopardise support from Mr Gates.

    David Molyneux, head of the Global Alliance to Eliminate Lymphatic Filariasis and past president of the Royal Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, said: “A lot more could be done with the money.

    ‘I question the feasibility of eradicating polio.”

    Bruce Aylward, director of the World Health Organisation polio eradication programme, said it would be cheaper to pursue eradication because returning to a less intensive control programme ran the risk of reversion to a time with up to 1,000 deaths and 250,000 cases of paralysis globally every year.




    Mutated Polio From Vaccine Is Spreading in Africa
    A mutation from a live polio vaccine is stalking Nigeria. In a strange twist of logic, experts are claiming that it mutated as it passed through non-immunized children.

    The claim is that children given the live attenuated oral vaccine are properly immunized, but the live virus passes through them and enters local water supplies through their urine or feces. Then, children who have not been immunized pick up the supposedly safe virus by drinking or playing in the water. The weakened virus mutates in them, becoming a new virulent strain
    http://www.gaia-health.com/articles51/000078-Polio-Caused-By-Vaccine.shtml


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    uprising2 wrote: »
    "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent!" [About 1 Billion People!]
    Bill Gates.



    Just fast forward to 2:30.

    From “Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on” by Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at Medical Ethics http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html:
    “In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis]. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    500 million total global population is the target of the Utopia network


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    500 million total global population is the target of the Utopia network

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    kryogen wrote: »
    :)

    Are you Jessica Hyde?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    frag420 wrote: »
    Are you Jessica Hyde?

    Not to my knowledge


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  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭rankingelite


    The title of the video is misleading..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭j80ezgvc3p92xu


    I think Bill Gates comes from a group of Globalists that have always meddled with eugenics and population control. He would like to see the world rid of several billion "undesirables", while he himself has fathered a number of children and owns vast acres of pristine land somewhere in the USA, from what I remember. Himself and fellow globalists also have non-GMO seeds stored in huge vaults in Spitzbergen, north of Norway (Alex Jones did a show about it).

    For those who wish to further explore the topic of the globalist depopulation agenda, here is a great documentary on it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCNLXj-R5Jc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    One of the greatest human beings to have ever inhabited this earth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I think Bill Gates comes from a group of Globalists that have always meddled with eugenics and population control. He would like to see the world rid of several billion "undesirables", while he himself has fathered a number of children and owns vast acres of pristine land somewhere in the USA, from what I remember. Himself and fellow globalists also have non-GMO seeds stored in huge vaults in Spitzbergen, north of Norway (Alex Jones did a show about it).

    For those who wish to further explore the topic of the globalist depopulation agenda, here is a great documentary on it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCNLXj-R5Jc

    They're not very good at the depopulation are thet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    The world is seriously over-populated. We could do with having less people.

    I'm sure it could be lowered without genocide or Chinas policy too.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    The world is seriously over-populated. We could do with having less people.
    After you...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,328 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Here's Bill himself discussing his evil plot to reduce infant mortality and childhood disease. The fiend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    King Mob wrote: »
    Here's Bill himself discussing his evil plot to reduce infant mortality and childhood disease. The fiend.

    He's a wrong'un and no mistake.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    King Mob wrote: »
    Here's Bill himself discussing his evil plot to reduce infant mortality and childhood disease. The fiend.
    Yeah, and Jimmy Saville done a lot for charity too.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Beano wrote: »
    He's a wrong'un and no mistake.
    Well that is what we are discussing. On the face of it he is an example to us all, though dig a little deeper and there is question marks hanging over him.


    1) Why would someone who is on record for wanting to see the world's population reduced devote so much energy into keeping these numbers up?
    2) Why would someone so altruistic and ethically guided have significant investments in Monsanto, BP, Coca-Cola and McDonalds?
    3) Is he doing more harm than good?
    He provides the seed money for poor nations to setup vaccine programmes and this money will eventually run out forcing these poor nations to pick up the ongoing vaccine bills, bills that must be paid to the giant pharma companies, which gates has significant investments in. Would this money be better spent on education, nutrition, clean water, health care workers and so on?
    See an article by Thomas Mountain from Eritrea on this (and all matters relating to the US/Ethiopia/Somalia and Eritrea, if anyone is interested).
    4) Is he using the third world as a giant laboratory and it's undeducated, poverty-stricken people as lab rats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    Why would someone who is on record for wanting to see the world's population reduced devote so much energy into keeping these numbers up?

    So you can't see a difference between wanting to lower the number of children born into poverty and wanting to prevent the unnecessary death of those already in poverty?

    Why would someone so altruistic and ethically guided have significant investments in Monsanto, BP, Coca-Cola and McDonalds?

    As a successful business man he isn't naive enough to believe that this area is so black and white.

    money will eventually run out forcing these poor nations to pick up the ongoing vaccine bills, bills that must be paid to the giant pharma companies..........Would this money be better spent on education, nutrition, clean water, health care workers and so on?

    Initial start up costs would be the most prohibitive after that the problem might be more manageable for the nation to fund themselves. Less sick people equals less strain on the health system also. Maybe he found this area was underfunded compared to the other areas you mention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,328 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    1) Why would someone who is on record for wanting to see the world's population reduced devote so much energy into keeping these numbers up?
    Because, as he details in the video I posted, better medical care and lower rates of infant and child death result in a lower birth rate in the long run.
    When children and adults are less likely to die early, the isn't as much of a need to produce more children.
    This is evidenced by the drop in birthrates in places like Ireland for instance.

    So why would he admit to wanting to kill so many people if the conspiracy is to be believed?
    2) Why would someone so altruistic and ethically guided have significant investments in Monsanto, BP, Coca-Cola and McDonalds?
    Because (if true) the world isn't black and white. And that those companies probably aren't as pure evil as some would like to claim.

    [
    He provides the seed money for poor nations to setup vaccine programmes and this money will eventually run out forcing these poor nations to pick up the ongoing vaccine bills, bills that must be paid to the giant pharma companies, which gates has significant investments in. Would this money be better spent on education, nutrition, clean water, health care workers and so on?
    See an article by Thomas Mountain from Eritrea on this (and all matters relating to the US/Ethiopia/Somalia and Eritrea, if anyone is interested).
    So he's giving away his money to earn money for his conspirators in Big Pharma?
    Why not just skip a step and just give them the money?

    If he's doing it to make money, assuming he has these significant investments. Why give it away and not just keep it and invest in something that would make money more effieciently?
    4) Is he using the third world as a giant laboratory and it's undeducated, poverty-stricken people as lab rats?
    No. As shown in the video he is among other things providing the needed supplies, equipment and infrastructure that is asked for by the educated healthcare professionals in those countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭jeanrose770


    Thats the whole point of vaccines. To reduce the human population. Same with healthcare and pharmaceuticals.
    They are doing a really good good too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Thats the whole point of vaccines. To reduce the human population. Same with healthcare and pharmaceuticals.
    They are doing a really good good too.

    explain how vaccines that prevent fatal diseases reduce the human population?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Thats the whole point of vaccines. To reduce the human population. Same with healthcare and pharmaceuticals.
    They are doing a really good good too.

    Can you show us some figures to back up this claim? Figures that show vaccines are actively killing more people than they save?

    Would you like to make this point to someone who is undergoing chemotherapy with horrible side-effects in order to try and survive cancer?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »



    I think you need to read your own link.
    Some evidence suggests that receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine may increase risk of cancer. However, the majority of studies done in the U.S. and Europe which compare persons who received SV40-contaminated polio vaccine with those who did not have shown no causal relationship between receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine and cancer.

    and the suggestion in this thread has been that vaccines have been deliberately used to kill people. there was no intent to kill. and there was no killing. Unless you think that all the studies are flawed and that the contaminated vaccine caused millions of deaths and that the contamination was done deliberately?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    I think you need to read your own link.

    I did read my own link .. Thank you ... Hard to find as it was removed from the main site

    Would you have voluntary taken that vaccine knowing that some evidence suggested it causes cancer ? Or would you have opted out ?
    Beano wrote: »
    and the suggestion in this thread has been that vaccines have been deliberately used to kill people. there was no intent to kill. and there was no killing. Unless you think that all the studies are flawed and that the contaminated vaccine caused millions of deaths and that the contamination was done deliberately?

    How would you know it was not done deliberately ? ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »
    I did read my own link .. Thank you ... Hard to find as it was removed from the main site

    Would you have voluntary taken that vaccine knowing that some evidence suggested it causes cancer ? Or would you have opted out ?

    But there is no evidence that is causes cancer. Or at least none that would worry me unduly. Worrying that it could give you cancer is more likely to give you cancer than the vaccine itself.
    Some evidence suggests that receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine may increase risk of cancer. However, the majority of studies done in the U.S. and Europe which compare persons who received SV40-contaminated polio vaccine with those who did not have shown no causal relationship between receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine and cancer.


    weisses wrote: »

    How would you know it was not done deliberately ? ...


    How could it have been deliberately contaminated with something that they didnt know exist?
    In the 1950s, rhesus monkey kidney cells, which contain SV40 if the animal is infected, were used in preparing polio vaccines. Because SV40 was not discovered until 1960, no one was aware in the 1950s that polio vaccine could be contaminated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    But there is no evidence that is causes cancer. Or at least none that would worry me unduly. Worrying that it could give you cancer is more likely to give you cancer than the vaccine itself.
    Some evidence suggests that receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine may increase risk of cancer

    It is evidence that suggests this ... not a hunch or epiphany
    Beano wrote: »
    How could it have been deliberately contaminated with something that they didnt know exist?


    Good point

    Although they kept using it until 1963, with at that point the knowledge of using a contaminated polio vaccine.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »
    It is evidence that suggests this ... not a hunch or epiphany
    The majority of scientific evidence suggests that SV40-contaminated vaccine did not cause cancer

    The preponderance of evidence suggested that it didnt.
    weisses wrote: »

    Good point

    Although they kept using it until 1963, with at that point the knowledge of using a contaminated polio vaccine.

    There is no indication on that page they continued to use contaminated samples after they were aware of it and could test for it. SV40 was only discovered in 1960. I doubt they became immediately aware of its consequences until later. Science takes time. Again there is nothing to show that this was done deliberately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    The preponderance of evidence suggested that it didnt.

    Doesn't matter ... Its still evidence so it got to have some merit
    In 2002, the IOM’s Immunization Safety Review Committee considered that the available data was inadequate to conclude whether or not the contaminated polio vaccine may have caused cancer.

    Because there is biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommended continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research.
    Beano wrote: »
    There is no indication on that page they continued to use contaminated samples after they were aware of it and could test for it. SV40 was only discovered in 1960. .

    They continued using the vaccine till 63
    It is estimated that over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine during the period of 1955-1963.
    Beano wrote: »
    I doubt they became immediately aware of its consequences until later. Science takes time. Again there is nothing to show that this was done deliberately.

    That only something you can assume


    http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/iom-reports/sv40-contamination-polio-vaccine-and-cancer

    And to ad
    Our analysis indicates increased rates of ependymomas (37%), osteogenic sarcomas (26%), other bone tumors (34%) and mesothelioma (90%) among those in the exposed as compared to the unexposed birth cohort.
    CONCLUSIONS:
    These data suggest that there may be an increased incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327

    Which could answer your initial quote
    Beano wrote: »
    explain how vaccines that prevent fatal diseases reduce the human population?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Can you show us some figures to back up this claim? Figures that show vaccines are actively killing more people than they save?
    What are you talking about? It should be blindingly obvious to all that massively reducing (or eliminating) deaths from smallpox, polio, tetanus, measles, diphtheria, etc is the best way of killing masses of people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Reekwind wrote: »
    What are you talking about? It should be blindingly obvious to all that massively reducing (or eliminating) deaths from smallpox, polio, tetanus, measles, diphtheria, etc is the best way of killing masses of people.

    reducing deaths from diseases is the best way of killing masses of people? I think you have missed something from your sentence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »
    Doesn't matter ... Its still evidence so it got to have some merit





    They continued using the vaccine till 63





    That only something you can assume


    http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/iom-reports/sv40-contamination-polio-vaccine-and-cancer

    And to ad



    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327

    Which could answer your initial quote


    You still havent come ANYWHERE close to answering the question. Any deaths that resulted from the polio vaccine (and the jury is still out on whether there are any) are a result of a contamination of the virus. a contamination that was removed when it was discovered. they were not a result of the vaccine itself. you dont seem to make this distinction. There is also the question of intent. You have admitted yourself that there was no intent to kill millions of people with the polio vaccine. You have not shown that there was an intent to kill millions of people with any vaccine. Or that millions of people have died from any vaccine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Beano wrote: »
    reducing deaths from diseases is the best way of killing masses of people? I think you have missed something from your sentence.
    No... I don't think I'm the one who's missed something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    You still havent come ANYWHERE close to answering the question. Any deaths that resulted from the polio vaccine (and the jury is still out on whether there are any) are a result of a contamination of the virus. a contamination that was removed when it was discovered. they were not a result of the vaccine itself. you dont seem to make this distinction. There is also the question of intent. You have admitted yourself that there was no intent to kill millions of people with the polio vaccine. You have not shown that there was an intent to kill millions of people with any vaccine. Or that millions of people have died from any vaccine.

    It was discovered in 1960 and children still got vaccinated with it in 1963

    One can only assume why they kept vaccinating.

    The CT could be it was deliberately contaminated, far fetched but a theory nonetheless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    weisses wrote: »
    It was discovered in 1960 and children still got vaccinated with it in 1963

    One can only assume why they kept vaccinating.

    The CT could be it was deliberately contaminated, far fetched but a theory nonetheless

    How is it possible to deliberately contaminate a vaccine with something that nobody knew existed??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    jh79 wrote: »
    How is it possible to deliberately contaminate a vaccine with something that nobody knew existed??

    The part that they didn't know comes from one source ... Maybe someone knew

    More worrying is what they did when they found out

    Theory is they knew earlier because, Hilleman allegedly said
    these vaccines are first tested in Russia, they will help the U.S. win the Olympics because the Russian athletes will all be “loaded down with tumors.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    weisses wrote: »
    The part that they didn't know comes from one source ... Maybe someone knew

    More worrying is what they did when they found out

    Theory is they knew earlier because, Hilleman allegedly said

    Your theory ignores the biology of the viral contamination, they would have struggled to load a lab rat with tumors so even if they had intent (not that i believe they did) why continue if unsuccessful in the lab?.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    jh79 wrote: »
    Your theory ignores the biology of the viral contamination, they would have struggled to load a lab rat with tumors so even if they had intent (not that i believe they did) they didn't have the right method.

    My theory ignores nothing

    You are stacking assumption upon assumption to reach your conclusion.

    I quoted the guy who made the vaccine, don't know how valid it is but its a quote nonetheless

    They had no trouble creating tumors in Hamsters
    An analysis presented at the Vaccine Cell Substrate Conference in 2004[27] suggested that vaccines used in the former Soviet bloc countries, China, Japan, and Africa, could have been contaminated up to 1980, meaning that hundreds of millions more could have been exposed to the virus unknowingly

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    weisses wrote: »
    My theory ignores nothing

    You are stacking assumption upon assumption to reach your conclusion.

    I quoted the guy who made the vaccine, don't know how valid it is but its a quote nonetheless

    They had no trouble creating tumors in Hamsters



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40

    But your theory only works if they were aware of the impact the SC40 contamination might have prior to the initial contamination.

    What did the studies show on SV40 and cancer prior to 1963?

    You could say the SV40 contamination was initially a genuine mistake that was later taken advantage of up to 1980 i suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Reekwind wrote: »
    No... I don't think I'm the one who's missed something.

    so less people dying from disease is the best way of killing masses of people? this must be a troll.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »
    The part that they didn't know comes from one source ... Maybe someone knew

    More worrying is what they did when they found out

    Theory is they knew earlier because, Hilleman allegedly said


    maybe someone knew? and you complain about other people making assumptions

    And if it was introduced deliberately why take it out as soon as sv40 is discovered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    maybe someone knew? and you complain about other people making assumptions

    I also presented a source

    assuming certain things to reach a conclusion apparently debunking a theory is different then assuming certain things to present a Theory ...
    Beano wrote: »
    And if it was introduced deliberately why take it out as soon as sv40 is discovered?

    I also quoted a wiki stating it could be used into the eighties

    and it was definitely used for 3 more years after it was discovered


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Beano wrote: »
    so less people dying from disease is the best way of killing masses of people? this must be a troll.
    Yeah, it must be. Either that or sarcasm. Which could it be? Let's examine this in your own words:

    Less people die from a disease [through vaccinations] is the best way of killing masses of people. Hmm... It's almost as if I'm using sarcasm to belittle the very concept of vaccinations (which by their nature have saved countless millions) being used as instruments of mass murder. What a pickle.

    [Hint: I'm doing it again]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    weisses wrote: »
    I also presented a source

    assuming certain things to reach a conclusion apparently debunking a theory is different then assuming certain things to present a Theory ...



    I also quoted a wiki stating it could be used into the eighties

    and it was definitely used for 3 more years after it was discovered

    it was used for 3 more years after sv40 was discovered. not 3 more years after sv40 was discovered in the vaccine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Yeah, it must be. Either that or sarcasm. Which could it be? Let's examine this in your own words:

    Less people die from a disease [through vaccinations] is the best way of killing masses of people. Hmm... It's almost as if I'm using sarcasm to belittle the very concept of vaccinations (which by their nature have saved countless millions) being used as instruments of mass murder. What a pickle.

    [Hint: I'm doing it again]

    Sarcasm doesnt work in the CT forum. Its impossible to tell it apart from genuine posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Beano wrote: »
    it was used for 3 more years after sv40 was discovered. not 3 more years after sv40 was discovered in the vaccine.

    source ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭weisses


    Reekwind wrote: »
    Yeah, it must be. Either that or sarcasm. Which could it be? Let's examine this in your own words:

    Less people die from a disease [through vaccinations] is the best way of killing masses of people. Hmm... It's almost as if I'm using sarcasm to belittle the very concept of vaccinations (which by their nature have saved countless millions) being used as instruments of mass murder. What a pickle.

    [Hint: I'm doing it again]

    Ohh god ur funny





    Sarcasm does work


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