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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"
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Originally Posted by J C
I can mathematically prove that He exists
Sparks
Go on then, we're listening...
Have a look here:-
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...postcount=1524
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but my my mathematical proof is focussed on the idea that Pondkind evolved into Mankind
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... of course, all of the material in the Universe isn't available ... most of it is in deep-frozen dark matter or super-hot stars ... which makes the task even more impossible!!!
That's why life didn't originate in the core of a super hot star - insofar as
the evidence tells us anyway. J C, I explained to you that all of the
material was available on the early earth in the form of organic materials,
this is carbon, hydrogen etc... extremely simple atoms that joined by
chemical bonds etc... to form more complex structures then following the
logic of the video even more complex structures. This is all we know for
now, but it explains the logical progression.0 -
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Please stop confusing the issue with stuff about Abiogenesis ... and stick with providing an explanation for how random mutations could ever produce the sequence for a specific functional small protein ... given the vast non-functional combinatorial space involved.
But I just explained that. You know nothing about this topic do you?
Proteins are made of polymers:
Proteins (also known as polypeptides) are organic compounds made of
amino acids arranged in a linear chain and folded into a globular form.
The amino acids in a polymer are joined together by the peptide bonds
between the carboxyl and amino groups of adjacent amino acid residues.
The sequence of amino acids in a protein is defined by the sequence of
a gene, which is encoded in the genetic code.[1] In general, the genetic
code specifies 20 standard amino acids; however, in certain organisms
the genetic code can include selenocysteine—and in certain archaea
—pyrrolysine. Shortly after or even during synthesis, the residues in a
protein are often chemically modified by post-translational modification,
which alters the physical and chemical properties, folding, stability,
activity, and ultimately, the function of the proteins. Proteins can also
work together to achieve a particular function, and they often associate
to form stable complexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein
Do you know what this says? It says the same thing I've been saying
which is that proteins are made of polymers. To go to the basics a
monomer is an atom or a small molecule. Amino Acids are classed as
monomers. I've described to you in the abiogenesis post how these
things form by simple materialistic processes. I just want you to
understand how the basics of proteins can form by materialistic
processes.
Now, once we have that out of the way we see there are 20 that
can be put into this sequence. Each have specific properties that are
determined by side chains and are specific, i.e. 7 are hydrophobic etc...
This drastically specifies the combinatorial options, i.e. makes the no.
smaller. Further, the atoms making them up drastically reduce possible
combinations further, i.e. only some electrons are available to bond etc...
You pulling out combinatorics out of your ass does nothing to understand
the complex specifics, the evidence suggests that all possible
combinations are extremely structured due to only a small window
of possible bonds.
To show you how low the possibilities are, I'll do my best. Hopefully
I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. Of 20 amino acids they form chains due
to condensation & hydrolysis reactions allowing covalent bonds:Not every protein contains
all kinds of amino acids, nor an equal number of different
ones. The diversity in amino acid content and sequence is
the source of the diversity in protein structures and functions.
-Life: The Science of Biology 7th ed.
So we see that in fact proteins are composed of even less than
all 20, so our combinations are even lower. All natural materialistic
processes account for how this is possible. There are other
factors affecting what gets placed where, and originally they were
more simple and gradually built up.
When you deny abiogenesis you deny chemistry & that proteins
even exist seeing as this is how they were made originally.
I see that you want to get off the topic of abiogenesis because
you see how foolish it is to deny, I mean you're denying scientifically
validated process, if I was denying this I'd feel stupid too & want to
change the subject
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What is wrong with this evidence for the vastness of the non-functional combinatorial space for a specific functional protein :-
If every cubic millimetre of the volume of the supposed 93 billion light year diameter Universe had a 'machine' running the permutations for a 100 chain protein once every second, they collectively would only produce 1.56E+107 permutations in the 13.9 billion years supposedly since the Big Bang ... which is an infinitesimally small fraction of the 1.27E+130 permutations of amino acids in a 100 chain protein.
So you can forget about ever producing even one small specific protein for a specific function, using non-intelligently directed processes ... there is simply not enough time or matter in the universe to do so
Seriously
Every time you repeat this invalidated nonsense I think:
God: Yes but don't they realise that every building had to have a builder...
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sponsoredwalk wrote: »But I just explained that. You know nothing about this topic do you?
Proteins are made of polymers:
Proteins (also known as polypeptides) are organic compounds made of
amino acids arranged in a linear chain and folded into a globular form.
The amino acids in a polymer are joined together by the peptide bonds
between the carboxyl and amino groups of adjacent amino acid residues.
The sequence of amino acids in a protein is defined by the sequence of
a gene, which is encoded in the genetic code.[1] In general, the genetic
code specifies 20 standard amino acids; however, in certain organisms
the genetic code can include selenocysteine—and in certain archaea
—pyrrolysine. Shortly after or even during synthesis, the residues in a
protein are often chemically modified by post-translational modification,
which alters the physical and chemical properties, folding, stability,
activity, and ultimately, the function of the proteins. Proteins can also
work together to achieve a particular function, and they often associate
to form stable complexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein
Do you know what this says? It says the same thing I've been saying
which is that proteins are made of polymers. To go to the basics a
monomer is an atom or a small molecule. Amino Acids are classed as
monomers. I've described to you in the abiogenesis post how these
things form by simple materialistic processes. I just want you to
understand how the basics of proteins can form by materialistic
processes.
Now, once we have that out of the way we see there are 20 that
can be put into this sequence. Each have specific properties that are
determined by side chains and are specific, i.e. 7 are hydrophobic etc...
This drastically specifies the combinatorial options, i.e. makes the no.
smaller. Further, the atoms making them up drastically reduce possible
combinations further, i.e. only some electrons are available to bond etc...
You pulling out combinatorics out of your ass does nothing to understand
the complex specifics, the evidence suggests that all possible
combinations are extremely structured due to only a small window
of possible bonds.
To show you how low the possibilities are, I'll do my best. Hopefully
I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. Of 20 amino acids they form chains due
to condensation & hydrolysis reactions allowing covalent bonds:
So we see that in fact proteins are composed of even less than
all 20, so our combinations are even lower. All natural materialistic
processes account for how this is possible. There are other
factors affecting what gets placed where, and originally they were
more simple and gradually built up.
When you deny abiogenesis you deny chemistry & that proteins
even exist seeing as this is how they were made originally.
I see that you want to get off the topic of abiogenesis because
you see how foolish it is to deny, I mean you're denying scientifically
validated process, if I was denying this I'd feel stupid too & want to
change the subject
Notice how you chose not to answer any of this post which answers all
your recent nonsense.
As for "intelligently knowing the end outcome", don't you understand
HELLO represents what the system is selecting, not intelligence...
If the environment is set up to let a self replicating cell, like the
one in the abiogenesis video, just live & reproduce then
naturally any cell that develops a natural benefit (i.e. the beginning of
an enzyme or a faster enzyme) that will select that organism.
ergih
eroig
eroio
dfvdo
sdvdo
That wasn't many generations of the organism before it
acquired a faster internal polymerization rate
eorio
wvi-o
wevio
!Now the self replicating cells great grandchild (or whatever) has an
even FASTER rate of production. What does this mean, it will eat it's
smaller neighbours more & also it will reproduce many times leading to
bigger cells
dejvo
eefeo
fedso
werio
verwo
weoqo
sebvo
teyho
aeweo
teuko
ueyeo
mekio
ieluo.
Now the cell has some other advantage, you get the idea. This is what
is meant by selection, notice that the environment is "intelligently"
selecting what will benefit. I didn't include any harmful mutations
or genetic variation because they died out, many daughter cells
were produced each generation. This is natural selection, the
thing you accept, notice the abiogenesis video you're trying to
ignore explains the origin of this selection.
Oh, and I quoted figures from NASA in this post to show all your figures
were wrong and I'm just trying you to acknowledge this after a month
of repeating it over and over again, are you finally listening? Do you
see how hard it's been to try to communicate a sentence to you? :mad:
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