Racist Unionists in the North of Ireland

markopantelic · 09-07-2009 11:41pm #1

Young racists have ordered immigrants to get out of Northern Ireland in days or face bomb attacks.

The chilling threat follows recent race-hate violence, which led to more than 100 Romanians fleeing their homes in Belfast.
A letter from the youth wing of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) was sent to the Belfast Islamic Centre, the Polish Association and Indian Community Centre.
It warned: "No sympathy for foreigners, get out of our Queen's country before our bonfire night (July 11) and parade day (July 12).
"Other than that your building will be blown up. Keep Northern Ireland white. Northern Ireland is only for white British."
The letter was marked Ulster Young Militants and bore the logo of far-right group Combat 18.
The police have said no organised group was behind the recent racist attacks.
But the Northern Ireland Council for Ethnic Minorities disputed that during a meeting in Belfast today.

Spokesman Patrick Yu said: "I think there is no doubt it was organised against those families."
The attacks on the homes of the Roma people in the mainly Protestant Village area of Belfast led to claims that Northern Ireland was the race-hate capital of Europe.
Victims were forced to shelter in a church, which was then damaged by vandals, before they were given emergency housing.
Mr Yu, executive director at the Northern Ireland Council for Ethnic Minorities (Nicem), said race-hate crime had grown steadily in recent years, with assaults, intimidation, harassment and robberies.
In March there was violence between Polish football fans and local supporters.
The Northern Ireland Executive of ministers has pledged to do its best to combat racism.

Dear oh dear.:rolleyes:

DB10 · 09-07-2009 11:42pm

The BNP of Northern Ireland. I thought they were decomissioning or something?

mike65 · 09-07-2009 11:44pm

Donegal?

marbar · 09-07-2009 11:44pm

lordy
what an incredible brand of idiots

anonymous_joe · 09-07-2009 11:47pm

Fairly inevitable reaction from a community that feels alienated and threatened.

DonJose · 09-07-2009 11:51pm

markopantelic wrote: »

Spokesman Patrick Yu said: "I think there is no doubt it was organised against those families."

I've always wondered why Patrick's twin brother Fuc never gets his quotes published.

markopantelic · 09-07-2009 11:51pm

How can they be alienated? They are a majority.

Whosbetter? · 09-07-2009 11:52pm

Sure, no probs.
We'll take all the Romas & give 'em loads of dosh.
We're an awful soft touch really.

10-07-2009 12:01am

mike65 wrote: »

Donegal?

What???

stovelid · 10-07-2009 12:01am

AH:

Well, obviously we really hate those Jaffa bastids we're outraged by this foul, racist attack on our multicultural brethren, but let's not be too sympathetic unless those free-loading Roma bastids are displaced down here the North must confront this malign cancer in their own society and learn to live together.

Dinter · 10-07-2009 12:02am

markopantelic wrote: »

It warned: "No sympathy for foreigners, get out of our Queen's country before our bonfire night (July 11) and parade day (July 12).

Jeez make up your minds lads, they can't do both.

markopantelic · 10-07-2009 12:03am

Lol very true stovelid. typical of this forum really.

mike65 · 10-07-2009 12:12am

salonfire wrote: »

What???

Well the north of Ireland is Donegal in my world

DoireNod · 10-07-2009 12:15am

Originally Posted by Ulster Young Militants
"No sympathy for foreigners, get out of our Queen's country before our bonfire night (July 11) and parade day (July 12).
"Other than that your building will be blown up. Keep Northern Ireland white. Northern Ireland is only for white British."

Seems they are boys men of few words.

I wonder can they be branded a 'terrorist' group?

amacachi · 10-07-2009 12:24am

Those lads do realise that they aren't British don't they?

K-9 · 10-07-2009 12:27am

Northern Ireland is only for white British.

They haven't really thought about this statement have they?

PrivateEye · 10-07-2009 12:29am

First of all I'm opposed to the idea of nationalism as a political identity. Thats not to say I don't have great respect for individuals that history has recorded as 'Irish nationalists' (Wolfe Tone, Liam Mellows, Frank Ryan....) but that I see the limitations of nationalism as a political ideology.

Still, one can not deny that in the North of Ireland there is a clear division between communities when it comes to the left and the right. When driving to Derry we passed a unionist community where 'F*CK GAZA!' was spraypainted onto a wall in giant letters, with an Israeli flag flying opposite. By 'Free Derry Corner' I seen anti-fascist graffiti and Starry Ploughs flying in the air. Why is there such a divide?

I think anonymous_joe is spot on. The unionist community feel like they are being chased from "their wee country" by not just a republican minority but now ethnic minorities, who by and large are more sympathetic to the republican side of the conflict on the basis that it has much stronger roots in internationalism and a class approach.

The same bigots that threaten Chinese families are not doubt eating Chinese takeaways. One has to ask why one community has a much, much worse problem with racism than the other. When the idea of superiority is central to your social and political identity, maybe such knee-jerk reactions are to be expected.

I'm not denying racism exists in republican areas, racism exists in all areas without fail. I just have an issue with the manner in which the media treat these things as the result of living in Northern Ireland, and a 'Northern Irish thing'. They're not. So far, they've shown themselves to be the actions of the far-right wing of unionism.

Its up to decent people in the unionist community to take brave steps towards kicking the fascists and racists out of their own community. The Visteon Factory occupation public demos showed cross-community action is possible. I've no doubt progressive elements in the republican community would support any such venture by the unionist community, on the basis that such steps would be progressive in the long-term.

If your politics revolve around the idea of being the top half of a two-tier system, can you be surprised when racism emerges?

Kick the fascists out of every community, before they gain too much influence in any community.

Dinter · 10-07-2009 12:29am

K-9 wrote: »

[/b]They haven't really thought about this statement have they?

I think they want to start some sort of house swopping scheme?

anonymous_joe · 10-07-2009 12:30am

markopantelic wrote: »

How can they be alienated? They are a majority.

Because they were a marginal majority that dominated a nation, they're now a marginal majority that has a marginally higher representation in their parliament.

Also, there's a lot less pandering to the working class unionists, as parties strive to become more middle class.

amacachi wrote: »

Those lads do realise that they aren't British don't they?

A lot of people don't realise it's a geographic term.

Overheal · 10-07-2009 12:33am

markopantelic wrote: »

Dear oh dear.:rolleyes:

Wipe the smug off your face.

10-07-2009 12:34am

amacachi wrote: »

Those lads do realise that they aren't British don't they?

They are. Anyone who holds a UK passport is known as 'British' - I've filled out enough bloody forms recently to know that for sure!

As for these muppets - you do get them in every country. I'd like to think their views weren't representative of the population as a whole, although there has been an alarming rise in racist attacks in my town. I get a lot of frosty stares when I go into shops until they hear my accent then it's all smiles and 'what gorgeous tanned skin, were ya on holidays?' :rolleyes:

PaulieD · 10-07-2009 12:34am

While this sort of thing is sickening and not needed in the present climate, Marko(the op) is not Irish. He is an immigrant himself. How does one say agenda in Latvian, Marko?

Brow beat the Irish into multiculturalism, its the only way it will work.

We need a clear debate on immigration, free from those with agendas, immigrants and racists, and need to decide, as Irish men and women, where we see ourselves as a country. We have absorbed mass amounts of immigrants during the last 10 years, with little or no discussion on the subject by our government. That has to change, people have grave fears and they cannot continue to be ignored.

Iskenderun · 10-07-2009 12:36am

If they are so patriotic, they should join the British Army and then go off and trash some unfortunate country.:mad:

admiralofthefleet · 10-07-2009 12:36am

mike65 wrote: »

Donegal?

mike

An Fear Aniar · 10-07-2009 12:37am

I'm glad it's the Unionists, they make our lot look good.:)

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Overheal · 10-07-2009 12:37am

PaulieD wrote: »

While this sort of thing is sickening and not needed in the present climate, Marko(the op) is not Irish. He is an immigrant himself. How does one say agenda in Latvian, Marko?

Brow beat the Irish into multiculturalism, its the only way it will work.

We need a clear debate on immigration, free from those with agendas, immigrants and racists, and need to decide, as Irish men and women, where we see ourselves as a country. We have absorbed mass amounts of immigrants during the last 10 years, with little or no discussion on the subject by our government. That has to change, people have grave fears and they cannot continue to be ignored.

There ya go.

Its the same thing in the Republic. The sentiment against foreigners has been building up for a while now. The fact that the tinder has sparked in the North first is unsurprising for the pure fact their modern history is stained with violence on all fronts.

Its a matter of time before hatecrime sprees start happening in Dublin.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 12:40am

i hate racists - in any community

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Because they were a marginal majority that dominated a nation, they're now a marginal majority that has a marginally higher representation in their parliament.

oh the poor people! are they persecuted now?

Euro_Kraut · 10-07-2009 12:40am

A thought at Bedtime; brought to you by Overheal.

Overheal wrote: »

Its a matter of time before hatecrime sprees start happening in Dublin.

An Fear Aniar · 10-07-2009 12:41am

Overheal wrote: »

Its the same thing in the Republic. The sentiment against foreigners has been building up for a while now.

It's happening all over Europe - judging by the European elections.

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markopantelic · 10-07-2009 12:41am

PaulieD wrote: »

While this sort of thing is sickening and not needed in the present climate, Marko(the op) is not Irish. He is an immigrant himself. How does one say agenda in Latvian, Marko?

Brow beat the Irish into multiculturalism, its the only way it will work.

We need a clear debate on immigration, free from those with agendas, immigrants and racists, and need to decide, as Irish men and women, where we see ourselves as a country. We have absorbed mass amounts of immigrants during the last 10 years, with little or no discussion on the subject by our government. That has to change, people have grave fears and they cannot continue to be ignored.

Mark Pantelic is a Serbian footballer who plays for Hertha Berlin.:rolleyes:

And no I'm not an immigrant, my grandparents were from Latvia.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 12:43am

dublin is not inherently racist (not all) and never since it has been irish governed had a minority pushing its will on majority
we do not feel we are better than other (except in a jokey way)

Overheal · 10-07-2009 12:43am

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

A thought at Bedtime; brought to you by Overheal.

Mind im out of the loop more or less so if im way late in my premonitions i apologise

PaulieD · 10-07-2009 12:43am

Overheal wrote: »

There ya go.

What do you mean by that? What was wrong with my post?

Dinter · 10-07-2009 12:43am

Overheal wrote: »

Its a matter of time before hatecrime sprees start happening in Dublin.

Possibly but on the same hand I don't think there are any youth organisations going to be issuing threats against immigrants down here. Nor do I believe we're going to see the same level of organisation as the Republic does not have recently unemployed gangs of practised intimidators at a loose end.

Overheal · 10-07-2009 12:46am

PaulieD wrote:

What do you mean by that? What was wrong with my post?

Just agreeing with you.

PrivateEye · 10-07-2009 12:46am

Irish nationalism is actually unique in a European context in that its roots are within the left and not the right. If you identify as a 'nationalist' in many parts of Europe odds are you're centre-right at least. In Ireland, most nationalist groups (Sinn Féin, Eirigí....) are clearly anti-racist and aligned on the left. Again, its the superiority compex, and siege mentality that tends to go hand in hand with Ulster Unionism that creates far-right pockets in that community.

In the height of a recession the Immigration Control Platform still performed rubbishly in Ireland, while the far-right cleaned up in Europe.

K-9 · 10-07-2009 12:47am

PaulieD wrote: »

We need a clear debate on immigration, free from those with agendas

That's is a few about here ruled out then.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 12:48am

we elected some center and lef wing meps

europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)

markopantelic · 10-07-2009 12:49am

same with netherlands.

K-9 · 10-07-2009 12:52am

PrivateEye wrote: »

Irish nationalism is actually unique in a European context in that its roots are within the left and not the right. If you identify as a 'nationalist' in many parts of Europe odds are you're centre-right at least. In Ireland, most nationalist groups (Sinn Féin, Eirigí....) are clearly anti-racist and aligned on the left. Again, its the superiority compex, and siege mentality that tends to go hand in hand with Ulster Unionism that creates far-right pockets in that community.

In the height of a recession the Immigration Control Platform still performed rubbishly in Ireland, while the far-right cleaned up in Europe.

It tends to show itself in EU Referenda when people discard the party lines.

FF, FG & Labour are still the dominant parties despite the PD's, Greens, SF and a few other parties throughout ROI history.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 12:53am

the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

did netherlands elect some left wing meps?

PaulieD · 10-07-2009 12:54am

K-9 wrote: »

That's is a few about here ruled out then.

Very true, immigration and its impacts have never, and I repeat never, been brought up in Leinster House during the last five years. Just how out of touch are these gombeens?

People on here seem to think we can mirror the USA and allow a myraid of cultures settle here, they are forgetting Montana, who have a similar population to Ireland, is ten times the size of Ireland.

Just how many foreigners can we absorb? Have we reached breaking point already?

K-9 · 10-07-2009 12:54am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

we elected some center and lef wing meps

europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)

markopantelic wrote: »

same with netherlands.

Barring those 2 exceptions, the far right did not make gains. They tend to be used as protest votes and don't make inroads overall in Europe.

PaulieD · 10-07-2009 12:56am

markopantelic wrote: »

same with netherlands.

How is it in your home country, Latvia, Marko Proud to be Jewish?

K-9 · 10-07-2009 12:59am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

we elected some center and lef wing meps

europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)

conchubhar1 wrote: »

the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

did netherlands elect some left wing meps?

conchubhar1 wrote:

the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

Ah right, so you are contradicting your quote above. So basically only 1 left wing MEP was elected, not some.

Edit: Sorry you did say centrist and left wing.

PaulieD wrote: »

Very true, immigration and its impacts have never, and I repeat never, been brought up in Leinster House during the last five years. Just how out of touch are these gombeens?

People on here seem to think we can mirror the USA and allow a myraid of cultures settle here, they are forgetting Montana, who have a similar population to Ireland, is ten times the size of Ireland.

Just how many foreigners can we absorb? Have we reached breaking point already?

Problem is you want to dismiss immigrants themselves from the debate.

markopantelic · 10-07-2009 12:59am

is that jewish line your party piece or something? getting really stale now tbh.

DoireNod · 10-07-2009 1:00am

PrivateEye wrote: »

Still, one can not deny that in the North of Ireland there is a clear division between communities when it comes to the left and the right. When driving to Derry we passed a unionist community where 'F*CK GAZA!' was spraypainted onto a wall in giant letters, with an Israeli flag flying opposite. By 'Free Derry Corner' I seen anti-fascist graffiti and Starry Ploughs flying in the air. Why is there such a divide?

The divide is there because the problem still exists. In Derry and other areas, nationalists show solidarity to similarly affected (colonialism, unjustified occupation and oppression for example) groups across the world for obvious reasons. However, it seems that unionists, by flying Israeli flags etc. are endorsing the type of mindset that is characterised by aggressive New-Zionism (basically endorsing imperialism?). Either that, or it's just a mindless action. Incidentally, the Starry Plough is a symbol of the Irish Citizen Army and the Irish National Liberation Army.

Kick the fascists out of every community, before they gain too much influence in any community.

Agree here. I don't understand how these people get away with such open aggression and blatant racism. Since 'terrorism' is the buzzword nowadays, I am shocked that this youth wing hasn't been branded as terrorist. Although I suppose that by being the youth wing of the UDA they are?

PrivateEye · 10-07-2009 1:00am

the far right did not make gains

Yep, they made massive gains. Saying that, I think it was merely as a result of liberal/left governments making up the majority of E.U governments at the time of the elections. There are 'socialists' (To use the term lightly, Gordon Browns party is a 'socialist party' in European terms:rolleyes:) in power all over Europe, so thus the right was due to capitalise on the ill-feeling towards politicians after the heavy-collapse stage of the European economy, merely on the back of being a protest vote.

Were the far-right in power all over Europe (and lets hope they never are!) its not unlikely Joe Higgins would have a few friends flying to Brussels. Basically, I think it was moreso a good election NOT to be a government figurehead, than a good election to be right-wing.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 1:01am

labour is considered left wing - you know that so petty petty point

joe is a ledge - didnt vote for him was rooting for him ahead of ryan tho (tit)

PaulieD · 10-07-2009 1:05am

markopantelic wrote: »

is that jewish line your party piece or something? getting really stale now tbh.

I enjoy exposing hypocrites, my Latvian amigo.

conchubhar1 · 10-07-2009 1:07am

you enjoy being an ass by the looks of it

Racist Unionists in the North of Ireland

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