WoTLK Midnite Sales in Ireland?

Krieg · 05-11-2008 8:19pm

WellyJ wrote: »

Yeh we have been discussing that already in this thread

Just posting the link

Edit: bah, sorry.
Didn't realize the links was posted previous

DarthWraak · 05-11-2008 8:50pm

ZygOte wrote: »

I think blizzard have gone about this all wrong ideally the game should be available for purchase a few days or a week before it goes live, giving people to by and install and actually be ready to play when WTLK goes live

yes, because hundreds of thousands of players logging on at the exact same time when wrath goes live would be a better idea

Ivan · 05-11-2008 9:23pm

DarthWraak wrote: »

yes, because hundreds of thousands of players logging on at the exact same time when wrath goes live would be a better idea

It's expected of every other MMO for it's launch, why shouldnt it be expected from the market leading MMO out there, with the biggest bankroll around, the largest conglomerate PC gaming corporation to ever exist and with the biggest infrastructure this side of the US educational system...?

Besides, if you dont have thousands of people logging on at midnight, you have them at 9-11am the next day anyway... whats the difference?

It's frustrating, it's inconvenient and it's something that is already possible. For the Burning Crusade, I used my beta client and just patched up to the most recent version and played from midnight. I'll probably do the same for Wrath, if I can get my hands on a CD-Key

TheDoc · 05-11-2008 9:38pm

Dustaz wrote: »

250,000 people on the dole think the fact you have a notion about anything is a rumour.

I'm getting pretty ****ing sick of your smart arse comments in anything i post tbh, if you have nothing constructive to say, stop trying to boost your post count.

I'm not going to derail the thread on how "recessions" are fear mongering and caused by people stooping to the fear and stopping spending, I'm earning as much as ever and couldnt be finanically stabler....

Go read a book and stop trying to be a smart arse...

If you actually opened that head of yours, you would also realise, that leisure products and activities, are the very last thing to be effected in times of financial "crisis"

Ivan · 05-11-2008 11:44pm

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I'm getting pretty ****ing sick of your smart arse comments in anything i post tbh, if you have nothing constructive to say, stop trying to boost your post count.

I'm not going to derail the thread on how "recessions" are fear mongering and caused by people stooping to the fear and stopping spending, I'm earning as much as ever and couldnt be finanically stabler....

Go read a book and stop trying to be a smart arse...

If you actually opened that head of yours, you would also realise, that leisure products and activities, are the very last thing to be effected in times of financial "crisis"

Watch the personal abuse. If you have a problem with a post, use the report feature. It is what it is there for.

That goes for you too dustaz, although he does make a valid, if facetious, point.

And yes, please dont derail this thread to politics or it'll get moved faster than you can say, "1 copy of Wrath of the Lich King, please".

Jim · 06-11-2008 12:27am

To the people worried about everyone trying to log on at the same time. I thought TBC launch day was going to be a nightmare. I got up early, got the game, installed it, registered my key, went through the Dark Portal and played all day.

The only problem I had in that whole process was the 3 - 5 seconds of lag going from the Dark Portal to Outland. Blizzard seem to be quite good at these type of things.

Nehaxak · 06-11-2008 1:15am

In regards offgamers, they would normally purchase the European Wow directly from places in France and also usually have a plethora of games available to them before the time to give out the keys from same at midnight. They key you get from them is also usually an actual photo of the key from the box itself that they open to get it from for you.
As for the actual download of the game data, they would also make that available at midnight.

More or less the same as any other bricks and mortor shop selling the game.

Myself I'll probably just get the missus to pick me up 2 copies of the game from gamestop that morning when she goes in to pick up her CE edition while I'm at work.
If I wasn't working (holidays or whatever) I'd just get the keys at midnight from offgamers and download it from them also.

I know they sell gold and such also but really, there's a lot of well known and respected companies that do an awful lot worse yet still people use their products and continue to purchase from them...So I don't see a problem at all really.

It's just a damn shame that theres no official direct download option available.

Psycopat · 06-11-2008 1:19am

Correct me if im wrong but I assumed that the bulk of the data was downloaded in patch 3.0.2 (Echoes of Doom) and when the server does a soft reset the night WOTLK goes live people will be able to play almost instantly after they upgrade their accounts. So im not really sure people need to worry about "5GB of data to download" if they dont have a store bought dvd.

mayordenis · 06-11-2008 2:29am

Ivan wrote: »

It's expected of every other MMO for it's launch, why shouldnt it be expected from the market leading MMO out there, with the biggest bankroll around, the largest conglomerate PC gaming corporation to ever exist and with the biggest infrastructure this side of the US educational system...?

Besides, if you dont have thousands of people logging on at midnight, you have them at 9-11am the next day anyway... whats the difference?

It's frustrating, it's inconvenient and it's something that is already possible. For the Burning Crusade, I used my beta client and just patched up to the most recent version and played from midnight. I'll probably do the same for Wrath, if I can get my hands on a CD-Key

There's a huge ****ing difference, people all over europe and the world will get the game at a different time on that day,
lets take a few examples, some will get them at midnight launches in france, 1 hour after midnight launches here and in britain, some will get them in sweden with a 2 hour difference, some will wait till the morning, or some stage throughout the day on the 13th, South africans play on euro servers, so they will get them at a different time.

You say all mmo launches are like this? No they're not WAR Wasn't onsale a week early so everyone got log in the second the servers went up, AOC wasnt on sale a week early so everyone could be online when the servers went up. Same for LOTRO, same for EQ and EQ2, COH and COV, Eve and every other games. Games have a release date that allow people who buy them play the game immediately.

Staggering the whole thing would allow it to go smother, because I assume it won't be smooth.

get a clue.

Ivan · 06-11-2008 2:45am

mayordenis wrote: »

There's a huge ****ing difference, people all over europe and the world will get the game at a different time on that day,
lets take a few examples, some will get them at midnight launches in france, 1 hour after midnight launches here and in britain, some will get them in sweden with a 2 hour difference, some will wait till the morning, or some stage throughout the day on the 13th, South africans play on euro servers, so they will get them at a different time.

You say all mmo launches are like this? No they're not WAR Wasn't onsale a week early so everyone got log in the second the servers went up, AOC wasnt on sale a week early so everyone could be online when the servers went up. Same for LOTRO, same for EQ and EQ2, COH and COV, Eve and every other games. Games have a release date that allow people who buy them play the game immediately.

Staggering the whole thing would allow it to go smother, because I assume it won't be smooth.

get a clue.

A) I was directing my comments at DarthWraak's comment's. Hence the quote.

Specifically

DarthWraak wrote: »

yes, because hundreds of thousands of players logging on at the exact same time when wrath goes live would be a better idea

Which is something every MMO launch has to deal with these days and this expansion and the Burning Crusade expansion, for which I was a GM for the launch day, months beforehand and many months afterwords for, is no different.

The majority of upgraded log-ins for TBC and presumely will be similar for Wrath, was between 9am and 11 pm GMT the morning of launch and a similar number again at 7pm to 9pm that evening. Again, this is coming from a guy who was a GM at the time.

C) WAR had an early access log-in, AoC had an early access log-in, CoH had an early access log-in. Pretty much every MMO from now on will have an early access log-in. These events are designed to allow hardcore players to log-in the game early to stagger the playerbase and also give rise to the clients making their way onto torrents and other peer-to-peer channels all before launch. Warhammer, AoC and CoH all allowed pre-downloading of the client before launch. I realise this is an expansion, but that is no reason the client cannot be made available prior to launch. It is simply a matter of flicking a switch (metaphorically speaking) which allows people the access to the new content and as such, is even easier than a launch day. Again, coming from the largest games development mongoloid corporation in existence and coming from one of its ex-employees.

D) I realise I am a Moderator on these forums, although perhaps you dont; but I deserve the same respect as any other poster here. With that in mind, if you speak to me or another poster in such a passive-aggressive tone again, you can be discussing Wrath launch on the WoW forums instead of here.

E) Did I mention I used to be a Gamesmaster, for blizzard and stuff...

mayordenis · 06-11-2008 2:56am

Ivan wrote: »

A) I was directing my comments at DarthWraak's comment's. Hence the quote.

Specifically

Which is something every MMO launch has to deal with these days and this expansion and the Burning Crusade expansion, for which I was a GM for the launch day, months beforehand and many months afterwords for, is no different.

That I got wrong will hold my hands up.

Ivan wrote: »

The majority of upgraded log-ins for TBC and presumely will be similar for Wrath, was between 9am and 11 pm GMT the morning of launch and a similar number again at 7pm to 9pm that evening. Again, this is coming from a guy who was a GM at the time.

Yes I understand that but I also know staggering them somewhat will but less immediate strain on the servers, and on the authentication servers, the website, the account management page. etc. etc.

Ivan wrote: »

C) WAR had an early access log-in, AoC had an early access log-in, CoH had an early access log-in. Pretty much every MMO from now on will have an early access log-in. These events are designed to allow hardcore players to log-in the game early to stagger the playerbase and also give rise to the clients making their way onto torrents and other peer-to-peer channels all before launch. Warhammer, AoC and CoH all allowed pre-downloading of the client before launch. I realise this is an expansion, but that is no reason the client cannot be made available prior to launch. It is simply a matter of flicking a switch (metaphorically speaking) which allows people the access to the new content and as such, is even easier than a launch day. Again, coming from the largest games development mongoloid corporation in existence and coming from one of its ex-employees.

no those were not for "hardcore" players - it is something that cheapens the whole experience, paying a bit more so you get a vanity pet - thats ok, paying more so you get an actual advantage (bonus xp potions, entry to the game earlier).

Ivan wrote: »

D) I realise I am a Moderator on these forums, although perhaps you dont; but I deserve the same respect as any other poster here. With that in mind, if you speak to me or another poster in such a passive-aggressive tone again, you can be discussing Wrath launch on the WoW forums instead of here.

Actually I know you are a mod, and you seem to think you should have extra respect in a conversation which isn't true, and I don't think any other mod or admin would stand over banning someone for disagreeing with your opinions.

Ivan wrote: »

E) Did I mention I used to be a Gamesmaster, for blizzard and stuff...

And yes I know you used to be a gamemaster for sitel, you do bring it up every 45 seconds.

Ivan · 06-11-2008 3:12am

mayordenis wrote: »

That I got wrong will hold my hands up.

Yes I understand that but I also know staggering them somewhat will but less immediate strain on the servers, and on the authentication servers, the website, the account management page. etc. etc.

no those were not for "hardcore" players - it is something that cheapens the whole experience, paying a bit more so you get a vanity pet - thats ok, paying more so you get an actual advantage (bonus xp potions, entry to the game earlier).

Actually I know you are a mod, and you seem to think you should have extra respect in a conversation which isn't true, and I don't think any other mod or admin would stand over banning someone for disagreeing with your opinions.

And yes I know you used to be a gamemaster for sitel, you do bring it up every 45 seconds.

You seem to have a rather diminutive view of MMO's, the companies involved and their launch but I'll humour you once more.

I fail to see how a set launch day of midnight has any staggering affect on launch day, or more specifically how not making the client available prior to launch (which is what this debate was about) has that affect either. You tried to explain that with forced logic and I already pointed out how that was flawed, based on informed and statistical evidence. Please present a new argument or let it go.

Early access events are designed to allow those people who are willing to pay extra to play early to get an advantage, i.e. hardcore players, a chance to start early and gain an advantage. This provides a kickstart to the player economy, allows the quickest leveling players the ability to level ahead of the rest and thus stagger the player base and also take some much needed strain off of servers, account management servers et al. similar to what you yourself stated. The bonus pets and item advantages generally, although not always, come from Collector's edition purchases and are generally limited to the perfectionist player and hold a minor interest to the hardcore types.

Yes, I am a mod. I am glad that you are aware of this fact although your conduct in your previous post seems to ignore this fact. I do not believe I deserve any extra respect due to my role, if I did I would simply have banned you outright, which I must admit did occur to me. What I did was provide you with a warning for personal abuse, as I did to 2 others previously in this very thread just 5 posts before your abusive post. At no point did I mention, hint or imply that I would ban you for your disagreeing with my opinion.
However, if you feel I am abusing my position or attempting to intimidate you in any way, then please take it to feedback or PMs as this thread is not the place to discuss your opinions on this.

Finally, I have mentioned my being a Gamesmaster for Blizzard (albeit indirectly) in precisely 2 posts. The first was a page and a half ago in this very thread and the second post was meant to be humourous and was directed at your comments about me needing to

mayordenis wrote: »

get a clue.

A comment which I placed in bold for added emphasis and for which you received a warning for personal abuse.

If I've failed to address any of your points, please let me know, I'd hate to think I wasnt being informed on this particular issue.

mayordenis · 06-11-2008 3:31am

Ivan wrote: »

You seem to have a rather diminutive view of MMO's, the companies involved and their launch but I'll humour you once more.

I certainly don't.

Ivan wrote: »

I fail to see how a set launch day of midnight has any staggering affect on launch day,

Again if it were that everyone playing on the servers had a "midnight" launch at GMT or say realm time - then they would all be in a position to log on at the same time - but as the european community is split over several timezones - it means that not all spanish, irish, swedish, greek, south african players will log on at the same time, that coupled with midnights launches for some, store opening around 9am whatever your local time, and some playing it after work etc. would allow some leeway.

Ivan wrote: »

Early access events are designed to allow those people who are willing to pay extra to play early to get an advantage, i.e. hardcore players, a chance to start early and gain an advantage.

When I said it wasn't for hardcore players i meant that hardcore players of any game, be it a MMO, or FPS, or non-video games like football don't want a unfair advantage, they want a level playing field, I believe paying extra for this is not a good standard.

The rest is offtopic and will be discussed elsewhere, I don't feel you're humouring of me is overly respectful either by the way, and I don't think you quite understand my posts.

ven0m · 06-11-2008 3:46am

**grabs some popcorn to watch some moderator 1v1 PVP **

Psycopat · 06-11-2008 6:42am

reminds me of that south park episode where cartman runs around shouting "race war" for some odd reason

. when i read mayordenis's reply to Ivan i was like woah what did he do to deserve that :pac: but anyway heres a blue post regarding upgrading your account online.

Wrath Not Available Via Download At Launch

Wrath will eventually be available for download online, but this might take some time to establish. A working DVD drive will be the only way to ensure you are ready to play on launch day. Otherwise, when we initiated the online download for Burning Crusade it took 2-3 weeks to get up and running. I'm not saying Wrath will take this long (I have no idea, it may) but don't expect it Day 1.

p.s. just had a 5am raid to kill Ironforge king

copeyhagen · 06-11-2008 10:30am

dirty coksuckers!!

do you reckon there will be a working torrent or somethin up soon?

Anti · 06-11-2008 12:09pm

afaik the game dosent hit the shops untill this monday, so i'd say any up on torrentsites/newsgroups and other warez networks are more then likely fake.

Also, just booked thursday and friday off work next week. And im more then willing to drive to belfast or cork to pick up a copy! Will even take my laptop and a 3gcard to download on the way back down

DRakE · 06-11-2008 12:23pm

Manties wrote: »

afaik the game dosent hit the shops untill this monday, so i'd say any up on torrentsites/newsgroups and other warez networks are more then likely fake.

Also, just booked thursday and friday off work next week. And im more then willing to drive to belfast or cork to pick up a copy! Will even take my laptop and a 3gcard to download on the way back down

lovetwix · 06-11-2008 12:33pm

anyone knows if HMV in cork will offer CE or not..

Dr Bob · 06-11-2008 12:35pm

Krieg wrote: »

Only 1 confirmed store in the republic that are doing a midnite sale according to blizzard.
http://media.wow-europe.com/wrath/midnight-opening/en/index.xml

HMV in cork

wonder if this is anything to do with part of blizzard support being based in Cork then?

Anti · 06-11-2008 1:33pm

DRakE wrote: »

whats meant to be ?

ven0m · 06-11-2008 1:35pm

Manties wrote: »

whats meant to be ?

an indication that he perhaps wants to turn it into a Moderator 1v1v1 .... ???

wooooo - think I need more poppity corn now!!!!!!

TheDoc · 06-11-2008 1:40pm

what pretty much everyone else thought mate, save your petrol money and effort and just get it like everyone else is haha

I find it so amusing at the pace at which people want to start this game.

We wil all get to 80 in the end, whats the rush, if your picknig this up to drill to 80, why do you bother playing wow

As much as end game is epic and all, i personally will be taking my time taking in the surroundings, like i did in vannila and tbc, and ill read every quest...and get in with the lore.

And then my DK will be the bestest DK on maelstrom :P

Anti · 06-11-2008 2:30pm

Im in no real rush to hit 80 since they decided to do away with the titles, but i'd just really like to get the game as early as possible just to look around.

Anti · 06-11-2008 2:31pm

ven0m wrote: »

an indication that he perhaps wants to turn it into a Moderator 1v1v1 .... ???

wooooo - think I need more poppity corn now!!!!!!

I've had my clashes with Ivan enough times, and he always wins. So im staying out of it

ven0m · 06-11-2008 2:38pm

Manties wrote: »

I've had my clashes with Ivan enough times, and he always wins. So im staying out of it

BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I made fresh popcorn & all ........ :mad:

Berns · 06-11-2008 2:48pm

Manties wrote: »

And im more then willing to drive to belfast or cork to pick up a copy! Will even take my laptop and a 3gcard to download on the way back down

Should be a Tesco that you could check in closer. Stuck deposit down on my CE from Gamestop in Belfast so gotta go down in the mornin,24hr Tesco just down the road from me though but they seem clueless so didnt wanna take the risk & prob not have the CE anyhow.

Dr Bob · 06-11-2008 3:04pm

Apparantly Game in Dawson st are doing it now:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6715741536&sid=1
(ah damn worng thread , theres one in general though about it (the "dubliners..." one)
no idea if thats true or not though..

Dustaz · 06-11-2008 3:32pm

*Horrificly offtopic*

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I'm getting pretty ****ing sick of your smart arse comments in anything i post tbh, if you have nothing constructive to say, stop trying to boost your post count.

Stop saying factually incorrect things then.

I'm not going to derail the thread on how "recessions" are fear mongering and caused by people stooping to the fear and stopping spending, I'm earning as much as ever and couldnt be finanically stabler....

Raining? It's not raining, im totally dry!
Agreed about not derailing the thread, but trying to deny that there is a worldwide financial crisis, ignoring the irish one, is a little silly.

Go read a book and stop trying to be a smart arse...

Ill be sure to look up the books that contain the words "financially stabler" in them.

*ON TOPIC*

Game again confirmed over the phone that they were opening midnight for this. They have stopped taking pre-orders though

06-11-2008 3:42pm

Dustaz wrote: »

*Horrificly offtopic*

Stop saying factually incorrect things then.

Raining? It's not raining, im totally dry!
Agreed about not derailing the thread, but trying to deny that there is a worldwide financial crisis, ignoring the irish one, is a little silly.

Ill be sure to look up the books that contain the words "financially stabler" in them.

*ON TOPIC*

Game again confirmed over the phone that they were opening midnight for this. They have stopped taking pre-orders though

so if you havn't pre-ordered you're ****ed then? Or will they have a few first come/first served?

pedro ferio-vti · 06-11-2008 3:50pm

Good man Dustaz, yer a great lad. This post makes me feel much more stabler about this forthcoming release.

ven0m · 06-11-2008 3:55pm

I will murder you all to get at my copy from game in dawson street at midnite ........ don't make me go all ret paladin on you all muahhahahahahahahaahhaha

Dustaz · 06-11-2008 3:59pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

so if you havn't pre-ordered you're ****ed then? Or will they have a few first come/first served?

the guy said that if you come down, you _should_ get a copy.

ven0m · 06-11-2008 4:01pm

Dustaz wrote: »

the guy said that if you come down, you _should_ get a copy.

I could kiss you right now for the good news, but it's unbecoming & I'm sure you no more want it than I do LOL .... not to metion I got three mods in here who will pwn my ass for my 1v1 cracks earlier in the thread ....

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

06-11-2008 4:06pm

that's gonna be the biggest collection of gay ever.

ven0m · 06-11-2008 4:09pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

that's gonna be the biggest collection of gay ever.

which the impending 1v1v1 fest of the mods?

:D:D:D:D

Dustaz · 06-11-2008 4:09pm

I wouldnt take my word for the absolute gospel truth venom. The guy on the phone both times had an air of "umm.. yeaaaah. sure were open" about him.

Id check again on monday to see if its any firmer.

See you there then rojo?

TheDoc · 06-11-2008 5:11pm

Game dawson st seems confirmed.

I'm well glad ive my copy secured alright...seems a growing amount of "panic"

ven0m · 06-11-2008 5:14pm

really hope they do have it, cos while I'm away I'd like to install the expansion & at least have something to do during the boring parts of my trip (and believe me - there will be some!!!)

06-11-2008 5:32pm

Dustaz wrote: »

I wouldnt take my word for the absolute gospel truth venom. The guy on the phone both times had an air of "umm.. yeaaaah. sure were open" about him.

Id check again on monday to see if its any firmer.

See you there then rojo?

I'll defo be going if there's a pretty good chance at getting a copy. What do midnight launches entail? I mean, is there going to be people queing from 8 or anything stupid like that?

Anti · 06-11-2008 5:35pm

ven0m wrote: »

I will murder you all to get at my copy from game in dawson street at midnite ........ don't make me go all ret paladin on you all muahhahahahahahahaahhaha

GTFO will ya

you've been uber nerfed now and are once again a healing/tnaking class. forgedaboutdpslol

ven0m · 06-11-2008 5:57pm

Manties wrote: »

GTFO will ya you've been uber nerfed now and are once again a healing/tnaking class. forgedaboutdpslol

but I don't even play Retard(in) ..... I play Mage .... LOL

** runs & hides from Manties **

DRakE · 06-11-2008 7:21pm

ven0m wrote: »

I could kiss you right now for the good news, but it's unbecoming & I'm sure you no more want it than I do LOL .... not to metion I got three mods in here who will pwn my ass for my 1v1 cracks earlier in the thread .... :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

for the second time in this thread, i am forced to post

ZorbaTehZ · 06-11-2008 8:45pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I mean, is there going to be people queing from 8 or anything stupid like that?

:rolleyes:

Horsefumbler · 06-11-2008 11:03pm

is there parking on dawson st. or anywhere nearby?

WellyJ · 07-11-2008 1:44am

Just to add more almost baseless speculation to this thread,

Was just picking up GOW2 at GAME Liffey Valley and the guy serving me said that they are not opening for WOTLK at midnight, and also that Dawson St. were NOT either.

His logic was that if Dawson one was opening, they would have to also.

So still no clue what is happening.

Orion · 07-11-2008 2:25am

It'd be hard for Liffey Valley to with the centre closed. But Dawson St can - it's on the street. So I wouldn't go by that.

No shop in Dublin opened at midnight for TBC afaik. Can't imagine the demand is there in Ireland for a midnight opening for Wrath either.

WellyJ · 07-11-2008 2:51am

Macros42 wrote: »

It'd be hard for Liffey Valley to with the centre closed. But Dawson St can - it's on the street. So I wouldn't go by that.

No shop in Dublin opened at midnight for TBC afaik. Can't imagine the demand is there in Ireland for a midnight opening for Wrath either.

I was just there though, at a midnight launch... in the centre.......

Ivan · 07-11-2008 2:52am

Right then, plan C. What times do these places open at?

07-11-2008 8:40am

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I hope someone points you out to me at the launch. You can make that face in front of me. Before I put your copy of wotlk up your arse like.

WoTLK Midnite Sales in Ireland?

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