What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:20pm

Orange69 wrote: »

The media attention and the rally will have NOTHING to do with street crime, it will be the usual bleeding heart 'racist' witch hunting session where native Irish will be lambasted as violent bigoted nazis while the minority African community will be portrayed as innocent fluffy law abiding victims. A vision which is completely at odds with reality..

And a few cars and shops will probably get destroyed in the process by said innocent fluffy law abiding victims.

When the trial is over and their is definitive evidence of a racial attack then have the rally..

+1.

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:20pm

Orange69 wrote: »

When the trial is over and their is definitive evidence of a racial attack then have the rally..

+1 on this point.

To be honest I can't see what a rally will achieve besides giving the attackers a hand in court by playing the "trial by media and angry mob" card.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:21pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

I'll be in town on Saturday and I will be drinking in Fraziers on O'Connell St to watch the UFC live at 6 from Abu Dhabi wearing a Dublin jersey with Hill 16 on the back. So if you'd like to tell me that I'm a moron and to **** off then your more than welcome

I'm sorry about damage done to peopple's cars etc but Govt should not have allowed wee Willie Fraser and co to march.

what about my more than welcome?

SlabMurphy · 09-04-2010 4:21pm

Morlar wrote: »

I can see the point of that if it was genuine and colourblind.

It's not though and that's the problem.

When it is only applied to BLACK victims is where the problem arises.

You dont enforce a feeling of harmony and racial equality on society by discriminating against the white victims of crime or by elevating black victims of crime to near sainthood while all but ignoring white victims. It's pure total sickening hypocrisy by the left. in my honest opinion. It's a bandwagon for trendies to jump on - there is no genuine morality or compassion in any of this it's an opportunity for the advancement of hard left agendas while simultaneously downplaying the white victims of crime by focusing solely on the black.

Totally agree. It's just the trendies and tree huggers just waiting for an excuse to chant lefty slogans, sing Micheal Jackson songs about loving everyone in the world etc.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:21pm

segaBOY wrote: »

+1 on this point.

To be honest I can't see what a rally will achieve besides giving the attackers a hand in court by playing the "trial by media and angry mob" card.

I am nearly sure that was mentioned on the first or second page......:D;)

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:22pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Totally agree. It's just the trendies and tree huggers just waiting for an excuse to chant lefty slogans, sing Micheal Jackson songs about loving everyone in the world etc.

Of course, you are not trendy, how could you be, with your fake Dublin shirt....:eek::eek:

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:23pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

I am nearly sure that was mentioned on the first or second page......:D;)

My bad....lazy at reading threads!!

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:24pm

segaBOY wrote: »

My bad....lazy at reading threads!!

No problem!!

geeky · 09-04-2010 4:26pm

Orange69 wrote: »

And a few cars and shops will probably get destroyed in the process by said innocent fluffy law abiding victims.

Want a bet on this?

You produce evidence that people at this rally destroy cars or shops, and I'll donate €10 to a charity of your choosing.

If you can't, all I ask is that you donate to an anti-racism charity.

SlabMurphy wrote: »

I'll be in town on Saturday and I will be drinking in Fraziers on O'Connell St to watch the UFC live at 6 from Abu Dhabi wearing a Dublin jersey with Hill 16 on the back. So if you'd like to tell me that I'm a moron and to **** off then your more than welcome

Yeah, you're dead hard you are.

[QUOTE=SlabMurphy;65329370
I'm sorry about damage done to peopple's cars etc but Govt should not have allowed wee Willie Fraser and co to march.[/QUOTE]

Why not?

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:27pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Totally agree. It's just the trendies and tree huggers just waiting for an excuse to chant lefty slogans, sing Micheal Jackson songs about loving everyone in the world etc.

I think we should organise a rally against diesel laundering and cattle smuggling. Just to give your username a run for it's money.

geeky · 09-04-2010 4:28pm

segaBOY wrote: »

+1 on this point.

To be honest I can't see what a rally will achieve besides giving the attackers a hand in court by playing the "trial by media and angry mob" card.

This is the most sensible argument against a rally that's been articulated thus far. If people just said 'it won't achieve anything, and might in fact help the perpetrators get off' rather than ranting about hidden agendas, the equality industry and the trotskyists, more sympathetic but practical people would listen.

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:31pm

geeky wrote: »

This is the most sensible argument against a rally that's been articulated thus far. If people just said 'it won't achieve anything, and might in fact help the perpetrators get off' rather than ranting about hidden agendas, the equality industry and the trotskyists, more sympathetic but practical people would listen.

Exactly. To be honest I couldn't give a toss about any little rallies such groups may wish to have, but if it influences the outcome of a fair trial then it is wreckless and irresponsible.

Won't exactly do the poor lad who was killed any good/justice imo.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:34pm

geeky wrote: »

This is the most sensible argument against a rally that's been articulated thus far. If people just said 'it won't achieve anything, and might in fact help the perpetrators get off' rather than ranting about hidden agendas, the equality industry and the trotskyists, more sympathetic but practical people would listen.

Yeah I suggested it on around page 2.....:rolleyes:

Dyr · 09-04-2010 4:35pm

hang on, this is going to be at the garden of rememberance? Does this mean o'connell street is gonna be blocked off again for a crank rally?

hoorsmelt · 09-04-2010 4:35pm

Bambi wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the usual trotsky suspects rallying when those two polish lads were stabbed to death by local scumbags. Guess it didn't press the right coloured buttons for them.

Actually thats where your wrong http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86449?comment_order=asc. You can continue to make silly and immature comments about the left if you want but please have some respect for the truth.

SlabMurphy · 09-04-2010 4:38pm

geeky wrote: »

SlabMurphy wrote: »

I'm sorry about damage done to peopple's cars etc but Govt should not have allowed wee Willie Fraser and co to march.

Why not?

No unionist feet - on O'Connell Street :mad:

twinQuins · 09-04-2010 4:38pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Yeah I suggested it on around page 2.....:rolleyes:

Goddamnit, all you've done is rant and rave about fucking "Trotskyites".

If anyone has an agenda it's you.

SlabMurphy · 09-04-2010 4:39pm

Bambi wrote: »

hang on, this is going to be at the garden of rememberance? Does this mean o'connell street is gonna be blocked off again for a crank rally?

Yep, the tree huggers are at it again :rolleyes:

Dyr · 09-04-2010 4:40pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

No unionist feet - on O'Connell Street :mad:

What if they rode up it on horseback?

geeky · 09-04-2010 4:41pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

No unionist feet - on O'Connell Street :mad:

A scansion-challenged rhyme doth not a coherent argument make.

hoorsmelt · 09-04-2010 4:42pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

This is a shin-digs for the neo liberal lefties to get on about how they are lynching Blacks in the Wild Wild West...about how our modern greed and racism is ruining everything....

Bottom line...what we've got here is a couple of scumbags who, with no backing from anyone other than their own scummy intellects, performed a heinous act. Now I cannot say that in public without interfering with the rights of the accused, but we all know this is what happened.

There is no "total collapse"...there is no "ghetto"...there is no "interracial violence".....on the scale the Trots want us to believe.

The 'trots' as you put it aren't up to that at all. The purpose of the rally is to highlight the tragic waste caused by this death and to try and cut across any potential growth in racism in the area. These things happen but we'll see more such incidents I' afraid thanks to the economic crisis.

Btw would you like to show a few examples of 'trots' saying things like those I've highlighted? Just so we know your not talkin through your hole like :rolleyes:

Pacing Mule · 09-04-2010 4:42pm

segaBOY wrote: »

I wouldn't disbelieve you on that score, the media can be very selective. Care to enlighten us on the second side though?

Nothing I could publically post out of respect for the board and the thread which would end up being deleted should a debate of specifics start. Sent you a pm.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:42pm

Bambi wrote: »

What if they rode up it on horseback?

No Unionist Horses Feet On O'Connell Street....

:D:D

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:43pm

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Nothing I could publically post out of respect for the board and the thread which would end up being deleted should a debate of specifics start. Sent you a pm.

Send me one too!!!:cool:

peabutler · 09-04-2010 4:45pm

And me!!!!

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:45pm

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Nothing I could publically post out of respect for the board and the thread which would end up being deleted should a debate of specifics start. Sent you a pm.

Thank you. There is always two sides to every story and I won't jump to any conclusions until we learn the true outcome from the courtcase.

Thanks again for the PM.

dloob · 09-04-2010 4:45pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

I'll be in town on Saturday and I will be drinking in Fraziers on O'Connell St to watch the UFC live at 6 from Abu Dhabi wearing a Dublin jersey with Hill 16 on the back. So if you'd like to tell me that I'm a moron and to **** off then your more than welcome

LOL Drinking in the afternoon and watching UFC, I presume you'll be dragging your knuckles along the ground the ground as well. One tatooed Love the other Hate.:rolleyes:

I'm only surprised it's not a celtic jersey.

Dyr · 09-04-2010 4:47pm

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Actually thats where your wrong http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86449?comment_order=asc. You can continue to make silly and immature comments about the left if you want but please have some respect for the truth.

Awesome, an indymedia link, the gold standard of reportage :pac: . No, my furry friend I knew about that vigil, that was the local working class folk showing empathy with men who should never have died in their area. Same reason that the president attended their funeral's. It wasn't the banner brigade looking to turn an atrocity into an opportunity.

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:48pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

I'll be in town on Saturday and I will be drinking in Fraziers on O'Connell St to watch the UFC live at 6 from Abu Dhabi wearing a Dublin jersey with Hill 16 on the back. So if you'd like to tell me that I'm a moron and to **** off then your more than welcome

I always thought Slab Murphy was from Co. Louth? Or is this some wannabe republican trying to steal his "good" republican name for the sake of acting the "hard man"?? :rolleyes:

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:49pm

Bambi wrote: »

Awesome, an indymedia link, the gold standard of reportage :pac: . No, my furry friend I knew about that vigil, that was the local working class folk showing empathy with men who should never have died in their area. Same reason that the president attended their funeral's. It wasn't the banner brigade looking to turn an atrocity into an opportunity.

:D:cool:+1

SlabMurphy · 09-04-2010 4:53pm

dloob wrote: »

LOL Drinking in the afternoon and watching UFC, I presume you'll be dragging your knuckles along the ground the ground as well. One tatooed Love the other Hate.:rolleyes:

I'm only surprised it's not a celtic jersey.

If I had a euro for everytime on boards.ie I've been called a " moron " with " knuckles dragging along the ground " I'd be a rich man.

segaBOY · 09-04-2010 4:54pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

If I had a euro for everytime on boards.ie I've been called a " moron " with " knuckles dragging along the ground " I'd be a rich man.

I'd say it would be like winning the euromillions for you.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:54pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

If I had a euro for everytime on boards.ie I've been called a " moron " with " knuckles dragging along the ground " I'd be a rich man.

....and you would be able to afford a proper Dublin Jersey.....

hoorsmelt · 09-04-2010 4:55pm

Bambi wrote: »

Awesome, an indymedia link, the gold standard of reportage :pac: . No, my furry friend I knew about that vigil, that was the local working class folk showing empathy with men who should never have died in their area. Same reason that the president attended their funeral's. It wasn't the banner brigade looking to turn an atrocity into an opportunity.

The local working class community who turned out to a rally organised by a trot sounds a bit like whats planned for tomorrow so. Its seeking to raise the issue but imo there's precious little political capital to be made out of something like this for any group.

Fuhrer · 09-04-2010 4:55pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

If I had a euro for everytime on boards.ie I've been called a " moron " with " knuckles dragging along the ground " I'd be a rich man.

They have done that before?

I cant imagine why...

geeky · 09-04-2010 4:56pm

dloob wrote: »

I'm only surprised it's not a celtic jersey.

Don't forget the sign that says 'no foreign games'....

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 4:58pm

geeky wrote: »

Don't forget the sign that says 'no foreign games'....

:D

PapaQuebec · 09-04-2010 5:03pm

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Nothing I could publically post out of respect for the board and the thread which would end up being deleted should a debate of specifics start. Sent you a pm.

I'd be interested in a PM too!
Ta

Morlar · 09-04-2010 5:13pm

PapaQuebec wrote: »

I'd be interested in a PM too!
Ta

Same here - I don't watch soaps so irl gossip is welcomed

youcrazyjesus! · 09-04-2010 5:23pm

t's alleged 2 racist idiots took a knife out and stabbed some innocent child for racist purposes, if that's true then it's horrific and the racially aggravated element of the crime should be enough to put them away forever. I'd be very happy to see justice done.

As for the march itself though, if individuals/groups are actually marching to the Dáil in "protest" at the killing, getting up on their high horse, then I have to say I'm extremely insulted and a little bit angry as should every right thinking person in this country at these individuals and groups. Some of these types will try to portray this as an example of everything which is wrong in this country, ie we have a very serious racist attack problem, which is insulting and untrue. I had a look at Stormfront Ireland's website earlier, even the racists over there accept that an attack on a defenceless child is completely unacceptable.

I know the stated purpose of the march is a memorial and marching for social cohesion, which is fine, best of luck to them and I hope they get a good turnout on that basis. It's a good opportunity to spread that idea.

I just hope those who attend and the groups who may be thinking of climbing up on their very high horse and looking down on society (which I find ironic as these groups are there for ordinary people yet always find reasons to piss down on just about everyone who isn't them for various reasons) will understand that this was an isolated incident, carried about by unrepresentative scum. These attacks are not common place. Nobody is "under attack". It actually seems to be that, at least amongst the younger people, there is an encouraging level of cohesion between the different communities in D15.

Amhran Nua · 09-04-2010 6:10pm

hoorsmelt wrote: »

The purpose of the rally is to highlight the tragic waste caused by this death and to try and cut across any potential growth in racism in the area.

Growth in racism howarya. Ireland must be the one of the least racist countries on earth. From 2004 to 2006 the population of the country jumped by 10%, try that anyplace else and you'll see riots in the street, and indeed there have been race riots on the streets of many of our European neighbours. Irish people in my experience take people as they come and judge each on their individual merits, with the exception of the odd few who are all too happy to assign blame for their own shortcomings on immigrants, a phenomenon you'll find anywhere.

Bambi wrote: »

It wasn't the banner brigade looking to turn an atrocity into an opportunity.

Nail on the head, there's no social good or well meaning group of people these yahoos won't try to graft their 19th century belief system onto.

geeky · 09-04-2010 6:20pm

Here's a crazy thought - before confidently predicting that trotskyites will use a tragedy to advance their socialist agenda, or that 'equality industry' beards will dominate, or even that we'll see cars and shops destroyed in the march, how about we reserve judgement until it actually happens?

I've my own reservations about the march and what it will achieve, but some of the stuff being spouted here is just utter nonsense.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 7:21pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

How do they know his stabbing was racially motivated, if the Police, DPP and Criminal Justice system have not concluded their investigation.......

This has been pointed out to you numerous times. Why do you keep ignoring it?

Bambi wrote:

Because the assumption behind the demonstration is that race was reason that this kid was murdered depsite zero evidence that that was actually the case?

....other than the fact that one of the accussed was done for a racist assault in 2001.....

Segaboy wrote:

Gardai have leaked incorrect information to the media before regarding one particular murder case I have in mind which was used as soundbites. Not saying it happened in this specific case but it certainly has happened in the past.

Presumably they went back in time and planted the story....
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

Pacing Mule · 09-04-2010 7:33pm

Nodin wrote: »

This has been pointed out to you numerous times. Why do you keep ignoring it?

....other than the fact that one of the accussed was done for a racist assault in 2001.....

Presumably they went back in time and planted the story....
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

How about you link to the actual verdict reports ?

It has been said that the accused was found not guilty when CCTV of him was shown elsewhere at the same time. Not that anyone linked to that either mind you.

Stinicker · 09-04-2010 7:50pm

The Murder of Toyosi was a disgrace and I hope the perpetrators gets properly punished. Why can't people organised a Rally against this corrupt Government who have destroyed Ireland and while I sympathise with the cause this is something that is far more Important.

Pacing Mule · 09-04-2010 7:53pm

Nodin wrote: »

As I pointed out earlier, one of the accused has a previous conviction for a racist attack.

Did not realise you had actually claimed he was convicted. If you can't show that he was convicted rather than accused then I'd suggest deleting that comment.

livingtargets · 09-04-2010 8:02pm

Pageant Messiah:

Where`s this magical evidence you have that makes it all right to stab a 15 year old lad through the heart?I`d be interested in seeing it.PM,please.

Then again,I`m just a mad Trot LGBT Trade Unionist heavy who`s going on a march to spread my secret agenda to take over the world with me and my black pagan gay pals,so maybe I won`t be able to understand it...

Pacing Mule · 09-04-2010 8:05pm

livingtargets wrote: »

Pageant Messiah:

Where`s this magical evidence you have that makes it all right to stab a 15 year old lad through the heart?I`d be interested in seeing it.PM,please.

Then again,I`m just a mad Trot LGBT Trade Unionist heavy who`s going on a march to spread my secret agenda to take over the world with me and my black pagan gay pals,so maybe I won`t be able to understand it...

I never said it was alright to stab anyone let alone a 15 year old. I said there were two sides to the story - and the second side shows it to be not the clear cut racist incident it has been depicted as. Will send you a PM of course but again to be clear I am not condoning the stabbing in any way.

livingtargets · 09-04-2010 8:06pm

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I never said it was alright to stab anyone let alone a 15 year old... again to be clear I am not condoning the stabbing in any way.

True.My apologies.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 9:54pm

Anyone who attends will be attending against the wishes of the family.

What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

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