Krav Maga

Santa Claus · 26-11-2004 5:59pm #1

Anyone know of anywhere that teaches Krav Maga in Dublin ?

Cheers

Santa

Trizo · 26-11-2004 6:04pm

check out http://www.kravmagaireland.com/
it has all the info i think

Cake Fiend · 26-11-2004 6:05pm

http://www.kravmagaireland.com - training is on North Brunswick St near Smithfield.

AFAIK Patrick Cumiskey is the only qualified KM instructor in Dublin. Damn exepensive though, but you can understand that given the demand. KM is a good way to get your self-defence ability kick-started and Patrick knows what he's doing. Do a search on this forum for more info, there have been a few threads on it in the past.

Coupe · 16-12-2004 12:12am

Hi guys. I've just finished a 12 week course with Patrick Cumisky and I can tell you that it is the best money I have ever spent and will be signing up for more in the new year!
This was my first experiance of martial arts of any kind and I was so impressed by the inclusive, humourous and non rambo way in which he teaches what is a very very serious subject.
To put it bluntly Patrick teaches a system that works, works quickly and is devestating in it's effectiveness. It was amazing how quickly I was able to learn such an effective combat system to the point that I now have complete faith in my ability to deploy it if the need ever arose.
In a nutshell this is a highly effective defense system thought by an expert instructor. My course cost me less than 9euro an hour to learn skills that I'll have forever. A bargin as far as I'm concerned!
In my opinion you cannot learn a more effective combat/self defense system than Krav Maga and certainly you cannot learn one as quickly (and you don't have to wear pyjamas either which is good!).
If you're interested give the guy a call, you'll be impressed by his approach.

dabhal · 16-12-2004 1:47pm

Coupe wrote:

In my opinion you cannot learn a more effective combat/self defense system than Krav Maga and certainly you cannot learn one as quickly

No offence but you havn't really looked have you?

Dabhal

Coupe · 17-12-2004 5:37pm

None taken.
However I did quite a lot of looking before I chose to do it!
And basically if its good enough for the Israeli special forces and the Irish army ranger wing amongst many others to use as their hand to hand combat system thats good enough for me.
I think we can all assume that they are not doing KM just to pass the time in the Curragh...

loz_the_boz · 17-12-2004 5:39pm

Coupe wrote:

None taken.
However I did quite a lot of looking before I chose to do it!
And basically if its good enough for the Israeli special forces and the Irish army ranger wing amongst many others to use as their hand to hand combat system thats good enough for me.
I think we can all assume that they are not doing KM just to pass the time in the Curragh...

LOL - those fearless Army Rangers !

D-Generate · 17-12-2004 5:50pm

The Army Rangers are pretty impressive. Many other countries envy our special forces loz.
The won or came second in some competition about a year ago that had many other special forces in it.

Coupe · 17-12-2004 6:16pm

Many of the Rangers have taken the KM course. Forget Bravo two zero and all that stuff, these boys are the real deal! I take my hat off to them.

By the way Dabhal, I see on another thread you are looking for a way to get out of a headlock. That's covered by class 2.....

Musashi · 18-12-2004 1:39am

I know a guy was in the Irish Army Ranger Wing and served in Liberia and Somalia. Apparently the Aussie SAS thought they were mental as they would parachute into closed canopy jungle to go on patrol.
He said they have won SF comps. which were held without US Army Rangers or SAS competing. His opinion was SAS were too busy and Rangers won't enter if they won't win

Clive · 21-12-2004 11:29am

Ranger Stott.

Im2Lazy · 22-12-2004 1:53am

I have also just finished the Krav Maga course with Patrick Cumiskey so more than likely at one stage have got out of a headlock put on by COUPE (whoever he is). I completely agree with everything he said and just like him I researched the subject before I decided what Martial Art was for me. I wasn't doing this course to fight in competitions, or to be able to walk around with the pride of saying I was a black belt in whatever. I just wanted to be able to know that if I got involved in a confrontaion that I would be the one to walk away form it.

12 Weeks is not much for a life time of peace of mind, 12 weeks into any other Martial Art you would be still be standing in the class in your stupid pyjama's shouting in unison in a foreign language trying to perfect some form (Kata) that will only work if you are attacked in one particular way.

After a 12 week Krav Maga course you can protect yourself from chokes & headlocks from any angle, punches weather hooks/straight punches, knife attacks, ground attacks weather someone is on top of you or trying to kick/punch you and how to deal with multiple attackers.

The simple way of deciding if Krav Maga is for you is to answer this question :
Do you want to do a Martial Art or Self Defence ?

A martial art takes years of training before you might be able to use what you've learned to protect yourself and most have become sports & rules not allowing certain moves with judges/refs there to protect the fighters.

Self Defence is surviving an attack with no rules in a life or death situation not a competition where the Ref can jump in to protect you.
With Krav Maga you can use what you learn in the 1st of your 12 classes to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Musashi · 22-12-2004 2:48am

Not to dismiss Krav Maga but give me 12 weeks with a student drilling them in good hard basics along with situational awareness and some scenario based training and I'm pretty happy they would go away thinking the same way.
I teach Tae Kwon Do, and before you dismiss it,look at the prejudice against it.
Foreign language/Instructor,silly pyjamas,katas,unrealistic responses to attacks,boards don't hit back yadda yadda.I've heard them all.
Now take an Irish instructor teaching you in your street cloths,in English (my Irish is worse than my Korean), no katas and just a few moves drilled into you.
How to hurt other people is pretty much the same no matter where you come from.There are no "secrets".There may or may not be padding depending what you want.
Able to fight in 12 weeks, ok here's the down and dirty,best of luck to you after that.You want to learn a "style" and participate in a sport for the next few years?We can accomodate that too,you might take it as "filler" or extra stuff to keep people coming back.You could also take it as fun to learn even if a lot of it would be highly impractical in a fight,you still get those 12 weeks fighting moves though, and a place to train them every week!
No style is perfect ,not even Krav Maga. Tested in Israel where they fought for their lives? What did Western folks do during two World Wars? There are people in Ireland and the UK who have been trained by war veterans too.The moves will look very similar no matter where you are.Fighting is fighting.
Fair enough,Krav is pared down to the essentials, but can you not see for yourself what could work and "cherry pick" from any other style as well?
The main advantage to more main stream Trad. MA is that there is probably a club near most folks, for a lot less outlay, which is a major consideration if you have a family etc.. to look after!

Do you want to do a Martial Art or Self Defence ?

I study to be able to handle both.I won't throw a jump spinning hook kick at a mugger or eye gouge an opponnent in a tournament.

not allowing certain moves with judges/refs there to protect the fighters.

That is a good policy for competition, it does not mean that the other stuff is not taught and practiced.

With Krav Maga you can use what you learn in the 1st of your 12 classes to protect yourself and your loved ones.

First seminar I ever did in TKD we were shown two strangle holds and a collar choke, so if we learnt nothing else the first hour gave you enough to potentially defend yourself?
Look, do whatever you want, but if you get the right instructor what you are looking for may be on your doorstep!

Clive · 22-12-2004 12:02pm

Im2Lazy wrote:

After a 12 week Krav Maga course you can protect yourself from chokes & headlocks from any angle, punches weather hooks/straight punches, knife attacks, ground attacks weather someone is on top of you or trying to kick/punch you and how to deal with multiple attackers.

Will you be entering the next "Ring of Truth" to prove your point? You won't even have to deal with knives or multiple attackers, just one guy, your own size. If you can deal with all the above then one unarmed man should be childs play.

Coupe · 22-12-2004 2:17pm

Clive you're kinda missing the point. KM is NOT a sport. By its very nature it could never be a sport. It is a H2H combat system designed to allow the user to devestate their attacker/s and to survive at all costs. Be in no doubt, if the situation required it (multiple attackers/weapons etc.) KM is designed to permanently cripple or kill. Not nice I know but it's a them or me situation.

Half the techniques, if used in a competition setting would not only result in the Ref becoming apoplectic but would also buy you a trip to the Four Courts!

Look this is not about who is the toughest or which system is better or worse (it's very much each to their own in my opinion). I have nothing but respect for anyone who takes the time and makes the effort to learn any martial art. There is much that can as Musashi says be "cherry picked" from the different martial arts and added to ones own system.

It is just that KM has been developed for the sole purpose of being deployed on the street/battlefield with maximum destructive force. It has no rules or conventions (just like Leeson St. at 2 am or anywhere else trouble may find you!) and as such has no place in the competitive martial arts world.

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 3:07pm

How do you know all these moves are so deadly? You can't possibly have been shown, or you'd all be dead. Are you dead?

Clive · 22-12-2004 3:33pm

Coupe, I understand that KM doesn't consider itself a "sport", but if it's so effective then surely a practitioner can simply exclude the more "deadly techniques" to compete in MMA (where a huge variety of techniques are allowed).

After a 12 week Krav Maga course you can protect yourself from chokes & headlocks from any angle, punches weather hooks/straight punches, knife attacks, ground attacks weather someone is on top of you or trying to kick/punch you and how to deal with multiple attackers.

Chokes, headlocks, punches and ground attacks are exactly what you come up against in MMA, so unless all of these defences are worthless without some finger-in-the-eye, gnawing-on-testicles action, there's no reason why a KM guy can't do very well in MMA.

Im2Lazy says s/he can do all this after 12 weeks, so I'm simply asking for proof.

If I said I could run the 100m in 5 seconds, but my running style wasn't designed for competition, people would laugh.

soma · 22-12-2004 4:05pm

Krav Maga really has recieved alot of positive press in the last few years - I'd imagine it is a very effective self defence form.

One thing tho.. would anyone here have a (moral?) problem with it's origins..? i.e. the IDF..?

It's just that if one day I was told about this amazing martial art that was developed by nazi storm-troopers, that was honed & perfected as they terrorized jews in the warsaw ghetto - I'd be too disgusted over it's orgins to ignore them & just learn the techniques.

By the same logic, the thought that KM is a system developed by colonising child-killers puts me off.

A good Israeli mate of mine is ex-IDF and christ the stories she has told me.. *shudder*

Im2Lazy · 22-12-2004 4:14pm

Clive I see your point like you I like proof before I can beleive anything but what you're looking for can't be proved because you are looking at it from the angle of Krav Maga being a fighting style.
It's not it's a Self Defence style, it's not a different way of fighting it's a different way of thinking.

One of the first thing you learn are try not to put yourself in harmful situations and not to get hurt in fact the very first thing we learned on the course was the most simple self defence technique EVER so simple in fact it’s a natural instinct of just about every animal on the planet including man when faced with danger “RUN!“

What you’re suggesting for me or any Krav Maga student entering “Ring of Truth” kind of defeats the purpose and puts you directly in harms way.

Also on a completely different argument Brazilian Ju Jitsu is probably the best Martial art for an event like that proven by the fact that Royce Gracie is the only undefeated UFC figther in history. But it's not a form of self defence it's a fighting style. In fact I recently saw a 2 minute interview with John Kavanagh who teaches Mixed martial arts in at www.sgiireland.com specialising in BJJ and in that 2 minutes he said at least 3 times that what he teached isn't Self Defence it's a sport.

In saying that if I went to one of these classes which I have been thinking about I might get my ass kicked but if I am I can tap out and the attacker goes away as per the rules, if any attacker on the street is kicking my ass he'll just continue to do so til I stop him and make him go away.

Remeber Clive
"It's a Different way of thinking not a different way of Fighting"

Musashi · 22-12-2004 4:18pm

http://www.kravmagaireland.com/media/choke.zip

This is the instructor on morning TV showing his killer techniques.

Clive · 22-12-2004 4:43pm

Im2Lazy wrote:

"It's a Different way of thinking not a different way of Fighting"

I appreciate that KM has a different philosophical bent than many "fighting" arts/sports, and I think everyone here will agree that running from trouble is always the best option.

But at some point you must have learned some physical techniques to use when escape isn't an option. That's what I'd like to see tested.

Im2Lazy wrote:

In saying that if I went to one of these classes which I have been thinking about I might get my ass kicked but if I am I can tap out and the attacker goes away as per the rules, if any attacker on the street is kicking my ass he'll just continue to do so til I stop him and make him go away.

Exactly my point. If KM techniques aren't workable on someone your own size when there's a referee and rules to protect you, how will they work against two 18 stone rugby players who are dancing on your head?

dudara · 22-12-2004 4:52pm

12 Weeks is not much for a life time of peace of mind, 12 weeks into any other Martial Art you would be still be standing in the class in your stupid pyjama's shouting in unison in a foreign language trying to perfect some form (Kata) that will only work if you are attacked in one particular way.

there's a lot of prejudice there against those of us that practise a martial art. Yes we do stand in our "pyjamas" learning a foreign language, though rarely in unison

. I wish that I could learn everythingI ever need to protect myself in short lessons over the course of 12 weeks, but I have to say that in reality, unless you're practising your techniques every week or so, will you remember them in a few years?

I'd love to do a KM course to add to what I already know. The honest reason I don't is that they're too expensive right now. I'm not knocking it either, it's always beneficial to learn new techniques, but I wouldn't view it as a guaranteed method of protecting yourself.

Coupe · 22-12-2004 5:00pm

Mick, it doesn't take a genius or even an inexperianced martial artist to figure out that a hammer fist blow to the base of the skull will probably kill someone or stomping on the knee or ankle on the ground will most likely leave them permanently injured. So take a breath and have a think before you shoot from the mouth.

Clive, I take your point entirely, but don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that KM is some "deadly fighter killer" system with lots of secret "touch of death" moves. Its not.

It is however a straight forward no holds barred self defense system that has at its core eye gouging, biting, repeated strikes to the groin, face rips and the smashing of joints on the ground to stop your attacker getting up and coming after you after you've put them down amongst other things. Now does that sound like the kind of thing that's appropriate in competition or is instead more likely to be found in the middle of a melee on a street? It ain't pretty or honourable but it gets the job done.

You're right, any KM student or instructor could tone it down and compete but thats not the point. The motivation for doing KM is not competition. I'm 32, a company director and have absolutly no desire to spend weekends competing in MA events. I have nothing to prove. If I wanted to compete in MA events then I would have taken up one of the traditional arts. I wanted to learn how to defend myself at all costs with no rules quickly and effectively bottom line...

As for the proof... I would refer you back to my earlier posting with respect to the various military units who use the system. I would also suggest that you take a look at the course and talk to Patrick and he will give you all the proof you need.

If you still feel that you still need to compare styles well then by all means compete with a KM opponent but don't ask them to tie their laces together before the race starts.......

Dyr · 22-12-2004 5:01pm

A girl i work with did that KM course. IMO she came away with a very false sense of confidence in what she could do to any would be attacker, dunno if that was caused by her take on it or the course itself. Either way, that video clip wouldnt instill any confidence in me in krav maga, it even has the now legendary defence to a side headlock in it

Roper · 22-12-2004 5:09pm

Hi folks,
I've introduced myself in another topic in case you're wondering who the hell I am!

12 or 5 or 10 week courses in Self Defence Arts like Krav Maga are all well and good for the
man or woman on the street who wants to get some sort of grounding in what to do should
someone attack them.
But thats all it will be, a grounding. Once you've stopped learning you'll stop practising.
Once you stop practising what you know will no longer be useful.

Training full time to be able to defend yourself is, IMHO, a bit like a Cold war.
You'll be training twice or three times a week to prepare for an eventuality which may
never happen. Wheres the fun? Wheres the healthy, sporting atmosphere? What do you get out of it
except maybe paranoia?
All of the things I see people get out of SPORTS, not just martial arts are what I would want
out of an art in which I would be investing time and money. Things like fitness, flexibility,
and an all round good feeling and real confidence that comes from having a healthy attitude.

Thats my two cents anyway!

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 5:09pm

Ok, for one thing the phrase is Shoot from the hip, or Shoot your mouth off. Shoot from the mouth is something you've just made up smartass.

Lots of things are lethal in theory, but you won't be able to kill someone with one precision blow after twelve hours of training, that’s bloody delusional.

I train two hours every day, and I’m not equipped to instantaneously drop several attackers who are out for a scrap. The fact that you think you are after a twelve-week course borders on farcical.

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 5:18pm

Just watched that clip. Its complete nonsense, but the girl is kind of cute, so i might go along.

Coupe · 22-12-2004 5:33pm

Full marks for spotting that one Mick!!!!!!!!! Obviously a professor of English!

If you take a breath and look, I never once suggested that I could "kill someone with a precision blow" or routinely "drop several attackers" that just sounds like something someone who's seen too many Bruce Lee films would say. Do you watch much TV?
I don't need you to make claims on my behalf thanks all the same.

Clive · 22-12-2004 5:33pm

Coupe wrote:

it doesn't take a genius or even an inexperianced martial artist to figure out that a hammer fist blow to the base of the skull will probably kill someone

While theoretically that could happen, in practice the person generally just gets a bit dizzy and covers the back of their head. I know because I've hit people there loads of times and been hit there far too many times. This is the reason why I think such techniques should be tested.

Coupe wrote:

As for the proof... I would refer you back to my earlier posting with respect to the various military units who use the system.

I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one. Soldiers are generally armed, in groups, and can call for backup. People who rarely engage in unarmed combat, to my mind, are not the best people to recommend an unarmed combat style.

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 5:38pm

This seems morally wrong to say, but i hope someday you have to defend yourself using your krav maga skills. I also hope you don't get so badly mangled that you can't come back on the boards and relate how you suddenly realised that what you'd learned didn't work. I seems like the only way to convince people who believe all that "too deadly to show" ****e.

Coupe · 22-12-2004 5:40pm

I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one. Soldiers are generally armed, in groups, and can call for backup. People who rarely engage in unarmed combat, to my mind, are not the best people to recommend an unarmed combat style.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you. Their view is that recourse to H2H combat is a poor reflection on their other tactical skills such as shooting etc. However I wouldn't dismiss their opinion.

Im2Lazy · 22-12-2004 5:52pm

I think the main issue here is "WHAT DO I WANT ?", for myself & COUPE we didn't want to spend our time competing in tournaments or trying to get out black belt.

We wanted to protect ourselves in a street confrontation as quickly and as
effectively as possible without having to train for too long.

Obviously we don't know everything no one does and I'm not saying that other Martial arts have no self defence value....that's where they all came from but nowadays most modern MA's are more sport focused than Defence focuses.

Krav Maga is wholely about Self Defence !

I do argee with DUDARA that "it's always beneficial to learn new techniques" myself personally I am thinking of trying other Martial Arts but not for Self Defence more for fun and to learn more about the other styles.

dudara · 22-12-2004 5:55pm

We wanted to protect ourselves in a street confrontation as quickly and as effectively as possible without having to train for too long.

first of, it's good that you did the course, but you do have to train regularly at things such as this in order to have any kind of effectiveness.

dudara · 22-12-2004 5:58pm

It is however a straight forward no holds barred self defense system that has at its core eye gouging, biting, repeated strikes to the groin, face rips and the smashing of joints on the ground to stop your attacker getting up and coming after you after you've put them down amongst other things. Now does that sound like the kind of thing that's appropriate in competition or is instead more likely to be found in the middle of a melee on a street? It ain't pretty or honourable but it gets the job done.

Coupe, we learn all this as well in TKD, we work on traditional stuff, sparring and self-defense, maybe as not as in depth as KM, but we're told not to be afraid of an eye-gouge, smashing the nose, stamping a persons instep or kneecap.

I think that some traditional martial arts are becoming more modern in outlook and incorporating a self-defense element is a sensible thing to do.

Coupe · 22-12-2004 6:06pm

Well Mick I've made it this far in my life without EVER being in a fight and I fully intend to keep it that way (and no I don't live alone on the top of a mountain in Nepal!).

As for the "too deadly to show" bit you're getting a bit Bruce Lee again!

Look, you are obviously very passionate about MA and thats great. There are many very experianced martial artists on the course (Kempo, Kick Boxing, Ninjitsu come to mind) and all have found it to be a great addition to their already impressive skills. I would be only too delighted for you to learn what I have. There is no big secret to it. Anybody can learn it.

I may indeed end up "mangled" some night as you so charitably put it but it won't be for the want of a self defense system. I'll keep you posted....

Roper · 22-12-2004 6:19pm

"I think the main issue here is "WHAT DO I WANT ?", for myself & COUPE we didn't want to spend our time competing in tournaments or trying to get out black belt.
We wanted to protect ourselves in a street confrontation as quickly and as
effectively as possible without having to train for too long."

Sounds to me like you wanted a quick fix. And now what you have is an untested system in which you have false confidence.......

Coupe · 22-12-2004 6:25pm

Dudara, you are right indeed. Remind me not to bump into you the next time I'm out!!!
From the little I know of them the traditional arts have begun to adapt and evolve in the modern age and that is eminently sensible.
I guess the difference is as my probable training partner Im2Lazy puts it "its all about mind set".
In KM they are all targets of first choice not last resort. This is probably the main reason its not designed for competition.

dudara · 22-12-2004 6:33pm

You've got to realise Coupe, that when we spar, we're fighting in a very set fashion, with a list of rules and points. We will strike to score those points and win the fight.

However, we all know that this is how not to fight in the real world. As a previous poster said, you don't draw a spinning reverse kick in the road. You do something far more effective and dirty. Dirty fighting is what is going to get you home safe. (addendum: If you do fight! best thing is to run)

What I'm trying to say is that most of us here, while having studied traditional arts, are well aware of the reality of street fighting. We're well able to distinguish between the two. TKD, to me, is a sport, but one that also teaches me techniques that might be useful.

Roper · 22-12-2004 6:33pm

Coupe,
Having viewed the video, a lot of what's being demostrated looks exactly like the sort of defence systems I've seen shown in Kenpo, TKD, Shotokan and other such places down the years. Theres not really much there thats new or original. I'm not saying its not effective, I'm just saying that its probably not too far off what your "too sports orientated" schools are teaching without making any "best ever" claims about it.

The mount bit I have to take issue with though. I've had lads much lighter than me pin me when grappling and that simply wouldn't work on them. Never mind a smaller woman or man trying to throw off a serious attacker.

Its hard to judge something on a video though, especially a staged one so maybe there's something I'm not seeing?

Coupe · 22-12-2004 6:35pm

Roper, on the contrary. I went out of curiosity as I always wanted to do a martial art of some discription but wasn't prepared to give it the time. KM gave me the oppertunity to learn a wide variety of skills in a relitively short period of time.
However I have now incorporated it into my routine having just started the advanced training program which takes more than a year training 3 times a week.

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 6:42pm

I agree with roper there, i'm bored argueing the merits of self defence systems, but that escape from mount flat-out doesn't work.

Roper · 22-12-2004 6:50pm

Hmmmmm, making connections here........

TwoKingMick........ are you Sissy?

If so we've met before.

Okay, this whole message looks gay but I promise it makes sense in another context!

TwoKingMick · 22-12-2004 6:52pm

Yes, i assumed you knew

Coupe · 22-12-2004 6:53pm

Guys I never made any "best ever" claims about anything and I certainly never made any comparison between the various systems. All I said was it works for me and I enjoy it. You do something different and best of luck to you I'm sure you enjoy it too.
To me KM is a self defense system and 2 hours of interval training rolled into one.

Im2Lazy · 22-12-2004 6:55pm

I assume you mean that COUPE & I haven't tested it, cos it has been well and truly tested. To be honest I hope I never to have to test it.
As for false confidence I have the confidence that if I needed to I MAY be able to defend myself. That's no more than anyone else including you can say, there is always the unknown elements which we have no control over.

E.G You're a TKD instructor if you got in to a fight with someone on the street he might gets a lucky punch in b4 you have a chance to do anything and you get knocked out and he starts kicking you to death on the side of the road. All your confidence in you practiced MA isn't going to make u any less unconcious or any less dead at the end of it all.

If I do get into situaton I think I will be more able to protect myself now than I was before the course and that's enough for me.

Roper · 22-12-2004 7:53pm

Mick, come to think of it, I probably should have made the connection a little sooner.
Brain's a wee bit fried these days.

This here is just ridiculous though, if you don't mind me saying so:
"I assume you mean that COUPE & I haven't tested it, cos it has been well and truly tested."
It sounds like you're taking for granted what other people have told you works. I personally wouldn't make such a leap of faith if my own personal protection depended on it.

Just a note on Military systems- how many western soldiers do you think have been in life or death hand to hand combat in say the last ten years?
A lot of whats spouted about these guys is pure rubbish. I had a guy tell me that the SAS could do 4 minute miles in full pack non-stop for an hour!

Im2Lazy · 22-12-2004 8:37pm

Hi Roper,

The comment you made about "A lot of whats spouted about these guys is pure rubbish" reffering to Military systems. That's a little bit of an understatement some of it is absolute s**t !

But you have to admit a guy running a mile with a full pack in 4 minutes is a little more beleivable than most of the ridiculous stories from Trad MA about the moves coming from Mythical fights between Cranes & Tigers !!!!

I remember reading that you had a TKD club in Glasnevin in a previous post, where exactly, I wouldn't mind coming down and opening my mind to the alternatives .

Roper · 22-12-2004 9:45pm

Just coming back to something from earlier.
"E.G You're a TKD instructor if you got in to a fight with someone on the street he might gets a lucky punch in b4 you have a chance to do anything and you get knocked out and he starts kicking you to death on the side of the road. All your confidence in you practiced MA isn't going to make u any less unconcious or any less dead at the end of it all."
Your point from the above is true. Nobody has the answers. But at least I'm enjoying the training and the good positive vibes from that rather than constantly worrying about where the next attack is coming from.

"But you have to admit a guy running a mile with a full pack in 4 minutes is a little more beleivable than most of the ridiculous stories from Trad MA about the moves coming from Mythical fights between Cranes & Tigers !!!! "

No argument there. But its still ridiculous!

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dent · 23-12-2004 12:57pm

Glad you guys "Coupe" and "Im2Lazy" found a MA you like and feel will benefit you. Just a quick note though.

You may know how to do the techniques you learned in Krav Maga in a controlled enviroment but without regular drilling and even basic sparring you will find them useless in an actual assault.

You won't have time to think about what you want to do so you have to hope you can pull of these techniques from instinct.

Hope that makes sense.

Im2Lazy · 23-12-2004 1:32pm

I do see where you're coming from and I personally agree that regular drilling is very helpful so I'm going to keep it but Krav Maga was designed with that in mind as there was time to retrain people,

There is an Advanced class for people who have completed the course which I am going to be doing next year.

As for the sparing there isn't that in the traditional sense as in 2 fighters practice til someone wins but there is drills where you are attacked in different situations and have to respond with the correct amount of force to stop the attacker.

Also there is one drill in particluar more in the Advance class where you fight "The Bullet Man" basically an attacker in pads who doesn't stop til you put him down for good, so you do get to experience fighting an actual person it's not just pads.

I do think that sparring is very useful to gain a better understanding of your opponents movements etc. but it's not very pratical in the traditional way with Krav Maga cos we're aiming for the area's most Trad MA either don't allow you to aim for or suggest as a last resort (Groin/Throat/Eyes). There our first target so people would get to badly hurt .

An ideas how to do it let me know, thanks.

Dyr · 23-12-2004 1:43pm

protective goggles and a groin guard?

Krav Maga

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