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Biggest transfer fails?

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  • #32
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    steelcityblues wrote: »
    Denilson to Real Betis.

    Good call that.

    Kaka to Madrid too.


  • #33
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    dfx- wrote: »
    Good call that.

    Kaka to Madrid too.

    Though at least Kaka was the real deal for a few years at Milan.

    Back in 1998, Denilson was hyped to the moon because he could do some fancy stuff.


  • #34
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    the realpigiron wrote: »
    Trevor Francis made lots of big money moves but most were successful.
    Trevor Francis was the forerunner to the overvalued overhyped overpaid primadonnas that plague our game today.

    Not saying Francis was a bad player mind.

    Roy Wegerle was another one, doubt if many here remember him.


  • #35
    Bodhidharma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Bodhidharma


    Where To wrote: »

    Roy Wegerle was another one, doubt if many here remember him.

    Ah come off it, he wasn't that bad. He belongs nowhere near the names on this list. Never had a huge amount of talent but handy enough. He was a bol**ks to find as a sticker in Premier League 94 though.


  • #36
    tinofapples
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    Esse85 wrote: »
    Torres

    End of discussion, mods lock it up.

    He's not finished yet though, is he ?


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  • #37
    bookie basher
    Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭bookie basher


    chelsea have bought sutton, shevchenko, torres for massive fees and got no return from any of them, serious cash wasted there


  • #38
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    plasmaguy wrote: »
    Possibly the biggest flop is Berbatov.

    a man with just under 50 PL goals for united, in 82 starts is a flop?? 56 goals in total, top scorer in the PL last year.

    united overpaid for him, cos they f*cked up the deal, tapped him up and basically had to pay another 5 or 6 million to stop spurs taking action against the club. his real transfer value, if the deal was tied up much earlier, would have been about 24 million.

    overpriced yes, a flop no. we may not have won the league last year, without him. blackpool, liverpool and bolton were all late, vital wins where he scored the winning goals, that 6 extra points we got, directly due to his goals, not even taking into account the other 15 he got.

    to label a man a flop, in a club that has signed the likes of bebe and veron for over 30 million together, is baffling to be honest.


  • #39
    Justin10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Anyone see Arshavin stats when he left Arsenal? Very impressive stuff.
    Veron gets a lot of stick. Yes he didn't live up to his price tag but he wasn't terrible.
    Bellion cost 3M, Djemba-Djemba the same. They where signings like Chicharito. If it didn't work out who cares but if they do hit then you have hit the jackpot.

    Luther Blissett to Milan was a big fail.


  • #40
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Ibrahimovic going to Barca makes Torres to Chelsea look tame but Barca were able to re-coup some of their losses but I doubt Chelsea will do the same with Torres bar Anzhi are looking for a white elephant....


  • #41
    KingdomYid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭KingdomYid


    David Bentley. Even though was almost worth it for that one goal alone :)


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  • #42
    bazual
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭bazual


    Kaka - £56 Milan ---> Madrid

    For a lad that did so well at Milan it was expected he would do wonders for Madrid. He has been in an out of the team and for a player that joined in his prime at 27 has very little to show for it.

    Torres is still only 27 so can still turn it around, unlikely but could still.


  • #43
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Ibrahimovic going to Barca makes Torres to Chelsea look tame but Barca were able to re-coup some of their losses but I doubt Chelsea will do the same with Torres bar Anzhi are looking for a white elephant....
    Ibrahimovic did score 20 goals in his only season at Barca
    he wasn't a flop
    its just the season he arrived Barca realised Messi was at his best in the Centre so they didn't need Ibra anymore


  • #44
    Joe10000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Joe10000


    bullvine wrote: »
    Lentini

    I've not heard that name since the good oul channel 4 Sunday afternoons, think he wrote his Porsche and career off at the same time.


  • #45
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Ibrahimovic did score 20 goals in his only season at Barca
    he wasn't a flop
    its just the season he arrived Barca realised Messi was at his best in the Centre so they didn't need Ibra anymore

    You're contradicting yourself. They spent all that money and a player for someone that didnt buy into their playing style, wasnt happy that a winger took the only position that he could play. Maybe it was a case of what Messi wants, Messi gets but he should have sorted all that out before he signed the contract. He didnt and was happy to take the money and with all the things we know that happened during that season, to be loaned out with a fee agreed after one season makes you a flop, imo.


  • #46
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Jeffers
    Reyes
    Torres
    Flo
    Carroll
    Downing
    Veron
    Shevchenko
    Wright
    Hleb
    Arshavin?
    Gordon
    Kewell
    Baptista
    Poborsky
    Stepanovs
    Keane


    Literally **** loads

    But this has all been done before, and again.


  • #47
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Ibrahimovic going to Barca makes Torres to Chelsea look tame but Barca were able to re-coup some of their losses but I doubt Chelsea will do the same with Torres bar Anzhi are looking for a white elephant....

    Jesus Christ.

    This is just so wrong.

    So wrong.

    I'll elaborate for anybody who lives under a rock,

    Ibrahimovic, 23 La Liga starts - 16 La Liga goals for Barca 29 total apps in league
    Torres 21 Prem starts - 3 Prem Goals for Chelsea 36 total apps in league

    Ibrahimovic - 0 apps in spanish cup
    Torres - 5 Starts in english cups - 0 goals

    Ibra, 9 starts CL - 4 goals
    Torres 7 starts - 2 goals

    So to recap

    Ibrahimovic - total starts - 32/ total goals - 20
    Torres - total starts - 33/ total goals - 5

    Seriously


  • #48
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    kryogen wrote: »
    Jesus Christ.

    This is just so wrong.

    So wrong.

    Care to explain what exactly is so wrong?


  • #49
    tvercetti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭tvercetti


    Who was Veron a bigger flop for in peoples opinions. Obviously United paid alot more money but surely Chelsea paying approximately £15 million for him after seeing what he was capable of in the league was just as big a mistake and I don't think Chelsea recouped anything, maybe a few million for his different loan spells.

    I acknowledge Veron wasn't that much of a failure but just vastly overpriced and unsuited to the league.


  • #50
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You're contradicting yourself. They spent all that money and a player for someone that didnt buy into their playing style, wasnt happy that a winger took the only position that he could play. Maybe it was a case of what Messi wants, Messi gets but he should have sorted all that out before he signed the contract. He didnt and was happy to take the money and with all the things we know that happened during that season, to be loaned out with a fee agreed after one season makes you a flop, imo.
    when they bought Ibra they didn't know Messi was at his best through the centre
    they only tried it 2/3 way through the season which concluded in Messi going on a great goalscoring run
    this resulted in Ibra being dropped & Barca knew he wouldnt settle for a role on the bench so they sold him
    he scored 16 goals in the league helping then win the title
    so he wasn't a flop


  • #51
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Care to explain what exactly is so wrong?

    I have edited since I seem to need to!


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  • #52
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    MD1990 wrote: »
    when they bought Ibra they didn't know Messi was at his best through the centre
    they only tried it 2/3 way through the season which concluded in Messi going on a great goalscoring run
    this resulted in Ibra being dropped & Barca knew he wouldnt settle for a role on the bench so they sold him
    he scored 16 goals in the league helping then win the title
    so he wasn't a flop

    He also broke the record for most consecutive league games with a goal iirc


  • #53
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    MD1990 wrote: »
    when they bought Ibra they didn't know Messi was at his best through the centre
    they only tried it 2/3 way through the season which concluded in Messi going on a great goalscoring run
    this resulted in Ibra being dropped & Barca knew he wouldnt settle for a role on the bench so they sold him
    he scored 16 goals in the league helping then win the title
    so he wasn't a flop

    The players attitude was well known, you didnt need a scout report to know what he was like. They bought a player only to change it at the whim of Messi (according to Ibrahimovic's autobiography) and to spend that sort of money on such a player only to flog him a season later makes him a flop imo.


  • #54
    Sappy404
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Sappy404


    mufcboy1999 wrote: »
    micheal owen, madrid to newcastle (never played, always injured)

    djemba djemba so good they named him twice

    kleberson

    david bellion

    andy carroll ( going to go down as the biggest flop in history)

    torres (even though i still think he will come good, at least he has talent unlike carroll)

    chamak

    crespo to chelsea

    mutu

    veron both united and especially chelsea

    Chamakh was free. He's been a bit rubbish, but you seem to want to take money into account for the rest of them. So he was hardly a flop in the same way the rest are.


  • #55
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    kryogen wrote: »
    He also broke the record for most consecutive league games with a goal iirc

    Link?


  • #56
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The players attitude was well known, you didnt need a scout report to know what he was like. They bought a player only to change it at the whim of Messi (according to Ibrahimovic's autobiography) and to spend that sort of money on such a player only to flog him a season later makes him a flop imo.

    How? how does that make sense to you?

    Seriously like, he did his job, he scored goals, in 32 games he broke the 20 goal mark. How the hell can you in your wildest imagination conceive him to have flopped?


  • #57
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Link?

    link? how about www.google.com and stop being so bloody lazy!

    Having checked it was a team record, and to make another adjustment, he did play at least one copa del rey game, scoring against Sevilla. So up his goals tally too!

    You check it out. You have absolutely no basis for your argument here (no logical one anyway) and are just making yourself look sillier with each post.


  • #58
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    kryogen wrote: »
    How? how does that make sense to you?

    Seriously like, he did his job, he scored goals, in 32 games he broke the 20 goal mark. How the hell can you in your wildest imagination conceive him to have flopped?

    Basically the net result of buying and selling Ibrahimovic resulted in a €45.5m loss for just one season at the club. Thats not a flop?


  • #59
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Basically the net result of buying and selling Ibrahimovic resulted in a €45.5m loss for just one season at the club. Thats not a flop?

    Em, if it proves anything at all its that Barcelona did business badly

    It does not prove he was a flop because he did his job! He succeeded on the pitch! He scored and assisted, he was a success.

    He doesnt set his transfer fees does he?

    And he was loaned to Milan for the first season. So he was 2 years older signing for Milan, 2 years into his Barca contract, and I'm sure there would have already been a loan fee paid too.

    This side of it is irrelevant. He did his job. He cannot be a flop


  • #60
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You're contradicting yourself. They spent all that money and a player for someone that didnt buy into their playing style, wasnt happy that a winger took the only position that he could play. Maybe it was a case of what Messi wants, Messi gets but he should have sorted all that out before he signed the contract. He didnt and was happy to take the money and with all the things we know that happened during that season, to be loaned out with a fee agreed after one season makes you a flop, imo.

    You also had Barcelona trying to spin his sale by "look how much wages we're saving"...you know it's a flop. Probably cost Barcelona in the region of 80m..


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  • #61
    the realpigiron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭the realpigiron


    Where To wrote: »
    Trevor Francis was the forerunner to the overvalued overhyped overpaid primadonnas that plague our game today.

    Not saying Francis was a bad player mind.

    Roy Wegerle was another one, doubt if many here remember him.

    Francis was a big name back then, Wegerle was a US international? Don't get the comparison.

    And Trevor Francis track suits from a mush in Shepherds Bush,
    Bush, bush, bush, bush, bush, bush, bush ...
    No income tax, no V.A.T.,
    No money back, no guarantee,
    Black or white, rich or poor,
    We'll cut prices at a stroke......
    God bless Hooky Street,


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