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L1011 · 15-10-2014 3:02pm

The CLDS copy of the data was taken out of the state before any concept of data protection existed; and is held outside the state. Nothing *could* be done, thankfully.

CassieManson · 15-10-2014 3:57pm

snickerpuss wrote: »

Is the church records section of the Irish Genealogy website not working for anyone else? Tried it from multiple places over the last week and while the search page will appear once I enter a query the results never load. Refreshing doesn't work either.

Tried it just now and not working for me either!

P. Breathnach · 15-10-2014 4:59pm

CassieManson wrote: »

Tried it just now and not working for me either!

Working for me now.

shanew · 15-10-2014 5:01pm

snickerpuss wrote: »

Is the church records section of the Irish Genealogy website not working for anyone else? Tried it from multiple places over the last week and while the search page will appear once I enter a query the results never load. Refreshing doesn't work either.

working ok for me, but needs a few hard refreshes - cancel page load, hold down shift and reload/refresh. I think caching of either the google or recapchta api might be the issue

cnoc · 15-10-2014 6:59pm

MYOB wrote: »

The CLDS copy of the data was taken out of the state before any concept of data protection existed; and is held outside the state. Nothing *could* be done, thankfully.

+1

cat_r · 19-10-2014 11:17am

Claire Santry has posted an update. Seems there's not much holding back a revised index release.
(Sorry, as a newbie, I can't post the link.)

Jellybaby1 · 19-10-2014 11:27am

Here ya go!

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/

Hermy · 19-10-2014 11:28am

cat_r wrote: »

Claire Santry has posted an update. Seems there's not much holding back a revised index release.
(Sorry, as a newbie, I can't post the link.)

Welcome to Boards cat.:)

Here be the link.Too slow!

Seems like good news all the same.

Jellybaby1 · 19-10-2014 11:43am

We are all waiting on pins and needles for this! I am hoping that the problems on the site are due to them uploading the information.

pinkypinky · 21-10-2014 10:42am

Church records on irishgenealogy.ie down this morning? Can anyone else get in?

Ponster · 21-10-2014 10:45am

MYOB wrote: »

The 100/75/50 (Births/Marriages/Deaths) used by ScotlandsPeople for full records seems to have been picked up on for the proposal for what will eventually return for the indexes

If this is the case then will the indexes be of any real use? What will they offer over the existing FamilySearch records?

L1011 · 21-10-2014 11:19am

Ponster wrote: »

If this is the case then will the indexes be of any real use? What will they offer over the existing FamilySearch records?

A few years more deaths, more mother's maiden names and some matched marriages. As well as likely a new release every January

Waitsian · 27-02-2015 3:54am

I was wondering the other day about how this Bill was progressing through the Dáil and the Seanad and if I'm reading this correctly it's officially been passed as law.

http://www.jgstoronto.ca/index.php/our-society-mainmenu-43/announcements-mainmenu-30/1176-ireland-civil-registration-amendment-act-2014-becomes-law-x

So when can we expect the records online? Spring, summer, autumn? Xmas?

Ponster · 27-02-2015 9:17am

edit : need coffee....

Wouldn't we already have heard about this if it was the case ?

familyseeker · 27-02-2015 10:14am

Its on the Oireachtas website under Bills 1997 - 2015 and at the bottom it does say:

Enacted as Act Number 34 of 2014
Date of Signature: 04/12/2014

I guess the furore about the water charges just eclipses everything right now.

pinkypinky · 27-02-2015 11:45am

Yes, I'm pretty sure that was reported as being law now. I think Claire Santry had something on her blog about it.

Incidentally, I notice a new link on the irishgenealogy home page - the link doesn't work at the moment but it surely indicates activity?

The website is home to the on-line Indexes of the Civil Registers (GRO) of Births, Marriages, Civil Partnerships and Deaths

Waitsian · 27-02-2015 1:40pm

This is what John Grenham wrote in January:

The Civil Registration (Amendment) Act 2014 passed into law in December. It is now, at last, legal for the State to allow access to full registration records. Hallelujah. As in Northern Ireland, this will be restricted to births over 100 years old, marriages over 75 and deaths over 50. Be patient. This is just the first step in the process, so we won’t get them this year.

What we will get this year – on irishgenealogy.ie – is the return of the Civil Registration indexes. Expect uber-caution, and searches unnecessarily restricted to the same year- range as above. The site’s small print may also demand you pledge your first-born to the Data Protection Commission.

Won't get them this year he reckons. If that turns out to be true I'd be seriously disappointed. Aren't they already scanned? What would hold them up?

CeannRua · 27-02-2015 7:13pm

I don't have time to see if this is still the position but commencement order needed

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-02-05a.45

shanew · 06-04-2015 9:07am

Civil BMD Index page is back in action on the Irish Genealogy website : http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

looks like 100/75/50 year cutoff, dob and mother's maiden names on births go back to at least 1907 1900..

KildareFan · 06-04-2015 11:14am

no - it's still showing temporarily unavailable.
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/107-civil-records-search-temporarily-unavailable

dido2 · 06-04-2015 12:05pm

This link is working, http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/agreement.jsp

I had been using an old saved link to it and it wasn't working but on going to the main website it works that way

shanew · 06-04-2015 12:53pm

it's at the same domain as before but not linked to the main IrishGenealogy menu, and at least one of the links at the top still mentions test - and one of the browse links goes to the church records by mistake, but if you stick to the link I or dido2 posted, both the basic and advanced search are working fine - for me at least

Waitsian · 06-04-2015 1:32pm

shanew wrote: »

it's at the same domain as before but not linked to the main IrishGenealogy menu, and at least one of the links at the top still mentions test - and one of the browse links goes to the church records by mistake, but if you stick to the link I or dido2 posted, both the basic and advanced search are working fine - for me at least

Yeah it's working fine for me. I finally got the birth date of my Nan's eldest sister. Nice to see it up and running. I see that on the record I just mentioned that her mother's maiden name is given. Is the case with all the birth records?

shanew · 06-04-2015 1:38pm

mod9maple wrote: »

...I see that on the record I just mentioned that her mother's maiden name is given. Is the case with all the birth records?

dob and mother's maiden name back to 1900 at least .. the original index books have this detail from the late 1920s, but the GRO staff added to the books for records back to abt1904, and they seem to have added a few more since

Waitsian · 06-04-2015 2:23pm

shanew wrote: »

dob and mother's maiden name back to 1900 at least .. the original index books have this detail from the late 1920s, but the GRO staff added to the books for records back to abt1904, and they seem to have added a few more since

Hmmm. I only ask because the birth of which I speak was registered in 1890, in Newry. Others I've seen from that time period have the mother's maiden name as N/R. Maybe I just got lucky!

L1011 · 06-04-2015 2:55pm

I have some memory that records that were called up for reprints (full not genealogy copies) had all the details transcribed so there's odd records going back with matched marriages, mother's maiden names etc. May be an inaccurate memory though

KildareFan · 06-04-2015 4:18pm

Got it working - and then it stopped. problem loading page.... can't get back into it. Is someone out there fiddling with the site on an easter monday?

Jellybaby1 · 06-04-2015 4:54pm

Thank you Shane. Well, all I can say is.........Woo Hoo!!

And off I go again.

shanew · 06-04-2015 5:02pm

KildareFan wrote: »

Got it working - and then it stopped. problem loading page.... can't get back into it. Is someone out there fiddling with the site on an easter monday?

I think it's still being finalized - the menus etc on the other parts of the system still dont link up, but it's still working from here ok. There will probably be an official re-launch after it's all tidied up

Jellybaby1 · 06-04-2015 5:52pm

A tip for anyone not familiar. When searching for Dublin unless you know the exact district you have to search Dublin, Dublin North and Dublin South separately. Just entering Dublin doesn't automatically give you North and South.

Ponster · 06-04-2015 5:53pm

Does anyone else find this box somehow archaic ?

when I use series like Familysearch I'm sure that there are also T&Cs attached but I don't have to accept them in advance. It's not that I mind accepting the T&Cs, it's the appearance of the page to someone who isn't Irish that would seem bizarre IMO, quoting the exact piece of Irish law that I have to agree to comply with.

CassieManson · 06-04-2015 6:00pm

Ponster wrote: »

Does anyone else find this box somehow archaic ?

when I use series like Familysearch I'm sure that there are also T&Cs attached but I don't have to accept them in advance. It's not that I mind accepting the T&Cs, it's the appearance of the page to someone who isn't Irish that would seem bizarre IMO, quoting the exact piece of Irish law that I have to agree to comply with.

Yes it is mad. You can put in any name you like and it is accepted!

rxan90 · 06-04-2015 6:06pm

CassieManson wrote: »

Yes it is mad. You can put in any name you like and it is accepted!

I would have been glad to give my real name and enter it into that form if it had meant I had access to all the records and not just 50,75,100 years ago :mad:

Jellybaby1 · 06-04-2015 6:41pm

In my excitement I entered the person I was searching for in that box!

Ponster · 06-04-2015 8:00pm

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

In my excitement I entered the person I was searching for in that box!

I did the exact same thing today and I've used the site when it first came out.

How many other people will do that same thing I wonder?

BigCon · 07-04-2015 2:36pm

dido2 wrote: »

This link is working, http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/agreement.jsp

I had been using an old saved link to it and it wasn't working but on going to the main website it works that way

I keep getting a 404 message. The wait continues...

L1011 · 07-04-2015 4:07pm

Clear your cache and go back to the first page after filling in the your name/tickbox page - working fine for me then.

Matched marriages in 1903 (and possibly earlier) showing up - don't remember it being that far back originally?

Jellybaby1 · 08-04-2015 12:10am

Anyone yet discover anything missing? I have a 1915 birth I got either on FamilySearch or Ancestry but its not turning up on the GRO indexes. I'm still trying different spellings just in case but its an unusual name so I didn't expect to have any trouble with it. I have the reference anyway.

L1011 · 08-04-2015 8:35am

1915 births are only 99 years ago so shouldn't be there. Should be opened at midnight on new years eve this year if they do it efficiently as the Scots do

If there's other 1915 ones there then there's an issue!

pinkypinky · 08-04-2015 9:53am

The problem with this 100/75/50 rule is that it's too restrictive. It's an index, and a larger index is available on familysearch.org. By all means, have the cert ordering online system* limited like this but we can view indexes (and order certs) in the GRO up to much more recently (1995?) I wouldn't be too optimistic about this site being updated each year with the next lot of records. That hasn't happened with the calendar of wills on the NAI site.

I can't see myself making much use of the irishgenealogy.ie, simply because I'll have to do maths each time to work out if I can expect a particular record to be on their site. Most likely uses: checking a death between 1958-1965, checking a mother's birth surname between 1900-1920ish, after I've found them on familysearch or an exact date of marriage pre 1940, for certs I'm not prioritising.

*If an online ordering system existed. :rolleyes:

pinkypinky · 08-04-2015 11:06am

Just doing some testing.

Cannot find a birth in 1902, for which I have the birth cert. It's indexed on family search but no sign of it on irishgenealogy. I've tried "Dublin" as well as the 2 registration districts.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBKV-1YC

KildareFan · 08-04-2015 5:10pm

Is this her?
Name MARY LONG
Date of Birth 26 June 1902
Group Registration ID 7207197
SR District/Reg Area Dublin
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname DUNNE

The district is recorded as Dublin [not North or South]

pinkypinky · 08-04-2015 9:35pm

Yes it is - but that didn't come up earlier when I was looking. I tried with just Mary and just Dublin. It's a bit of a pain to have to search 3 locations for Dublin.

Ponster · 09-04-2015 7:04pm

BigCon wrote: »

I keep getting a 404 message. The wait continues...

I do too. even after the cache clear and with 3 different browsers...

What am I doing wrong?

shanew · 09-04-2015 7:27pm

Ponster wrote: »

I do too. even after the cache clear and with 3 different browsers...

What am I doing wrong?

at what stage do you see the 404 - the link I'm starting from is http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie and it's been fine so far

Jellybaby1 · 09-04-2015 8:08pm

Working for me too.

shanew · 16-04-2015 3:28pm

Ponster wrote: »

I do too. even after the cache clear and with 3 different browsers...

What am I doing wrong?

I've just seen a 404 - directly after the application page and checkbox. Hard Refreshes didn't clear, but clearing out part of the URL so that it just had civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie worked ok

Ponster · 17-04-2015 10:56am

Cheers, that did it for me!

Coolnabacky1873 · 20-04-2015 1:59pm

John Grenham's column this week is about gaps in the IrishGenealogy.ie version of the indexes
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-registrations-indexes-return-1.2178591

Boscod · 20-04-2015 2:50pm

One thing I've noticed when searching for Dublin marriages is, if you select Dublin South/North from the dropdown list of Civil Registration Districts, no results are returned, however if you use Dublin only they are. I wonder why this is.

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