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  • #52
    evolutionqy7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭evolutionqy7


    iwo wrote: »
    Three gives unlimited internet on contract and unlimited Internet on prepay when you top up 20euro... There are already thousands of people using phones as a "broadband" by downloading stuff and using phone for thetering...I'm on net nonstop and download plenty of stuff via youtube and other websites, and netflix will be another one to use.

    Hence the reason why i switched away from Three. Got pretty sick of 50-100 kbps speeds. Theres way too many people using their network for things that midband isnt meant for and their network cant support it.


  • #53
    eeloe
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,759 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Yes, this is the very reason why it should be blocked on all mobile networks. It's not what they were designed for which is browsing and email on the move, not a fixed broadband substitute. Just one user in an area will make the network crawl for everyone as with mobile broadband there is no control over speed, contention or roaming. The only control they have is the monthly limit. The speeds quoted on mobile are what the sector is capable of (with a single user, in a lab). Even the fixed providers will have problems with the likes of this, only UPC, Cablesurf and a very few others in this country are actually ready for it.

    I'm happy to say I'm a cable surf customer!

    157.5 Mbps download speed!


  • #54
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    long_b wrote: »
    Pog, do you want to let the networks worry about this themselves ?

    No, I use my phone for important stuff on the go, work emails, Google documents and other important stuff. I'd like to see the networks block it so the service I'm getting remains usable. I know the limits of a mobile network, it's not designed for this or even Youtube for that matter. There is no making the mobile networks better, increasing backhaul doesn't fix it, to do this they need to use more wireless spectrum which isn't available. It only slows things down for everyone


  • #55
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    eeloe wrote: »
    I'm happy to say I'm a cable surf customer!

    157.5 Mbps download speed!

    notbadobama.png


  • #56
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    It costs 7 quid, How much is an Xtravision rental? I have to say I did expect at least 15 but 7 is a nice price. The content will improve, it's early days, there are few UK TV networks onboard yet

    I'm not comparing it to Xtravision - I'm comparing the price and content you'd get on the US plan verse the EU plan.

    It's the internet. Your physical location doesn't matter. They can't even (accurately) determine your physical location.

    I'd rather pay 7.99 USD than 6.99 EUR - and that's assuming all of the content is identical.


  • #57
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭long_b


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    No, I use my phone for important stuff on the go, work emails, Google documents and other important stuff. I'd like to see the networks block it so the service I'm getting remains usable. I know the limits of a mobile network, it's not designed for this or even Youtube for that matter. There is no making the mobile networks better, increasing backhaul doesn't fix it, to do this they need to use more wireless spectrum which isn't available. It only slows things down for everyone

    But they're already flogging USB dongles by the new time which are (marketed anyway) as high speed Internet access.

    They sell 10 and 15 GB data add ons to regular mobile customers -
    they know the score.

    I get your point but I'd be of the opinion "If you can't provide it don't sell it"


  • #58
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    long_b wrote: »
    But they're already flogging USB dongles by the new time which are (marketed anyway) as high speed Internet access.

    They sell 10 and 15 GB data add ons to regular mobile customers -
    they know the score.

    I get your point but I'd be of the opinion "If you can't provide it don't sell it"

    Which is exactly why I'll never be a 3 customer. They have a long history of overselling their products to non-usable levels. I've been here on Boards a long while, I've seen all the "three megathreads" (before they got their own forum) that reached thousands of complaints in a few weeks.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53520272
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=54760572
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1367


  • #59
    fenris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭fenris


    iwo wrote: »
    Three gives unlimited internet on contract and unlimited Internet on prepay when you top up 20euro... There are already thousands of people using phones as a "broadband" by downloading stuff and using phone for thetering...I'm on net nonstop and download plenty of stuff via youtube and other websites, and netflix will be another one to use.

    Three seem to have blocked Netflix


  • #60
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    iwo wrote: »
    Three gives unlimited internet on contract and unlimited Internet on prepay when you top up 20euro... There are already thousands of people using phones as a "broadband" by downloading stuff and using phone for thetering...I'm on net nonstop and download plenty of stuff via youtube and other websites, and netflix will be another one to use.

    Ok, we'll see how long the 3 network is usable. Mobile internet will never be broadband, it's a pity people in this country rely on it. Blame consecutive Governments for not having a clue or giving a shít, this one is no better.

    I'm not saying it is good service for all... I have fair coverage. Also, I do think this is a future - wireless broadband... Not a current infrastructure tho. Everything goes wireless now.
    I do have a eircom at home and three on the phone, why not to use it?


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  • #61
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    fenris wrote: »
    iwo wrote: »
    Three gives unlimited internet on contract and unlimited Internet on prepay when you top up 20euro... There are already thousands of people using phones as a "broadband" by downloading stuff and using phone for thetering...I'm on net nonstop and download plenty of stuff via youtube and other websites, and netflix will be another one to use.

    Three seem to have blocked Netflix
    Yeah... I noticed it now... :-(


  • #62
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    iwo wrote: »
    I'm not saying it is good service for all... I have fair coverage. Also, I do think this is a future - wireless broadband... Not a current infrastructure tho. Everything goes wireless now.
    I do have a eircom at home and three on the phone, why not to use it?

    Thats where you're wrong, it's not wireless broadband, it's mobile internet (midband). Ireland is the only country in Europe where it is classed as and allowed be sold as broadband and it used by politicians to beef up the statistics and make us look better, when really this country is years behind in broadband terms.

    Ever use a smartphone in the UK, it's miles faster, because people don't use it as a fixed broadband substitute


  • #63
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    iwo wrote: »
    I'm not saying it is good service for all... I have fair coverage. Also, I do think this is a future - wireless broadband... Not a current infrastructure tho. Everything goes wireless now.
    I do have a eircom at home and three on the phone, why not to use it?

    Thats where you're wrong, it's not wireless broadband, it's mobile internet (midband). Ireland is the only country in Europe where it is classed as and allowed be sold as broadband and it used by politicians to beef up the statistics and make us look better, when really this country is years behind in broadband terms.

    Ever use a smartphone in the UK, it's miles faster, because people don't use it as a fixed broadband substitute
    Did you read and understand my post? I said, in the future and not with current infrastructure...

    Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G


  • #64
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    iwo wrote: »
    Did you read and understand my post? I said, in the future and not with current infrastructure...

    I read and understood your post, but you're wrong once again, mobile will never be broadband. Even being optimistic, the max that future LTE can ever provide is on a par with current DSL (which isn't ready for Netflix). Then the only way they have of controlling it is through caps and restrictions.
    http://stopthecap.com/2011/04/04/why-verizons-lte4g-network-will-never-replace-cabledsl-broadband-usage-caps/


  • #65
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    iwo wrote: »
    Did you read and understand my post? I said, in the future and not with current infrastructure...

    I read and understood your post, but you're wrong once again, mobile will never be broadband. Even being optimistic, the max that future LTE can ever provide is on a par with current DSL (which isn't ready for Netflix). Then the only way they have of controlling it is through caps and restrictions.
    http://stopthecap.com/2011/04/04/why-verizons-lte4g-network-will-never-replace-cabledsl-broadband-usage-caps/

    Did you hear mobile broadband term!?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

    Check, the spec for both wireless and cable. Current wimax or 4G are more than enough to be called broadband. Unless you come back to us with your way of understanding, broadband term.


  • #66
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    iwo wrote: »
    Did you hear mobile broadband term!?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

    Check, the spec for both wireless and cable. Current wimax or 4G are more than enough to be called broadband. Unless you come back to us with your way of understanding, broadband term.

    Well since you're quoting wiki as trusted source I suggest you read this, especially the bit
    In the United Kingdom, a steering group known as Digital Britain was set up, with the aim of promoting digital telecommunications in October 2008. The conclusion of the steering group was a recommendation that the government took up, namely to have 100% broadband coverage, with a minimum speed of 2Mbps in the United Kingdom by the year 2012. Mobile "broadband" using 3G is not now expected to be able to ensure 2Mbit/s broadband coverage to the more remote areas of the UK as coverage is too poor and contention too high.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_broadband

    The Irish equivalent to Digital Britain is IrelandOffline, they have a forum here on boards. You should read some of the threads and articles and not believe the marketing hype that is "mobile broadband"
    http://irelandoffline.org/2009/08/is-mobile-midband-in-ireland-destroying-broadband-infrastructure/
    http://irelandoffline.org/2011/12/ireland%E2%80%99s-broadband-performance-slumps/


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  • #67
    evolutionqy7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭evolutionqy7


    Robdude wrote: »
    I'm not comparing it to Xtravision - I'm comparing the price and content you'd get on the US plan verse the EU plan.

    It's the internet. Your physical location doesn't matter. They can't even (accurately) determine your physical location.

    I'd rather pay 7.99 USD than 6.99 EUR - and that's assuming all of the content is identical.

    Yes they can, for me atleast. Before it launched everytime i went on their website it says Netflix is not available in Ireland yet. Would you like us to send you an email when it is?

    I never got the email through lol


  • #68
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Well since you're quoting wiki as trusted source I suggest you read this, especially the bit


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_broadband

    The Irish equivalent to Digital Britain is IrelandOffline, they have a forum here on boards. You should read some of the threads and articles and not believe the marketing hype that is "mobile broadband"
    http://irelandoffline.org/2009/08/is-mobile-midband-in-ireland-destroying-broadband-infrastructure/
    http://irelandoffline.org/2011/12/ireland%E2%80%99s-broadband-performance-slumps/

    Discussion, with you is pointless... Sorry.. I talk about wimax and LTE stuff and you coming back to 3g and other old infrastructures.. I'm talking about about fast, future


  • #69
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    iwo wrote: »
    Discussion, with you is pointless... Sorry.. I talk about wimax and LTE stuff and you coming back to 3g and other old infrastructures.. I'm talking about about fast, future

    Don't believe the hype. Sorry, I live in the real world and have experience to say otherwise. I've been involved in Fixed Wimax rollouts for the last 4years. Fixed Wimax works, Mobile Wimax doesn't work, the speeds are highly optimistic and not achievable. Mobile LTE will be the same. If you want a system that's guaranteed to work, you need control, with mobile the only control they have is to stop you connecting (defeats the purpose of mobile and means it's not always on like broadband should be) or usage caps.

    Have a read of some of the links in Wattys posts which explain in great detail why LTE offers little more than 3G:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055966781&page=1


  • #70
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    iwo wrote: »
    Discussion, with you is pointless... Sorry.. I talk about wimax and LTE stuff and you coming back to 3g and other old infrastructures.. I'm talking about about fast, future

    Don't believe the hype. Sorry, I live in the real world and have experience to say otherwise. I've been involved in Fixed Wimax rollouts for the last 4years. Fixed Wimax works, Mobile Wimax doesn't work, the speeds are highly optimistic and not achievable. Mobile LTE will be the same. If you want a system that's guaranteed to work, you need control, with mobile the only control they have is to stop you connecting (defeats the purpose of mobile and means it's not always on like broadband should be) or usage caps.

    Have a read of some of the links in Wattys posts which explain in great detail why LTE offers little more than 3G:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055966781&page=1

    When you compare 2005 vs 2011 there is a huge gap between technology. Also, there is a big push for mobile devices to be quicker and quicker and internet speed will not stay behind. I'm very surprised that you tech'y guy don't believe that in next few years wireless will become a No 1 access point. After quick research I found that for example Verizons average speed is 6mb down and 5mb up.... What else would you need on mobile devise??? And this is very early mobile broadband stage! Jezus look back in memory when we were using phone modemw with few kb speed. That was only few years ago.


  • #71
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    iwo wrote: »
    When you compare 2005 vs 2011 there is a huge gap between technology. Also, there is a big push for mobile devices to be quicker and quicker and internet speed will not stay behind. I'm very surprised that you tech'y guy don't believe that in next few years wireless will become a No 1 access point. After quick research I found that for example Verizons average speed is 6mb down and 5mb up.... What else would you need on mobile devise??? And this is very early mobile broadband stage! Jezus look back in memory when we were using phone modemw with few kb speed. That was only few years ago.

    It's not as simple as that. There just isn't the spectrum to deliver broadband through wireless unless you use a fixed system, mobile just wastes the spectrum. Also, some of the spectrum available in the USA is tied up here and can't be used (NTL use it for MMDS TV, NTL are UPC, they won't give it up in a hurry). Eircom are also sitting on spectrum they're not using. And then you've the biggest problem, Comreg, they just auction it off in narrow bandwidth chunks to the highest bidder without any control of where it's used, you'll get 4 providers in one area in the city (reducing the bandwidth available to each provider), none in another area in the countryside.


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  • #72
    irishchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Can we please get back on track here guys. This is after all netflix thread. If you wish to argue over mobile broadband open up a thread in relevant section.
    As this is a thread on netflix I am surprised at negative comments in its infant stage. I have to say I find quality on HTC dhd brilliant and have not experienced any buffer issues. However on my Samsung galaxy tab it seems very pixelated!


  • #73
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    evolutionqy7 wrote: »
    Yes they can, for me atleast. Before it launched everytime i went on their website it says Netflix is not available in Ireland yet. Would you like us to send you an email when it is?

    I never got the email through lol

    They can approximate a location that is associated with a block of IP addresses. The thing is, the IP address they see doesn't need to be your computer at all. It's very trivial for anyone who wants to, to connect to another machine and have that machine make the request.

    It's, literally, three clicks of my mouse, and I have an IP address that is associated with the United States that Netflix will gladly welcome onto their site.


  • #74
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    Apologies for highjacking the thread.

    Going back to the subject, do you think that we will get more titles? You can't go wrong with 7 euro per month but still, I would be happy to see new stuff coming. Do they replace old ones with new ones or just add new on top of existing? I was hoping to see something like two and half man or how I met your mother series.


  • #75
    iwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    Robdude wrote: »
    They can approximate a location that is associated with a block of IP addresses. The thing is, the IP address they see doesn't need to be your computer at all. It's very trivial for anyone who wants to, to connect to another machine and have that machine make the request.

    It's, literally, three clicks of my mouse, and I have an IP address that is associated with the United States that Netflix will gladly welcome onto their site.

    I have a proxy soft tuning on a laptop but wasn't able to register in states...they don't accept eu paypal and credit card. I also tried with YouTube and google movies and I blocked my google and credit card accounts. The only thing which o got working is USA iTunes...I got it topped up with voucher.


  • #76
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    If enough people start using netflix will it not cause issues even with wired BB.


  • #77
    pedatron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭pedatron


    iwo wrote: »
    Apologies for highjacking the thread.

    Going back to the subject, do you think that we will get more titles? You can't go wrong with 7 euro per month but still, I would be happy to see new stuff coming. Do they replace old ones with new ones or just add new on top of existing? I was hoping to see something like two and half man or how I met your mother series.

    I feel the same. Think its great value and such but without the 4oD comedy stuff and US office there aren't that many comedy shows I want to watch. TV shows in general on it need to be refreshed. Two series of Dexter and Breaking Bad isn't good enough if they want me to stop pirating stuff tbh. They're gonna need to keep it as up to date as they can.


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