920xt

tunney · 01-10-2014 10:02am #1

https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/sports/running/forerunner-920xt/prod137024.html

tunney · 01-10-2014 10:03am

GLONASS

mossym · 01-10-2014 10:23am

tunney wrote: »

GLONASS

GPS Enabled - Yes
GLONASS - Yes

so i wonder does it really have both, or are they assuming most people will use GPS as a catch all phrase for a positioning mechanism.

if it's only GLONASS it'll be an expensive toy if the russians pull the funding for it again.

now, to try and find out if the minimum pool length has been dropped from the 20m on the 910 to the 15m on the garmin swim. big factor for those of us stuck in a 17m pool

BennyMul · 01-10-2014 10:39am

Why in the name of all that's wonderful does anyone want to see email, text or other alerts on their watch in a 1" square

mossym · 01-10-2014 10:43am

BennyMul wrote: »

Why in the name of all that's wonderful does anyone want to see email, text or other alerts on their watch in a 1" square

cause Samsung and apple said it was a good idea....

seriously though, wait till strava start sending out text alerts to tell you of an upcoming segment, and what the KOM time is on it. actually if linked to your phone it doesn't even need a text. you'll get a warning coming up to it, and real time tracking against the KOM.

tunney · 01-10-2014 10:46am

mossym wrote: »

GPS Enabled - Yes
GLONASS - Yes

so i wonder does it really have both, or are they assuming most people will use GPS as a catch all phrase for a positioning mechanism.

if it's only GLONASS it'll be an expensive toy if the russians pull the funding for it again.

now, to try and find out if the minimum pool length has been dropped from the 20m on the 910 to the 15m on the garmin swim. big factor for those of us stuck in a 17m pool

Both. GPS accuracy is not consistent globally.

It will have the drill function of the swim which is nice.

mossym · 01-10-2014 10:48am

tunney wrote: »

Both. GPS accuracy is not consistent globally.

It will have the drill function of the swim which is nice.

neither is glonass though right? i thought it was better in northern parts, but worsened as you went south, as the russians focused mainly on home?

some sort of averaging maybe

tunney · 01-10-2014 10:48am

mossym wrote: »

cause Samsung and apple said it was a good idea....

seriously though, wait till strava start sending out text alerts to tell you of an upcoming segment, and what the KOM time is on it. actually if linked to your phone it doesn't even need a text. you'll get a warning coming up to it, and real time tracking against the KOM.

Coupled with the IQ framework we will see this.

tunney · 01-10-2014 10:50am

mossym wrote: »

neither is glonass though right? i thought it was better in northern parts, but worsened as you went south, as the russians focused mainly on home?

some sort of averaging maybe

"Given the current GPS and GLONASS constellations there is now a clear advantage when using GPS and GLONASS together for high precision positioning in mobile applications where there are obstructions to the sky. The GPS and GLONASS receivers are able to maintain RTK Integer at times when GPS-only receivers cannot. The dual-frequency GPS and GLONASS receivers are able to resolve ambiguities faster. "

GLONASS coverage
http://www.oxts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/600_GLONASS_Coverage_Sep10.gif

Okay the coverage aspect isn't huge, the locks without clear skies is.

MojoMaker · 01-10-2014 10:52am

Much nicer & neater looking package than the 910XT but at £150 premium over the outgoing model at the moment it would want to have some really useful additional bells & whistles. Maybe the 910 will start dropping below £200 now?

mossym · 01-10-2014 10:52am

tunney wrote: »

Coupled with the IQ framework we will see this.

given the ability to transmit data outside of the profiles, if someone developed an ant+ tire pressure sensor, you could remove one of the variabilities of turbo trainers and correct for different tire pressures. this would make estimating power etc a lot more feasible on a turbo.

irrelevant with a pm anyway but it indicates the possibilities. the non profile transfer could be very very sweet. i missed the significance when you mentioned it first

tunney · 01-10-2014 11:00am

mossym wrote: »

given the ability to transmit data outside of the profiles, if someone developed an ant+ tire pressure sensor, you could remove one of the variabilities of turbo trainers and correct for different tire pressures. this would make estimating power etc a lot more feasible on a turbo.

This exist AFAIK.

Where it would be GREAT is with computrainers and similar that can be influenced by tyre pressure changing due to heat. Change the offset without calibration based on tyre pressure on the fly......

mossym wrote: »

irrelevant with a pm anyway but it indicates the possibilities. the non profile transfer could be very very sweet. i missed the significance when you mentioned it first

Its okay, not as if you work in this industry.

mossym · 01-10-2014 11:09am

tunney wrote: »

This exist AFAIK.

Where it would be GREAT is with computrainers and similar that can be influenced by tyre pressure changing due to heat. Change the offset without calibration based on tyre pressure on the fly......

should be straight forward enough i'd have thought if the pressure sensors exist.

tunney wrote: »

Its okay, not as if you work in this industry.

actually i don't anymore.

but even then, what i was working on was a long way away from ant+

tunney · 01-10-2014 11:11am

mossym wrote: »

should be straight forward enough i'd have thought if the pressure sensors exist.

Although Racemate are not known for moving quickly on software.

mossym · 01-10-2014 11:15am

would they need to? it's ant+, so they should be transmitting the raw data anyway, it's computrainer would have to write the software i'd have thought

tunney · 01-10-2014 11:33am

Connect IQ will be supported in a firmware upgrade in "early 2015".

tunney · 01-10-2014 11:33am

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/running/forerunner-920xt/prod137024.html

3-5 weeks if ordered from US site, so its available(ish)

sconhome · 01-10-2014 11:58am

tunney wrote: »

3-5 weeks if ordered from US site, so its available(ish)

Expecting 5-6 weeks later in the EU market. Hopefully enough time for any issues to become evident & resolved.

ChickenBalls · 01-10-2014 12:32pm

Timed well with DC Rainmaker's Review - very convenient

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/10/fr920xt-triathlon-details.html

mossym · 01-10-2014 1:46pm

17m pool length support confirmed. sign me up

pointer28 · 01-10-2014 1:49pm

Looks deadly if it works properly.

BTH · 01-10-2014 2:08pm

ChickenBalls wrote: »

Timed well with DC Rainmaker's Review - very convenient

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/10/fr920xt-triathlon-details.html

I started reading that and got bored. Why does he always drone on for so bloody long? And he said at the start that this wasn't an in depth review. :eek:

mossym · 01-10-2014 2:10pm

BTH wrote: »

I started reading that and got bored. Why does he always drone on for so bloody long? And he said at the start that this wasn't an in depth review. :eek:

gear heads like detail...

sconhome · 01-10-2014 2:15pm

BTH wrote: »

I started reading that and got bored. Why does he always drone on for so bloody long? And he said at the start that this wasn't an in depth review. :eek:

Anything more that 'GO' & 'STOP' is wasted on you, isn't it?

On an aside I see there is also a Garmin 920xt thread over 'there' >>

mossym · 01-10-2014 2:27pm

is that the hole they are digging to get rid of all the unwanted polars now that there is a real/working alternative on the market?

(like the atari one from years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_video_game_burial)

sconhome · 01-10-2014 2:43pm

mossym wrote: »

is that the hole they are digging to get rid of all the unwanted polars now that there is a real/working alternative on the market?

No the inference was about looking into a hole in the ground!!

Can't have one thread without a pop at me and my Polar

mossym · 01-10-2014 2:58pm

AKW wrote: »

No the inference was about looking into a hole in the ground!!

Can't have one thread without a pop at me and my Polar

you had to know it was coming. if it wasn't me you know where it would have come from...:)

tunney · 01-10-2014 2:59pm

mossym wrote: »

you had to know it was coming. if it wasn't me you know where it would have come from...:)

For something like this I just rang the shop.....

bryangiggsy · 02-10-2014 6:58am

€539 in Ireland .... $ 499 (€383 in the States) ... Shameful

tunney · 02-10-2014 8:35am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

€539 in Ireland .... $ 499 (€383 in the States) ... Shameful

AFAIK it's numerically the same price for the same packages. Obviously ie $539 including new strap. the currency changes things. Us Euros subsidise the yanks. Much like the dubs and the culchies

mossym · 02-10-2014 8:51am

tunney wrote: »

Much like the dubs and the culchies

says the crowd looking to divert the f%$king river so they can have a wash.

bryangiggsy · 02-10-2014 8:53am

tunney wrote: »

AFAIK it's numerically the same price for the same packages. Obviously ie $539 including new strap. the currency changes things. Us Euros subsidise the yanks. Much like the dubs and the culchies

Slowtwitch are saying on thier indepth review:rolleyes:

MSRP for the watch $449.99 and $499.99 for the premium heart rate monitor bundle.

bryangiggsy · 02-10-2014 9:08am

So what benefits do you think this watch will bring to improve an athletes training?

All i want in a watch is it to be waterproof,have a tri function, tell me hr,speed,cadence and have a wifi functionality that automatically uploads to Training peaks. I already have my garmin edge for the bike.
Is there cheaper garmin watches out there that will do all this?

tunney · 02-10-2014 9:24am

mossym wrote: »

says the crowd looking to divert the f%$king river so they can have a wash.

you keep your water, we'll keep our money...........

tunney · 02-10-2014 9:26am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Slowtwitch are saying on thier indepth review:rolleyes:

MSRP for the watch $449.99 and $499.99 for the premium heart rate monitor bundle.

either way, we get screwed by corporations, this time Garmin are clamping down with warranties.

mossym · 02-10-2014 9:30am

tunney wrote: »

you keep your water, we'll keep our money...........

will stop now before we derail the thread completely

Tibulus · 02-10-2014 10:14pm

An impressive piece of equipment, but is it worth the cash in comparsion to the 910XT. The 910Xt is available for 360eur (see link below) with HRM opposed to the 920XT is 540eur with HRM. 180eur is alot of cash.

http://www.phonesonline.ie/garmin-forerunner-910-xt-hrm-gps-training-watch.html

Worth noting that I currently do not own a Garmin/Polar or similar sports watch and am looking to purcahse my first for next season.

Just looking at the new features of the 920XT I have attempted to put a value on what each is worth to me, admittedly I do not fully understand some and am new to the sport but would be interested it other's opinions.

New Feature Of 920XT over 910 XT
0 – Addition of Bluetooth Smart, WiFi connectivity
10 – Addition of Daily Activity Tracking (steps, Sleep, etc…)
0 – Ability to create Internet connected apps, widgets, data fields (Connect IQ)
0 – Addition of Live Tracking (requires you carry a phone)
0 – A Color Screen (that actually really shows colors)
0 – Creation of Activity Profiles (allows you to create your own)
20 – Running Dynamics (Vertical Oscillation, Ground Contact Time, Cadence)
20 – Recovery Advisor, Recovery Time, Race Predictor
0 – Cycling VO2Max
0 – PR’s (Personal Records)
0 – Regular Watch Mode
0 – UltraTrac (for up to 40 hours of GPS activity…with ANT+ sensor data)
10 – Addition of GLONASS (for increased GPS accuracy)
0 – Garmin VIRB action camera control
10 – Indoor Treadmill support (without a footpod pace/distance)
– Metronome Functionality
20 – Swimming Drill mode (as found on Garmin Swim, Fenix2)
20 – Swimming Interval Rest Timer
20 – Racing against past performances, downloaded performances
10 Smaller
10 Lighter
0 New colours

150 Total

mossym · 02-10-2014 10:19pm

i'll give you a great price on my 910 when i get my 920..:)

the numbers you assigned, how did you arrive at them? connectiq = 0? they seem pretty arbitrary. what do you want from the watch?

Tibulus · 02-10-2014 10:26pm

mossym wrote: »

i'll give you a great price on my 910 when i get my 920..:)

the numbers you assigned, how did you arrive at them? connectiq = 0? they seem pretty arbitrary. what do you want from the watch?

Numbers are just based on what I am looking for from a watch and I did admit that I am no expert and only started researching last week!

Id put a significant value on the 12month Garmin warrenty!

mossym · 02-10-2014 10:31pm

Tibulus wrote: »

Numbers are just based on what I am looking for from a watch and I did admit that I am no expert and only started researching last week!

Id put a significant value on the 12month Garmin warrenty!

no, that's fair enough, you're prioritising the right stuff in my books.

whether it's wprth it or not only you can answer. some of the stuff you ranked is only worth it if you like sifting through data afterwards. is that you?

Tibulus · 02-10-2014 10:47pm

mossym wrote: »

no, that's fair enough, you're prioritising the right stuff in my books.

whether it's wprth it or not only you can answer. some of the stuff you ranked is only worth it if you like sifting through data afterwards. is that you?

Currently just useing Strava and find myself looking back over the small amount of data that I have,

Would be great also GLONASS technology measured distance accurately in open water, I understand this is one of the issue with the 910. But wont know this until someone reports back.

sconhome · 03-10-2014 9:55am

Tibulus wrote: »

New Feature Of 920XT over 910 XT
0 – Addition of Bluetooth Smart, WiFi connectivity
10 – Addition of Daily Activity Tracking (steps, Sleep, etc…)
0 – Ability to create Internet connected apps, widgets, data fields (Connect IQ)
0 – Addition of Live Tracking (requires you carry a phone)
0 – A Color Screen (that actually really shows colors)
0 – Creation of Activity Profiles (allows you to create your own)
20 – Running Dynamics (Vertical Oscillation, Ground Contact Time, Cadence)
20 – Recovery Advisor, Recovery Time, Race Predictor
0 – Cycling VO2Max
0 – PR’s (Personal Records)
0 – Regular Watch Mode
0 – UltraTrac (for up to 40 hours of GPS activity…with ANT+ sensor data)
10 – Addition of GLONASS (for increased GPS accuracy)
0 – Garmin VIRB action camera control
10 – Indoor Treadmill support (without a footpod pace/distance)
– Metronome Functionality
20 – Swimming Drill mode (as found on Garmin Swim, Fenix2)
20 – Swimming Interval Rest Timer
20 – Racing against past performances, downloaded performances
10 Smaller
10 Lighter
0 New colours

150 Total

I'm just highlighting the things which I think you have definitely undervalued (IMO) or possibly missed the potential of.

Wifi connectivity - watch sync with Connect over wifi. Walk into house after session, no more 20min over ANT sessions by the PC. Your data is synced before you are done showering and sitting down with a coffee. Effortless.

Internet apps & fields - have a look at Suunto's Movescount.com to see the sort of stuff that is potentially out there. It allows other developers to come up with their own apps, and enables them to be shared. EG a field test for run or bike testing. Loads of potential there.

Activity Profiles - outside of the standard run, bike, swim, you can now tailor the sports profiles to suit you. Create your own (something I can do on Polar :rolleyes: ) for kayaking, trekking, hillwalking etc. You can set up the profile with bespoke GPS or HR recording rates and other settings. Very handy.

Otherwise, bang on the money with your assessment I think.

tunney · 03-10-2014 10:02am

Tibulus wrote: »

An impressive piece of equipment, but is it worth the cash in comparsion to the 910XT. The 910Xt is available for 360eur (see link below) with HRM opposed to the 920XT is 540eur with HRM. 180eur is alot of cash.

http://www.phonesonline.ie/garmin-forerunner-910-xt-hrm-gps-training-watch.html

Worth noting that I currently do not own a Garmin/Polar or similar sports watch and am looking to purcahse my first for next season.

Just looking at the new features of the 920XT I have attempted to put a value on what each is worth to me, admittedly I do not fully understand some and am new to the sport but would be interested it other's opinions.

New Feature Of 920XT over 910 XT
0 – Addition of Bluetooth Smart, WiFi connectivity
10 – Addition of Daily Activity Tracking (steps, Sleep, etc…)
0 – Ability to create Internet connected apps, widgets, data fields (Connect IQ)
0 – Addition of Live Tracking (requires you carry a phone)
0 – A Color Screen (that actually really shows colors)
0 – Creation of Activity Profiles (allows you to create your own)
20 – Running Dynamics (Vertical Oscillation, Ground Contact Time, Cadence)
20 – Recovery Advisor, Recovery Time, Race Predictor
0 – Cycling VO2Max
0 – PR’s (Personal Records)
0 – Regular Watch Mode
0 – UltraTrac (for up to 40 hours of GPS activity…with ANT+ sensor data)
10 – Addition of GLONASS (for increased GPS accuracy)
0 – Garmin VIRB action camera control
10 – Indoor Treadmill support (without a footpod pace/distance)
– Metronome Functionality
20 – Swimming Drill mode (as found on Garmin Swim, Fenix2)
20 – Swimming Interval Rest Timer
20 – Racing against past performances, downloaded performances
10 Smaller
10 Lighter
0 New colours

150 Total

Pretty important too, no need for two watches

viperlogic · 03-10-2014 11:38am

Like all my previous ones I picked them up in the states. The warranty lock down is a right stinger, well for the consumer, not the Irish shop owners!

If wiggle only had it now that would be sweet as have 17% member discount with them

mloc123 · 03-10-2014 11:48am

All the Garmin watches I have owned.. I have never used the warranty. The US only warranty isn't putting me off that much tbh.

viperlogic · 03-10-2014 11:53am

€320/$405 (with rays 10% discount) is very attractive price for the watch and possible quite worth the gamble

sconhome · 03-10-2014 11:56am

mloc123 wrote: »

All the Garmin watches I have owned.. I have never used the warranty. The US only warranty isn't putting me off that much tbh.

Emmm, big difference between 'owning' and 'using'

viperlogic · 03-10-2014 11:59am

AKW wrote: »

Emmm, big difference between 'owning' and 'using'

True! The 620 is my daily watch thou. Previous models were too big and nasty to be a daily watch.

griffin100 · 03-10-2014 12:07pm

tunney wrote: »

Pretty important too, no need for two watches

If you wear it as a watch it also means everyone will know you are a triathlete as soon as they meet you without you having to tell them or show them your Mdot tattoo

mloc123 · 03-10-2014 12:13pm

AKW wrote: »

Emmm, big difference between 'owning' and 'using'

Says the man who doesn't train

I have used the 310xt and 910xt at least 1400 times combined..

bryangiggsy · 03-10-2014 1:28pm

viperlogic wrote: »

€320/$405 (with rays 10% discount) is very attractive price for the watch and possible quite worth the gamble

Where are you seeing that offer?

920xt

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