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Overkill UK Police?!

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  • 08-07-2010 11:04am
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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭


    Hey,

    Im sure all of you's have been reading the story about this massive police manhunt for Raoul Moat.

    Having read some of the latest developments and checking out the images i couldnt believe hardware on display of the UK police force (check out attachements)

    Is it just me or is this overkill?!


    Images are Sourced from BBC Newswebsite


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    orourkeda
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    They are chasing a gunmen you know


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    starbelgrade
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    It's hardly overkill.. you wouldn't expect the police to go looking for an armed looney, wearing luminous jackets & carrying nothing more dangerous than a baton.


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    Biggins
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    No, its deliberate tactics.
    Psychological tactics being used on the man pressure-wise for him to turn himself in.
    They are simply and visibly trying to turn up the pressure on him to do so.

    They could have also brought in the SAS in quietly but to announce that they are doing it, they do so WITH reason.


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    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    The first pic looks like standard procedure to me...certainly if I was the guy having to open the boots I'd be glad to have the other guy ready


    the second is a bit OTT alright...I imagine its a bit of exciting work for a few days for a lot of these coppers


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    [Deleted User]
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    I play too much Halo... Thread title failed to deliver.


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    who the fug
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    God help anybody if the MET are there


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    True, i somehow doubt holding a fully automatic machine gun to what looks like a pensioners head is necessary!?

    Further more in the other picture there are at least 2 guys with huge sniper rifles which is of no use close quarters...

    Im from the north and i can remember when there was a real terrorist threat, it was no were near as bad as that.

    starbelgrade wrote: »
    It's hardly overkill.. you wouldn't expect the police to go looking for an armed looney, wearing luminous jackets & carrying nothing more dangerous than a baton.


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    caseyann
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    It's hardly overkill.. you wouldn't expect the police to go looking for an armed looney, wearing luminous jackets & carrying nothing more dangerous than a baton.


    With neon flashing sign hanging over come get me here i am :D dont forget the bulls eyes painted on them :p


    It is good to see they are doing it right,that guy is a danger to everyone so long as he is out running around.


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    Hogzy
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    The guy has waged war on the police, already shot and killed someone he thought was a cop and shot another cop intending to kill him... No its not over kill one bit. If that team of armed police in the second picture happen to come accross him Moat can still pick off one of them (which is one too many). The more armed police the better, Means there is more of a chance of catching him.

    The reason theyre all in a group is because they are probably going to split up further down the line.


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    He has already stated he has no intrest in the public, just the police

    caseyann wrote: »
    With neon flashing sign hanging over come get me here i am :D dont forget the bulls eyes painted on them :p


    It is good to see they are doing it right,that guy is a danger to everyone so long as he is out running around.


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    Riskymove
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    Brady wrote: »
    True, i somehow doubt holding a fully automatic machine gun to what looks like a pensioners head is necessary!?

    its pointing at the boot of the car i think!


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    phill106
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    What about the 20 amoured jeeps sent over from northern ireland? I think he is secretly the predator!


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    Prob right... but it does look quite funny :eek:
    Riskymove wrote: »
    its pointing at the boot of the car i think!


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    lol
    who the fug wrote: »
    God help anybody if the MET are there


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    who the fug
    Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Brady wrote: »

    Im from the north and i can remember when there was a real terrorist threat, it was no were near as bad as that.


    Modern UK policing is more about news coverage and the blame game than policing


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    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Brady wrote: »
    He has already stated he has no intrest in the public, just the police


    Ever hear of hijacking a car or holding hostages,you are going take the word of a crazed gun man :eek:


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    Im not taking anyones word, i dont really have a massive intrest on the outcome of this, i just think it looks like the Poilce have watched a few eps of the wire and are loving the harware.. fair play, looks pretty awesome.


    caseyann wrote: »
    Ever hear of hijacking a car or holding hostages,you are going take the word of a crazed gun man :eek:


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    Hogzy
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    who the fug wrote: »
    Modern UK policing is more about news coverage and the blame game than policing

    lol... And where do you get this idea? From watching Sky News is it?


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    Dravokivich
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    Yer calling this overkill after what happened in Cumbria not too long ago?


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    jsd1004
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    caseyann wrote: »
    Ever hear of hijacking a car or holding hostages,you are going take the word of a crazed gun man :eek:

    Nice cop issue motors too..bmw X5'S 535's..fond of their beemers. Our boys must be crying on the dashboard of the tri aerial d reg mondeos


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    caseyann
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    Brady wrote: »
    Im not taking anyones word, i dont really have a massive intrest on the outcome of this, i just think it looks like the Poilce have watched a few eps of the wire and are loving the harware.. fair play and all that.

    Been honest prevention is better than cure,and coming back after say he has shot somebody else or hijacked a car,whole country in up roar.And police saying we should have done this or that.I think i would go with what they are doing.
    If this guy was roaming streets in Ireland i would be one pissed off woman,if we had our gardai out with batons doing road stops and boot checks and walking through fields etc..


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    Fair point.
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Yer calling this overkill after what happened in Cumbria not too long ago?


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    caseyann
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    jsd1004 wrote: »
    Nice cop issue motors too..bmw X5'S 535's..fond of their beemers. Our boys must be crying on the dashboard of the tri aerial d reg mondeos


    lol i know :D their cars are naff :(


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    CreepingDeath
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    Hogzy wrote: »
    The guy has waged war on the police...

    It's Rambo first blood all over again, the legend continues !


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    lisbon_lions
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    The 2nd one is amateurish tbh, they are not in a spread out formation - one spray of a machine gun and they all bite it. Which makes me think it is a photo op more than actual tactics being deployed.


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    Brady
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Brady


    This is kind of where im going with this...

    Nevertheless, it would be pretty sweet to be tooled up with that gear for your job.
    lisbon_lions wrote: »
    The 2nd one is amateurish tbh, they are not in a spread out formation - one spray of a machine gun and they all bite it. Which makes me think it is a photo op more than actual tactics being deployed.


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    genericguy
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    Brady wrote: »
    He has already stated he has no intrest in the public, just the police

    yeah, or anyone he incorrectly assumes to be the police, like the guy he killed? do you really think the police would say "hey lads, he says he's only gonna shoot at us, not the public, leave the guns in the station"

    i hope the person that catches this prick happens to use a knife rather than a gun on him.


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    GavRedKing
    Registered Users Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Brady wrote: »
    He has already stated he has no intrest in the public, just the police

    Does that make it ok??

    Not an ounce of overkill IMo, he could easily be hiding anywhere and have somebody helping him get around, its a routine stop in this situation.

    If the cops had opened the boot and he had shot one of them people would have being wondering why the procedures werent followed for any car or vehicle, regardless of the occupants.


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    Biggins
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    lisbon_lions wrote: »
    The 2nd one is amateurish tbh, they are not in a spread out formation - one spray of a machine gun and they all bite it. Which makes me think it is a photo op more than actual tactics being deployed.

    Please...! Its cops - not a hardened battle drilled military squad!


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    genericguy
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    jsd1004 wrote: »
    Nice cop issue motors too..bmw X5'S 535's..fond of their beemers. Our boys must be crying on the dashboard of the tri aerial d reg mondeos

    our emergency response unit gets these vehicles, all suped up to fcuk, all bullet-proof. they are totally unneccesary for our lads' other units.


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