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Secondary School Teacher with one subject

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    #32
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    I theory that would be best but I don't ever see that happening !!! I just wondered about a third subject because CSPE is used as a filler for hours and a lot of the time the teachers aren't CSPE teachers, that's why I want to have a third subject.


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    #33
    Chris68
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Chris68


    I have 5 subjects - all recognised by the teaching council. It doesn't help when looking for a job. There are no jobs.


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    #34
    sitstill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭sitstill


    Chris68 wrote: »
    I have 5 subjects - all recognised by the teaching council. It doesn't help when looking for a job. There are no jobs.

    How did you manage to qualify in 5 subjects?


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    #35
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    sitstill wrote: »
    How did you manage to qualify in 5 subjects?

    Two degrees (or equivalent) probably. I have four LC subjects: Ag Science, Biology and Chemistry from my degree and of course JC Science. I then did Open University Maths and am registered for that too.

    Have IT qualifications but never bothered to get them asssessed. Not wasting money paying TC for IT assessment for filler stuff on my timetable. A good combination of subjects in initial undergrad and some carefully chosen add ons/second degree can give a teacher a wide range of subjects.


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    #36
    Chris68
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Chris68


    sitstill wrote: »
    How did you manage to qualify in 5 subjects?

    Qualifications coming out my ears and a talent in jumping through hoops.:p


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    #37
    mj84
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭mj84


    Chris, you have surely managed to get something with 5 subjects if you're being serious.


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    #38
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    Chris68 wrote: »
    I have 5 subjects - all recognised by the teaching council. It doesn't help when looking for a job. There are no jobs.

    Ahhh! Don't say that! What hope is there for the rest of us!!


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    #39
    Chris68
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Chris68


    mj84 wrote: »
    Chris, you have surely managed to get something with 5 subjects if you're being serious.

    By "something" do you mean a job?

    I have 3 hours a week teaching FETAC to adults with the VEC. Due to end first week in May.

    I have another 2 hours a week teaching LC to adults. These are someone else's hours, not my own. Due to end last week in May.

    I have a further 4 or 5 hours teaching LC to 5th year students, outside the school timetable. These are due to end third week in May.

    None of the above hours pay me as a recognised teacher. I am classed as a "Tutor". Hourly rate ranges from €25 to €40. There is no security whatsoever. I am not paid unless I actually teach. I am not allowed even to get sick.

    I am not a newly qualified. I have been teaching for 12 years. I am being serious.

    BTW, my subjects are Maths, Applied Maths, Accounting, ICT, and Business Studies. All the hours above are in maths.


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    #40
    mj84
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭mj84


    Jesus Chris, that's amazing for such a qualified person, i was under the impression that the situation had only deteriorated in the last few years....


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    #41
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    very surprised at that !!!! are you only looking in certain places ??? I know of loads who have got Maths positions in the last few yrs !!!! although was told by the DP in the school im currently a regular sub that he expects there will be a mass exit next yr (2014) !!
    here`s hoping !!!!!


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    #42
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    shellywelly25 wrote: »
    very surprised at that !!!! are you only looking in certain places ??? I know of loads who have got Maths positions in the last few yrs !!!! although was told by the DP in the school im currently a regular sub that he expects there will be a mass exit next yr (2014) !!
    here`s hoping !!!!!

    Showing my ignorance here but why would there be a 'mass exit' next year? Pension related?


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    #43
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    apparently!! something about being able to retire on the pre-cuts like Feb last year !! To be honest I haven't checked it up so I could have wrong information !!!
    Would be great if it was true though !!!


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    #44
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    Hmmm, would be great. I wouldn't get my hopes up yet.


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    #45
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    No me neither god only knows what will happen in the next year !! but its a small light at the end of the tunnel !!!! Thats one of the main reasons I want to get a third subject ASAP !!!! Plus I`m hoping they will crack down on the number of unqual Maths teachers !!! but sure you might as well take a stab in the dark at this stage !!!!


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    #46
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    God, I've only one subject : English.

    No idea what to try as a second subject. Realistically I can't see myself learning a language to the standard needed to teach it.

    I wish it was like England where you basically only teach one subject. I don't want to teach another subject.


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    #47
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    shellywelly25 wrote: »
    apparently!! something about being able to retire on the pre-cuts like Feb last year !! To be honest I haven't checked it up so I could have wrong information !!!
    Would be great if it was true though !!!

    That was part of the Croke Park 2 agreement which so far has been met with a resounding No from teachers. Don't get your hopes up too soon.


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    #48
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,131 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The problem with any 'mass exit' from now on is that it will not translate into proper jobs - a person on 22 hours will be replaced with two people on 11 hours or better still (from the management point of view) three people on 7/8 hours.

    More people may get 'jobs' but it will be a very low paid career of scrabbling around for extra hours that won't be forthcoming.


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    #49
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    Why would management do that though? What's their rationale?


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    #50
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Heydeldel wrote: »
    Why would management do that though? What's their rationale?

    Officially it gives more flexibility in the timetable, hours can be raised or dropped on a person's contract from year to year within reason, until a CID is awarded.

    In real terms it means new teachers coming in will bend over backwards to get their foot in the door and be kept on in the hope that they will be given more hours the following year so they will work contracts on low hours.

    I started teaching in 2001 and there were never jobs advertised for <11 hours. If there were they tended to be job shares or there were a few hours going spare in a school and not enough to make up a full job. Pretty much everything I applied for that summer was 18 hours or more and same with all my friends. Schools mainly had people on full contracts or 18+ and there might be one or two people on lower hours (14-15) which inevitably would rise within a year or two.

    The notion of full hours has steadily been eroded over the last few years. People in my school 'are on to a good thing' if they come in on a 14 hour contract and would be willing to stay if it dropped to 11. A teacher wouldn't have entertained it 10 years ago, they'd have just gone elsewhere.


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    #51
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,131 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Easier to get rid of people, allows you to bring in less popular subjects and drop them after a couple of years if you need to, creates a lot of competition, so some people will do lots of 'free work' to get noticed. Lots of reasons why you might want to keep a staff with a high proportion of low hour people, especially if the situation is much the same elsewhere.


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    #52
    Heydeldel
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Heydeldel


    Thanks Rainbowtrout and Spurious. I'm new to this and very naive it seems.


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    #53
    whiteandlight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭whiteandlight


    I really wish the department would mandate on this. The level of smaller posts is growing year on year and ultimately the students suffer. Teachers, through shear necessity are footloose desperately trying to get more hours and students are going through endless cycles of teachers. I have picked up several groups of third year students in the last few years where I was the third, fourth and in one case the 5th teacher that class had. This is insanity and they did suffer as a result of the chopping and changing.


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    #54
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Musicmental85 wrote: »
    I really wish the department would mandate on this. The level of smaller posts is growing year on year and ultimately the students suffer. Teachers, through shear necessity are footloose desperately trying to get more hours and students are going through endless cycles of teachers. I have picked up several groups of third year students in the last few years where I was the third, fourth and in one case the 5th teacher that class had. This is insanity and they did suffer as a result of the chopping and changing.

    No chance of the dept. doing anything as they know schools are struggling to cope without posts being replaced. It is the teachers on these poor contracts who are in many cases taking over the duties of retired post holders in an effort to impress management and thus get rehired for another year. If you fail to do it then you are let go. I have seen it happen to a very good teacher. Also some students in my class wondered aloud in my class one day why was it that the "young" teachers doing all the extra stuff like green schools, student council etc.


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    #55
    whiteandlight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭whiteandlight


    I know it's wishful thinking but the profession is being destroyed by this. I was chatting to a friend of mine who works in tesco and she was stunned at the conditions of employment in teaching. She has more rights than we do and her hours cannot be cut


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    #56
    solerina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Musicmental85 wrote: »
    I know it's wishful thinking but the profession is being destroyed by this. I was chatting to a friend of mine who works in tesco and she was stunned at the conditions of employment in teaching. She has more rights than we do and her hours cannot be cut

    That unfortunately is the reality...but you must remember everyone knows that we have great jobs, earn huge salaries and do very little (or so I keep hearing anyway :mad:).


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    #57
    mj84
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭mj84


    If there is so much of this breaking up of jobs going on and there is still mass unemployment in teaching what does that tell you?


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    #58
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    I see what you mean. Iv been in 6 schools over the past 2yrs in both Dublin and Cork and it is usually the younger teacher that do all the extra stuff. I would hate to think that they will continue to cut hours or give reduced contracts. its very annoying as a young teacher after studying for so long and entering the profession because I care for the education and development of the future generation !!! They need to cop on !!!!


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    #59
    mj84
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭mj84


    That's tough shellywelly, I wonder are the powers that be trying to dissuade people from going into teaching with all these measures?, maybe this is there way of dealing with the oversupply, from what I read here you would need a florence nightingale type of vocation to go into teaching these days.


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    #60
    shellywelly25
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭shellywelly25


    If anyone is looking to add maths this is what the TC accept:

    To obtain a qualification that fully meets degree requirements to teach Mathematics you could complete the following module at the Open University:
    MST121, MS221, M208 and one module from the level 8 (OU Level 3) list of courses below:

    Applications of probability
    M343
    Linear statistical Modelling
    M346
    Mathematical Statistics
    M347
    Mathematical methods and fluid mechanics
    MST326
    Groups and geometry
    M336
    Complex Analysis
    M337
    Number Theory and Mathematical Logic
    M381
    Optimization
    M373
    Graphs networks and design
    MT365


    Alternatively you could complete 10 ECTS of first year degree level Mathematics followed by a Higher Diploma in Mathematics at one of the NUI’s.


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    #61
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Musicmental85 wrote: »
    I really wish the department would mandate on this. The level of smaller posts is growing year on year and ultimately the students suffer. Teachers, through shear necessity are footloose desperately trying to get more hours and students are going through endless cycles of teachers. I have picked up several groups of third year students in the last few years where I was the third, fourth and in one case the 5th teacher that class had. This is insanity and they did suffer as a result of the chopping and changing.

    I am the fourth teacher for my JC students in 3 years. A joke. It's time for a parents' union to be set up to start informing parents of how the Department is short-changing them, particularly in deprived areas where class discipline problems are more of an issue and entire classes are suffering more than ever now that SNA numbers are lower. Poor parents. Poor children. And, yes, poor teachers.

    And Brendan Howlin sought €133,600 for one of his advisers. Another "I'm alright Jack" arsehole. A clear two fingers to the rest of the public sector. And he talks about "reforming" the public sector? How can the trades unions support the Labour Party with such patent smoked salmon socialists leading the show?


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