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De Facto Relationships Ireland

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  • #152
    CanadaEh
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭CanadaEh


    perfectblue wrote: »
    hi all, i just wanted to add to this thread. i submitted my application on 25 April 2013, and received approval for Stamp 4 a couple of days ago. not sure if i'm an anomaly (am American, OH is Irish), but it essentially took a month for us. our application was a large binder with LOTS of pages (which we haven't gotten back yet).
    Hi perfectblue,

    Could you possibly give me a quick summary of how you organized your application? I'm literally in the midst of organizing mine and want to be sure I've included everything and it's easy to go through. Much appreciated!!


  • #153
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    Hi CanadaEh,

    Sure. I actually used post #69 (a few pages back) as a sort of checklist for my own visa. I've read a lot of posts here, and I notice that some people organize chronologically (mixing together all the different pieces of documentation), and others do it by type of documentation. We found it easier to do by type of documentation, with details written on the backs of pages/photos as necessary. I had a "cover sheet" for each section too, which detailed what was in each section (ie, wedding invite June 2013, thank you card April 2012, etc). And, I had descriptors of who people are and how they are related to us (ie, back of picture might say "Me with OH's nephew March 2012"). I even did those descriptors on the copies of cards we'd received. Might have been overkill, but a well-organized too-much is better than not enough!
    Oh and each "cover sheet" had a tab on it too (in case anyone is wondering, I'm a project manager).
    Since we never lived together (or even in the same country), I erred on the side of overkill. If you have documentation of living together, that would make it stronger, I think.

    The full list (going from memory, as we haven't gotten it back yet):
    I. Letter from both of us about how/when we met, who we've met from each other's lives, brief rundown of milestones, future plans/commitment, etc. Also some brief details of who I am (education, job, etc) and my boyfriend's work here, and how I'm supporting myself (so as not to be a burden on the State).
    Also our UPC bill with my name on it.
    II. Table of Contents
    III. Timeline of our Relationship (more details on milestones)
    IV. Letters from OH's sister, my brother, and my former boss
    V. Info about me: CV, grad school transcript, passport pages, copy of my health insurance
    VI. Info about OH: mortgage statement, passport pages
    VII. 6 months of our bank statements (individual, we do not have a joint one)
    VIII. Screenshot of OH's email folder with our correspondence (didn't include any actual emails)
    IX. Photos (from trips, etc): cover sheet indicated # of photos from each visit with date, and then the back of each photo had date, location, and who is in it
    X. Flight Details: Email confirmations of flights to see each other (and trips taken together)
    XI. Facebook posts: screenshots of status updates, photos, etc, on Facebook (with dates, etc)
    XII. Cards and Invites


    Hope this helps! Happy to answer additional questions if needed. Good luck!


  • #154
    avm1599
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭avm1599


    To anyone who could be kind enough to help us out,

    I am a non EEA partner of an Irish citizen. We have been given the "join partner visa" for me to enter Ireland. In order to get the join partner visa we had to provide an exhaustive list of documents similar to post #69.

    Partner of Irish Citizen/Work Permit Holder/Green Card Holder and Persons Granted Long Term Residence

    If you are:
    the partner of an Irish Citizen in a long-term relationship that has existed for at least 2 years
    or
    the partner of a non-EEA national who is a Work Permit Holder/Green Card Holder or person Granted Long Term Residence in a long-term relationship that has existed for at least 4 years
    or
    a civil partner who has contracted a registered partnership, or is a party to a class of legal relationship specified in the Civil Partnership (Recognition of Registered Foreign Relationships) Order 2010 as entitled to be recognized as a civil partnership,
    and
    you wish to join your partner in Ireland or accompany them to Ireland, the following documents are required in order to have your application considered:
    Fully complete the online application form, and submit your signed summary application form, photographs and fee (if applicable).

    In addition to the signed summary application form, please also submit a signed letter of application
    outlining your reason for coming to Ireland,
    giving details of any members of your family who are currently in Ireland, or any other EU State.

    Passport, valid for 12 months, and copy of previous passport if applicable. (If your passport is relatively new, it may assist your application if you provide your previous passport showing any previous visas for any other country, and your previous travel history)
    If you have been refused a visa for any other country, details of this must be given. Submit the original letter issued to you by the authorities of that country. Concealment of visa refusals will result in your Irish visa application being refused.

    A detailed statement of your bank account covering a six-month period immediately prior to your visa application, and showing sufficient funds to cover your costs

    Evidence that you are lawfully resident in a country other than Ireland

    Documentary evidence that will support the existence and durability of the relationship – e.g. Registration Certificate of partnership (if applicable) or evidence of common ownership of property, joint tenancy of property, on-going correspondence addressed to both partners at the same address, financial dependence/interdependence, or any other relevant documentation

    A full account of relationship history – when and where you met, evidence of this such as visas, entry/exit stamps on the passport of your partner. Please note that for Immigration purposes it is not sufficient for a relationship to have developed solely over the internet or by telephone/sms. A relationship must include a number face to face meetings (excluding webcam) between the parties. You must satisfy the visa officer that the relationship is bona-fide.

    Clear copy of spouse’s passport, or documentary evidence attesting to spouse's Irish citizenship.

    Evidence of how your partner will support you financially – e.g. P60, payslips, bank statement for 6 months prior to application

    Private Medical Insurance.

    Given that the embassy of Ireland in my home country granted me this visa (expiry date 22/08/13), on arrival in Ireland i would need to register with the local Garda to get the stamp 3, while the application we submit with the INIS gets processed.

    My query is: #1 now that the Embassy has acknowledged our relationship as genuine and granted me the visa, what time frame could we expect to be waiting while our application is under processing?

    #2 would i be permitted to take up volunteer work while we are waiting for our application to be processed?

    #3 would it take longer for the stamp4 to be approved given that we already waited 8 weeks to get the 'join partner visa'?

    As we have been unsuccessful in getting any academic response from the INIS, we would highly appreciate if anyone could throw some light on our situation as time is of the essence.


  • #155
    Ronnygenius
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Ronnygenius


    Any one with some news today?? am actually giving up with the long wait .... Applied last year in December.... I wrote to them two weeks ago enquiring about the status of my application. They replied back to me acknowledging they have received my post and they would like me to provide a proof of medical insurance which i did send them my copies of VHI.
    Thought they will get back to me soon once i furnish them with the requested documents .... But no reply yet :-(


  • #156
    flynnme
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭flynnme


    About a year and a half ago my partner and I were granted a De Facto waiver (I'm non-EEA and he is Irish). It was a long wait for the approval, and my deepest sympathies for those of you going through it as it took over 3-4 months for us and we were a textbook case with loads of proof. But we have been living and working together in Ireland since then with no hassle, including the 1 year renewal.

    However, lately there has been a lot of questions arising about what exactly the legal status of our relationship is. Is there any kind of legal status to a De Facto relationship, aside from a right to remain?

    For example, my work offers health insurance to spouses, but will not cover him. Is this legal? Or I am filling out paperwork to determine my fee status in potential post-graduate work, and have difficulty defining what box to tick. Am I single, non-EEA national, or spouse to EEA-national? We're not married, but not exactly single either. For all intents and purposes am I an Irish resident?

    I would appreciate any advice from people who are going through this as well. It seems like a lot of work to go through to come out of it still not knowing what protections you do and don't have.


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  • #157
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    Hi everyone, I applied to De Facto Relationship on the 20th of May and I am still waiting for an answer. I am non-EEU and bf is irish. Anyone there that Applied about the same period and got it already? Thanks!


  • #158
    Ronnygenius
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Ronnygenius


    Applied mine last year in December and got an approval last week ....


  • #159
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    Ronnygenius wrote: »
    Applied mine last year in December and got an approval last week ....


    Were you working during this time?


  • #160
    avm1599
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭avm1599


    Bb2013 wrote: »
    Hi everyone, I applied to De Facto Relationship on the 20th of May and I am still waiting for an answer. I am non-EEU and bf is irish. Anyone there that Applied about the same period and got it already? Thanks!

    Hi.. Would you be kind enough to mail me the details of the application process..


  • #161
    Ronnygenius
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Ronnygenius


    Wasn't allowed to work at that period of time


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  • #162
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    avm1599 wrote: »
    Hi.. Would you be kind enough to mail me the details of the application process..

    What do you want to know?


  • #163
    Riat
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Riat


    Hi,

    I want to know how to write letter explaining relationship ,what is letter format and how to proceed with letter for family and friends ,if I get template how to present it ,I will be glad,it been tough to start with,if we are describing about our relationship we need to request for ant stamps or just go on describing it,hope you to hear from you all .Thanks


  • #164
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    Riat wrote: »
    Hi,

    I want to know how to write letter explaining relationship ,what is letter format and how to proceed with letter for family and friends ,if I get template how to present it ,I will be glad,it been tough to start with,if we are describing about our relationship we need to request for ant stamps or just go on describing it,hope you to hear from you all .Thanks

    I started my letter saying who I am, who is my boyfriend and what I am applying for.

    Then I said what I have been doing since Im in Ireland, why did I come to Ireland, Where have a been studying and working and Then I wrote about the relationship.

    I started saying where we met, how we started to date, when I met his family, saying in chronological order, trips we did together, family parties we went, when he met my family, etc.. and then I said what are our plans together.

    Then I stated all the documents attached to proof everything I said.

    And that was it!


  • #165
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    I was wondering about the Form EU1 where you can find online, Did everybody send it as well? Because I didnt and just found this form this week and I was wondering if to sent it now or not. I sent my application in May but still no answer!


  • #166
    Riat
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Riat


    Bb2013 wrote: »
    I started my letter saying who I am, who is my boyfriend and what I am applying for.

    Then I said what I have been doing since Im in Ireland, why did I come to Ireland, Where have a been studying and working and Then I wrote about the relationship.

    I started saying where we met, how we started to date, when I met his family, saying in chronological order, trips we did together, family parties we went, when he met my family, etc.. and then I said what are our plans together.

    Then I stated all the documents attached to proof everything I said.

    And that was it!

    Thanks ,is their possible to write letter ourselfs for his and my family and friend or they should write one ,I was thinking we write letters for them and take their signature ,if we don't provide parents letters it will be draw back ,in some cases if their are busy and we didn't received their letters ,we can proceed with letters we received to submit ,hope to hear from you soon,thanks a lot


  • #167
    ggn
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭ggn


    Does anyone know if the fee (300 euro) for GNIB is applied for facto relationship as well?


  • #168
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    There is no fees.


  • #169
    kenno83
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭kenno83


    Hi just a quick question. Me (Irish) and my Mexican GF have applied last week so now were playing the waiting game. Sent in a nice big folder with all sorts of stuff from our relationship and signed letters etc.

    Her situation is, she has a current student visa for Ireland until end of October so she is entitled to work part time based on that visa. She is telling me that she heard that you can not leave the country while your application is being processed. Now I imagine this cannot be the case as her current visa allows her to travel in the EU freely. I ask because were going to Malta on our holidays in September and would be sickened if we couldn't go.

    Ive read through the INIS website and have got no info in this regard. Does anyone have any experience of this?


  • #170
    Ronnygenius
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Ronnygenius


    I think she can travel so long as her current student visa is valid.... I travelled two times while my de facto application was being processed. But once her visa expires then she can't travel as they won't allow her back


  • #171
    kenno83
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭kenno83


    Yeah that's what I had presumed. Surely the status of her current visa and rights enjoyed therefrom obviously don't change by virtue of applying for de facto status.

    Thanks


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  • #172
    rian_dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭rian_dublin


    Hi,

    My girlfriend (Brazil) and I (Irish) are planning on applying for the De Facto visa. We are together 2 years and are confident we can put a good case of evidences together. Our main concerns relate to the fact that she is a) not currently in the country (although she has spent 6 years in total in Ireland on student visas) and b) we both had planned on volunteering abroad towards the end of the year (for up to a year). So the main questions we have that I would be very grateful if someone could answer are:

    1) Can we apply if my girlfriend is out of the country? I assume GNIB would know this based on the fact there is no current/valid visa in her passport pages? Is this the type of thing they check for?

    2) If an application is approved, how long do we have to bring the approval letter to a Garda Station to receive the Stamp 4? i.e. if we receive the approval letter in September and we are out of the country, can we wait until we are back in Ireland in December to get the stamp?

    Thanks in advance for any help


  • #173
    yami1686
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭yami1686


    Hey very useful thread!
    our situation is slightly different, so was hoping to hear from any of you that may have similar situations.

    My bf (Irish) and I (non-EEA) have been together for over 4 years. We live in Belgium, and have been living together for about 3.5 years. We both work full time and have a 'legal cohabitation' (Belgian equivalent to de facto relationship).
    Now, is there a way to simply transfer our status to Ireland?
    We are hoping to move back in the next year, but it would be extremely difficult for me to have to stay for any period of time longer than a month or two without working!

    Can this process be started from abroad?

    Thank you for all your help


  • #174
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    yami1686 wrote: »
    Hey very useful thread!
    our situation is slightly different, so was hoping to hear from any of you that may have similar situations.

    My bf (Irish) and I (non-EEA) have been together for over 4 years. We live in Belgium, and have been living together for about 3.5 years. We both work full time and have a 'legal cohabitation' (Belgian equivalent to de facto relationship).
    Now, is there a way to simply transfer our status to Ireland?
    We are hoping to move back in the next year, but it would be extremely difficult for me to have to stay for any period of time longer than a month or two without working!

    Can this process be started from abroad?

    Thank you for all your help

    As far as I know, the Irish de facto relationship status is a strictly Irish thing (not EU) so you would have to apply. Presumably you could include some official info about your status in Belgium to strengthen your case.

    I believe the visa is actually "permission to remain", so the stamp in the passport that indicates date of arrival is very relevant (which is to say, no I don't think you can apply from abroad, but others might disagree).

    However, I applied knowing that less than 2 months later I would be leaving the country on a short trip (that turned into a longer trip for work reasons). My plan was to tell immigration on my way back in that I had this application pending, left the country to visit family/do work, etc (I would show them the letter showing the pending app). But I ended up getting my approval before I left, so it was a moot point. In any case, I do think that you can leave the country. I also find immigration to be very relaxed, so not sure it matters too much to them.


  • #175
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    rian_dublin wrote: »
    Hi,

    2) If an application is approved, how long do we have to bring the approval letter to a Garda Station to receive the Stamp 4? i.e. if we receive the approval letter in September and we are out of the country, can we wait until we are back in Ireland in December to get the stamp?

    Thanks in advance for any help

    My approval letter states that I need to get my Stamp 4 as soon as possible (we went about 10 days later). However, the expiration on the stamp and my registration card are both based on the date of approval in the letter, not the date I went to get the stamp.
    The letter also states that the approval is based on my "continuous residence in the State" defined as "living in the State for the period covered by this temporary permission to remain, allowing for reasonable periods of absence..."
    So you might want to consider the timing of getting the stamp and then going away for a year.


  • #176
    SEEMagazine
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SEEMagazine


    Speaking to your local Embassy should always be the first thing you do. I've found my own to be of great assistance when trying to navigate a mountain of paperwork...what looked like a lost cause back in June has now been salvaged and wedding bells will be ringing just over 3 weeks from now.

    Embassies, they will tell you themselves, are there to help in whatever way they can, and in instances where they cannot render direct assistance then they will likely be able to point you in the right direction.


  • #177
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    SEEMagazine wrote: »
    Speaking to your local Embassy should always be the first thing you do. I've found my own to be of great assistance when trying to navigate a mountain of paperwork...what looked like a lost cause back in June has now been salvaged and wedding bells will be ringing just over 3 weeks from now.

    Embassies, they will tell you themselves, are there to help in whatever way they can, and in instances where they cannot render direct assistance then they will likely be able to point you in the right direction.

    One would expect this to be true, and I'm glad you had a good experience, but I've had the opposite experience. On more than one occasion, an embassy has given me incorrect information that either resulted in denial of a visa/permission to remain, exorbitant fines, or general headaches later with immigration. If the embassy can put you in touch with someone from immigration or the justice ministry itself, that can be useful. But embassies are in a different part of the government, and they don't always have the most recent information.


  • #178
    SEEMagazine
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SEEMagazine


    Ok, I'm also in a position, professionally speaking, to approach high levels of Government directly in search of information - but it's important to talk with the 'local' staff within the Embassy, the Belgians for instance who work in the Irish Embassy in Brussels, etc, as they will be more familiar with Belgian law than the Irish staff.

    I've also found, here in Croatia, that if your native homeland has implemented quotas on Croatian workers that you're in for a world of hurt regarding paperwork. If the country your OH is from has good relations with Ireland then that would help...


  • #179
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    SEEMagazine wrote: »
    Ok, I'm also in a position, professionally speaking, to approach high levels of Government directly in search of information - but it's important to talk with the 'local' staff within the Embassy, the Belgians for instance who work in the Irish Embassy in Brussels, etc, as they will be more familiar with Belgian law than the Irish staff.

    That I would agree with. I see no reason why Irish embassy workers would be experts on Belgian law - their job is to know Irish law (economics, culture, customs, etc).


  • #180
    yami1686
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭yami1686


    perfectblue wrote: »
    As far as I know, the Irish de facto relationship status is a strictly Irish thing (not EU) so you would have to apply. Presumably you could include some official info about your status in Belgium to strengthen your case.

    I believe the visa is actually "permission to remain", so the stamp in the passport that indicates date of arrival is very relevant (which is to say, no I don't think you can apply from abroad, but others might disagree).

    However, I applied knowing that less than 2 months later I would be leaving the country on a short trip (that turned into a longer trip for work reasons). My plan was to tell immigration on my way back in that I had this application pending, left the country to visit family/do work, etc (I would show them the letter showing the pending app). But I ended up getting my approval before I left, so it was a moot point. In any case, I do think that you can leave the country. I also find immigration to be very relaxed, so not sure it matters too much to them.

    So in your experience, you applied and were approved within 2 months? Is this the normal waiting time? When I called the hotline, the man on the phone told me it would take about 6 months, and we would need to have a lease, health insurance, and all that settled before we applied.


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  • #181
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    yami1686 wrote: »
    So in your experience, you applied and were approved within 2 months? Is this the normal waiting time? When I called the hotline, the man on the phone told me it would take about 6 months, and we would need to have a lease, health insurance, and all that settled before we applied.

    I was also told 6 months. I did some searching around when I applied and the time seemed to vary from 2-6 months. I think it is very case-by-case and also dependent on how many applications they have in. Presumably summer holidays might also have an effect?

    I think previously in this thread I listed all the things I included, which include the things you were told about. Keep in mind this is permission to remain on the basis of a durably attested long-term commitment. It isn't the same as a student or work visa.. So yes, definitely have everything in order that would indicate this commitment before you apply.


  • #182
    yami1686
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭yami1686


    perfectblue wrote: »
    I was also told 6 months. I did some searching around when I applied and the time seemed to vary from 2-6 months. I think it is very case-by-case and also dependent on how many applications they have in. Presumably summer holidays might also have an effect?

    I think previously in this thread I listed all the things I included, which include the things you were told about. Keep in mind this is permission to remain on the basis of a durably attested long-term commitment. It isn't the same as a student or work visa.. So yes, definitely have everything in order that would indicate this commitment before you apply.

    The problem of course, is not the commitment but the fact that one of use (me) would not be able to work for a possible 6 months! It is quite an endeavour to move countries and 6+ months without being able to work is quite difficult. In Belgium I was able to continue working while the process was ongoing because I had my own permit from before.

    We have all the documentation we need (as we already went through this process): pictures, emails, trips together, joint bank account, etc.

    Here's hoping for the best!


  • #183
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    good luck!


  • #184
    davepatr07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭davepatr07


    Hi,


    I just want to query this and see if someone out there knows or can point me in the right direction. Sorry if this has come up before earlier on the thread but I think it might be a different situation. I'm (Irish) currently in NZ and engaged to my Filipino partner who is a nurse here. We are looking at some stage to return to Ireland, how does that effect her and would she be able to enter Ireland as a resident or would she have to go on a visitor visa and apply in Ireland for residency? Thought I would ask around.

    Cheers


    Dave


  • #185
    adublinguy
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭adublinguy


    rian_dublin wrote: »
    Hi,

    My girlfriend (Brazil) and I (Irish) are planning on applying for the De Facto visa. We are together 2 years and are confident we can put a good case of evidences together. Our main concerns relate to the fact that she is a) not currently in the country (although she has spent 6 years in total in Ireland on student visas) and b) we both had planned on volunteering abroad towards the end of the year (for up to a year). So the main questions we have that I would be very grateful if someone could answer are:

    1) Can we apply if my girlfriend is out of the country? I assume GNIB would know this based on the fact there is no current/valid visa in her passport pages? Is this the type of thing they check for?

    2) If an application is approved, how long do we have to bring the approval letter to a Garda Station to receive the Stamp 4? i.e. if we receive the approval letter in September and we are out of the country, can we wait until we are back in Ireland in December to get the stamp?

    Thanks in advance for any help

    I'm just replying to the second question here. You have a limited time allowance to actually go to the INIS and get the new gnib card..it tells you when you get the letter stating the application has been successful. I can't remember off hand how long it is but it's definitely not as long as you would need upto December if you are accepted in sept

    Our application (OH is Brazilian) also took 6 months exactly.

    I would also explicitly make a point in your application that you are planning to travel together for a long period.. As they really are picky in regards to the applicant being outside the country for so long.. As it states when you get the granting letter that she should remain in the state but can travel for longer periods for family emergencies etc... I'm not sure how strict they are in enforcing this though, but definitely something to bare in mind.


  • #186
    adublinguy
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭adublinguy


    ggn wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the fee (300 euro) for GNIB is applied for facto relationship as well?

    Yes it is.if you are granted any new stamp (4 or 3) you also need a new gnib card which will cost 300. Technically the application is free but the new card isn't!


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  • #187
    JFK20
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭JFK20


    I am a US citizen (non-EU citizen) and have applied, via the EU1 application to INIS for recognition of my Defacto relationship with an EU citizen in Ireland. They have confirmed receipt of my application and say that it will be dealt with in the next few weeks.
    I arrived on a 90 day visitor approval. I intend to stay and work. The instructions state that permission to remain may be granted while they process my application. My focus now is being eligible to work. If/when my application is approved, I understand that I will not need a work permit.
    My question is about, in the interim. If they are satisfied that sufficient documentation has been provided, then they will provide me with an 'immigration stamp', good to remain for a period of time sufficient for them to complete the processing of my application, but WHAT STAMP? Will I be eligible, in the interim, to work and given that the recognition of my Defatco partner status is pending, would I be eligible to work with a permit?
    I posed the question to them today, I was referred to the instructions for the EU1 form, which does not answer the question of WHAT STAMP and if I will be eligible to work.
    The answer should be much simpler than it seems to be however I find myself posting this, to the general public.
    Anyone know?


  • #188
    ay.Jul
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭ay.Jul


    hey there, when did u apply for this? a mean what day did u send ur application? how long it take until you get an answer??

    I'm planning to apply as well at the end of September and I'm very nervous about it as my visa is good until November.

    Thank you


  • #189
    Morpork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Morpork


    Once your application is processing you can legally stay in Ireland until you get a reply. I'm not sure how quickly you have to leave if it's rejected, however.

    My girlfriend and I applied for the visa about a month and a half before her working holiday visa expired. It took 2-3 months to get the defacto visa with stamp 4.


  • #190
    ay.Jul
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭ay.Jul


    Hey Morpork, what did u do when ur girlfriend visa expired? did they give u another one?or how did they decide to do it so she can stay in Ireland?


  • #191
    perfectblue
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭perfectblue


    JFK20 wrote: »
    I am a US citizen (non-EU citizen) and have applied, via the EU1 application to INIS for recognition of my Defacto relationship with an EU citizen in Ireland. They have confirmed receipt of my application and say that it will be dealt with in the next few weeks.
    I arrived on a 90 day visitor approval. I intend to stay and work. The instructions state that permission to remain may be granted while they process my application. My focus now is being eligible to work. If/when my application is approved, I understand that I will not need a work permit.
    My question is about, in the interim. If they are satisfied that sufficient documentation has been provided, then they will provide me with an 'immigration stamp', good to remain for a period of time sufficient for them to complete the processing of my application, but WHAT STAMP? Will I be eligible, in the interim, to work and given that the recognition of my Defatco partner status is pending, would I be eligible to work with a permit?
    I posed the question to them today, I was referred to the instructions for the EU1 form, which does not answer the question of WHAT STAMP and if I will be eligible to work.
    The answer should be much simpler than it seems to be however I find myself posting this, to the general public.
    Anyone know?


    I'm not sure what the EU1 application is, but I don't think your interim stamp will be one that gives eligibility to work, since that is usually stamp 4 and lasts a year. possibly you'll receive an extension on your 90 days (when that expires).


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  • #192
    rgt320q
    Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭rgt320q


    Hi, my fianceé and I submitted our De Facto application last week, though we've still had no word as to it's receipt by the office there. In any case, she just finished her master's degree for which her results are due this week and she has had her visa extended to this Friday (20th) to cover this (after 7 years on a stamp 2), and should be getting another extension for her graduation ceremony in mid-November. I'm just concerned with the release of her results and the expiration of her visa being so close together that the processing time for the next extension may run over the 20th deadline and may reflect badly on our De Facto application - would anyone here have an insight as to whether this would be the case? Also, were any others here given confirmation that their application had been received? how soon after submitting?

    Cheers!


  • #193
    alianoelle
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭alianoelle


    rgt320q wrote: »
    Also, were any others here given confirmation that their application had been received? how soon after submitting?

    Our de facto application was mailed on Aug 22 by registered post, and received by INIS on Aug 26. We have still not received any confirmation of receipt from them, but I spoke to the front desk at Burgh Quay, and he said that there is a massive backlog at the moment and that it is taking 4-6 weeks for them to even open the applications. Everyone was extremely nice at Burgh Quay, but they all were pretty clear that it is an extremely long process with no precise timelines available.

    If/when I get our confirmation of receipt, I'll update this post.


  • #194
    Soyabean
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Soyabean


    Hey I was just wondering if anyone knows if my boyfriend and I qualify for De Facto status?
    He is a US citizen and I am Irish. We met 3 and a half years ago in the US where I was a student. We were together for 6 months (not living together) and then I had to return home to Ireland. We maintained a long distance relationship for almost 2 years- with several trips made back and forth. We have both met each others friends and family members and have lots of photos to prove it.
    In March 2013 I moved back to the US to be with him. We are living together in his parents house, so we do not have a lease or utility bill, but we do have other documents like bank statements that show the same address. My visa expires in a month and I will have to move back again. We want to see if he can move to Ireland instead.
    I'm just wondering if our 3.5 year relationship will qualify, even though we have only lived together for 8 months in the US and he has only ever visited Ireland, never lived there.
    Any insight would be great!


  • #195
    h57xiucj2z946q
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭h57xiucj2z946q


    Soyabean wrote: »
    Hey I was just wondering if anyone knows if my boyfriend and I qualify for De Facto status?
    He is a US citizen and I am Irish. We met 3 and a half years ago in the US where I was a student. We were together for 6 months (not living together) and then I had to return home to Ireland. We maintained a long distance relationship for almost 2 years- with several trips made back and forth. We have both met each others friends and family members and have lots of photos to prove it.
    In March 2013 I moved back to the US to be with him. We are living together in his parents house, so we do not have a lease or utility bill, but we do have other documents like bank statements that show the same address. My visa expires in a month and I will have to move back again. We want to see if he can move to Ireland instead.
    I'm just wondering if our 3.5 year relationship will qualify, even though we have only lived together for 8 months in the US and he has only ever visited Ireland, never lived there.
    Any insight would be great!


    Yes, you should be ok. Read my previous posts in this thread for more info.


  • #196
    Riat
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Riat


    hi,

    Thanks to all here who helped me submit my De facto application,I submitted today finger crossed for to be approved ,financial evidence and all other things are strong but worried about one year and three months as today I read it should be 2 years atleast ,let see.

    If approved what is procedure done at garda registration any ideas as I am bit concern about this paragraph they mentioned on web site

    " If the application is successful the Applicant will receive a permission letter form INIS. Then the Applicant AND the Sponsor will be required to attend at their local Registration Office to register the Applicant as resident in the State on the basis of being the partner of an Irish National or an Irish Resident. Details in respect of registration and renewal of registration will be provided in correspondence issued by the De Facto Section".

    this mean sponsor who is not Ireland citizen need to Irish citizen or it is just related going their and getting stamp they are giving me ,if anybody have any idea what going on that day please let me know as my partner bit worried as he loose his right in his country .

    Thanks


  • #197
    alianoelle
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭alianoelle


    FYI, followers of this thread might be interested in my post in one of the other relevant forums noting that the INIS website content on de facto permits has recently been updated.


  • #198
    Riat
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Riat


    I want to know,how long it takes for confirmation letter to come from De facto application,I am worried as my stay here is expired I was thinking I will receive next day or after three days ,do they send confirmation letter or directly decision on it,I don't have any proofs to go to Garda office to tell them I am waiting for this visa and it is in process,I have receipt from post office but address is not mentioned ,how garda people believe me I am waiting for application,if it is taking time I dont know what I have to do next,hope to hear from you ,it been 6 working days by now,do anybody hear on this soon or after how many days ,thank you.


  • #199
    alianoelle
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭alianoelle


    Riat, we have been waiting for almost 6 weeks and have not yet had any confirmation. Burgh Quay told me that unfortunately there is a large backlog at the moment and that it was taking 4-6 weeks for mail to the de facto department to be opened...so you may be waiting a while longer I'm afraid. I'll update this if I get any news.


  • #200
    Riat
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Riat


    Thanks Alainoelle,I know you were waiting for this ,I will also let you know if any information on this,did u call them this week ,my worries is till one month I can wait but after that will be problem for me to stay here I guess ,hoping post office people help me as I send an application to following address.


  • #201
    Bb2013
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bb2013


    Sent my application on the 20th of May and got the approval on the 30th of September, whew!


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