(23 years on)Search for Philip Cairns to continue for third day

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 1:51pm #1

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/search-for-philip-cairns-to-continue-for-third-day-91231.html

A DIG at a Dublin golf course as part of the search for Philip Cairns, who has been missing for 23 years, is likely to continue into a third day.
Philip disappeared on his way back to school having had lunch with his family on October 23, 1986.

The case has baffled gardaí for more than two decades.

Does anyone remember this case one of the most baffling disappearnces of a child in Ireland

I hope they find him or something about him,the torture the family must be still going through.

admiralofthefleet · 20-05-2009 1:55pm

sensitive subject this but yeah, i hope the family get some closure

My name is URL · 20-05-2009 1:56pm

I don't remember this, but I hope they find something that'll give his family some closure

Rented Mule · 20-05-2009 1:56pm

I hope they find him alive and well with a surpised look saying 'I just stepped out for a few quiet ones'.

Degsy · 20-05-2009 2:03pm

Ther was plenty of evidence to suggest there was or is at least one serial killer in ireland but the cops chose to ignore it for some reason.

mike65 · 20-05-2009 2:08pm

I remember it well, one of those names that has always stuck in my mind.

Lollipops23 · 20-05-2009 2:11pm

before my time,but hope they find something to tell his parents:(

so bizzare that no clues ever cropped up...

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 2:16pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

before my time,but hope they find something to tell his parents:(

so bizzare that no clues ever cropped up...

They have thats why they are searching again.Lets hope something is found or an answer for the family to bring closure.

I think there is only one other case of a child missing in such circumstances i saw on tv.Little girl years previous to this one she went missing between two farms of her family and not even evidence found there either of foul play.

joker77 · 20-05-2009 2:17pm

Happened just around the corner from me, so remember it very well.

It was tragic at the time, he more or less vanished into thin air - there was no clue as to what happened.

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 2:18pm

mike65 wrote: »

I remember it well, one of those names that has always stuck in my mind.

Yeah never forgot this

I remember been not allowed off my road for months,changed the way my mom was about freedom to wander around in your own estate.

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 2:19pm

Degsy wrote: »

Ther was plenty of evidence to suggest there was or is at least one serial killer in ireland but the cops chose to ignore it for some reason.

But wasnt that to do with the women disappearing? And i think very weird how no one has found any sign of them aswell.
How do these people get away with it:(

dlofnep · 20-05-2009 2:22pm

Must be terrible for the family to get no closure. I find it weird that evidence comes up like 20 years later. His name rings a bell, but I would of only been a young lad when that happened so I don't really remember it.

Degsy · 20-05-2009 2:23pm

shqipshume wrote: »

And i think very weird how no one has found any sign of them aswell.
How do these people get away with it:(

Parts of the country are still wild and undeveloped and shovels are cheap.

dlofnep · 20-05-2009 2:25pm

Says the kids bag was found in a laneway, but wasnt there the day before. Anyone think he might have escaped from his capturer, but then have been re-caught? Might indicate that the attacker lived close-by.

Rabies · 20-05-2009 2:26pm

A case like this should be left to rest. Let the family grieve and try to live their lives. Bringing it back up again just brings up the memories.

Lollipops23 · 20-05-2009 2:28pm

Rabies wrote: »

A case like this should be left to rest. Let the family grieve and try to live their lives. Bringing it back up again just brings up the memories.

or it could give them the closure that they need to move on?maddie mccanns parents still honestly believe she is alive (although it most likey not true) and understandably refuse to give up the search because of this.

Latchy · 20-05-2009 2:31pm

shqipshume wrote: »

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/search-for-philip-cairns-to-continue-for-third-day-91231.html

A DIG at a Dublin golf course as part of the search for Philip Cairns, who has been missing for 23 years, is likely to continue into a third day.
Philip disappeared on his way back to school having had lunch with his family on October 23, 1986.

The case has baffled gardaí for more than two decades.

Does anyone remember this case one of the most baffling disappearnces of a child in Ireland

I hope they find him or something about him,the torture the family must be still going through.

I have good reason to remember this because I was working In Marley park Rathfarnham , with Dublin Co Council at the time and we were trimming the trees branches in the area.We were on his road and opposite the lane were his scoolbag was found ,the day after his disappearance .

Degsy · 20-05-2009 2:32pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

maddie mccanns parents still honestly believe she is alive (although it most likey not true) and understandably refuse to give up the search because of this.

No they dont.
They know damn well what happened to her and they're in a much more ebullient mood because they know they've gotten away with it.
The pair of those chancers make me sick.

Lollipops23 · 20-05-2009 2:34pm

Degsy wrote: »

No they dont.
They know damn well what happened to her and they're in a much more ebullient mood because they know they've gotten away with it.
The pair of those chancers make me sick.

?????based on.....???:rolleyes:

mike65 · 20-05-2009 2:42pm

Degsy, those are the words of a tit.

Rabies · 20-05-2009 2:45pm

Degsy, nothing is proved.
Assumptions are the mother of all fvck ups.

joker77 · 20-05-2009 2:57pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Says the kids bag was found in a laneway, but wasnt there the day before. Anyone think he might have escaped from his capturer, but then have been re-caught? Might indicate that the attacker lived close-by.

Yea I remember that part of it now that you mention it.

It could have been anything though. Somebody picked it up, totally unrelated, realised (or didn't) who's it was and put it back.
Or whoever took him put it there to throw the Garda off the scent.

At this stage, I don't think we'll ever know.

dlofnep · 20-05-2009 2:59pm

Good point.

Local-womanizer · 20-05-2009 3:03pm

shqipshume wrote: »

I think there is only one other case of a child missing in such circumstances i saw on tv.Little girl years previous to this one she went missing between two farms of her family and not even evidence found there either of foul play.

I think that one was in Ballyshannon.The Girl was walking through the fields with her uncle and he turned around to call to her and she was gone.She was never found.

Earthhorse · 20-05-2009 3:11pm

Rabies wrote: »

A case like this should be left to rest. Let the family grieve and try to live their lives. Bringing it back up again just brings up the memories.

If new evidence arises then the gardai are pretty much obliged to investigate, I would think.

Latchy · 20-05-2009 3:11pm

joker77 wrote: »

It could have been anything though. Somebody picked it up, totally unrelated, realised (or didn't) who's it was and put it back.
Or whoever took him put it there to throw the Garda off the scent.
.

That's the bit that baffles now as much as it did then .Who returned the schoolbag to the lane at the back of Phillips house and why ? It was very strange behaviour .

Evil-p · 20-05-2009 3:17pm

The way i see it is Philip Kearns family have never had a minutes peace so its not dragging anything up. Someone, somehwere knows what happened to that boy and they need to come clean and let the family have the closure they deserve. A wife, or girlfriend or whatever knows something. And people need to really think, I was watching a documentry on Peter Sucliffe (the yorkshire ripper) and his wife said she didn't even cop on when she was washing bloody clothes, that it was only in hindsight that she realised there was something dodge going on! So people need to think hard. That little girl in Donegal was called Mary Boyle i think and she had an identical twin sister so her family have been able to see all the time what she would look like at any age!

javaboy · 20-05-2009 3:20pm

mike65 wrote: »

Degsy, those are the words of a tit.

Banned.

barbiegirl · 20-05-2009 3:21pm

shqipshume wrote: »

But wasnt that to do with the women disappearing? And i think very weird how no one has found any sign of them aswell.
How do these people get away with it:(

There are rumours that a guy who was caught trying to rape and strangle a woman about 5 years ago, I think on the Dublin mountains, is responsible for the disppeared women. He was put away for that, with an extremely long sentence for one provable crime. But it is only speculation and there is no firm evidence, just lots of circumstantial.

As to Philip Cairns. I remember the disappearance, and my parents talking to us about strangers and stuff. Fingers crossed this search will turn up something and maybe even lead to who ever did this.

Latchy · 20-05-2009 3:26pm

The thing about disappearances and murders of people and children in the west of ireland is the remoteness of the region works in favor of the kiddnapper /murderer .I remember there was a serious of disappearances of women in the 80s around the dublin area ,including one american womon which led police and the general public to believe their was a serilal killer at large .As far as I am aware, none of these women or their remains have ever being found. One suggestion and possibility had it that they are buried in the Dublin mountains .

joker77 · 20-05-2009 3:28pm

Evil-p wrote: »

The way i see it is Philip Kearns family have never had a minutes peace so its not dragging anything up. Someone, somehwere knows what happened to that boy

Not necessarily. It could have been someone who lived alone, and seeing it's so long ago they could now be dead.

General Zod · 20-05-2009 3:36pm

Rabies wrote: »

A case like this should be left to rest. Let the family grieve and try to live their lives. Bringing it back up again just brings up the memories.

The family will be happy to lay it all to rest once they know what happened to him and have the chane to bury him properly and start to grieve.

IMO, of course.

smellslikeshoes · 20-05-2009 3:36pm

Rabies wrote: »

A case like this should be left to rest. Let the family grieve and try to live their lives. Bringing it back up again just brings up the memories.

I couldn't disagree more, when a child is taken like this (or loosing a child in any way for that matter) the memories will always be there and the family will never completely get over it. The child isn't going to be brought back but having some closure will help them move on with their lives. I'd imagine that in most of these cases its actually the family pushing to continue the investigation that brings to light evidence 20 years later.

Jesus1222 · 20-05-2009 3:41pm

Degsy wrote: »

No they dont.
They know damn well what happened to her and they're in a much more ebullient mood because they know they've gotten away with it.
The pair of those chancers make me sick.

Your constantly negative & aggressive posts makes me sick tbh. I see your posts all the time. They didn't kill her.

Jesus1222 · 20-05-2009 3:48pm

I think if it happened today the Gardaí would solve it without any problem. We're lucky to have such a fantastic police force, as much as we like to complain about them.

Unfortunately, with the length of time that has passed the soulless bastard who is responsible is likely to be an old man or possibly dead. You could assume though that he's extremely likely to be local, to have seen the boy in the area regularly prior to the abduction and to have some history of offences. Assuming he dumped the bag in the area he clearly has knowledge of the area. I'd say the culprit has been looked at by the Gardaí in a list of suspects but unfortunately, apart from the schoolbag, there is no evidence.

techno-allah · 20-05-2009 3:50pm

Such a terrible tradegy.

I don't think the dig will bring up anything to be honest. It was all before my time but I went to the same school he went to so I grew up with teachers talking about their experiences of it all.

Must be horrific for the parents to have to go through.

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 4:06pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I think that one was in Ballyshannon.The Girl was walking through the fields with her uncle and he turned around to call to her and she was gone.She was never found.

Yeah i was watching it last year on tv.Her siblings where walking with her and ran ahead.And she vanished

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 4:09pm

Latchy wrote: »

I have good reason to remember this because I was working In Marley park Rathfarnham , with Dublin Co Council at the time and we were trimming the trees branches in the area.We were on his road and opposite the lane were his scoolbag was found ,the day after his disappearance .

Really that must have been very hard thing to be around.Was there volunteer searches with the residents.I dont remember.

truecrippler · 20-05-2009 4:11pm

Maybe he has an account on boards

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shqipshume · 20-05-2009 4:12pm

barbiegirl wrote: »

There are rumours that a guy who was caught trying to rape and strangle a woman about 5 years ago, I think on the Dublin mountains, is responsible for the disppeared women. He was put away for that, with an extremely long sentence for one provable crime. But it is only speculation and there is no firm evidence, just lots of circumstantial.

As to Philip Cairns. I remember the disappearance, and my parents talking to us about strangers and stuff. Fingers crossed this search will turn up something and maybe even lead to who ever did this.

Isnt that guy who had her wrapped in plastic bags,But because they have no bodies of the other women,they have no dna or evidence to tie him to anything.
Only one of three things its him or he is dead who did these things or he has moved countries.As there hasnt been anyother women disappearing.

With the school bag i think looks like a taunting to the garda,Like i have him and you cant find him,i am right under your noses,and who ever it was laughed away.:(

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 4:14pm

Latchy wrote: »

The thing about disappearances and murders of people and children in the west of ireland is the remoteness of the region works in favor of the kiddnapper /murderer .I remember there was a serious of disappearances of women in the 80s around the dublin area ,including one american womon which led police and the general public to believe their was a serilal killer at large .As far as I am aware, none of these women or their remains have ever being found. One suggestion and possibility had it that they are buried in the Dublin mountains .

Yeah see that kinda bothers me a little,They knew whereabouts jojo dollard was.Did they not take sniffer dogs out.I mean the search was in my eyes very laid back.

Do they have sniffer dogs out there at that golf course now.Or are they digging willy nilly.
Someone i was talking to today said they got a tip off.

goldenbrown · 20-05-2009 4:21pm

and someone who has feared the knock on the door for 23 years might have their day in court..

the St. Enda's park beside where this 11 year vanished from has been a very quiet park for a long time

Jesus1222 · 20-05-2009 4:23pm

shqipshume wrote: »

Yeah see that kinda bothers me a little,They knew whereabouts jojo dollard was.Did they not take sniffer dogs out.I mean the search was in my eyes very laid back.

I believe, if there is a serial killer, he is serving a long term sentence for an abduction sentence. They can't prove anything though.

Do they have sniffer dogs out there at that gold course now.Or are they digging willy nilly.
Someone i was talking to today said they got a tip off.

They're going over old ground. They have searched there before but they're searching again.

Rabies · 20-05-2009 4:26pm

truecrippler wrote: »

Maybe he has an account on boards .

Its posts like this that drop the tone of the odd serious thread that crops in AH.

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 4:31pm

goldenbrown wrote: »

and someone who has feared the knock on the door for 23 years might have their day in court..

the St. Enda's park beside where this 11 year vanished from has been a very quiet park for a long time

Lets hope they get that knock on the door.
I read and old woman came forward saying she remembers the plot of land been freshly dug when he disappeared,what on earth took someone that long to come forward.And it also says after they searched, the old womans family came to the garda again to extend the search another 50 meteres.How bizzare is that.They seem very sure.

Jesus1222 · 20-05-2009 4:38pm

shqipshume wrote: »

Lets hope they get that knock on the door.
I read and old woman came forward saying she remembers the plot of land been freshly dug when he disappeared,what on earth took someone that long to come forward.And it also says after they searched, the old womans family came to the garda again to extend the search another 50 meteres.How bizzare is that.They seem very sure.

She came forward at the time, I think. I read somewhere that this is due to a review of all the evidence gathered at the time, not due to a new tip off, contrary to some media reports. Although maybe the Gardaí are trying to spook somebody they have in mind.

Fighting Irish · 20-05-2009 4:51pm

Degsy wrote: »

No they dont.
They know damn well what happened to her and they're in a much more ebullient mood because they know they've gotten away with it.
The pair of those chancers make me sick.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

shqipshume · 20-05-2009 5:00pm

Jesus1222 wrote: »

She came forward at the time, I think. I read somewhere that this is due to a review of all the evidence gathered at the time, not due to a new tip off, contrary to some media reports. Although maybe the Gardaí are trying to spook somebody they have in mind.

Oh right thanks.They do know how to confuse people in the media.You could be right trying to spook someone.
I do hope that they at long last get the answers.
I read the sisters joined a organisation for missing children.

markesmith · 20-05-2009 5:00pm

Hope the family gets some closure.

Degsy · 20-05-2009 5:14pm

Jesus1222 wrote: »

I believe, if there is a serial killer, he is serving a long term sentence for an abduction sentence. They can't prove anything though

Just one serial killer yeah?
I personally know of somebody who's in jail for murdering somebody a couple of months after he got released form a prison sentence for rape.
And you dont get a "long sentence for an abduction sentence" no matter how many episodes of CSi you watch.
Without a confession or a corpse they have very little chance of ever finding the numerous people who have vanished,presumed murdered in the country.

Here's an interesting website
http://www.missing.ws/

Jesus1222 · 20-05-2009 5:21pm

I personally know of somebody who's in jail for murdering somebody a couple of months after he got released form a prison sentence for rape.
And you dont get a "long sentence for an abduction sentence" no matter how many episodes of CSi you watch.

More aggressive posting. It was a case which involved abduction, violent assault and rape.

(23 years on)Search for Philip Cairns to continue for third day

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