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Lets all be anxious/depressed together.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Not sure about the doctor thing. I'm in 2 minds about it, there's one side of me says a doctor can't do anything to help at all really. I don't want a diagnosis of anything as I'm hoping this will go away and leave me alone and then I can get on with my life and go for the career I want, which would be precluded if I had any sort of mental illness. So I'm absolutely terrified to go to the doctor. Then the other part of me wants to feel better and I want to do what my counsellor says but I can't cos even though I know it would help, I don't have the energy for it. Can doctors prescribe without giving out a diagnosis? I want something to kill this feeling and make me better. :(

    The diagnosis isn't that important compared to getting better. You might get one, and only one, depression in your life and still get a diagnosis of depression. You might have had a few episodes of depression in the past, finally get a diagnosis and then never get another episode. You can't know what'll happen going forward. The diagnosis doesn't predict that you'll automatically get recurrent depressions and have serious problems due to this. It also doesn't change anything, you're as sick before the diagnosis as you are after it and it doesn't change the odds of you getting ill again in the future! All that happens is that you've a name for why you feel so crap.

    A doctor can give you drugs, they can also refer you on to a psychologist for CBT/MBCT/whatever. Both approaches help with depression.

    Focus on getting better first, your career second. The two usually go hand in hand but ignoring the former for the sake of the latter is a recipe for disaster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    well of the two places the psych told me to look into, one isn't offering low cost counselling services anymore due to massive demand, and the other one goes on about a 'christian ethos'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    right i've decided i'm going to find a CBT therapist and pay for it. it's gonna take a big chunk of my money to do it, but i need to do it. i screw things up for myself all the time, and i'm sick of it. sick of feeling sorry for myself, sick of getting nowhere. it seems most only go for 6-8 weeks anyway so if that's the case I could manage that kinda money from my savings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Worst day in a long time. Just got home from work and went straight to bed. I only slept an hour last night, I spent the rest of the time worrying about something I have no control over whatsoever, yet second-handedly impacts on me.

    Don't think I'll be out of bed 'til Monday morning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    I spent the rest of the time worrying about something I have no control over whatsoever, yet second-handedly impacts on me.
    .
    I think like that alot too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    I've pretty much given up on things over the last week or two,haven't been going into work or even ringing them to tell them why,they're still paying me though which is nice.Basically not been able to drag myself out of bed til 1 or 2pm most days,I then just sit around alternating between crying like a pathetic sap or thinking about self harming.I then usually pluck up the courage to go to the local shop to buy the cheapest drink I can find,and then drink that until I fall asleep.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Im just about surviving at the moment!


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Temaz wrote: »
    Im just about surviving at the moment!

    same here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Bad day here too, most of it spent pacing up and down the hall because I can't sit down for longer than 10 minutes. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    I'm joining the list of bad days too. Better than yesterday but almost anything would be better than yesterday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Aoifums wrote: »
    I'm joining the list of bad days too. Better than yesterday but almost anything would be better than yesterday.

    What made your days not good?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Having an ok day, I managed to keep myself busy which I think helped, nothing good / exciting happened but I figured well nothing bad happened either- glass half full sort of perspective. That said I not looking forward to Sunday I've been off work all week but am due to head back in on Sunday so feeling kinda "meh".

    Not sure why I'm sharing it but I was doing a food shop earlier and bought myself a bottle of wine, I figured I'd treat myself, since last summer I've been careful not to drink because it doesn't mix with depression but I just felt f*&k it, I've been feeling okish the last while and it'd be nice to a glass or two, just hoping it doesn't go pear shaped!


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭talullah


    I'll join you all on this list of having a bad day.

    Had councelling this morning, first time i've ever been. He's switched me to Fluoxetine to help with my OCD aswel, so we'll see whaat happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    cloud493 wrote: »
    What made your days not good?

    No idea what made them bad but counselling made it so much worse. I'm switching counsellor, for sure!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Is there any way for somebody still at school to get counselling without their parents finding out?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Aoifums wrote: »
    No idea what made them bad but counselling made it so much worse. I'm switching counsellor, for sure!!

    Part of counselling is bringing up things which may have caused depression and dealing with them, unfortunately that can make things harder in the short term. Hope it wasn't too bad. (In fairness that's partly why I am putting off going to counselling myself).
    I find the AWARE meetings good, it's a chance to get things out without the same level of "probing" you get from a counsellor, similar to here you get to talk to people who know what you are going through as they are in a similar boat.

    I'm just going to throw out an idea that cropped up a while ago, but I know a lot of forums have a "beers", I wondered how people would find the idea of having a "depressed beers / coffee's"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 belhaven fan


    thrilledskinny;


    Hi ;-) sorry to hear your story, sounds like your having bad time of it. Hope you work out something with your doc and your meds.

    I was delighted to read your post though and realise i'm not the only one! Like you say you have to work your self up to go to the doctors never mind then to make it to the chemist. Do doctors realise how hard it is for people with anxiety/depression to fit in to the system, of ringing up m aking appointments, meeting appointments, getting renewed presciptions, etc etc, you would think it could be made easier.
    Also I thought it was just me re my depression lessing but anxiety levels sky rocketting. I kinda blamed the meds, but when I'd mention this to a doc they would just stare blankly back, as though this was not the meds and it was just me.
    Why dont they say yes other poeple find their anxiety levels increase, ohter people find it hard to come in to us. Just to know your not alone and not imagining it.

    Hope you get to sort things out soon.
    I find my whole life is slipping away at times...[/QUOTE]

    hey thrilledskinny, sorry im late back. The 3g dongle thing has been acting weird for a day or 2. Thanks a million for getting back. It seems horrible to say this, but it is comforting to know that there are people out there going through similar things. I have always found it a kind of catch 22 situation with the meds. you need to be normal to get the meds but if you are normal then you dont need the meds.
    As for feeling like your life is slipping away, I am the same. i cant believe its 2012. I get depressed when i think about it. Days fade into one another


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭stacexD


    Hey,
    I'm looking at a tough decision about my mother at the moment, the doctor is talking about admitting her to hospital for depression.
    If anyone has been through this or gone through it with someone maybe they could pm me and give me a little bit of info, nothing personal really just a couple of questions about the process and hospital!
    Thanks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 belhaven fan


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Is there any way for somebody still at school to get counselling without their parents finding out?

    Hi ItsAWindUp. By school, do you mean secondary?
    From My counselling sessions I learned that whatever you say is private unless you mean to harm someone else and then the counsellor will warn the intended victim, I think icon11.gif.
    If you or your family have a medical card then go to your gp and explain how you are feeling and then can refer you to an out patient clinic.
    If you are in college, I know the big colleges have counsellors/ people to talk to about mental health issues. i am not too sure about smaller I.T s.

    But whichever situation you are in, go to your gp and talk to them and explain your worries about your parents finding out and then tell the gp about your troubles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    Gillo wrote: »
    Part of counselling is bringing up things which may have caused depression and dealing with them, unfortunately that can make things harder in the short term. Hope it wasn't too bad. (In fairness that's partly why I am putting off going to counselling myself).
    I find the AWARE meetings good, it's a chance to get things out without the same level of "probing" you get from a counsellor, similar to here you get to talk to people who know what you are going through as they are in a similar boat.

    I'm just going to throw out an idea that cropped up a while ago, but I know a lot of forums have a "beers", I wondered how people would find the idea of having a "depressed beers / coffee's"?

    It wasn't what we discussed that made me so upset. It was a couple of offhand comments that really upset me. I'm fairly sure that they weren't intended but "difficult", "challenging" and something to do with how hard it was to find the route cause of my anxiety all led to not so nice though pattern of 'I'm difficult', 'I'm challenging' and 'he can't find it so I'm f*cked'. It kinda just spiralled from there :( Sorry for ranting >_<
    I've looked at their info before but I don't really think they're aimed at me. Anxiety is my main problem and Aware seem to just be for depression. I don't think I'm that depressed like.

    The coffee thing sounds like a pretty cool idea :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Is there any way for somebody still at school to get counselling without their parents finding out?

    If you can scrape together the money for a visit to your GP, she/he can put you on a waiting list for counselling, and the HSE service is free. As far as I know, unless you're suicidal, they can't tell your parents/next of kin. That's what my counsellor told me. There are private places that can work for a reduced fee but I know I couldn't have afforded them when I was in school.
    Pieta House do counselling and they are free. I forgot about them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 brayguy


    hi guys, only recently found this thread...wish I'd come across it sooner but...!! so i've suffered from depression for a lloooonnngggg time, have been on medication for..too long, but luckily i've had some pretty good sustained periods when i can just drag myself through the days, in the last year this has become increasingly difficult, have been suicidal on two occasions in the last year and have missed a sh1t load of time from work....i'm now the subject of a complaint from my manager, not over the time i've been missing, but the fact that i didn't/havn't submitted doctor's certs on a weekly basis,which is in breach of the company's sick leave policy. I decided to leave my doctor (who has been my doc since the day i was born) after a consultation in December in which she spoke down to me.made me sound like a nuisance who was just wasting her time.&basically made me feel worse than i felt before i went in for the consultation. so i don't currently have a doc,and have missed some further time from work this month...so don't have sick certs...so my manager made a complaint to hr that i'm in breach of sick leave policy&i got a letter saying disciplinary proceedings would now commence...i'm getting the feeling that they just want rid of me at this stage&this is an easy way to do it...anyone got any advice/opinions?i'd be interested to hear them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    I don't want to sleep, mood has improved a bit and it's so much nicer than today's crap even if I'm still feeling somewhat low. Tomorrow's going to be stressful. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Where's everbody from? I hail from Cork!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    Is there any way for somebody still at school to get counselling without their parents finding out?

    Is there a guidance counsellor/chaplain at your school? Some of the teachers who do career guidance will have done a masters which includes counselling training. Maybe try and find out if the one at your school does that. Or as Aoifums says, make an appointment to see your GP about it and they will refer you to the HSE counsellors. The only problem with this is that the waiting lists can be extremely long, but it depends on where you are (one of my friends got an appointment to see someone after a month on the list, but I have seen people post here about it being much longer than that for them).
    Temaz wrote: »
    Where's everbody from? I hail from Cork!

    I'm from Sligo, but have been living in Maynooth for the past few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Liverpool :3 but I'm in dublin right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    stacexD wrote: »
    Hey,
    I'm looking at a tough decision about my mother at the moment, the doctor is talking about admitting her to hospital for depression.
    If anyone has been through this or gone through it with someone maybe they could pm me and give me a little bit of info, nothing personal really just a couple of questions about the process and hospital!
    Thanks!
    From my experience going in it'll bloody scarey, that said it was probably the best thing I ever did. The level of care was amazing and mixing with other patients who actually were going through the same thing, well they get you, understand you and don't judge. Probably the best example I can give, before I was admitted I tried to commit suicide, well everyone kept saing to me afterwards, "what about your daughter, she'd be heart broken", I knew they meant well but they weren't looking at it from my side of things. I was talking to one of the other patients one day, it came up and I said, everyone kept saying this but what the f&€k about me, no one seems to get it; and she was the first person to know where I was coming from. Ok, it may sound selfish but when you are that low that's how you see things.

    I'm not sure how good an example that is but yeah, I found a stay in hospital did me the world of good, just remember from your mothers point of view she may not want it so go easy in her, she may also not want many visitors so even though people may mean well perhaps ask them not to visit but maybe send a card instead.

    If there's anything specific you want to know feel free to pm me.

    I'm in Dublin, someone was asking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Does anyone else get strange surreal dreams after taking night time meds?

    Some crazy **** in my dreams!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Temaz wrote: »
    Does anyone else get strange surreal dreams after taking night time meds?

    Some crazy **** in my dreams!!

    Yeah it can happen on some drugs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Temaz wrote: »
    Where's everbody from? I hail from Cork!

    I appreciate your curiosity but as Ireland is SO small I wont be saying where I'm from as well if anything about me got out id be the talk of the town.

    God i feel like a fat piece of sh*t , so useless motionless unmotivated . self loathing , manipulative c*nt.
    No wonder everyone hates me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Temaz wrote: »
    Does anyone else get strange surreal dreams after taking night time meds?

    Some crazy **** in my dreams!!

    it happens a lot, for a while I used to write down all the dream's, it's interesting after a while I could start to make sense of even the really strange one, personally it's one of the few things I like about the medication.

    Not looking to Valentines day, stupid reason to remind me I'm all alone:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Coming down with a kidney infection :(

    This will be hell!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 irishbipolar


    stacexD wrote: »
    Hey,
    I'm looking at a tough decision about my mother at the moment, the doctor is talking about admitting her to hospital for depression.
    If anyone has been through this or gone through it with someone maybe they could pm me and give me a little bit of info, nothing personal really just a couple of questions about the process and hospital!
    Thanks!

    Hi stacexD,

    Bipolar is a form of depression so I hope you don't mind....

    I have been in hospital a few times. TBH I found some of the stays tough but that was because I very ill. I use to be very elated going in and it would take me a few weeks to come down. During this time it was surreal. I found it hard to make sense of what was going on but that was my experience.

    In saying that, despite my experiences, I now recognise how important it is to go into hospital. One of the main priorities is getting your medications right. In some ways it's good to be in hospital during this process and ensures when you get home you have a stable platform of which to work. In addition you probably have a consultation with your doctor very soon afterwards - that way you can 'test' the meds at home & your doctor can adjust them if necessary.

    The main hospital I was in there were classes, lectures and group therapy. All useful. After a while you make friends with the different patients and you form a bond. You talk about different issues and help each other out. It's like a support network. The staff - nurses, doctors, caterers & cleaners - are all friendly and are there to help. It's a win-win.

    In my last admisson just before Xmas I went to a different hospital as my doctor had moved. I was in for a change of meds. I was only in for 3.5 weeks. The first 5 days I was nervous - this was due to my previous experiences - my bipolar was very bad. Anyways I shouldn't have worried, the hospital was great and I met loads of people. Went to classes etc. Overall a very good experience. I went home in good form though I made the mistake of pushing too hard so my doctor had to slightly re-adjust my meds. At the moment I am going through the best spell I have had in years. I am so glad I admitted myself.

    Your Mum might find it strange at the start but hopefully she'll settle in. It could be the difference. All I can say is stay in touch with her: texts, phone calls and visits. All of these are welcome by anyone in hospital! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Gillo wrote: »
    Not looking to Valentines day, stupid reason to remind me I'm all alone:(

    You're not alone in hating it because of lonliness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Aoifums wrote: »
    If you can scrape together the money for a visit to your GP, she/he can put you on a waiting list for counselling, and the HSE service is free. As far as I know, unless you're suicidal, they can't tell your parents/next of kin. That's what my counsellor told me. There are private places that can work for a reduced fee but I know I couldn't have afforded them when I was in school.
    Pieta House do counselling and they are free. I forgot about them.

    Age comes into it, as it is a big ethical question. I don't see the under-aged anymore as we have a young persons programme. Within my service I would need to check with our clinical director if the person was under 17.

    In most cases not all, I often had to get the parents to sign a consent form in order to see the child. However, what the person spoke about with the exception of suicide or causing serious harm to another, was strictly between myself and the client.

    However, as a lot of schools have counsellors now, it could indeed be possible for the person to see a counsellor there, without the parents permission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Kaching wrote: »
    You're not alone in hating it because of lonliness

    Not sure if you meant to make it, but thanks I loved the irony of your post!


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Gillo wrote: »
    Not sure if you meant to make it, but thanks I loved the irony of your post!

    I wasnt trying to offend you or anything?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Kaching wrote: »
    Gillo wrote: »
    Not sure if you meant to make it, but thanks I loved the irony of your post!

    I wasnt trying to offend you or anything?!
    Don't worry, you didn't offend. It was just the way you said I'm not alone in feeling lonely- gave me a lite laugh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Gillo wrote: »
    Don't worry, you didn't offend. It was just the way you said I'm not alone in feeling lonely- gave me a lite laugh.

    Apart from Xmas and NYE it's the most lonely day of the year


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    It can be yeah. There's a club night on once a month that I usually go to, it's called Funky Seomra, but it's a Valentines Special this month, not sure I want to go now.
    Usually a great night though an amazing crowd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Id be the same , even the word suggests cheesy crap


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I just had someone kick me near O'Connell Bridge about an hour ago. Was walking to get a bus home when someone tried to stop me. Assuming it was a beggar or something, I walked around him, only for him to kick me in the leg afterwards.

    Why do bad things always seem to happen to me? I don't know how much longer I can take this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Gillo


    Karsini wrote: »
    I just had someone kick me near O'Connell Bridge about an hour ago. Was walking to get a bus home when someone tried to stop me. Assuming it was a beggar or something, I walked around him, only for him to kick me in the leg afterwards.

    Why do bad things always seem to happen to me? I don't know how much longer I can take this.
    Sorry to hear that, hope you're not too shaken by it. You know the prick could have kicked anyone, it was just randomly you.
    It's hard though isn't it depression just seems to make everything worse.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've already had to contend with the fear that someone would emotionally hurt me. Now I know there some who will physically hurt me for no reason at all. Makes me ask myself what's the point? And do I want to live in a place like this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Can't explain why but I'm in a fantastic mood today. I don't know what kicked it off. Weekend was ****, I stayed in bed most of the time but when I woke up this morning, I felt great, full of energy and enthusiasm, just bouncing about the place.

    Times like this make me pause and wonder if I may be somewhat bi-polar. My swings aren't usually so dramatic and I know that the depression I've suffered from hasn't been as extreme as those described by people here but this sudden 180 degree shift is inexplicable, I've nothing to tie it to.

    Hope the rest of yez are doing better today.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Kaching


    Karsini wrote: »
    I just had someone kick me near O'Connell Bridge about an hour ago. Was walking to get a bus home when someone tried to stop me. Assuming it was a beggar or something, I walked around him, only for him to kick me in the leg afterwards.

    Why do bad things always seem to happen to me? I don't know how much longer I can take this.

    Happened me the other day too.
    I was walking around a Roma beggar (because my cousin told me they get quite aggressive if you say no) and she grabs my jacket , pulls me to face her and then phlegms on me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Having my first panic attacks in over two years. I don't know what to do. My boyfriend is in work for another few hours and I don't know who talk to. I'd been doing so well its such a surprise to me. But I have a lot of college work to do so need them stop so I can study. I can manage to catch my breath shortly but then it starts again. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    Having my first panic attacks in over two years. I don't know what to do. My boyfriend is in work for another few hours and I don't know who talk to. I'd been doing so well its such a surprise to me. But I have a lot of college work to do so need them stop so I can study. I can manage to catch my breath shortly but then it starts again. :(
    ***hugs***

    Is there anything you can do to try take your mind of them? I know it's tough if there is no one there to talk you through it :/ I always found that helped. It'll be okay, just try and ground yourself and take things easy. Don't be scared of them (I know that is impossible), but just let them come on. I find if you aren't as scared of it happening, they usually go away. Keep safe xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Having my first panic attacks in over two years. I don't know what to do. My boyfriend is in work for another few hours and I don't know who talk to. I'd been doing so well its such a surprise to me. But I have a lot of college work to do so need them stop so I can study. I can manage to catch my breath shortly but then it starts again. :(
    ***hugs***

    Is there anything you can do to try take your mind of them? I know it's tough if there is no one there to talk you through it :/ I always found that helped. It'll be okay, just try and ground yourself and take things easy. Don't be scared of them (I know that is impossible), but just let them come on. I find if you aren't as scared of it happening, they usually go away. Keep safe xx
    My Internet is down and I only have the mobile Internet on my phone. I sent an instant message to a friend but she hasn't received it yet. I'm out of the country and can't call or text anyone and I don't have any good friends here yet. I just feel so bad cause this is a huge setback for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    my panic attacks have always been so short that I wouldn't have had time to even think of how to stop it. how about putting on some music? something slow and calm... if you concentrate on it it might help reduce your heartrate


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