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Door to door salesmen, how do you see us?

  • 30-01-2015 12:02am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭


    I'm a door to door salesman. I like to think I'm a good one, in fact, I enjoy my job. Sure, I stand in the hurling rain, the sleet, the hail, but I sign people up that are willing to give monthly donations to charity. Some people slam what I do, because of what the owners of the charities earn every year and I understand that it can be frustrating, it's frustrating for us too.

    The fact of the matter is that I enjoy working with charities, and the idea that the last person I signed up, might just provide the few euro that will be needed to finalise the cure for cancer, or might be the few euro used to save a homeless man from the bitter cold this January.

    I want to know, how do you guys see us?

    I know that some people see us coming and say "Son, get the door and tell them your mother and I aren't here." Some people, on the other hand, see the charity that I represent and instantly open the door. (Unfortunately, I can't disclose the charity I work for, as I need to ensure that my views are not misinterpreted as the views of that charity as a whole.)

    So which one are you? And when it's all done and dusted and we ask, so are you in? Do you think.... **** off?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Scum, subhuman scum


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Looking fearfully in over the gate, with the dog barking mad at you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Nothing good ever comes from answering the door unless you are expecting something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    I am never rude to them, but to be honest i think people have a reasonable right to privacy and not to be bothered at their homes by sellers of any type.

    If it was up to me i would ban the practice, and the same for mass junk mailing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I am never rude to them, but to be honest i think people have a reasonable right to privacy and not to be bothered at their homes by sellers of any type.

    If it was up to me i would ban the practice, and the same for mass junk mailing.
    In a nutshell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,444 ✭✭✭✭Skid X


    quainy wrote: »
    I'm a door to door salesman...

    No thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Starscream25


    I genuinely dislike it, if I ever want to donate I will in my own time, don't like having to answer the door and feel the awkwardness of knowing straight away that I'd prefer retreat back to my couch with a cup of tea than stand there listening to the good work that is being done etc and whether I would subscribe or donate, I feel it's quite invasive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    I want to know, how do you guys see us?

    Let me guess, you're considered "self employed", on commision and told that one day you too can own your own "sales company". I feel sorry for you more than anything. You're being taken for a ride and you don't even know it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Mammy get the curtains, Geldofs coming down the lane!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Never engage with them.
    /checks CCTV, don't recognise caller, ignore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭MAJJ


    I am never rude to them, but to be honest i think people have a reasonable right to privacy and not to be bothered at their homes by sellers of any type.

    If it was up to me i would ban the practice, and the same for mass junk mailing.


    Me too. Am always polite with them as it must be tough but I never let them get started.


  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Starboy


    You are a nusiance,you might think you're a briliant salesman but you're not,ye just piss people off disturbing them,i ****ing hate cold callers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Should be lined up against the wall and shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Woshy


    I had a Dogs Trust guy call out to me late this afternoon. I was upstairs so all the lights etc were off downstairs and it looked like nobody was home. I went down to the answer the door but he didn't hang around long, by the time I got down to the door he was trudging sadly down the driveway in flurries of snow. I just felt sorry for him to be honest.

    Not sorry enough to call him back and actually talk to him though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭Littlekittylou


    Through the peep hole. You all have the same weird face.

    In truth I view you with suspicion. You will never leave any materials to verify who you are you scorn at any suggestion to view a website in reference to what you are selling. You often ask for credit card details on the doorstep.

    You mental?
    Some people slam what I do, because of what the owners of the charities earn every year and I understand that it can be frustrating, it's frustrating for us too.

    I doubt the veracity of the post though. You call yourself a salesman. But you are not, you're not selling anything. Charities refer to their door to door staff as fundraisers if they are paid and volunteers if they are not.

    By the way there are people who do your job for free for charities purely on a volunteer basis.


  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Starboy


    Through the peep hole. You all have the same weird face.

    In truth I view you with suspicion. You will never leave any materials to verify who you are you scorn at any suggestion to view a website in reference to what you are selling. You often ask for credit card details on the doorstep.

    You mental?


    I doubt the veracity of the post though. You call yourself a salesman. But you are not, you're not selling anything. Charities refer to their door to door staff as fundraisers if they are paid and volunteers if they are not.

    By the way there are people who do your job for free for charities purely on a volunteer basis.


    This This and this ^^^^^^


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    I think less of any charity employing such people tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Venus In Furs


    You will never leave any materials to verify who you are you scorn at any suggestion to view a website in reference to what you are selling.
    They all scorn this? People who do door-to-door for Airtricity and the like have forms don't they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭rednik


    I normally see you through the crosshairs of my telescopic sight.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭SweetChaos


    Hate them I try to be nice but when they persist Ive found that a fck off and door close in their face has worked recently

    I used to be polite but my patience has worn thin with these feckers , it is intrusive and intimidating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    i did door to door sales for one day

    selling frozen fish...every second house slammed the door in my face

    utterly soul destroying :( you need gater skin for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    I had a memorable encounter with one such fundraiser/volunteer/salesman whatever they're calling themselves. He was from Victory Outreach. He asked me for a donation, and I went to hand him a fiver I had on me.

    "Can't take that bud" he says "has to be by standing order" and whipping out a form.

    "I wouldn't be interested, I've enough direct debits and standing orders to keep track of as it is" I replied.

    "Think you've got it bad?" he said.

    "You what? No, I didn't say that"

    He butted in "You go on back to your nice warm gaf there, g'wan, don't bother yer arse thinking of anny wan else" turns on his heel and walks back down the drive!

    I stood there like this :eek: then I just did exactly what he suggested!


  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    quainy wrote: »
    I'm a door to door salesman. I like to think I'm a good one, in fact, I enjoy my job. Sure, I stand in the hurling rain, the sleet, the hail, but I sign people up that are willing to give monthly donations to charity. Some people slam what I do, because of what the owners of the charities earn every year and I understand that it can be frustrating, it's frustrating for us too.

    The fact of the matter is that I enjoy working with charities, and the idea that the last person I signed up, might just provide the few euro that will be needed to finalise the cure for cancer, or might be the few euro used to save a homeless man from the bitter cold this January.

    I want to know, how do you guys see us?

    I know that some people see us coming and say "Son, get the door and tell them your mother and I aren't here." Some people, on the other hand, see the charity that I represent and instantly open the door. (Unfortunately, I can't disclose the charity I work for, as I need to ensure that my views are not misinterpreted as the views of that charity as a whole.)

    So which one are you? And when it's all done and dusted and we ask, so are you in? Do you think.... **** off?

    Are you really a door-to-door salesman? I thought they went out with the 1970's. The only people who come to my door are the post office people and Jehovah's witnesses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Like most people, I just want to bath/feed the kids, relax, do my stuff in the evenings after a day's graft and I've no interest in being sold things in my home that I can research online during the day.

    So I always quickly close the door firmly and politely and then stew in guilt for about half an hour thinking I've been a cnut to somebody making a living working unsocial hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    fryup wrote: »
    i did door to door sales for one day

    selling frozen fish...every second house slammed the door in my face

    utterly soul destroying :( you need gater skin for it

    Ah yes but then after 5 10 hour days you think of those 3 sales you made to some elderly women and how you just need 82 more so you meet your target and get paid 1 euro per sale, sure last week despite making a few sales you didnt get paid, but this is the week!. You cant put a price on such joy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I remember a certain insurance company would keep sending someone around to my door every so often to try and sell more and more cover. They never understood the word no so i eventually cancelled my policy because of it. Salesmen need to respect and learn more about the word "no" then maybe they'd be more welcome to at least ask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭quainy


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Scum, subhuman scum

    You can keep it clean, I am a person too. You could quite easily have said you dislike people in my profession. Manners costs you nothing.
    Let me guess, you're considered "self employed", on commision and told that one day you too can own your own "sales company". I feel sorry for you more than anything. You're being taken for a ride and you don't even know it.

    Genuinely, no. I earn a set wage, regardless of how many sales I make. I worked in 100% commission jobs for a while, met some sales targets, got to the "cliff" as it's called, where you are simply never going to meet the criteria to progress and decided that enough was enough, I'd move somewhere better.
    Through the peep hole. You all have the same weird face.

    In truth I view you with suspicion. You will never leave any materials to verify who you are you scorn at any suggestion to view a website in reference to what you are selling. You often ask for credit card details on the doorstep.

    You mental?


    I doubt the veracity of the post though. You call yourself a salesman. But you are not, you're not selling anything. Charities refer to their door to door staff as fundraisers if they are paid and volunteers if they are not.

    By the way there are people who do your job for free for charities purely on a volunteer basis.

    That is completely true, and those volunteers, do it one day each week, or once a year for a week. Put bluntly, I'm more experienced, I work at what I do, I train to get better at it, not that the volunteers don't but my job depends on it. I also do it every day, monday - friday. And I work hard, so those volunteers are great, but they dry up at certain times. This time of year being an example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    Id rather **** in my hands and clap than waste what seems an eternity for you to reel off your memorised spiel while I wonder if it's rude to just slam the door shut


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭RonanP77


    I let a charity salesmanwoman/fundraiser into the house once and ended up setting up a direct debit for a charity that I kept going for a good few years. She was a super hot red head, if it was a bloke I wouldn't have given him a penny. I was young and innocent and severely sleep deprived after a week on night shift.

    I just stop people straight away now, tell them I have a few charities that I give to regularly and I can't afford to give to anyone else. If it's an actual salesman that's not from a charity I just say no thanks before they even get into their rhythm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    Although not exactly a door-to-door salesman, I did once work delivering pizza when I first moved to the US. It was very interesting. Several times, the person ordering opened the door in the nude and invited me 'for a slice'....:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭AryaStark


    quainy wrote: »
    I'm a door to door salesman. I like to think I'm a good one, in fact, I enjoy my job. Sure, I stand in the hurling rain, the sleet, the hail, but I sign people up that are willing to give monthly donations to charity. Some people slam what I do, because of what the owners of the charities earn every year and I understand that it can be frustrating, it's frustrating for us too.

    The fact of the matter is that I enjoy working with charities, and the idea that the last person I signed up, might just provide the few euro that will be needed to finalise the cure for cancer, or might be the few euro used to save a homeless man from the bitter cold this January.

    I want to know, how do you guys see us?

    I know that some people see us coming and say "Son, get the door and tell them your mother and I aren't here." Some people, on the other hand, see the charity that I represent and instantly open the door. (Unfortunately, I can't disclose the charity I work for, as I need to ensure that my views are not misinterpreted as the views of that charity as a whole.)

    So which one are you? And when it's all done and dusted and we ask, so are you in? Do you think.... **** off?

    Do you work long hours? I am thinking of doing something like this because being in the dole and doing nothing all day is killing me. Would you earn much weekly?

    Personally I don't mind people who knock but am already signed up for enough while not working!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭quainy


    AryaStark wrote: »
    Do you work long hours? I am thinking of doing something like this because being in the dole and doing nothing all day is killing me. Would you earn much weekly?

    Personally I don't mind people who knock but am already signed up for enough while not working!!!

    I went ahead and PM'd you some details to try keep the thread on topic :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Woshy


    Asarlai wrote: »
    Although not exactly a door-to-door salesman, I did once work delivering pizza when I first moved to the US. It was very interesting. Several times, the person ordering opened the door in the nude and invited me 'for a slice'....:D

    My husband worked as a pizza delivery boy in New Zealand years ago. He regularly got offered weed as payment for the pizza, or got invited in to get high with people. I guess stoners really like pizza!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Ah,


    *avoids thread and contact with OP*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Electric gates!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    Feck off annoying me at home. its the one place a person should be able to go without being disturbed by other people or things.

    also feck off trying to stop me in my path on the street. I'm clearly doing something/needing to be somewhere/working etc and your not helping me achieve that*

    *people doing work for charities on street may have gotten a piece of my mind recently regarding this. They were shocked at what i said because they knew they done goofed. (walking through the city in work uniform going somewhere)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    Quainy, though you've only posted a handful of times in this thread you do come across as being a positive, up-beat individual. You say you like what you do, that you gain a feeling of satisfaction when you sign someone up to your charity, and you feel that you're helping in some way. This all comes across clearly, and in general I would say job satisfaction is important.

    I've no doubt that you're courteous in your dealings with the public, and I'd like to believe that you don't stoop to some of the "guilting" tactics that some of us are used to from charity employees. That said, can you genuinely not see where the majority of the posters in this thread are coming from?

    Can you not see how intrusive your line of work is? What does it matter if we're the "I'm not in" type, or the "slam the door" type. You're on our property, you're disturbing us during anti-social hours, probably during a time when we're sitting down to dinner, or relaxing after a day's work, or trying to get the kids to bed. It's not wrong for us to want to ignore you. It's our prerogative.

    Personally, I am almost always suspicious of people in your line of work. It angers me to see the elderly (in particular) being taken advantage of by pushy salesmen who sign up those who might not have the capacity to say no. I'd wager those of pensionable age are the bread and butter of your trade.

    And let's call a spade a spade here; you're not saving the world. You're doing a job and you're getting paid for it. Like I said, job satisfaction is a nice perk of any position, but you're not just doing this out of the good of your heart. You're doing it to get paid. EDIT: That doesn't make you superior to the volunteers, be they fair-weather contributors or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I don't get many of them, maybe three a year, but it's gotta be tough and I'd say it's easier to be on the dole.

    But it's hard for the internet imaginary tough men with their imaginary guns and imaginary crosshairs mounted on their imaginary telescopic sights of their imaginary guns living in their parents home to realise this.

    I'd endeavor to be polite and respectful. Fair play for giving it a shot, getting up off your arses and gaining some real world experiences, it will probably do you well in the future.

    As for the "subhuman scum" comments? Well... obvious issues, say no more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Desolation Of Smug


    Same answer as IRL - Feck off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I wouldn't cold call to peoples homes and expect to do business (talk money )with them, and I expect the same and refuse to do so.

    Am never rude though, it's a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Tis a tough gig to have. Generally a simple "no thanks" save a waste of both my and their time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭quainy


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Quainy, though you've only posted a handful of times in this thread you do come across as being a positive, up-beat individual. You say you like what you do, that you gain a feeling of satisfaction when you sign someone up to your charity, and you feel that you're helping in some way. This all comes across clearly, and in general I would say job satisfaction is important.

    I've no doubt that you're courteous in your dealings with the public, and I'd like to believe that you don't stoop to some of the "guilting" tactics that some of us are used to from charity employees. That said, can you genuinely not see where the majority of the posters in this thread are coming from?

    Can you not see how intrusive your line of work is? What does it matter if we're the "I'm not in" type, or the "slam the door" type. You're on our property, you're disturbing us during anti-social hours, probably during a time when we're sitting down to dinner, or relaxing after a day's work, or trying to get the kids to bed. It's not wrong for us to want to ignore you. It's our prerogative.

    Personally, I am almost always suspicious of people in your line of work. It angers me to see the elderly (in particular) being taken advantage of by pushy salesmen who sign up those who might not have the capacity to say no. I'd wager those of pensionable age are the bread and butter of your trade.

    And let's call a spade a spade here; you're not saving the world. You're doing a job and you're getting paid for it. Like I said, job satisfaction is a nice perk of any position, but you're not just doing this out of the good of your heart. You're doing it to get paid. EDIT: That doesn't make you superior to the volunteers, be they fair-weather contributors or not.

    You know, you spoke to me with a great deal of respect there, so much so that I want to reply to your post in full. First off, thank you for the compliments, I pride myself in the fact that I have a bubbly personality and that I was brought up by my grandfather who had served in the military, so I would certainly never badger anyone. I was though manners and no means no, even in my line of work.

    I can see where everyone is coming from, I genuinely do, hell, I reckon if I wasn't doing what I am doing for a living then I would be of the same mindset. I just think that I can never truly see through a person's eyes without being in their position, so this thread was a sort of way for me to see it from the point of view of you guys.

    It's an extremely intrusive line of work and in that sense, I feel genuinely bad, when I call to a door, I can tell, just by the look a person gives me. If I see that "Don't ever darken my doorway again" look, I simply smile and tell them to have a nice evening and that I am sorry for interrupting their day. You guys can be busy, that's not unimaginable, and I don't expect you to drop it for me. Never in a million years would I expect that.

    Everyone is suspicious of people that do what I do, and for good right. Do you know how ill I feel when I hear of people with no actual charity number scamming people and letting them believe they're helping but really just taking everything? I think its vile.

    Actually, I don't like to call on pensioners, I have grand parents and I know how nice they are so I won't bother anyone of their age, it's just a thing that I can't do. I'm teased about it in the office and some days when I don't reach targets, they say "should have signed the elderly woman at the top of the road". I imagine and understand that majority of people in my trade do focus on this group of people as their target audience, however, I can't.

    Yes, you're right, it is my job, it is how I earn a living, if that's what you want to call it. I'm not well payed, and I'm far from rich, but I get by. I do feel that maybe, just maybe that last guy could help. That's my motivation when I'm being ****ed on in December. However, I do understand it. Nope, I know that I'm not superior to volunteers, in fact, they are superior to me, taking time from their free time to do it. I am only saying that although those volunteers are lovely and a great asset, the fact of the matter is simply that somebody doing it five days a week and fifty two weeks a year will just have signed more for the charity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    I don't get many of them, maybe three a year, but it's gotta be tough and I'd say it's easier to be on the dole.

    But it's hard for the internet imaginary tough men with their imaginary guns and imaginary crosshairs mounted on their imaginary telescopic sights of their imaginary guns living in their parents home to realise this.

    I'd endeavor to be polite and respectful. Fair play for giving it a shot, getting up off your arses and gaining some real world experiences, it will probably do you well in the future.

    As for the "subhuman scum" comments? Well... obvious issues, say no more.

    You only get three calls a year. I promise you you'd get pretty bored of being polite and respectful when one of these fukkers comes a-knockin' every other week. It's been a long time since I let one of them get to the end of their opening sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭lulu1


    I have non I problem with sales men as long as they take no for an answer when I don't want to buy what they are selling. It's when they keep talking and don't let you get a word in edgeway's that gets me


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only people I like a my door are family and friends. Get thee away DTD people.

    Really annoys me when some random person calls and wants to sell me something.
    Fook right off, have the internet, thanks If I'm in the market for something, I know where to look.

    Yes, I know you have a living to make. So Im usually polite, but if ye dont get the hint within,,hmmm lets say 1 min, then the door gets slammed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    quainy wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is that I enjoy working with charities, and the idea that the last person I signed up, might just provide the few euro that will be needed to finalise the cure for cancer, or might be the few euro used to save a homeless man from the bitter cold this January.

    I want to know, how do you guys see us?

    You are utterly self-deluded with your crap about curing cancer and saving the homeless.

    The only people who do your job for more than a day or two out of sheer desperation, are ones who not give a **** about anyone other than themselves.

    I pity you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    I think a much more successful option to bothering people at their homes in the evenings, where they usually won't want to be bothered and end up being rude to you, would be to approach them in the work place during the time they're actually approachable for business and, to be honest, a lot of people will enjoy it as a tiny break/distraction from work for a couple of minutes.


    If you got permission to go around a few civil service offices if there are any in your area where there are ~500 employees I'd say you'd get a lot more donations in one week than you would by doing the usual door to door at homes in the evening. In a lot of office environments as well they're layed out in groups at their cubicles so if you got one person in the group to donate I'm sure the rest will usually follow since they'll feel pressured to not be seen as a greedy bitch or bastard by their peers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭quainy


    You are utterly self-deluded with your crap about curing cancer and saving the homeless.

    The only people who do your job for more than a day or two out of sheer desperation, are ones who not give a **** about anyone other than themselves.

    I pity you.

    My opinion and yours differ unfortunately.

    There are people who have been at it a long time and most of them are pretty horrible people, you wouldn't tar all Irish people with one stereotype or opinion, kindly, don't do the same to people in my profession :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    quainy wrote: »
    My opinion and yours differ unfortunately.

    There are people who have been at it a long time and most of them are pretty horrible people, you wouldn't tar all Irish people with one stereotype or opinion, kindly, don't do the same to people in my profession :)

    Well there's something we can agree on.


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