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Knuckle - RTE Sunday

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  • #252
    boardie2011
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭boardie2011


    Dohnny Jepp wrote: »
    You wouldn't if you knew why he was shot


    Dohnny Jepp,why was he shot?


  • #253
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    I really don't get the outrage about the 120k.
    Don't get me wrong, to me sitting at home with a mortage, bills and a family to feed it's a huge sum of money, but these families are huge so individual contributions from members will be relatively small, plus I doubt it if the winner is keeping every penny of it himself once he gets back home.

    There are far more aspects about travelers , and society in general that anger me far more that two families abilities to raise 120k.


    suppose if 10 people draw down 4 social welfare payments each at different locations under different names then 120k would be easy to accumulate.
    get real man...:mad:


  • #254
    POKERKING
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    1 thing i learned is that i wouldn't get in a "Boxing ring" with a traveller for any amount of money!


  • #255
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Where are the big brave members of the Revenue and Social Welfare?

    Very easy to go after out of work tradesmen or single mothers rather than tackling these animals:mad:


  • #256
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,393 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    washman3 wrote: »
    suppose if 10 people draw down 4 social welfare payments each at different locations under different names then 120k would be easy to accumulate.
    get real man...:mad:


    Your dealing with huge families here, all with an interest in the fight, the 120k is going to come from lots of different sources within the families.

    As I said in the grand scheme of things in society, the fact the two huge traveller families have 120k to spend on a fight is not a huge deal IMO.

    I've seen as much change hands for road bowling competitions on the back-roads of Mayo and not a traveller to be seen.


  • #257
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Great doc, enjoyed it


  • #258
    suzie987
    Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭suzie987


    This morning on 2fm Ryan Tubridy said "There was a sub-plot to that [James McDonagh] interview on Friday but I don't know if I can get into too much detail about that but maybe another time I'll explain it. It was a po-show (sp?) situation, but I'll tell you another time"

    Bit strange . . .?


  • #259
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    The guy that was talking for the Nevins with the hat was class,straight out of snatch.Think their young boxer may have had a point there that "jimmy is to sweet".Would like to know why he was really shot,he said on the Late Late that it was nothing to do with the feuds.
    By the way;Thresa,I would.


  • #260
    brian_t
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭brian_t


    tipptom wrote: »
    By the way;Thresa,I would.

    Wife of the undefeated James Quinn McDonagh. I don't think you would :D


  • #261
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭obi604


    So if there was a bare knuckle fight out in a wood or a car park or whatever

    And the competitors were

    James Quinn McDonagh V David Haye

    And James Quinn McDonagh in his PRIME

    Who would win
    It may be a stupid question and David Haye is probably a bit extreme but just putting it out there

    I know Haye is a professional and all but could he take a punch as well with bare knuckle and no gloves. Like James is well used to taking hits


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  • #262
    pakalasa
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  • #263
    MungBean
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    suzie987 wrote: »
    This morning on 2fm Ryan Tubridy said "There was a sub-plot to that [James McDonagh] interview on Friday but I don't know if I can get into too much detail about that but maybe another time I'll explain it. It was a po-show (sp?) situation, but I'll tell you another time"

    Bit strange . . .?

    I think the shooting in which that girl died recently is linked to the feud between some of the families in the documentary. Rumour is that it wasnt just aired for entertainment value.


  • #264
    supersean1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭supersean1999


    obi604 wrote: »
    So if there was a bare knuckle fight out in a wood or a car park or whatever

    And the competitors were

    James Quinn McDonagh V David Haye

    And James Quinn McDonagh in his PRIME

    Who would win
    It may be a stupid question and David Haye is probably a bit extreme but just putting it out there

    I know Haye is a professional and all but could he take a punch as well with bare knuckle and no gloves. Like James is well used to taking hits
    haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha :D david haye would break ya mans jaw within prob ten seconds, without being hit ,


  • #265
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭obi604


    supersean1999 wrote: »
    obi604 wrote: »
    So if there was a bare knuckle fight out in a wood or a car park or whatever

    And the competitors were

    James Quinn McDonagh V David Haye

    And James Quinn McDonagh in his PRIME

    Who would win
    It may be a stupid question and David Haye is probably a bit extreme but just putting it out there

    I know Haye is a professional and all but could he take a punch as well with bare knuckle and no gloves. Like James is well used to taking hits
    haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha :D david haye would break ya mans jaw within prob ten seconds, without being hit ,


    Ok, so that's one opinion

    Anymore ?


  • #266
    Boxfresh
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  • #267
    supersean1999
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    obi604 wrote: »
    Ok, so that's one opinion

    Anymore ?

    you said it maybe a stupid question. it is, end of,


  • #268
    supersean1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭supersean1999


    Boxfresh wrote: »
    408787_314901308557403_181169015263967_821278_1566456283_n.jpg
    i just woke the missus laughing , class :D


  • #269
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭obi604


    supersean1999 wrote: »
    obi604 wrote: »
    Ok, so that's one opinion

    Anymore ?

    you said it maybe a stupid question. it is, end of,

    Somebody got out the wrong side of bed


  • #270
    ArmaniJeanss
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    A professional boxer ranked in the top 10 at his weight division like Haye would crush him even under 'traveller' rules imo.

    10 years+ of dedicated training, proper sporting diet, correct gym work, training from retired pros etc.

    No comparision.


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  • #271
    Ricardo G
    Registered Users Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Ricardo G


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    A professional boxer ranked in the top 10 at his weight division like Haye would crush him even under 'traveller' rules imo.

    10 years+ of dedicated training, proper sporting diet, correct gym work, training from retired pros etc.

    No comparision.

    All that training would be of no use if David Haye if his toe is'nt up to scratch:D


  • #272
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    obi604 wrote: »
    So if there was a bare knuckle fight out in a wood or a car park or whatever

    And the competitors were

    James Quinn McDonagh V David Hay
    Who would win
    It may be a stupid question and David Haye is probably a bit extreme but just putting it out there

    I know Haye is a professional and all but could he take a punch as well with bare knuckle and no gloves. Like James is well used to taking hits

    no great admirer of Haye and think his professional boxing ability is poor but he would take any of these guys out in seconds. in fact he would probably take out a dozen of them,1 at a time in a sparring session.
    thats the difference in levels here.
    these guys fight bare knuckle for a reason, absolutely useless at anything else. doubt if they could even keep hands upright for a full 3 mins wearing professional heavyweight gloves.


  • #273
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    It's the criminality and bleeding the country dry of social welfare that I have a problem with.
    Always wondered about comments like that. According to the 2006 consensus there are 22,369 travellers living in Ireland. Even if they were all on benefit, there are plenty more of the settled community bleeding the state dry of benefits.

    That said, Travellers really don't do themselves any favours.


  • #274
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Always wondered about comments like that. According to the 2006 consensus there are 22,369 travellers living in Ireland. Even if they were all on benefit, there are plenty more of the settled community bleeding the state dry of benefits.

    Last figure I saw was that 60-70% of Traveller men were on social welfare.. but if you can find a more up to date figure, I'm willing to accept it..

    With regard to the injuries, it's a bit rich to keep all that money from the fight and then bring their broken fighters to the A&E and expect the State to pick up the tab..


  • #275
    frser32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭frser32


    anyone else notice Paddy Doherty at the end?:D!


  • #276
    psychward
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    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Even if they were all on benefit, there are plenty more of the settled community bleeding the state dry of benefits.

    Benefits are supposed to be for people who are either looking for work, unable for work due to health reasons or educating themselves. That fundamental rule should apply to everyone regardless of their identity. The existence of even one unemployed non-Traveller has absolutely nothing to do with changing that fundamental principle and that principle and especially it's enforcement should apply to all sections of society equally.


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  • #277
    psychward
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    obi604 wrote: »

    I know Haye is a professional and all but could he take a punch as well with bare knuckle and no gloves. Like James is well used to taking hits

    Gloves have enabled boxers to punch even harder than before and for longer. The question for me is what condition are hands in which continuously fight bare knuckle. Do those hands see as much action or are there more ''quiet moments'' during a bare knuckle fight ?


  • #278
    [Deleted User]
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    psychward wrote: »
    Gloves have enabled boxers to punch even harder than before and for longer. The question for me is what condition are hands in which continuously fight bare knuckle. Do those hands see as much action or are there more ''quiet moments'' during a bare knuckle fight ?

    I think the medical term for it would be "fúcked".


  • #279
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    frser32 wrote: »
    anyone else notice Paddy Doherty at the end?:D!
    You mean Paddy"i just ate a few of my sons guts of the mortuary table to always have some of him inside me"Doherty,yep that was him,another undefeated "king of the travellers".Haye in about 2 minutes.


  • #280
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I saw this a while back and enjoyed it, Joe Joyce is hilarious, he's like a real life WWE character, its funny him talking about men not knowing how to fight when himself is just swinging big haymakers, a trained boxer would wade through any of them not a bother, these are guys who are having street brawls not boxing matches.


  • #281
    ziedth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    I reckon Haye(or even a top 10 fighter) would destroy any of them.

    Just because a heavyweight uses gloves doesn't mean they are made of glass. They would be able to literally dance around any traveler and just pick them off till an opening appeared and he'd unload on him.


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  • #282
    jcf
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭jcf


    Sorry guys I haven't gone through the whole thread, is this on RTE player ?


    thanks


  • #283
    brian_t
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭brian_t


    jcf wrote: »
    Sorry guys I haven't gone through the whole thread, is this on RTE player ?


    thanks

    Link on page 17. #245


  • #284
    BaZmO*
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Last figure I saw was that 60-70% of Traveller men were on social welfare.. but if you can find a more up to date figure, I'm willing to accept it..

    Tbh, I'd say the figure is probably higher, but the point that I was making was that even if half the population of travellers (11K) was claiming the dole it's hardly the sole reason why the welfare system is in tatters. There are many many more settled people that have been bumming it on the dole for most of their lives.

    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    With regard to the injuries, it's a bit rich to keep all that money from the fight and then bring their broken fighters to the A&E and expect the State to pick up the tab..
    I agree with you 100%
    The biggest problem is their obvious tax avoidance, which is something that could easily proven.

    psychward wrote: »
    Benefits are supposed to be for people who are either looking for work, unable for work due to health reasons or educating themselves. That fundamental rule should apply to everyone regardless of their identity. The existence of even one unemployed non-Traveller has absolutely nothing to do with changing that fundamental principle and that principle and especially it's enforcement should apply to all sections of society equally.
    I agree, but you can't blame the travellers alone for bringing the system down.


  • #285
    artful_codger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd say the figure is probably higher, but the point that I was making was that even if half the population of travellers (11K) was claiming the dole it's hardly the sole reason why the welfare system is in tatters.

    you're assuming each traveller only claims dole once, but it emerged last year that there's over 7 million PPS numbers in circulation. Also, travellers have a lot of sprogs, which means a lot of extra benefits per sprog. Throw into the pot the amount of money it costs to clean up after travellers, erect barriers to keep them out of places, court battles to evict them, or build sites exclusively for them then it's serious money - and it all comes from tax payers. According to wikipedia Pavee Point is also funded by us to the tune of over 1.5 million.


  • #286
    BaZmO*
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    artful_codger wrote: »
    you're assuming each traveller only claims dole once, but it emerged last year that there's over 7 million PPS numbers in circulation.
    Is it possible to claim more than once? I've heard anecdotal stories but has it ever been proven to be widespread?

    artful_codger wrote: »
    Also, travellers have a lot of sprogs, which means a lot of extra benefits per sprog. Throw into the pot the amount of money it costs to clean up after travellers, erect barriers to keep them out of places, court battles to evict them, or build sites exclusively for them then it's serious money - and it all comes from tax payers. According to wikipedia Pavee Point is also funded by us to the tune of over 1.5 million.
    You could lay a lot of those accusations to a lot of settled people too.


  • #287
    chordtype
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    Travellers. I knew it was them. Even when it was the Immigants.


  • #288
    artful_codger
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    BaZmO* wrote: »
    You could lay a lot of those accusations to a lot of settled people too.

    yep ! they're all as bad as each other really.


  • #289
    Boxfresh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Boxfresh


    Check this out for a giggle...


  • #290
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Why was Quinn shot?


  • #291
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭obi604


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Why was Quinn shot?

    That's what I want to know too !


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  • #292
    brian_t
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭brian_t


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Why was Quinn shot?

    When he was interviewed he refused to say except that it was not connected with the feuds. I doubt if the man that shot him is going to come forth with an explanation or confession.


  • #293
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    brian_t wrote: »
    When he was interviewed he refused to say except that it was not connected with the feuds. I doubt if the man that shot him is going to come forth with an explanation or confession.
    Someone made a dark hint a few ages back at the reason why


  • #294
    roadstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭roadstone


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Someone made a dark hint a few ages back at the reason why
    it was not one thing to do with fighing he was doing other things he should not be doing that is why he was shot


  • #295
    roadstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭roadstone


    MungBean wrote: »
    I think the shooting in which that girl died recently is linked to the feud between some of the families in the documentary. Rumour is that it wasnt just aired for entertainment value.
    not one thing got to do with it


  • #296
    [Deleted User]
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    Watched it during the week and found it rather mediocre. Considering that it was shot over 12 years I expected so much more, there was some interesting footage and characters but it really went nowhere. The voice over was particularly poor, it felt like a desperate attempt by the director to add some gravitas to proceedings but came across poorly.


  • #297
    Gotya
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Gotya


    ahhhhh i'm mad to know why he was shot now and its because of this post-
    19-02-2012, 20:18 #5
    Dohnny Jepp
    Registered User

    "You wouldn't if you knew why he was shot"


    Dohnny Jepp, do tell........


  • #298
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Dipping his hands in petrol for 20mins everyday, and he's a smoker too, doesnt add up. You can tell hes just trying to sound badass when he says it.
    The videos are cringeworthy, how that man became a leader is a mystery.
    Also petrol would destroy your skin, you'd prob be able to see your knuckles when the skin cracks off eventually


  • #299
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Watched it last week, decent show...bunch of thick ignorant F**ers really, seriously...


  • #300
    Park Royal
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    If thats their standard of boxing or bare knuckle boxing, may I humbly

    suggest they take up a different "speciality" as the examples shown were

    very unimpressive....... to be honest they were sad examples if thats

    what their proud of.......but then again each to their own......


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  • #301
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Park Royal wrote: »
    If thats their standard of boxing or bare knuckle boxing, may I humbly

    suggest they take up a different "speciality" as the examples shown were

    very unimpressive....... to be honest they were sad examples if thats

    what their proud of.......but then again each to their own......
    Proud of being thick by the looks of it


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