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Waterford City Council to vote on public drinking bye-laws

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    #32
    deisedave
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    xperi wrote: »
    so now any good day we get this summer & we bring a picnic to the park with the familyi cant have 1 bottle of beer or face a fine, typical of this country clobber everyone to get at a few scumbags causing trouble, thats why i wont ever holiday in this horrible country , had to leave a hotel bar at 9pm because i got 2 daughters under 18 that were sitting quietly while were all having dinner & a quiet drink, girls were having a cokes lol. then where do we go at 9pm ?. idiots running this place, spain here we come next week, spend my money where our family are welcome

    Well, we cant have one law for you and another for young lads drinking so you need to just enjoy your picnic without a beer not that big of a deal. I would happily welcome the ban on drinking outdoors some people can do without causing trouble but we cant let some people drink and not others.


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    #33
    spankmemunkey
    Registered Users Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Irish People and Ireland are crippled by Alcohol problems, for the sake of our youth i think parents at least should be responisble and be able to go without a beer,

    Its a CHRONIC problem, so parents just go without and try and break a habit of a lifetime for our kids sake.

    Irish people use alcohol to socialize its a social lubricant, young men and women dont know how to speak to each other until they have a drink and its a choice that continues as they get older, take away the alcohol and they arent able to socialise on a normal basis.


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    #34
    Potential-Monke
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    spankmemunkey wrote: »
    Irish people use alcohol to socialize its a social lubricant, young men and women dont know how to speak to each other until they have a drink and its a choice that continues as they get older, take away the alcohol and they arent able to socialise on a normal basis.

    You seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet regarding alcohol?!

    And not all young men/women go out and get plastered every weekend. Yes, there is a high percentage, but nowhere near levels that it used to be (one positive aspect of the recession). I know plenty of people who don't drink but socialise and do activites.


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    #35
    Hoffmans
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    did a group of vintners not lobby the councillers to pass this bye law, hoping it would help their failing businesses.............

    well its passed now back to the 90s ques to get in to the "old rogue" and the like.....


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    #36
    nkay1985
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    This law is currently being enforced on The Plaza. Ridiculous.


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    #37
    Hoffmans
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    nkay1985 wrote: »
    This law is currently being enforced on The Plaza. Ridiculous.
    aah now its the law, lock em up i say, down with that sort a thing....


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    #38
    jennygirl
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭jennygirl


    from what ive seen on the plaza, its the scumbags getting the drink taken and fined.....the respectable ppl lets alone to enjoy the gig


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    #39
    nkay1985
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    jennygirl wrote: »
    from what ive seen on the plaza, its the scumbags getting the drink taken and fined.....the respectable ppl lets alone to enjoy the gig

    Nope, she went around to anybody who had drink. And seemingly you get a warning before anything happens.


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    #40
    deisedave
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    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Nope, she went around to anybody who had drink. And seemingly you get a warning before anything happens.

    Good in fairness, I don't agree with drinking on the streets at all. Hopefully the law is upheld and people don't use the spraoi as an excuse to get wasted out in the streets.


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    #41
    Jason Todd
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    deisedave wrote: »
    Good in fairness, I don't agree with drinking on the streets at all. Hopefully the law is upheld and people don't use the spraoi as an excuse to get wasted out in the streets.

    Does this mean I can't drink in the open at Spraoi at all now? I was planning on bringing a large red plastic cup or two and just filling that with beer from my rucksack for the night.

    Some pain in the hole if I can't even do that. The dopes are ruining it for the rest of us. I rarely ever drink, and the one weekend of the year I always like a few cans has been ruined now. :o


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    #42
    nkay1985
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    deisedave wrote: »
    Good in fairness, I don't agree with drinking on the streets at all. Hopefully the law is upheld and people don't use the spraoi as an excuse to get wasted out in the streets.

    I have to say I don't see the harm in sensible people having a couple of drinks while watching street acts. I have no problem with guards stopping people who have twenty cans or big groups of people who are potentially a nuisance but I think people should be allowed to have a couple of drinks on an occasion like this.


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    #43
    deisedave
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    nkay1985 wrote: »
    I have to say I don't see the harm in sensible people having a couple of drinks while watching street acts. I have no problem with guards stopping people who have twenty cans or big groups of people who are potentially a nuisance but I think people should be allowed to have a couple of drinks on an occasion like this.

    Why should they be allowed to drink at a family event, is there not something wrong if a event like this cant be enjoyed without alcohol?


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    #44
    Jason Todd
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    deisedave wrote: »
    Why should they be allowed to drink at a family event, is there not something wrong if a event like this cant be enjoyed without alcohol?

    Spraoi has plenty of family friendly events where drinking doesn't go on. Like I said earlier, I rarely drink, I rarely even go to town anymore, I find drunk people falling around more and more depressing as I get older, but... I still like a drink or two on Spraoi weekend, I do family things friday night and sunday night, so why shouldn't I have a drink on the Saturday? And in any event, street drinking happens all year round, not just at Spraoi, something should be done about that moreso, it's far more anti-social than public drinking at Spraoi.


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    #45
    deisedave
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    Jason Todd wrote: »
    Spraoi has plenty of family friendly events where drinking doesn't go on. Like I said earlier, I rarely drink, I rarely even go to town anymore, I find drunk people falling around more and more depressing as I get older, but... I still like a drink or two on Spraoi weekend, I do family things friday night and sunday night, so why shouldn't I have a drink on the Saturday? And in any event, street drinking happens all year round, not just at Spraoi, something should be done about that moreso, it's far more anti-social than public drinking at Spraoi.

    Your right it should be banned all year round :)


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    #46
    Paully D
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    I give it 6 months.


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    #47
    Hoffmans
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    dunno what that parade thing was all about, clowns dressed as the undertaker pouring water over the crowd,some child and its buggy got soaked just beside us ,the clown was lucky he kept running say he was a canditate for a conamara, the acrid smoke topped it all of pure weird
    ....


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    #48
    Jason Todd
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    Hoffmans wrote: »
    dunno what that parade thing was all about, clowns dressed as the undertaker pouring water over the crowd,some child and its buggy got soaked just beside us ,the clown was lucky he kept running say he was a canditate for a conamara, the acrid smoke topped it all of pure weird
    ....

    I know what you're saying, there didn't seem to be a definite 'theme' running throughout the parade, but I thought everything looked good and was finished to a high standard. It moved at the right pace and the music was great!Well done everyone involved!

    Disclaimer: I maybe am drunk right now. :pac:


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    #49
    nkay1985
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    deisedave wrote: »
    Why should they be allowed to drink at a family event, is there not something wrong if a event like this cant be enjoyed without alcohol?

    Because it's a person's personal choice whether to have a drink or not. By that reasoning, parents should, by law, never be allowed to drink because they have kids to take care of. Or family parties should be non-alcoholic beverages only because there are kids involved!

    It's not like people go to the juggling acts or stuff like that with a drink. It's watching the local bands on the Plaza, which is mainly adult-orientated.

    I can enjoy things fine without drink but I don't see why I should have to instances like this. I don't really drink but I always love having a couple of pints sitting outside and listening to the bands. It does nobody any harm.


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    #50
    nicolaed
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    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Because it's a person's personal choice whether to have a drink or not. By that reasoning, parents should, by law, never be allowed to drink because they have kids to take care of. Or family parties should be non-alcoholic beverages only because there are kids involved!

    It's not like people go to the juggling acts or stuff like that with a drink. It's watching the local bands on the Plaza, which is mainly adult-orientated.

    I can enjoy things fine without drink but I don't see why I should have to instances like this. I don't really drink but I always love having a couple of pints sitting outside and listening to the bands. It does nobody any harm .
    Are you sure?


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    #51
    nkay1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    nicolaed wrote: »
    Are you sure?

    Thanks very much for your insightful contribution...


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    #52
    nicolaed
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    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Thanks very much for your insightful contribution...
    It does nobody any harm .
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    #53
    CardBordWindow
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    Hoffmans wrote: »
    dunno what that parade thing was all about, clowns dressed as the undertaker pouring water over the crowd,some child and its buggy got soaked just beside us ,the clown was lucky he kept running say he was a canditate for a conamara, the acrid smoke topped it all of pure weird
    ....
    I thought it was the story of Spraoi, where the black clouds rain on the parade.


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    #54
    Sully
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    The drinking ban wasn't very well enforced judging by the amount of cans I saw at the plaza for the Fireworks. The place was littered with them and there were loads of Guards about.

    I still don't see why, on a family event, people feel the need to have a few sensible and plenty more who will have a few non sensible drinks on the street. There wont be just a small few that will spoil it and even if there was - its that small few that will start fights, shout obscenities, and be a general nuisance. I'm sure plenty of parents don't want to bring their children into that environment. I'm sure the Guards would prefer not to have to deal with drunken fools all night long.

    Sproai is a family event. Its for families and adults, but it shouldn't be all about drinking. If you want drinks, pop into the pub for a few.


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    #55
    AdMMM
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    I was at the Plaza throughout the weekend drinking some cans with friends and several Gardai walked straight past and said nothing. Then again, we were just sat down in a small group and were unlikely to cause trouble. Many of the pubs in the area were supplying plastic containers to take outside as were off licenses. I don't see any harm in people having a few responsible drinks outside while enjoying the fantastic entertainment. I was relieved that the Gardai seemed to be adopting a common-sense attitude to the new laws over the weekend.

    Your wording above implies that it was the majority of people that were drinking non-sensibly. I have to disagree completely with you. I saw no trouble over the weekend that could be attributed to people drinking in the streets and it wasn't as if I was walking around with rose-tinted glasses on me or staying in the one spot.


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    #56
    Sully
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    AdMMM wrote: »
    Your wording above implies that it was the majority of people that were drinking non-sensibly. I have to disagree completely with you. I saw no trouble over the weekend that could be attributed to people drinking in the streets and it wasn't as if I was walking around with rose-tinted glasses on me or staying in the one spot.

    Are you saying that to me? I stated very clearly that it was the "small few" that would. Not did. :)


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    #57
    Potential-Monke
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    I thought there was a by-law that allowed drinking at certain events?


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    #58
    Sully
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    I thought there was a by-law that allowed drinking at certain events?

    Not a by-law, just a request can be made to the Gardai for an exemption. It seems it was applied here but they used their discretion which they would be entitled to do anyway.

    I think the law was designed to target the student population anyway.


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    #59
    paul-2008
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    The reason it wasn't enforced for spraoi is because it doesn't come into effect until the 10th of August!


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    Sully
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    paul-2008 wrote: »
    The reason it wasn't enforced for spraoi is because it doesn't come into effect until the 10th of August!

    Now that's a real D'Oh moment!!


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    #61
    nkay1985
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    paul-2008 wrote: »
    The reason it wasn't enforced for spraoi is because it doesn't come into effect until the 10th of August!

    Interesting. I was only going on what was said to the lads on the Plaza on Friday evening. That was the only time over the weekend I saw the Gardaí stopping people drinking.

    Kind of on topic, did anyone witness any trouble over the weekend? We passed a fair old scrap on Michael Street on Sunday night on the way from the fireworks to Shortt's. Looked like two or three lads and a couple of girls getting involved too. Pretty sure one of the girls got a slap.


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