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ALIVE Newspaper - Your opinion of it?

  • 30-06-2012 10:54am
    #1
    saspeir
    Site Banned Posts: 109 ✭✭


    Hi there,

    Anybody else have this publication delivered to their door? I do and I find it utterly repulsive and offensive. It targets those of no belief or faith in the church.

    I have emailed and phoned them to ask them not to deliver it to my door. Is there any way I can have them stopped? I think it's important to be measured about it. I've considered it for a while and I don't think I'm being overly hot headed about it. The articles are truely repulsive, for e.g., The childrens' referendum is bad because it will give the State powers to take any child it wants at any time, RTé news reporters are targetted when they report church abuse, it's clearly anti-abortion and between the lines it's homophobic too.

    What's your opinion? Am I right to be angry about its delivery to my door? Is there anything that can be done about it?

    Thanks.


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  • #2
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    I remember Robin once described it as a "far-right rag." When challenged on it by a catholic who I think called it "a lovely little paper" or something, he admitted that he'd toned down his original post, where he called it a "neo-fascist rag."

    The latter term is, I think, pretty apt. But the dumbag mailbag, where they badly parody strawmen of the positions opposed to them, is always good for a laugh.


  • #3
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Between the lines it's homophobic? Last time I checked it was blatantly so.

    Here's a question, does anyone know anybody who actually reads it in a serious manner?


  • #4
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    First opinion.....STOP SHOVING THAT **** THROUGH MY LETTER BOX!


  • #5
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Great for using to dry out my wet runners after running in the rain, shíte for anything else.


  • #6
    MetalDog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭MetalDog


    It's awful tripe, I've had the displeasure of flicking through it out of curiousity/sheer boredom. It's like something that would come out of the American bible belt except its a warped Irish catholic version geared towards, who knows, people who were kicked out of Youth Defence for being too extreme?

    It is useful as boot stuffer and cat p1ss absorber.


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  • #7
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Well I have run an advert in it a few times , and the advert always paid for itself .

    It must have some readers .........


  • #8
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It's only good for wiping dirt off my shoes after a run through the woods.


  • #9
    saspeir
    Site Banned Posts: 109 ✭✭saspeir


    So any way I can get them to stop delivering it? I really don't want it delivered. They boast in the paper that they have x amount of papers delivered every month. I don't want any contact with them and I don't want to even have to pick up such a scumbag publication from my letterbox again...

    Glad to see there's some consensus of opinion on this one... I'm sure most moderate catholics would distance themselves from this s*ite...


  • #10
    Burt Lancaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭Burt Lancaster


    saspeir wrote: »
    So any way I can get them to stop delivering it? I really don't want it delivered.

    Alive newspaper don't actually know you. They give bundles to local volunteers who distribute them however they choose. It must be some local volunteer that is putting them though your letter box. If it bothers you so badly, best to speak to them next time they deliver it, or leave a notice for them on your door. I get loads of other junk through the door as well, from Jehovah Witnesses to pizza delivery, if it wasn't that it would be some other junk. It doesn't get me hysterical or stressed out, I just bin what I don't want to read.


  • #11
    Burt Lancaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭Burt Lancaster


    saspeir wrote: »
    Glad to see there's some consensus of opinion on this one... I'm sure most moderate catholics would distance themselves from this s*ite...

    Alot of the articles would be far from the mainstream or orthodox alright, I would say any Catholic should exercise a fair bit of caution when reading it.


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  • #12
    saspeir
    Site Banned Posts: 109 ✭✭saspeir


    Burt Lancaster wrote: »
    Alive newspaper don't actually know you. They give bundles to local volunteers who distribute them however they choose. It must be some local volunteer that is putting them though your letter box. If it bothers you so badly, best to speak to them next time they deliver it, or leave a notice for them on your door. I get loads of other junk through the door as well, from Jehovah Witnesses to pizza delivery, if it wasn't that it would be some other junk. It doesn't get me hysterical or stressed out, I just bin what I don't want to read.

    We have junk mail come through anyways. I don't mind that. This is targetted abuse. It's vile. It wouldn't bother me if it was a once off leaflet to say this is what the catholic church/mormons/jehovahs believe in but it's a running commentary from what has been and to a large extent still is a destructive organisation in this country.

    It's in a league of its own in my opinion...

    I actually got talking to one of the delivery people. He said he was employed to deliver it. Maybe next time I see him I'll enquire more to see if he is, in fact, a volunteer. He seemed angsty about the subject when I asked him about it. I'll ask him to stay away from my property in future.


  • #13
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Am I being discriminated against or do they not distribute it to homes in rural Laois? :confused:

    I'd say the existence of rags like that is, in a way, a positive sign in that they now recognise they have to make an effort to reach people to put forward their whacko views. In the past, the same people dutifully flocked to Mass on Sunday, every Sunday and swallowed all that guff without demur. :)

    My advice to the OP would be not to waste any time trying to contact them. There are plenty of uses for newsprint - from putting dirty shoes on to letting the cat piss in it. Or you might even try reading it from time to time if you ever feel yourself wavering in your conviction that religion is a lot of shite that is strictly for the birds. :D:D

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  • #14
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I'm glad they deliver to me. Better I get it than someone impressionable. I must ask for more copies. Bankrupt 'em!


  • #15
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Used it for food waste for the compost bin, it kinda just burst through. Useless rag.


  • #16
    Burt Lancaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭Burt Lancaster


    saspeir wrote: »
    This is targetted abuse. It's vile. .

    In that case I would report it to the authorities


  • #17
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    It has been ages since I got any nonsense religious crap in the letterbox. When I do get it, though, I think of the stupidity of the sender, and also that I'm happy its people like me getting this stuff. I'd rather people who will know its daft bollix than it getting to other people who might not take such a dim view to it. Kind of a better way to look at it for those of us who get it. Better us than some moron who might find merit in the stuff.


  • #18
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    The Jehovah's gave my friend across the street from me loads of literature. He told them i was a palaeontologist and that they should pay me a visit. they never did :(


  • #19
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Sorry if I'm breaking rules with this, but there doesn't appear to be any rules on neck-romance in this part of the woods.

    My mother brought a March 2013 copy home from mass yesterday (while I was on a driving lesson she went to Dooradoyle church) and almost immediately threw it away in disgust.

    I found it in a very dishevilled state in the bathroom, and read half an article, about Vicky Pryce and the abortion she was forced into (not the alive article) by her husband the Fib Dem Chris Huhne. Of course the fundies turned it from an article which should have been about women deciding for themselves what to do with their bodies, and not being under the control of men, to the shame of abortion and how she was going to hell for what someone made her do, and how they are going to ensure there is no compulsion over the abortion issue by forcing all women to not have abortions.

    Truly sickening.


  • #20
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    I remember Robin once described it as a "far-right rag." When challenged on it by a catholic who I think called it "a lovely little paper" or something, he admitted that he'd toned down his original post, where he called it a "neo-fascist rag."

    Is there a link to this post?


  • #21
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Oh, Alive. This is why we can't have nice things.


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  • #22
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Is there a link to this post?
    This one perhaps?


  • #23
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Have been meaning to catch the person delivering them and kindly requesting they stop delivering it to my house. They're like feckin' ninjas though.


  • #24
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Have been meaning to catch the person delivering them and kindly requesting they stop delivering it to my house. They're like feckin' ninjas though.
    Maybe the Gideons deliver them :)


  • #25
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    saspeir wrote: »
    Is there anything that can be done about it?

    Throw it in the bin?


  • #26
    Viper_JB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Viper_JB


    I despair for the world that an educated person capable of forming a coherent sentence would write this drivel of a rag of a paper.
    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Have been meaning to catch the person delivering them and kindly requesting they stop delivering it to my house. They're like feckin' ninjas though.

    In saying that my Aunt does deliveries of this paper, she has a few mental issues and her faith and getting involved in the church keeps her grounded, if you want to complain to someone about the deliveries goto your local priest he's probably responsible for distribution. The people pushing the papers in the door have no real say they're just told to put one in the door of every house in an estate. She's gotten abuse from a few people about it before and that's not really on at all....


  • #27
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    My opinion of it is that it'll be handy for making little pots to start seeds in. I only need one copy a year though, because I don't have a real fire to light, nor a budgie whose cage needs lining.

    I really must get one of those 'no junk mail, no free papers' signs for my door.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    talk to Joe - it's on liveline


  • #29
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    That's another issue in the fire. Main story; something about attack on faith schools.


  • #30
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I'm informed this came from Alive.

    BEcxLX-CUAAd4xq.jpg

    What the actual f*ck?


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  • #31
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    "Talk about bias!" - from the paper which refuses to list those missteps.

    Oh bollocks, I forgot - papal infallabilty. :rolleyes:


  • #32
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Are they talking about Avonmore milk? If so... what a non-sequiter. I am confused.

    ETA: Just did a bit of Googling. That actually is the phone number for Avonmore Milk. I am even more confused now.


  • #33
    Fattes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Fattes


    Great for cleaning the Windows! Love to see it it means it is time to clean the windows.


  • #34
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Another juicy article.
    article title wrote:
    Nazi Influence on Movie World

    I'm not going to quote the whole article, too much writing and they're a month behind on their webzone. But it talks about Michael Hanecke's latest film Amour, comparing it to a Nazi propoganda reel by the name of Ich Klage An.

    Now while there are strong similarities between both films, making out Haneke to be a secret Nazi is a bit low even for that scandal rag (never mind the irony of a paper which models itself on Der Sturmer being horrified at others for espousing a view similar to a one held by Nazis), and it concludes with the following:
    Taken together the two films illustrate how close today's liberal secularism is to brutal tyranny: for both, might is right, killing is compassion, and who are we to judge?

    Considering that that paragraph comes from a paper which is espousing the creation of a brutal and tyrannical theocracy, it becomes too clear how easily it can equate democracy with its polar opposite, tyranny, instead of the author putting his face up to a mirror and realising how close to Nazism he is.

    Oh, and one final note, the paper praises Beasts of the Southern Wild strongly, totally missing the point that it is a fantasy film, and deals with the results of global warming, something that Alive! is on record as having stated is a hoax. Maybe we should all write into the editor complaining about it.


  • #35
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Sarky wrote: »
    I'm informed this came from Alive.

    BEcxLX-CUAAd4xq.jpg

    What the actual f*ck?

    Yeah, that's right next to the Michael Haneke article I complained about.


  • #36
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I've never even seen a copy and here was the first place I heard of it's existence.

    Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

    *smiles smugly from within Atheist bubble*


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  • #37
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    My brother got some kind of job to distrubute them around last year, wasn't paid but think they got free rehearsal space or something. Never made it out of his room. Took great delight in binning a giant stack of them recently.


  • #38
    darjeeling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    kylith wrote: »
    Are they talking about Avonmore milk? If so... what a non-sequiter. I am confused.

    ETA: Just did a bit of Googling. That actually is the phone number for Avonmore Milk. I am even more confused now.

    I think the intention is that readers will phone Avonmore and say, "We, the outraged Catholic faithful of Ireland, will stop buying your milk unless you cease sponsoring news bulletins that report news we don't like."

    Edit:
    More likely, the people behind ALIVE know that no-one is actually going to bother doing this, but think that RTE will still somehow be so terrified at the prospect that they will be cowed into self-censorship.


  • #39
    car.kar
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭car.kar


    The first and only time I ever flicked through one of their publications out of curiosity, I was informed that it was a good thing that Marie Flemming - who is terminally ill and fully paralysed with MS - lost her request for assisted suicide, because it was wrong and a sin.

    I tossed it in the bin after that.


  • #40
    Flier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭Flier


    darjeeling wrote: »
    ....they will be cowed into self-censorship....

    very appropriate :D:D


  • #41
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    The day I boycott Avanmore will be the day someone makes a viable alternative to Supermilk.


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  • #42
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    A girl I used to work with writes the odd article for it so I've seen it a few times.
    Its hard to believe anyone takes it seriously.

    Some parts are good for a laugh. They used to have a column, kinda of a "single girl in the city" diary kinda thing which talks about the dangers of wearing skirts above the knee or having drinks after work with male coworkers. A lot of the stuff has an American spin so is obviously lifted from other sites, really extreme stuff about pre marital sex and contraception.

    I can't for the life of me get what the Avonmore reference is about though :confused:


  • #43
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I emailed Avonmore to let them know they're in there, in case they were wondering why elderly people were calling them to talk about how great the pope was. They haven't gotten back to me yet though.


  • #44
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Galvasean wrote: »
    The day I boycott Avanmore will be the day someone makes a viable alternative to Supermilk.

    Nothing beats fresh milk, straight from the milking machine.

    Yum!


  • #45
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Avonmore pioneered that revolutionary easy pour 2L bottle. That's more than the pope EVER did for humanity. They're f*cking heroes and Alive can take a running jump if they think they can diss my lactose idols.


  • #46
    legspin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Nothing beats fresh milk, straight from the milking machine.

    Yum!

    I disagree. Straight from the cow ftw. Frothy, warm, creamy.... hmmmmm...


  • #47
    geeky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    I interviewed the guy who publishes it.

    He was extremely mild-mannered and polite. So hard to square what he put in his paper with the person I spoke to for about two hours.

    What I find interesting is that you can often tell the stance of your local PP by whether they allow Alive in their churches. Some will have it right up by the poor box, others won't allow it anywhere near the place. To take an absurd analogy, if the Catholic church as a whole is the Labour party, then Alive is the Socialist Worker.


  • #48
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Galvasean wrote: »
    The day I boycott Avanmore will be the day someone makes a viable alternative to Supermilk.
    You're like the [3rd] brother I never had...

    /wipes tear


  • #49
    Crann na Beatha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


    This post has been deleted.


  • #50
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    legspin wrote: »
    I disagree. Straight from the cow ftw. Frothy, warm, creamy.... hmmmmm...

    No way am I getting kicked in the 'nads for my daily milk. I'll let someone else do it.


  • #51
    legspin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    No way am I getting kicked in the 'nads for my daily milk. I'll let someone else do it.
    In the relative safety of a milking parlour on a freezing cold late winter morning, after being up all night at a difficult calving and a full day of school to come yet, it was the best breakfast you could wish for.


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