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SU Elections '12

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  • #52
    frankiesayrelax
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭frankiesayrelax


    Guys, both James and Paddy were both involved in the KBC. James did the Iron Stomach wearing an Ógra Fianna Fáil t-shirt. Paddy and James were on the trip to Brussels and Amsterdam a few years back and were both on the committee. However, James left because he fell out with Fianna Fáil and didn't believe in them anymore. Paddy left because he fell out with the committee.

    They are both still friends with members of the KBC but Paddy is still associated with FF I believe.


  • #53
    AdamD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    What does KBC mean?


  • #54
    Fad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Fad


    AdamD wrote: »
    What does KBC mean?

    Kevin Barry Cumann.

    It's Ógra Fianna Fáil society in UCD. They have a long history of being involved in UCDSU (Not necessarily a good thing, but meh, s'long story, someone else is welcome to explain...).

    Also, frankiesayrelax, thanks for clearing that up! You'd have to be pretty knee deep in a soc to get roped into doing Iron Stomach for them...


  • #55
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    AdamD wrote: »
    What does KBC mean?

    It's the UCD version of the Yale Skull & Bones Society.


  • #56
    Fad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Fad


    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    It's the UCD version of the Yale Skull & Bones Society.

    Ah here, as much as I enjoy KBC conspiracy theories, that implies some sort of grandiose...

    I'm sure that's how they view themselves though....


  • #57
    spudington16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭spudington16


    According to the Observer, Karl Gill has stated that he would step down from the C&C job on principle if the student body opted to drop the 'Stop Fees' campaign. In essence, he's saying, "I'll promote the views of UCD students, provided I agree entirely with them on a personal level." Is he completely oblivious to the economic reality facing the country?


  • #58
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    spudington16 wrote: »
    According to the Observer, Karl Gill has stated that he would step down from the C&C job on principle if the student body opted to drop the 'Stop Fees' campaign. In essence, he's saying, "I'll promote the views of UCD students, provided I agree entirely with them on a personal level." Is he completely oblivious to the economic reality facing the country?

    He's a member of the looney left. He doesn't care about economics, as long as he gets his name out there. Hence, he'll spend SU money trying to get two members of staff, who provide a redundant service, reinstated into the exact position they lost, instead of trying to see if they could be moved to another job within the university.


  • #59
    spudington16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭spudington16


    So presumably if he were to abdicate his position sometime next year (or sooner), there would need to be a re-election to fill the position, or else the post would have to be absorbed by other sabats? Surely that wasted cash would be better spend elsewhere and he would be better remaining out of the SU and loudly protesting the fees with his ULA buddies.


  • #60
    Jazzmatazz90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭Jazzmatazz90


    http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2012/02/campaign-communications-debate-coming-soon/

    C&C debate video for trib should be fun...


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  • #61
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    Any Tribheads know when the final video will be up?


  • #62
    Jazzmatazz90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭Jazzmatazz90


    http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2012/02/campaign-communications-debate-coming-soon/

    tis up


  • #63
    frankiesayrelax
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭frankiesayrelax


    Dear Christ, those debates were heated! Not gonna comment on Gill because to be honest he's not going to win and he's the left candidate (but to be fair to him a very good candidate, probably the best left candidate in a UCDSU election).

    Sheerin does not appeal to me and hopefully will not get elected. Atkinson was clever and stayed out of most of the bickering and only came in to give good points. Guiney did more harm than good when he spoke.

    Sheerin and/or Atkinson seem to be getting into Guiney's head, interesting few days ahead. Looking forward to Monday night at Theatre L.


  • #64
    spudington16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭spudington16


    frankiesayrelax wrote: »
    Dear Christ, those debates were heated! Not gonna comment on Gill because to be honest he's not going to win and he's the left candidate (but to be fair to him a very good candidate, probably the best left candidate in a UCDSU election).

    Sheerin does not appeal to me and hopefully will not get elected. Atkinson was clever and stayed out of most of the bickering and only came in to give good points. Guiney did more harm than good when he spoke.

    I think Sheerin and Guiney both came across terribly, especially when they were trying to catch each other out on who had or hadn't attended various marches/demos. Guiney gave himself plenty of rope to hang himself in his own manifesto (e.g. promising a car park, claiming to have spearheaded Save Our Track, etc.). Gill is a fool, and a loud one at that. He is totally inflexible on fees and yet unable to offer alternatives to the funding crisis. Atkinson at least had his homework done and could back up his proposals. He had the good sense to let the children bicker and only contributed when it was worthwhile.

    Guiney and Sheerin came across like two children, and have no common sense between them.


  • #65
    bbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭bbuzz




    Dear god make it stop.

    Won't be voting for him at all after that ****e.


  • #66
    Deeluu
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Deeluu


    This is the best Wexford has to offer student politics :/

    Great N Bomb that he drops as well, fair play James.

    Also "hard like sex with no lube" probably quote of the election.


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  • #67
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    bbuzz wrote: »


    Dear god make it stop.

    Won't be voting for him at all after that ****e.

    Remember the good old days when Rebecca Black was the most offensive thing on youtube?


  • #68
    Fad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Fad


    Deeluu wrote: »
    Great N Bomb that he drops as well, fair play James.

    All that nonsense about him knowing shít about communications has gone out the window :D


  • #69
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Any information about the running Ents Officer.


  • #70
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    How did the hustings go? Anyone there?


  • #71
    its_phil
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Who slipped the allegations about Guiney?

    Gill's team or Atkinson's team?


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  • #72
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    its_phil wrote: »
    Who slipped the info about Guiney to the UCD?

    Gill's team or Atkinson's team?

    James Atkinson seems just smarmy and organised enough to do it imho.

    Just a feeling, NO EVIDENCE to back it!


  • #73
    beardedmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭beardedmaster


    ... what info about Guiney?


  • #74
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    beardedmaster wrote: »
    ... what info about Guiney?

    More allegations than info.

    http://www.archive.org/embed/2012HustingsInFull

    Go to 68 minutes in.


  • #75
    its_phil
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    gradlife wrote: »
    More allegations than info.

    http://www.archive.org/embed/2012HustingsInFull

    Go to 68 minutes in.

    Sorry I'll edit that


  • #76
    Pierce_1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    gradlife wrote: »
    More allegations than info.

    http://www.archive.org/embed/2012HustingsInFull

    Go to 68 minutes in.

    Atkinsons answer to the political affiliations question at 80 minutes is very good.


  • #77
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    Aisling Sheeran's voice makes me want to punch babies.


  • #78
    Pierce_1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    gradlife wrote: »
    Aisling Sheeran's voice makes me want to punch babies.

    Incredibly annoying


  • #79
    beardedmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭beardedmaster


    gradlife wrote: »
    More allegations than info.

    http://www.archive.org/embed/2012HustingsInFull

    Go to 68 minutes in.


    OH! That's some juicy stuff...


  • #80
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    It's a clever tactic, if somewhat evil, to imply something untoward that is very difficult to prove didn't happen. Especially since Guiney has confirmed he is being investigated for a different matter. As I'm sure the V.P. would never comment on a sensitive internal disciplinary matter like that.


  • #81
    Deeluu
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Deeluu


    The thing that really struck me was Brendan Lacey swanning around like the big man. We haven't seen him all year, he hasn't DONE anything all year and all of a sudden he crops up at hustings (which he bombed at last year btw) and criticises everyone, states that he doesn't think this years C&C candidates are as good as last year (have a look in the mirror mate) and just generally seeks attention like some sort of petulant child from the safety of his crowd of hacks.

    He is the worst sabbatical officer I have even come across in my 4 years at UCD.

    It's nice for him to show that rarely seen face of his anytime he decides to mouth of. It'd be even nicer if he actually did his job.

    On the topic of hustings; Guiney is in big trouble and although I'm not a fan of Atkinson, he seemed well able to be able to shake off anything awkward that came his way whereas Guiney's rehearsed nice guy impression couldn't save him and he just ended up flustered and incoherent. I did almost feel sorry for him. I'd still like to know whose campaign team offered up the question!


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  • #82
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    Pierce_1991 and its_phil banned until after elections, (bad day for underscores) for failing to declare

    VagnerLove banned for the same, plus abuse, so he's gone for a week.

    I've also had to make some changes, please bear in mind that abusive and defamatory statements about anybody, whether they're someone in the thread, a sabbat candidate, or former US president Jimmy Carter, are strictly against the boards.ie ToU. kthxbai.


  • #83
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    What about former president Bill Clinton?


  • #84
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    What about former president Bill Clinton?

    He may or may not of had sex with THAT woman.

    We have no proof tho so BANNED


  • #85
    leposean
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭leposean


    bailarinabela wrote: »
    I have no alliances with any of the candidates, but I will not be voting someone in again if I saw no value in their work this term. I am unsure why the current education officer is running again after the recent issues.

    The only one I'm certain of so far is Gallagher for Welfare.

    What issues?


  • #86
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Deeluu wrote: »
    (which he bombed at last year btw)

    Ah like have your issues with Lacey if you like, but fairly sure he aced hustings last year. Press and neutrals generally agreed.

    Lacey has worked hard this year and has had some successes, more then anything I maintain he was the best candidate in last years race.


  • #87
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Ah like have your issues with Lacey if you like, but fairly sure he aced hustings last year. Press and neutrals generally agreed.

    Lacey has worked hard this year and has had some successes, more then anything I maintain he was the best candidate in last years race.

    Aced it me arse! He couldn't answer the simple question from the Belfield FM lad. "What have you done this year?" He got fussed to the extent that even Paddy Guiney would have been embarrassed! He told me that himself and the host had a running issue with one another, although I've since had this confirmed to be a load of old tosh. Lacey was crap at the Hustings, and crap in the Office. Even he admits the latter!


  • #88
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Oasis_Dublin wrote: »
    Aced it me arse! He couldn't answer the simple question from the Belfield FM lad. "What have you done this year?" He got fussed to the extent that even Paddy Guiney would have been embarrassed! He told me that himself and the host had a running issue with one another, although I've since had this confirmed to be a load of old tosh. Lacey was crap at the Hustings, and crap in the Office. Even he admits the latter!

    We're talking different hustings actually. Belfield FM and LawSoc hosted separate hustings last year, instead of the joint Belfield L&H ones this year. I think Lacey pretty comfortably won LawSoc hustings, and you seem to think Lee won Belfield FM hustings last year.

    The only opinions on LawSoc hustings from last year are page 16 and 17 of this thread, FAD and SO. Positive to him.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056136711&page=16


  • #89
    Deeluu
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Deeluu


    errlloyd wrote: »
    We're talking different hustings actually. Belfield FM and LawSoc hosted separate hustings last year, instead of the joint Belfield L&H ones this year. I think Lacey pretty comfortably won LawSoc hustings, and you seem to think Lee won Belfield FM hustings last year.

    The only opinions on LawSoc hustings from last year are page 16 and 17 of this thread, FAD and SO. Positive to him.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056136711&page=16

    Despite any positive (and I'm sure very objective....NOT) opinions on his Lawsoc Hustings, it doesn't negate the rest of my point that he was useless at the BFM hustings and useless in his role as C&C. Therefore him turning up at this years hustings and mouthing off wasn't only ridiculous, it's inappropriate. He just loves the sound of his own voice, but won't put it to work for anything worthwhile.


  • #90
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    errlloyd wrote: »
    We're talking different hustings actually. Belfield FM and LawSoc hosted separate hustings last year, instead of the joint Belfield L&H ones this year. I think Lacey pretty comfortably won LawSoc hustings, and you seem to think Lee won Belfield FM hustings last year.

    The only opinions on LawSoc hustings from last year are page 16 and 17 of this thread, FAD and SO. Positive to him.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056136711&page=16

    Fair enough. But he did make an absolute fool out of himself at the BFM Hustings. He has also done an awful job at C&C, which he seems to have accepted on Facebook. Coming along on Monday night to have a go was the last act of a failed student politician.

    Either his terrible performance in office or his personal "issues" have also led him not to seek re-election. He knows he failed, we know he failed. It's as simple as that.


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  • #91
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    Attention Sam Geoghegan campaign team. By yelling at people lining up to vote, you managed to quite elegantly lose your candidate any preference in an election where I was considering giving him my vote. GG.


  • #92
    spillit67
    Registered Users Posts: 772 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Oasis_Dublin wrote: »
    Fair enough. But he did make an absolute fool out of himself at the BFM Hustings. He has also done an awful job at C&C, which he seems to have accepted on Facebook. Coming along on Monday night to have a go was the last act of a failed student politician.

    Either his terrible performance in office or his personal "issues" have also led him not to seek re-election. He knows he failed, we know he failed. It's as simple as that.

    Why has he failed?

    Personally C&C seems like the most pointless position going (and the others aren't up to much either) but by what metric has he 'failed'.


  • #93
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    spillit67 wrote: »
    Why has he failed?

    Personally C&C seems like the most pointless position going (and the others aren't up to much either) but by what metric has he 'failed'.

    He's the C&C officer, and yet he has seen his main role as criticising both The Tribune (admittedly non-SU) and Belfield FM on facebook, boards, and on air on the radio.

    The only things I've seen him do all year were appearing at an Irish Education "funeral" and then turning up to criticise the calibre of his successor at Monday's Hustings. Any emails I've directed at Lacey have been replied to by Pat.

    I also cannot think of one achievement.


  • #94
    gradlife
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭gradlife


    Oasis_Dublin wrote: »
    He's the C&C officer, and yet he has seen his main role as criticising both The Tribune (admittedly non-SU) and Belfield FM on facebook, boards, and on air on the radio.

    The only things I've seen him do all year were appearing at an Irish Education "funeral" and then turning up to criticise the calibre of his successor at Monday's Hustings. Any emails I've directed at Lacey have been replied to by Pat.

    I also cannot think of one achievement.

    I'd love to get a personal email from Pat.

    I'd climb that like a tree. ;)


  • #95
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    gradlife wrote: »
    I'd love to get a personal email from Pat.

    I'd climb that like a tree. ;)

    president@ucdsu.ie, best of luck!


  • #96
    its_phil
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Letter released from VP for Students stating Guiney not under investigation for theft.


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  • #97
    spudington16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭spudington16


    its_phil wrote: »
    Letter released from VP for Students stating Guiney not under investigation for theft.

    It's surreal that it has actually come to that. I mean, that letter is now in the public domain (presumably by Guiney's wishes), which means he'll always have this hanging over him. It wasn't exactly reassuring when he confirmed he was in fact under investigation (albeit for something else), but refused to clarify. Something as serious as that should have been disclosed.


  • #98
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    The canvassers outside the polling booth are unbelievable, they're like beggars at an ATM, should be banned from doing that tbh...


  • #99
    Deeluu
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Deeluu


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    The canvassers outside the polling booth are unbelievable, they're like beggars at an ATM, should be banned from doing that tbh...

    I agree, in other colleges they aren't even allowed into the building! Imagine how peaceful that would be!

    Last year someone even offered me a fiver for my "I voted" badge. They really are ridiculous characters those canvassers!


  • #100
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    Headphones are the key not to be harassed.


  • #101
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    Or just try hard to cultivate an expression of "Go fuck yourself"


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