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Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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  • #302
    eqwjewoiujqorj
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭eqwjewoiujqorj


    From Poland:



  • #303
    freestyla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    Test with Samsung Galaxy S2.
    Snake type bendy suction mount, using phone's own camera app (not Autoguard Blackbox nor DailyRoads Voyger).



    Shaking too much :(


  • #304
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    freestyla wrote: »
    Test with Samsung Galaxy S2.
    Snake type bendy suction mount, using phone's own camera app (not Autoguard Blackbox nor DailyRoads Voyger).



    Shaking too much :(
    i had the same problem and did advise against the snake type ones earlier in the thread. the one i have now is a fixed tilt/swivel one. you get a bit of the suction mount in the corner of the camera view, but the more stable picture more than makes up for that imho.

    I just got one of the cheap ones of ebay.


  • #305
    freestyla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    vibe666 wrote: »
    i had the same problem and did advise against the snake type ones earlier in the thread. the one i have now is a fixed tilt/swivel one. you get a bit of the suction mount in the corner of the camera view, but the more stable picture more than makes up for that imho.

    I just got one of the cheap ones of ebay.

    I saw your warning not to use snake one but grab this from local chinese shop just for testing purpose then returned it next day.

    Video quality with this phone is awesome really but suction mounts are not my thing at all. I never had one, probably because these mounts (together with charging cables hanging down) appeal just bother me too much from aesthetic point of view :p

    Need something under rear view mirror, with long battery life :)


  • #306
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    if you were going to do that, it would probably be worth running a power cable out of sight around the window trim.


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  • #307
    Joe10000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Joe10000


    Hi, I want to order one of these this week. I am not interested in using my phone as the camera and ideally would like the GPS information recorded also. I dont really want to spend much more then €100 and this one seems the best for around this price.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Full-1080P-HD-GPS-Car-Dashboard-Dash-Camera-DVR-Cam-Box-gps-logger-/280825983643?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416288729b

    I would appreciate opinions and recommendations.

    cheers.

    edit: Can you also please let me know if FPS or resolution are more important ?

    Thanks


  • #308
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    in case anyone is still interested in the phone based dash cam, i got some of those cheap magnetic phone camera lenses off ebay and tried them on my desire HD and took a couple of shots from the same spot on the dashboard to see what sort of visual range i could get.

    unfortunately, my holder broke slightly in the cold weather the other week and i couldn't find any of my spares since we recently moved house, so i've had to order some more, but once i have a new one, i'll do a test video and upload it.

    Standard Lens
    normal.jpg

    Wide Angle Lens
    wideangle.jpg

    Fisheye Lens
    fisheye.jpg


  • #309
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    vibe666 wrote: »
    in case anyone is still interested in the phone based dash cam, i got some of those cheap magnetic phone camera lenses off ebay and tried them on my desire HD and took a couple of shots from the same spot on the dashboard to see what sort of visual range i could get.

    unfortunately, my holder broke slightly in the cold weather the other week and i couldn't find any of my spares since we recently moved house, so i've had to order some more, but once i have a new one, i'll do a test video and upload it.


    Cool, link?


  • #310
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    here's the one i got, it's actually a 2 piece set, but the wide angle unscrews into 2 pieces and what's left is the macro lens.

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/260935392598?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_10493wt_841

    in case anyone is reading this the sellers name is earlydepot but plenty of others sell the same thing. if you do a search for "mobile fisheye" it should get you on the right track.

    i'll be using the macro one to get some closeup pics of some of the smaller stuff in my marine aquarium and i wasn't sure if the wide angle or fisheye would be better suited for the car, so i went for the triple pack, but you can buy them individually too if you know you only want one particular lens.

    the basic idea is that the lens is magnetically attached to your phone at its base, either by your metal phone case if you have one, or via one of the supplied stick on metal washers that come with the lenses.

    they are working well so far, i just need to see if it works as well mounted to the back side of the car holder when it comes. :)


  • #311
    eqwjewoiujqorj
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭eqwjewoiujqorj


    eqwjewoiujqorj wrote: »


    This made the news in Canada






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  • #312
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    A quick Bump for anyone following this thread. I bought a BlackVue DR400G- HD and made a rather long mini-review in this thread.


  • #313
    eqwjewoiujqorj
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭eqwjewoiujqorj


    Techmoan has another carcam review, this time a 50 euro job.

    • Starts / Stops with car.
    • Looped recording
    • Powered by car 12v
    • Wide Angle lens
    • 720p

    In car review starts around 9.20




    http://www.techmoan.com/blog/2012/3/18/40-car-cameras-review-1-of-2.html


  • #314
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    I do still think its a poxy law that just because it's yourself thats behind that it's automagically your fault.

    I mean that for instances like these were someone would forget to put on their handbrake and roll back. Even if it is by actual accident !

    I can't use the road hawk in my car even though it is a great peice of kit cos I usually have my phone charging or the gfs phone on charge.

    So I'm using my phone mounted on the windscreen recording through an app :)


  • #315
    Jimdagym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭Jimdagym


    Robbie, you can get cigarette lighter ports to charge multiple things at once. Also, you could get the camera hard wired in.


  • #316
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Jimdagym wrote: »
    Robbie, you can get cigarette lighter ports to charge multiple things at once. Also, you could get the camera hard wired in.


    That's what I have done, I have a 3 port unit mounted in the glovebox running the camera and sat nav with a spare port for phone charging.


  • #317
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    Jimdagym wrote: »
    Robbie, you can get cigarette lighter ports to charge multiple things at once. Also, you could get the camera hard wired in.
    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    That's what I have done, I have a 3 port unit mounted in the glovebox running the camera and sat nav with a spare port for phone charging.

    i know i could do that but my phone actually works rather well with the windscreen mount and the camera quality of the iphone 4 isint all that bad when you look at it.

    so either way i'll use my phone and its more discreet :P


  • #318
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    the other side effect of using a phone is that you know the audio is going to be half decent, so in the event you get pulled by a garda or have some road rage nut shouting in your window, you'll catch the audio at a respectable volume, even if there is no direct video shot, which could (at least in theory) be handy in a he/she said xyz type situation that ended in court.


  • #319
    mondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭mondeo


    I'm going to set this up with a phone app aswell. My phone is always in the cradle so its no problem putting it on record everytime I step in the car. I don't want anything hardwired in my car.


  • #320
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    But isn't the problems with phones the limited storage space for all that footage especially on a long journey.


  • #321
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    But isn't the problems with phones the limited storage space for all that footage especially on a long journey.
    Not a problem at all, as with most apps you can set a recording limit. Say record for 5 mins, then start new recording. When the max limit is hit, the old 5 minutes videos will automatically deleted, unless you want them preserved.


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  • #322
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    But isn't the problems with phones the limited storage space for all that footage especially on a long journey.
    i have a 32gb memory card in mine, i'd have trouble filling it without car cam footage. :)

    the other thing is, if nothing happens on your journey, it doesn't save any footage at all, so you don't use any space. mine is set to only save footage automatically if i have a crash (which it detects via an adjustable threshold value on the accelerometer).


  • #323
    vengeance52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭vengeance52


    Tried the DailyRoads Voyager app for android and I have to say im very impressed.

    I didnt have a proper mount yet so tried it setting it in place with blue tack.... (yes MacGyver is my hero) so its angled low down on the dash but you get an idea of quality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyc0wL35Ifk


    I manually config'd the settings for video recording

    Phone : HTC Desire S
    Video Res : 1280x720 (HD 720p)
    Video Type : MPEG4
    Video length (per file) : 180 secs
    Sound : Disabled

    Another nice feature is you can tap the screen when recording and it saves the current recording into the permanent save folder so wont be overwritten.

    Down side, you have to leave the phone screen on when operating so expect a battery drain unless you turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting.

    Ill try another recording with a decent mount between Cavan and Dublin and also check battery usage from A to B.


  • #324
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    vengeance52 wrote: »
    Tried the DailyRoads Voyager app for android and I have to say im very impressed.

    I didnt have a proper mount yet so tried it setting it in place with blue tack.... (yes MacGyver is my hero) so its angled low down on the dash but you get an idea of quality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyc0wL35Ifk


    I manually config'd the settings for video recording

    Phone : HTC Desire S
    Video Res : 1280x720 (HD 720p)
    Video Type : MPEG4
    Video length (per file) : 180 secs
    Sound : Disabled

    Another nice feature is you can tap the screen when recording and it saves the current recording into the permanent save folder so wont be overwritten.

    Down side, you have to leave the phone screen on when operating so expect a battery drain unless you turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting.

    Ill try another recording with a decent mount between Cavan and Dublin and also check battery usage from A to B.

    It will savage battery life - You have GPS active and are recording a 720p video at the same time. No point using it with out a car charger


  • #325
    vengeance52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭vengeance52


    BX 19 wrote: »
    It will savage battery life - You have GPS active and are recording a 720p video at the same time. No point using it with out a car charger

    True, but no harm seeing how much it will use, then on the return journey Ill use lesser resolution with WVGA instead of HD720p.


  • #326
    Joe10000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Joe10000


    Hypothetical situation here, I break the law on the road and the camera catches it all, guard stops me and spots the camera.

    Can the footage be confiscated or even be viewed against my will ?


  • #327
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Joe10000 wrote: »
    Hypothetical situation here, I break the law on the road and the camera catches it all, guard stops me and spots the camera.

    Can the footage be confiscated or even be viewed against my will ?
    not sure, would it be classed as you incriminating yourself?

    would also be another good reason to use a phone, as it's less obvious it could be recording.

    also, another good reason to go for AutoGaurd Blackbox instead of dailyroads voyager, as it has an option of background recording and/or turning off and/or dimming the screen to save battery life, at least on the pro version which is a bargain at €1.50. and lots of other features as well. (and no, i'm not on commission). :)


  • #328
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Joe10000 wrote: »
    Hypothetical situation here, I break the law on the road and the camera catches it all, guard stops me and spots the camera.

    Can the footage be confiscated or even be viewed against my will ?
    The Gardaí are required to gather all evidence including cameras when a crime is committed I think, so yes I assume they would take it. But that would be a thread for legal discussion ;)


  • #329
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    also be another good reason to use a phone, as it's less obvious it could be also, another good reason to go for AutoGaurd Blackbox instead of dailyroads voyager, as it has an option of background recording and/or turning off and/or dimming the screen to save battery life, at least on the pro version which is a bargain at €1.50. and lots of other features as well. (and no, i'm not on commission). :)
    You can do that in Dailyroads too ;)

    Just enable background mode then it'll always record, even when the screen is off :)


  • #330
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can do that in Dailyroads too ;)

    Just enable background mode then it'll always record, even when the screen is off :)
    fairynuff. i just don't like it though compared to autoguard, not sure why people always seem to go for it. :confused:


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  • #331
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    vibe666 wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can do that in Dailyroads too ;)

    Just enable background mode then it'll always record, even when the screen is off :)
    fairynuff. i just don't like it though compared to autoguard, not sure why people always seem to go for it. :confused:
    Because it's free ;)


  • #332
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because it's free ;)
    so is autoguard. ;)

    you just get more features in the pro version, which are definitely worth the tiny asking price imho, but not mandatory by any means.


  • #333
    mondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭mondeo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Gardaí are required to gather all evidence including cameras when a crime is committed I think, so yes I assume they would take it. But that would be a thread for legal discussion ;)

    A phone is a very personal thing to get taken of you if say a garda thinks your recording footage for some differant reason while your driving. I setup autoguard yesturday and it works great but got me thinking because I have alot of personal stuff on my phone I wouldn't want falling into someone else's hands, passwords for email and even my bank account and Facebook for some nosey law enforcement person to flick through if they took advantage.

    It does look Abit dodgy driving around recording everything in a sense. A dedicated recorder would be more appropriate and one which is not so obvious.


  • #334
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Put an unlock password on your phone ;) Android allows this :)


  • #335
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    mondeo wrote: »
    It does look Abit dodgy driving around recording everything in a sense. A dedicated recorder would be more appropriate and one which is not so obvious.
    personally, i think having a dash cam mounted in your windscreen looks a lot more like you are recording stuff than just your phone sitting in a cradle on charge.

    there's only one very obvious purpose for a dash cam, whereas your phone is just there for hands free calling, gps maps and charging on the road, so if it's spotted, who's to say it's recording or not, other than you? aside from everything else, a lot of people wouldn't even know that you could do it on your phone, so no suspicion at all.

    and i have a screen lock pattern on mine, no need for a pin code and much harder to get past for anyone looking on your phone, altho they could just take out the memory card. :)


  • #336
    mondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭mondeo


    vibe666 wrote: »
    personally, i think having a dash cam mounted in your windscreen looks a lot more like you are recording stuff than just your phone sitting in a cradle on charge.

    there's only one very obvious purpose for a dash cam, whereas your phone is just there for hands free calling, gps maps and charging on the road, so if it's spotted, who's to say it's recording or not, other than you? aside from everything else, a lot of people wouldn't even know that you could do it on your phone, so no suspicion at all.

    and i have a screen lock pattern on mine, no need for a pin code and much harder to get past for anyone looking on your phone, altho they could just take out the memory card. :)

    I'm using the free version of autoguard so you cant run it on the background so the recording display is visible at all times. I guess the paid version runs in the background which would be alot better.

    I must look into getting a passcode setup on my phone. How does one protect the SD card? I think the best protection is to delete those photos of my gf of it for a start :D.


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  • #337
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_I4hE6OK4


    Drunk pedestrian shuffles across the road at moderate speed without looking and nearly gets knocked down in Donnybrook, Dublin at 4AM. I first see him when I enter the junction, but I assume that is only running across one side of the road and will stop in the centre (like any sane person). I only realise he is not stopping and start to brake heavily once I have exited the junction. He doesn't even notice me till I beep, at which point I didn't want to swerve to the left (in case he speeds up) or to the right ( in case he stops or tries to go backwards). Very close call, he was centimeters from my bumper when I came to a stop.

    Footage filmed with a this.

    Edit: It looks like I brake a lot later than I do. The BlackVue software has a G sensor- the harsh deceleration starts at the end point of the yellow box.


  • #338
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    C.D. wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_I4hE6OK4


    Drunk pedestrian shuffles across the road at moderate speed without looking and nearly gets knocked down in Donnybrook, Dublin at 4AM. I first see him when I enter the junction, but I assume that is only running across one side of the road and will stop in the centre (like any sane person). I only realise he is not stopping and start to brake once I have exited the junction. He doesn't even notice me till I beep, at which point I didn't want to swerve to the left (in case he speeds up) or to the right ( in case he stops or tries to go backwards). Very close call, he was centimeters from my bumper when I came to a stop.

    Footage filmed with a this.


    Maybe I shouldn't comment this, but in my opinion if you've seen him when you entered the junction, you should beep your horn straight away, not wait till last moment. I would also slow down a bit earlier.


  • #339
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    ^^^I think in this situation I'd be off the power with my foot hovering over the brake if I saw anyone running onto the road, from the opposite side or not.

    'Assume' is the important word in your description. Close call alright.


  • #340
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    CiniO wrote: »
    Maybe I shouldn't comment this, but in my opinion if you've seen him when you entered the junction, you should beep your horn straight away, not wait till last moment. I would also slow down a bit earlier.

    Foot over accelerator as soon as I see him and slight braking, then I slam on them once I'm exiting the junction. If I beeped at everyone on the road in Dublin at night I'd have one hand on the horn permanently ^^


  • #341
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    CiniO wrote: »
    Maybe I shouldn't comment this, but in my opinion if you've seen him when you entered the junction, you should beep your horn straight away, not wait till last moment. I would also slow down a bit earlier.

    And no, this is a dash cam thread, not a rate C.D.'s driving thread. The whole affair lasted 3-4 seconds so it's not as if I had time to think through what I was going to do. Maybe I was not driving as Gay Byrne thinks we all should, but everything I did was pretty reasonable/normal- it's pretty easy to sit in an armchair and make comments.

    This is a good example of where if I had knocked him, the burden of proof would be on me to prove that I was not negligent or careless in my driving, which would be difficult without a witness or footage like this.


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  • #342
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    C.D. wrote: »
    And no, this is a dash cam thread, not a rate C.D.'s driving thread.

    If you are showing your videos here, you must accept fact that some people will comment on them.
    Maybe I was not driving as Gay Byrne thinks we all should, but everything I did was pretty reasonable/normal.
    For me it doesn't look normal as there is a pedestrian running through the street which can be seen from far away, and you barely slow down and don't use the horn early enough. Your reaction was really in the last possible moment.
    This is a good example of where if I had knocked him, the burden of proof would be on me to prove that I was not negligent or careless in my driving, which would be difficult without a witness or footage like this.

    I'm afraid this footage could prove otherwise - that you were negligent, especially if you declared what you said above - that you have seen this guy from the moment you entered the junction, but even though we can't really see any reaction on the video.
    As I said - first thing would be a horn straight away. That's what horns are for. Also slowing down earlier would be probably much appreciated.


  • #343
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mondeo wrote: »
    A phone is a very personal thing to get taken of you if say a garda thinks your recording footage for some differant reason while your driving. I setup autoguard yesturday and it works great but got me thinking because I have alot of personal stuff on my phone I wouldn't want falling into someone else's hands, passwords for email and even my bank account and Facebook for some nosey law enforcement person to flick through if they took advantage.

    It does look Abit dodgy driving around recording everything in a sense. A dedicated recorder would be more appropriate and one which is not so obvious.
    Yes, its a personal thing, but that means nothing. Its contains evidence, which the Gardaí have a legal right and duty to investigate.
    cormie wrote: »
    Put an unlock password on your phone wink.gif Android allows this smile.gif
    Yes, you could do that, however, if the phone contains evidence, then I assume you could be charged with obstruction of justice? Again, wrong thread, so I will just shut up about it. :pac:


  • #344
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    CiniO wrote: »
    If you are showing your videos here, you must accept fact that some people will comment on them.

    Quite frankly, if "the high horse" culture was the norm for this thread, nobody would post their interesting videos here and IMO that would be shame, especially considering what this thread is supposed to be about.
    CiniO wrote: »
    For me it doesn't look normal as there is a pedestrian running through the street which can be seen from far away, and you barely slow down and don't use the horn early enough. Your reaction was really in the last possible moment.

    For sure! As I said the whole event is 3-4 seconds long and while I anticipated it, I didn't take the kind of extensive action you would. I would be willing to wager 99% of motorists wouldn't- jaywalking is very common in Dublin CC. Ultimately I didn't have an accident and I am sure there are drivers out there who would have. As I said, it's very easy to sit in a comfy armchair, pass judgement and write an eloquent response.

    CiniO wrote: »
    I'm afraid this footage could prove otherwise - that you were negligent, especially if you declared what you said above - that you have seen this guy from the moment you entered the junction, but even though we can't really see any reaction on the video.
    As I said - first thing would be a horn straight away. That's what horns are for. Also slowing down earlier would be probably much appreciated.

    I would disagree, pedestrians equally owe a duty of care to themselves and other road users. The litmus test for such civil cases (had there been an accident) would be if the pedestrian had acted with a duty of care that befits our favorite person from tort cases the reasonable man. This pedestrian in particular could be shown to have breached this duty of care by:

    1) Not taking due care and consideration when assessing his surroundings (i.e shuffling across the road like mad yoke)
    2) Not utilizing the pedestrian crossing facilities provided

    Contrary to popular belief, pedestrians do not have automatic right of way by virtue of being pedestrians.

    In any case, without footage or a witness, a driver in these circumstances would find it hard to prove that the pedestrian displayed either whole or contributory negligence, which is what this thread is about (Dash cam saves your ass etc.).

    In the spirit of the thread I have zero interest in discussing my driving (points 1 & 2) with you or anyone. However, I think point 3 (issues of negligence, liability) are more relevant and there is merit in discussing it. I should mention that the Irish court systems treats video footage as "real" evidence, though whether it is shown to the jury is at the discretion of the judge.


  • #345
    [Deleted User]
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    C.D. wrote: »
    I would disagree, pedestrians equally owe a duty of care to themselves and other road users. The litmus test for such civil cases (had there been an accident) would be if the pedestrian had acted with a duty of care that befits our favorite person from tort cases the reasonable man. This pedestrian in particular could be shown to have breached this duty of care by:

    1) Not taking due care and consideration when assessing his surroundings (i.e shuffling across the road like mad yoke)
    2) Not utilizing the pedestrian crossing facilities provided

    Contrary to popular belief, pedestrians do not have automatic right of way by virtue of being pedestrians.

    In any case, without footage or a witness, a driver in these circumstances would find it hard to prove that the pedestrian displayed either whole or contributory negligence, which is what this thread is about (Dash cam saves your ass etc.).

    In the spirit of the thread I have zero interest in discussing my driving (points 1 & 2) with you or anyone. However, I think point 3 (issues of negligence, liability) are more relevant and there is merit in discussing it. I should mention that the Irish court systems treats video footage as "real" evidence, though whether it is shown to the jury is at the discretion of the judge.
    Yep, he should have used the pedestrian lights provided.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html#zzsi182y1997a46


  • #346
    thethingis
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭thethingis


    wrmwit wrote: »
    I remember hearing a story on the wireless about this type of scam happening to someone in Dublin. There are so many CCTV's around the place between Garda ones and shop owners CCTV that I'm sure you'd be able to prove it.

    Another pointer is that no matter how big or small an accident, whether a scam or not, always call the guards, so at least they're third party and witness if it ends up in court.

    Do the guards say if no one is injured just exchange details?


  • #347
    C.D.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭C.D.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yep, he should have used the pedestrian lights provided.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html#zzsi182y1997a46

    I was looking for the ratio decidendi of cases where the pedestrian's negligence was res ipsa loquitur, as it would be in a case where someone runs across the road. There could of course be contributory negligence from the driver if he too breached his duty of care. I am certain there exists judicial precedent in Ireland (and most certainly the UK) for cases where pedestrians have been found to be wholly negligent. There are stacks of common law cases where the tort of negligence has been found on either the side of the driver or pedestrian but it's late and I can't find ones where precedent was laid out.


  • #348
    Jimbob 83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Jimbob 83


    Deffo gonna invest in one of these when i get the new car


  • #349
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    C.D. wrote: »

    For sure! As I said the whole event is 3-4 seconds long and while I anticipated it, I didn't take the kind of extensive action you would. I would be willing to wager 99% of motorists wouldn't- jaywalking is very common in Dublin CC. Ultimately I didn't have an accident and I am sure there are drivers out there who would have. As I said, it's very easy to sit in a comfy armchair, pass judgement and write an eloquent response.

    I would disagree, pedestrians equally owe a duty of care to themselves and other road users. The litmus test for such civil cases (had there been an accident) would be if the pedestrian had acted with a duty of care that befits our favorite person from tort cases the reasonable man. This pedestrian in particular could be shown to have breached this duty of care by:

    1) Not taking due care and consideration when assessing his surroundings (i.e shuffling across the road like mad yoke)
    2) Not utilizing the pedestrian crossing facilities provided

    Contrary to popular belief, pedestrians do not have automatic right of way by virtue of being pedestrians.

    In any case, without footage or a witness, a driver in these circumstances would find it hard to prove that the pedestrian displayed either whole or contributory negligence, which is what this thread is about (Dash cam saves your ass etc.).

    In the spirit of the thread I have zero interest in discussing my driving (points 1 & 2) with you or anyone. However, I think point 3 (issues of negligence, liability) are more relevant and there is merit in discussing it. I should mention that the Irish court systems treats video footage as "real" evidence, though whether it is shown to the jury is at the discretion of the judge.

    I never said pedestrian was without blame.
    I just wanted to express my point of view, that this particular video shocked me a bit, because of lack of driver's reaction until last moment, even though pedestrian could be seen running through the street few seconds earlier.
    I would react way earlier, probably as most of drivers would.


  • #350
    rolion
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    CiniO wrote: »
    I never said pedestrian was without blame.
    I just wanted to express my point of view, that this particular video shocked me a bit, because of lack of driver's reaction until last moment, even though pedestrian could be seen running through the street few seconds earlier.
    I would react way earlier, probably as most of drivers would.

    I agree with you but...we are watching the footage from behind out PC'screens and reading and knowing and having time to ... digest the situation !! But,out there,in real full running event,i doubt many of us will realise what's going on in seconds ...

    Is like watching football on TV...all of us are better at scoring and passing with a can of drink in hand and sitting on the sofa ! :)


  • #351
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    rolion wrote: »
    I agree with you but...we are watching the footage from behind out PC'screens and reading and knowing and having time to ... digest the situation !! But,out there,in real full running event,i doubt many of us will realise what's going on in seconds ...
    That's what drivers are supposed to do - realise what's going on in seconds, or even milliseconds. And that's what most drivers do, including C.D. as he said he saw pedestrian from the moment he entered junction.
    That's the thing which I can't understand.
    You drive a car, see a pedestrian running through the road, and do nothing, just to eventually step on a brakes and horn in the last moment.
    If he wanted to let pedestrian cross, then he should have slowed down way earlier.
    If he didn't plan to let pedestrian cross, he should have used his horn way earlier, as this was nearly obvious pedestrian was going to run in front of him.
    Is like watching football on TV...all of us are better at scoring and passing with a can of drink in hand and sitting on the sofa ! :)
    I can't play football so whenever I watch lads play the match, I'm impressed as I know I wouldn't be able to do any of the stuff they do.
    But I can drive, and in this case, I just see a major error on driver's side.


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