Whats your setup?

iba · 25-05-2013 10:55am

snaps wrote: »

How I hate to read these posts as it makes me want to re do and do more with my setup! So many times I go to the shed, pick up my motor and hesitate to mount it back up (Ive 3 receivers using my fixed dish set up, so can all watch different sats at the same time), But i could just motorize the Living room DM800 and be done with it (But really im only missing out on a handfull of sats like 7 east, 5 east and the western sats past 1 west).

A couple of questions:
How are you splitting your feeds in the attic? Are you using a multi switch? Is the motorized dish feeding a seperate receiver? Whats the signal on your 26 east like (Fixed 88 dish)? I would have thought 26 east on a 88cm dish would be very marginal?

Also re 33 east onwards, they do start to get lower to the horizon past 33 east, Ive next doors house blocking 33 east onwards. Ive only succesfully got 39/42east when ive fitted a dish with just a field in the line of sight! Even 30 west for me is fairly high up and that can be got with a 60 cm dish with no major problems.

Ill be up in the attic later and Ill take a pic then, but I dont think its a multi-switch; its some sort of splitter I picked up in Egypt.

Motorised dish is feeding the sitting room only (Ariva 250)

26E - Signal Strength is 90% and Quality around 65% on MBC (Ariva 120). BTW STB also has 26 on a 88 dish.

red bellied · 26-05-2013 9:26pm

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Nothing compared to the setups on here but thought I would post anyway. Replaced my old sky dish with a 1.1 metre triax dish.

Used the quad lnb from the old sky dish to connect to a dreambox clone in kitchen, ariva ferguson 150 in bedroom and vu solo2 in sitting room (one tuner) all on 28.e. A diseqc switch then feeds the 3 lnbs to 13.e, 19, 28.e to the second tuner on the vu solo2. I have also Saorview running to 3 tvs in the house as well.

Got all my gear from the Russian lad on Sat Planet and he installed the dish as well all for a very reasonable price.

If it wasn't for this forum I would probably still be using sky, so thanks to everyone on here, the satellite and terrestrial forum for all their informative posts.

Tony · 28-05-2013 6:06pm

When you get a chance its a good idea to put some silicone on the cable entry hole to stop insects and water getting in.

iba · 21-06-2013 12:49pm

Snaps,

Sorry about the month delay in getting this pic to you - but anyway better late than never. Pic of attic set up.

The red splitter thing feeeds a Sat feed into each of the three upstairs bedrooms and likewise the Terrestrial Aerial also feeds into each o the bedrooms.

Peter Rhea · 21-06-2013 1:30pm

You've probably already noticed, but that splitter won't allow independent selection of all available satellite channels in each bedroom.

iba · 21-06-2013 1:34pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

You've probably already noticed, but that splitter won't allow independent selection of all available satellite channels in each bedroom.

You mean if I have BBC1 on in one bedroom, Ill have to have BBC1 on in the other Bedroom?

Peter Rhea · 21-06-2013 1:42pm

Not that simple.

4 lnb sub-bands? And the added complication of the DiSEqC switch in your own setup?

iba · 21-06-2013 1:44pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Not that simple.

4 lnb sub-bands? And the added complication of the DiSEqC switch in your own setup?

Yes, I have 5 LNBs going into a Diseqc Switch.

What type would you recommend instead then please

Peter Rhea · 21-06-2013 2:06pm

If you're only using 1 tuner at a time, then I suppose there isn't really anything wrong with the splitter, apart from signal losses.

If you want everything selectable on all tuners at the same time, you will need either a DiSEqC switch for each tuner, or a multiswitch with inputs for multiple satellite positions. Most I've seen on a single switch is 4 positions (17-in switch: 16 sat. inputs & 1 terrestrial).

iba · 21-06-2013 8:15pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

If you're only using 1 tuner at a time, then I suppose there isn't really anything wrong with the splitter, apart from signal losses.

If you want everything selectable on all tuners at the same time, you will need either a DiSEqC switch for each tuner, or a multiswitch with inputs for multiple satellite positions. Most I've seen on a single switch is 4 positions (17-in switch: 16 sat. inputs & 1 terrestrial).

Would something like this work:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Konig-LNB-3X4-3-4-Multiswitch/dp/B001IRV6PW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371839927&sr=8-1&keywords=multiswitch

or this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIAX-TMS510-SPLITTER-FOR-MULTIPLE-MULTISWITCH-SATELLITE-DISTRIBUTION-/221242083772?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Satellite_Multiswitchers&hash=item33830e49bc

Peter Rhea · 21-06-2013 10:33pm

Google '17-in multiswitch' if you want to see examples of what I'm referring to.

It's basically something that combines the lnb band/polarity switching & the DiSEqC function into 1 unit.

Since you don't seem to have been aware of the existence of the 4 different band/polarity combos output by the lnb, I think you'd be better off brushing up on the basics before getting into anything more complicated than what you already have.

Ronnie Raygun · 22-06-2013 1:50am

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Most I've seen on a single switch is 4 positions (17-in switch: 16 sat. inputs & 1 terrestrial).

Here's a 33-in: http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=15&id=75

They also do 21, 25 & 29-in.

snaps · 22-06-2013 7:02am

The simplest way, quad output lnbs on the dish, then the same feeds to each receiver via its own diseqc switch setup. so say 3 receivers you need to work independent of each other, a run of cable to a diseqc switch, then run cables to each lnb. Do exactly the same for the other 2 receivers.

kooga · 03-07-2013 5:58pm

On a non motorised 88cm triax dish in Cork how many satellites could i potentially receive?
tks

iba · 03-07-2013 8:01pm

kooga wrote: »

On a non motorised 88cm triax dish in Cork how many satellites could i potentially receive?
tks

I would say at least 4, namely 28, 23, 19 and 13 or 28, 23, 19 and 16 or 28, 23, 16 and 13 - or you might be able to get 5

banie01 · 03-07-2013 8:19pm

kooga wrote: »

On a non motorised 88cm triax dish in Cork how many satellites could i potentially receive?
tks

With the same dish in Limerick I get 4.8e,(swap with 7e when I like)9e, 10e, 13e, 16e, 19.2e, 23.5e, and 28.2e.
Asking what you can get is the wrong way to approach setting up your dish.
More important is what satellites you want or need and then plan your setup accordingly.
Deciding what you "need" is vital on a multi lnb setup as you need to know what the weakest Sat you plan to receive is.
As you will need that weakest sat at or near prime and prime focus pretty much decides what spread you can then receive.
Plan for reception on a TD88 of 12 degrees either side.(you can push this out but as general rule it stands)
So if you have 16 as prime you should be able to cover from 7e thru to 28.2e easily enough.
Changing prime will change your receivable spread so plan accordingly.

kooga · 03-07-2013 8:39pm

Thanks Banie01

Had emailed my installer re getting an 88cm dish to put on 9/10, 13, 16 and 23. Want to get a subscription on 13. He knows I have two existing 60cm dishes one at 19 and one at 28 and he mentioned putting them on the 88cm with the new additions. I was thinking that might be overload hence putting out the question.

It would be the preferred option with one possible two dishes rather than three dishes on the house.

banie01 · 04-07-2013 11:05am

kooga wrote: »

Thanks Banie01

Had emailed my installer re getting an 88cm dish to put on 9/10, 13, 16 and 23. Want to get a subscription on 13. He knows I have two existing 60cm dishes one at 19 and one at 28 and he mentioned putting them on the 88cm with the new additions. I was thinking that might be overload hence putting out the question.

It would be the preferred option with one possible two dishes rather than three dishes on the house.

Well your installer seems to know what he's at and in fairness a 1 dish solution is very doable and a hell of a lot neater

Good luck with the install!

foxyboy · 06-07-2013 10:39pm

Wooo, can you spell these sats out ? is that 9e on left and 28.2e on right ?
Hows the 9e lnb staying on ? Why not slide the rail down to 28.2E and give yourself a little more room ?

STB · 07-07-2013 10:54am

foxyboy wrote: »

Wooo, can you spell these sats out ? is that 9e on left and 28.2e on right ?
Hows the 9e lnb staying on ? Why not slide the rail down to 28.2E and give yourself a little more room ?

I have a similar setup (without the 16E as I dont use ALPS).

If you are behind the dish 28.2 is on the extreme right, 9E would be near extreme left.

You can get 4.8 to 28.2 with the Triax Bracket. What people are doing is they are redrilling the Triax bracket so that you leave enough room for one or two lnbs on the left and the rest on the right. You can then position your arm around 7/8 degrees East as the nearest centre ones are the weakest. 28.2 at the end of the bracket works perfectly as the satellite is so strong even at such a mad offset.

Examples

19E 23E //26E 28E 39E

13E 19E 23E //26E 28E

28.2E/23.5E/19E//13E/9&10E/4.8E

banie01 · 07-07-2013 12:12pm

foxyboy wrote: »

Wooo, can you spell these sats out ? is that 9e on left and 28.2e on right ?
Hows the 9e lnb staying on ? Why not slide the rail down to 28.2E and give yourself a little more room ?

STB has given you a fairly comprehensive answer there.
The LNBs on my setup are 4.8e,(swap with 7e when I like)9e/10e, 13e, 16e, 19.2e, 23.5e, and 28.2e.
The reason the bar is off centre is because with a dish aligned correctly for 16e in Ireland there is often not enough space or height left on the bar without modification to receive 28.2e reliably.
The usual workaround for this is to turn the triax multibar upside down(gaining a few, but a very importartant few mm's in height) and redrilling the bar @50mm to left to allow great reach and height to allow perfect reception of 28.2e.
As for whats holding the LNB at 4.8e (Not 9e) Cableties and a little spacer to keep it aligned.

kooga · 23-09-2013 8:19pm

Going to be very brave here and upload my set up given that a few months ago I knew zero about satellites but through this forum and people willing to share knowledge and give advice I have many too thank.

Also looking for bit more advice

existing 60cm dish with with 28 quad lnb for two combo boxes, French TNTSat box and sky hd box (setanta pack sub)

80cm dish with quad sky lnb on 19.2 for above and single lnb for hotbird.

Having a look at other set ups i'm wondering could I get the following on the 80cm looking from L-R 23.5, 19.2, 16, 13 and given the proximity of 9/10 would one lnb get them both. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

STB · 23-09-2013 9:25pm

You will have no problem with 23.5 on left of arm looing at dish.

In order to get 19/16/13 you will have to do banie's trick (like noikz mod on AVforums, below) with ALPS type LNBS as there is not enough space otherwise - too tight.

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Why do you want 16E ? There is nothing on it.

9E and 10E are same position. Again there is nothing of real interest on those Satellites. 7E is good for links.

kooga · 24-09-2013 8:43am

STB wrote: »

You will have no problem with 23.5 on left of arm looing at dish.

In order to get 19/16/13 you will have to do banie's trick (like noikz mod on AVforums, below) with ALPS type LNBS as there is not enough space otherwise - too tight.

Why do you want 16E ? There is nothing on it.

9E and 10E are same position. Again there is nothing of real interest on those Satellites. 7E is good for links.

STB thanks for the info

so on your advice just to fill out my bracket I should go for 23e and 7e

banie01 · 24-09-2013 10:21am

STB wrote: »

Why do you want 16E ? There is nothing on it.

9E and 10E are same position. Again there is nothing of real interest on those Satellites. 7E is good for links.

Have to agree with STB here, I added 9/10e and set 16e as prime on my dish when I set my dish up a few years ago as there was a lot of football available on 16e and it was a very cheap Sub and I really wanted to see what I could push the dish to do

9e/10e is good for some specific stuff particularly Russian and German(Unless you have a BFBS card, which are rare as hens teeth!)
Best advice is to decide what you actually need to receive(packages) then plan your setup around what reception is most important to you

kooga · 24-09-2013 12:26pm

banie01 wrote: »

Have to agree with STB here, I added 9/10e and set 16e as prime on my dish when I set my dish up a few years ago as there was a lot of football available on 16e and it was a very cheap Sub and I really wanted to see what I could push the dish to do
9e/10e is good for some specific stuff particularly Russian and German(Unless you have a BFBS card, which are rare as hens teeth!)
Best advice is to decide what you actually need to receive(packages) then plan your setup around what reception is most important to you

Tks guys

On reviewing what i have installed i just now have one spare lnb input on my outdoor disecq so will put up just the one additional LNB.....so open to suggestions.

Haven't thought of any tv packages in particular.

re 9/10 would a single lnb catch them both?

Tks

iba · 24-09-2013 2:57pm

kooga wrote: »

Tks guys

On reviewing what i have installed i just now have one spare lnb input on my outdoor disecq so will put up just the one additional LNB.....so open to suggestions.

Haven't thought of any tv packages in particular.

re 9/10 would a single lnb catch them both?

Tks

Yes a single LNB

kooga · 24-09-2013 3:07pm

iba wrote: »

Yes a single LNB

9/10 it is. SOLD

kooga · 30-09-2013 9:20am

Guys

am I correct in saying that the best install for a triax bracket on an 80cm dish is upside down as per the images above.

kooga · 02-10-2013 8:28am

kooga wrote: »

Guys

am I correct in saying that the best install for a triax bracket on an 80cm dish is upside down as per the images above.

hello? anybody there?

snaps · 02-10-2013 8:34am

kooga wrote: »

hello? anybody there?

I think it all depends on what you are after. I have a td100 with lnbs for 28, 23, 19, 13 and 9 east. I've no problems with signal, but I have since moved from the west of Ireland to Poland. I cannot get any freesat channels here apart from ch5 hd, ch4 northen Ireland and ITV 2,3,4 hd.

kooga · 02-10-2013 8:58am

Tks

recently put up a triax 80cm with 19 and 13. No problems with 19 but some of my hotbird transponders especially 11411 h 27500 which i will need if i get a canal+ sub have no signal. We had a lot of rain in Cork on sunday and monday night and a few others took a big signal dip.

So from reading this forumthe advive is that i can skew the lnb to the right looking at the dish or possible turn the triax bracket upside down giving more tilt downwards for 13east.

In addition as i have a spare input on my disecq going to put on 9/10 east.

Peter Rhea · 02-10-2013 2:32pm

kooga wrote: »

So from reading this forumthe advive is that i can skew the lnb to the right looking at the dish or possible turn the triax bracket upside down giving more tilt downwards for 13east.

Looking at your photos, it would appear that the lnb rail is already 'upside down', with the bolt through the bottom slot.

kooga · 02-10-2013 2:38pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Looking at your photos, it would appear that the lnb rail is already 'upside down', with the bolt through the bottom slot.

Peter if i have it now 'upside down' would turning it the other way make much difference in getting a better signal?

Peter Rhea · 02-10-2013 3:01pm

One would like to think the installer set it up to work as best it could, using that particular multi-lnb bracket (unmodified). If you start messing around yourself, without the benefit of a proper meter so you can keep an eye on the received signal while making adjustments, you'll probably just make things worse.

Surest way to get best signal for 13 east, is to put it at the dish focus.

STB · 02-10-2013 3:07pm

kooga wrote: »

Peter if i have it now 'upside down' would turning it the other way make much difference in getting a better signal?

When it is upside down the tilt is greater.

The 28.2 LNB gains from the higher tilt. Like wise the lower satellites at 7E gain from being at a lower tilt. Presumably you have set your Triax at around 28/29 in the first instance you can twaek it from there. You uultimately want to have the swing tightened at max tilt either way and tightened.

In order to fine tune your dish, start with the weak satellites and TPs and move your lnb holder/the skew etc for those HD TP's that are problematic. IE Canal+HD Family/Canal+HD Sport which require correct alignment.

Likewise for 28.2. Information TV/Sky News is one to tweak for max reception.

kooga · 05-10-2013 9:42pm

after some tweaking hotbird signal wise is 100% there.

However eutelsat 9 is proving problematic and have signal on one or two transponders, may be the LNB.
#Was hoping to combine eutelsat 9/10 ? any help would be great.

snaps · 06-10-2013 9:07pm

kooga wrote: »

after some tweaking hotbird signal wise is 100% there.

However eutelsat 9 is proving problematic and have signal on one or two transponders, may be the LNB.
#Was hoping to combine eutelsat 9/10 ? any help would be great.

your problem is that you don't have enough of a gap after 13 east to fit in 9 east on a 80cm. Usually on an 80cm with standard size lnbs you can get a 6 degree spacing between lnbs, so if you can get 13/19 no problem. But 13 and 9 is a 4 degree spread. On a 1m dish that would be possible, but pushing it on an 80cm. On my 1.1m i was squeezing in 3 degree spacing with standard size lnbs. I assume your aligned on 16 east thus 19/13 is offset by 3 degrees each?

Peter Rhea · 06-10-2013 9:51pm

kooga wrote: »

after some tweaking hotbird signal wise is 100% there.

What did you tweak? You definitely got a 'professional' to set this up in the 1st place? It's not saying much for his skills.

kooga · 07-10-2013 9:31am

Peter Rhea wrote: »

What did you tweak? You definitely got a 'professional' to set this up in the 1st place? It's not saying much for his skills.

Peter I wouldn't knock him he has been very patient. When hotbird went up first i was missing tp 11411 for the canal+ channels i now have this tp.

The other transponders were to do with Italia 2 but we have discussed that elsewhere and i cannot get those two TPs.

Just need to perfect 9 east to get tp 12034 V 27500 and i will be happy.

STB · 08-10-2013 9:16pm

Are you using a TD 88 or an 80cm dish ?

You can get 9E and 13E together on a TD88. You will have to increase the elevation of the dish to beyond 30 and peak it on 9E. The LNBs will be either side of the centre focus. It will result in a decrease in 13E's reception though.

My latest mod to the Triax bracket works quite well for peaking the lower easterly satellites with 28.2 on the end.

4.8E/7E//13E/19E/23.5E/28.2E

kooga · 09-10-2013 8:52am

Tks STB i have a td 88, getting a few transponders on 9e. On your layout do you have a single LNB pulling in 4.8e and 7 as i count 5 lnbs in your picture.

STB · 09-10-2013 3:15pm

kooga wrote: »

Tks STB i have a td 88, getting a few transponders on 9e. On your layout do you have a single LNB pulling in 4.8e and 7 as i count 5 lnbs in your picture.

There are 6 lnb's on it. (did you miss the small one to the left of the yellow capped lnb - for 19E).

If you were going to do something similar bear in mind that I had to mod the end lnb for 28E which required drilling through the top of the Triax bracket and placing one of those holders from another kit, that allows movement left right up and down. Thats why the 28.2E lnb is pointing downwards - it looks strange, but it works. Its clear that the Triax multi brackets were never meant to cover 4.8E to 28E in Ireland.

I had ordered one of those adjustable kits but it was too flimsy. Great idea in that you could adjust left right up down, but because of the flimsy light aluminum design and too many moving parts, it would not work in Ireland with wind conditions!

kooga · 09-10-2013 3:46pm

STB wrote: »

There are 6 lnb's on it. (did you miss the small one to the left of the yellow capped lnb - for 19E).

If you were going to do something similar bear in mind that I had to mod the end lnb for 28E which required drilling through the top of the Triax bracket and placing one of those holders from another kit, that allows movement left right up and down. Thats why the 28.2E lnb is pointing downwards - it looks strange, but it works. Its clear that the Triax multi brackets were never meant to cover 4.8E to 28E in Ireland.

I had ordered one of those adjustable kits but it was too flimsy. Great idea in that you could adjust left right up down, but because of the flimsy light aluminum design and too many moving parts, it would not work in Ireland with wind conditions!

apologies missed that guy. Not going to add 28 as it has its own sky dish. will try a slim lnb for 9 as i want TF1 Suisse and thats me done!

STB · 09-10-2013 4:42pm

kooga wrote: »

apologies missed that guy. Not going to add 28 as it has its own sky dish. will try a slim lnb for 9 as i want TF1 Suisse and thats me done!

I would do it the other way. Put the slim on 13E and use an Inverto Black ultra on 9E.

What you must remember is that even if you use a Inverto Slim LNB you will still end up using the Triax LNB holder which requires you use the insert that goes over the LNB, which kind of defeats the purpose. A way around this is to not put the side click on and screw in piece onto the individual Triax lnb holder, which will allow the LNB in its holder to get closer to the other LNB. Get me ? Otherwise you would have to drill the Triax Bracket to attach the dialelectric.

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snaps · 16-10-2013 3:43pm

kooga wrote: »

apologies missed that guy. Not going to add 28 as it has its own sky dish. will try a slim lnb for 9 as i want TF1 Suisse and thats me done!

did you manage tf1? I remember int multi lnb setup, that transponder was a weak one. Suffered awful with rain fade.

kooga · 16-10-2013 4:01pm

snaps wrote: »

did you manage tf1? I remember int multi lnb setup, that transponder was a weak one. Suffered awful with rain fade.

hi snaps haven't had a chance yet. don't worry soon as i get that last lnb up will post a pic.

snaps · 16-10-2013 4:06pm

For those that know me on here, I am from Mayo. As you can see from my location i've moved to South East Poland.
So i've had time to put my setup back together now. I've gone back down the motorised route. Got hold of a Technomate metal geared diseqc H to H motor and paired that up with my trusty old Gilbertini 1.1. I've got all nordic beams on 1 west and 5 east (5 east is very strong here on nordic beam), also gained Amos at 4 west. 26 east mbc beam is still here about the same as it was in Ireland. 42 east is there on both west and east beams too. This dish is supplying the living room.
Feeding upstairs ive got a Technomate 100cm (Triax TD100) with triax multi lnb arm for 28, 23, 19, 13, 9 & 5 east with another feed coming off the motorised dish which i park at 1 west.

On another note, i have no Freesat what so ever now apart from the Irish versions of ch4, e4, more 4, channel 5 hd and itv 2,3,4 HD (Encrypted). If there is anything important on BBC/ITV it can be got by other means!

Surprised RTE is on the UK spot beam as its encrypted, So do not have that either.

kooga · 22-11-2013 5:05pm

in my endless quest to get 9east i have a mix of 7east as well! So now i have 28,19,13 9 and 7

iba · 22-11-2013 5:15pm

kooga wrote: »

in my endless quest to get 9east i have a mix of 7east as well! So now i have 28,19,13 9 and 7

On what dish?

Whats your setup?

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