Can the book be beaten ...long term?

carpothepunk wrote: »

Its no more or less likely really than any other tipster. Kid doesn't stick to one type of race anyway, he just tends to back things coming down in the handicap. Segal picks horses in big field TV handicaps because he has to. The kid is just as likely to go on a long losing run as tom segal or any other tipster is. Calling people mental for following a tipster who has the possibility of going on a long losing run is madness because that's exactly what people are doing here.

likely to do something and someone already having done it are two different things.
It does not matter what races they back in pricewise has already proven he goes on losing runs of 38 or more, the kid has n't.

carpothepunk wrote: »

But that doesn't increase or decrease the probability/possibility of it happening.

a question for you and only a one name answer.

If I was to give you €5k tomorrow and said you must put €100 on either

Pricewise or the kids next 50 bets and you can keep all returns

Who would you follow, don't forget just the name answer. please.

del roy wrote: »

Bumper
Don't forget poor old pricewise has to pick from the televised handicaps unlike the kid who can have a 2pt e/w in the 8.30 at wolverhamton on a friday night.

The above was four days ago,
its a simple question, which one?

carpothepunk wrote: »

So you are backing up my point? Obviously you pick the punter who can back wherever he so pleases. That has absolutely no bearing on a run of winners or losers, though.

Your clueless if you think that, we will leave it at that.

Good luck with your punting

carpothepunk wrote: »

Explain? The possibility/probability of a run of losers is much the same for both punters. One can back where he wishes, one has a finite amount of races he can back in, and the decision is made for him. The decision is simple.

one backs in a race where he feels/thinks he has a angle in
the other is told pick the winner of this 20 runner 5f sprint as its on channel 4

The possibility/probability of a run of losers is much the same for both punters.
No it is not the same, thats like saying all races are the same and there is no angle in any of them, slow pace, bad draw, jockey, they all matter.

Bank Holiday Monday

Irish National...Home Farm 2pt e/w 11/1
Yarmouth 2.25 Indus Valley 2pts e/w 8/1
Yarmouth 3.00 Bretherton 2pts e/w 10/1

the kid has a sense of humour, 8pts risked at fooking Yarmouth of all places, if one of them is not placed we will drop 12pts from the bank.

del roy wrote: »

Bank Holiday Monday

Irish National...Home Farm 2pt e/w 11/1
Yarmouth 2.25 Indus Valley 2pts e/w 8/1
Yarmouth 3.00 Bretherton 2pts e/w 10/1

the kid has a sense of humour, 8pts risked at fooking Yarmouth of all places, if one of them is not placed we will drop 12pts from the bank.

Just making sure these don't get buried in the other posts.

No bets today.

Bank +255.4pts
Starting bank 100pts
Profit +155.4pts

Started 9th December 2013

1/ 1.45 Vallani 8/1 2pts e/w 3rd
2/ 2.00 Monsieur Jamie 1pt e/w 8/1 unpl
3/ 7.50 Great Ability 12/1 2pts e/w unpl
4/ 2.00 Module 3/1 5pts unpl
5/ 3.15 mister dillion 2pts e/w 10/1 unpl
6/ 8.20 small john 2pts e/w 7/1 unpl
7/ 1.20 Riddleofthesands 4/1 2pts win unpl
8/ 3.35 Irish saint 2pts e/w 20/1 unpl
9/ 12.50 supreme carolina 1pt e/w 14/1 3rd
10/ 2.35 mountainous 1pt e/w 20/1 1st
11/ 3.30 vovalein 4pts win 7/2 2nd
12/ 1.55 aureate 9/1 2pts e/w unpl
13/ 9.15 sceilig 4pts win 2nd
14/ 1.35 Milan flyer. 2pts e/w 8/1 unpl
15/ 3.35 Saffran De Cotte 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
16/ 3.45 Archie rice 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
17/ 2.40 Irish thistle 5pts win 7/4 1st
18/ 4.00 lady bridget 1pt e/w 12/1 unpl
19/ 4.10 Admiral Blake 2pts e/w 9/1 1st
20/ 7.25 Ice apple 1pt e/w 10/1 3rd
21/ 4.05 Keep kicking 2pts e/w 6/1 1st
22/ 2.25 Irish saint 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
23/ 3.45 True to form 1pt e/w 14/1 unpl
24/ 2.30 fair comment 1pt e/w 8/1 unpl
25/ 3.10 Midnight charmer 2pts win 5/2 1st
26/ 3.00 Bennelong 1pt e/w 7/1 unpl
27/ 4.10 captain scoopy 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
28/ 2.40 hunters lodge 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
29/ 3.15 noble deed 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
30/ 3.15 money spider 1pt e/w 33/1 unpl
31/ 8.15 New Rich 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
32/ 2.55 Mr Marker 1pt e/w 14/1 1st r4 10c
33/ 2.30 ghost train 1pt e/w 14/1 2nd
34/ 2.50 scruffy tramp 2pts win 4/1 unpl
35/ 3.05 xaarcetet 1pt e/w. 14/1 unpl
36/ 3.15 bygone sovereign 1pt e/w. 12/1 unpl
37/ 1.45. Shan valley 3pts win 5/1 2nd
38/ 3.55 Dundee 2pts e/w 9/1 unpl
39/ 2.20 Vallani 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
40/ 6.50 Lisahane Bog 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
41/ 3.00 Profile Star 5pts win 5/1 2nd
42/ 5.10 true to form. 2pts e/w 12/1 1st
43/ 5.15 mikemccaan 3pts win. 3/1 unpl
44/ 4.20 pass the hat 1pt e/w 14/1 1st
45/ 3.20 Jezski 2pts e/w 9/1 1st
46/ 5.15 Royal Vacation 1/2pt e/w 40/1 unpl
47/ 6.15 Arabian Heights 3pts win 7/2
48/ 1.30 Double Ross 1pt e/w 14/1 3rd
49/ 2.05 Alaivan 2pts e/w. 14/1 unpl
50/ 3.15 Bob tucker 2pts e/w 10/1 unpl
51/ 3.45 Give me a break 1pt e/w 12/1 unpl
52/ 3.35 You Know Yourself 2pts e/w 9/1 unpl
53/ 5.00 Teide peak 3pts win 5/1 1st
54/ 4.05 Brocklebank 3pts win 4/1 2nd
55/ 3.10 Dundee 2pts e/w 12/1 2nd
56/ 1.30 Bright Applause 2pts win unpl
57/ 5.00 Brocklebank 2pts e/w 12/1 2nd
58/ 4.40 Chaval rouge 2pts e/w 25/1 unpl
59/ 4.00 hellbender 2pts e/w 15/2 unpl
60/ 5.00 Perfect passtime 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
61/ 3.20 Pierrer Bounty 2pt e/w 11/1 unpl
62/ 3.15 Jacks revenge 2pts e/w 16/1 unp
63/ 4.45 Monetary Fund 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
64/ 5.25 Dr Finley 4pts win 3/1 9/2 s.p 1st
65/ 4.15 Kings grey 2pts e/w 20/1 unpl
66/ 5.15 spirit of shankley 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
67/ 4.50 Pass the time. 2pts e/w. 16/1 unpl
68/ 4.15 One in a milan 1/2 point e/w 66/1 fell
69/ 4.15 Hawkes Point 1pt e/w 40/1 unpl
70/ 3.40 daring indian 2pts e/w 15/2 unpl
71/ 2.30 Oliver's mount 4 pts win. 5/1 1st
72/ 3.50 Godsmejudge 2pts e/w 16/1 2nd
73/ 4.00 Cape breton 2pts e/w 16/1 unpl
74/ 4.15 Zamra 2pts e/w 6/1 1st dh 13/2
75/ 4.40 barley mo 3pts win 5/1 unpl
76/ 4.25 Imperial leader 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
77/ 1.45 icebuster 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
78/ 3.30 Communicator 2pts e/w 11/1 3rd
79/ 3.15 Haydock Streams of Whiskey 2pts 18/1 1st
80/ 3.30 Kempton Circumvent 1pt e/w 14/1 4th
81/ 5.00 Home Farm 2pt e/w 11/1 unpl
82/ 2.25 Indus Valley 2pts e/w 8/1 unpl
83/ 3.00 Bretherton 2pts e/w 10/1 2nd


1000 Guineas Tapestery 3pts e/w 8/1 ?????
The Oaks Tapestery 2pts e/w 12/1 ?????

3.25 Salutation 2pts e/w 12/1


oh fook :eek: a Mark Johnson horse.

Think thats his first one since he started nearly six months ago.

Epsom Wednesday 3.25 Salutation 2pts e/w 12/1 paddypower/moneyback if anyone interested

May 3rd QIPCO 2000 GUINEAS 3.50pm Karakontie 33/1 2pts e/w skybet

Sh!t that was unlucky.4pts down the swany.

Epsom Wednesday 3.25 Salutation 2pts e/w 12/1

Wrong Mark Johnson horse plus the ante post loser make it a sore day for me but swings and roundabouts I suppose

Bank +247.4pts
Starting bank 100pts
Profit +147.4pts

Started 9th December 2013

1/ 1.45 Vallani 8/1 2pts e/w 3rd
2/ 2.00 Monsieur Jamie 1pt e/w 8/1 unpl
3/ 7.50 Great Ability 12/1 2pts e/w unpl
4/ 2.00 Module 3/1 5pts unpl
5/ 3.15 mister dillion 2pts e/w 10/1 unpl
6/ 8.20 small john 2pts e/w 7/1 unpl
7/ 1.20 Riddleofthesands 4/1 2pts win unpl
8/ 3.35 Irish saint 2pts e/w 20/1 unpl
9/ 12.50 supreme carolina 1pt e/w 14/1 3rd
10/ 2.35 mountainous 1pt e/w 20/1 1st
11/ 3.30 vovalein 4pts win 7/2 2nd
12/ 1.55 aureate 9/1 2pts e/w unpl
13/ 9.15 sceilig 4pts win 2nd
14/ 1.35 Milan flyer. 2pts e/w 8/1 unpl
15/ 3.35 Saffran De Cotte 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
16/ 3.45 Archie rice 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
17/ 2.40 Irish thistle 5pts win 7/4 1st
18/ 4.00 lady bridget 1pt e/w 12/1 unpl
19/ 4.10 Admiral Blake 2pts e/w 9/1 1st
20/ 7.25 Ice apple 1pt e/w 10/1 3rd
21/ 4.05 Keep kicking 2pts e/w 6/1 1st
22/ 2.25 Irish saint 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
23/ 3.45 True to form 1pt e/w 14/1 unpl
24/ 2.30 fair comment 1pt e/w 8/1 unpl
25/ 3.10 Midnight charmer 2pts win 5/2 1st
26/ 3.00 Bennelong 1pt e/w 7/1 unpl
27/ 4.10 captain scoopy 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
28/ 2.40 hunters lodge 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
29/ 3.15 noble deed 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
30/ 3.15 money spider 1pt e/w 33/1 unpl
31/ 8.15 New Rich 2pts e/w 8/1 1st
32/ 2.55 Mr Marker 1pt e/w 14/1 1st r4 10c
33/ 2.30 ghost train 1pt e/w 14/1 2nd
34/ 2.50 scruffy tramp 2pts win 4/1 unpl
35/ 3.05 xaarcetet 1pt e/w. 14/1 unpl
36/ 3.15 bygone sovereign 1pt e/w. 12/1 unpl
37/ 1.45. Shan valley 3pts win 5/1 2nd
38/ 3.55 Dundee 2pts e/w 9/1 unpl
39/ 2.20 Vallani 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
40/ 6.50 Lisahane Bog 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
41/ 3.00 Profile Star 5pts win 5/1 2nd
42/ 5.10 true to form. 2pts e/w 12/1 1st
43/ 5.15 mikemccaan 3pts win. 3/1 unpl
44/ 4.20 pass the hat 1pt e/w 14/1 1st
45/ 3.20 Jezski 2pts e/w 9/1 1st
46/ 5.15 Royal Vacation 1/2pt e/w 40/1 unpl
47/ 6.15 Arabian Heights 3pts win 7/2
48/ 1.30 Double Ross 1pt e/w 14/1 3rd
49/ 2.05 Alaivan 2pts e/w. 14/1 unpl
50/ 3.15 Bob tucker 2pts e/w 10/1 unpl
51/ 3.45 Give me a break 1pt e/w 12/1 unpl
52/ 3.35 You Know Yourself 2pts e/w 9/1 unpl
53/ 5.00 Teide peak 3pts win 5/1 1st
54/ 4.05 Brocklebank 3pts win 4/1 2nd
55/ 3.10 Dundee 2pts e/w 12/1 2nd
56/ 1.30 Bright Applause 2pts win unpl
57/ 5.00 Brocklebank 2pts e/w 12/1 2nd
58/ 4.40 Chaval rouge 2pts e/w 25/1 unpl
59/ 4.00 hellbender 2pts e/w 15/2 unpl
60/ 5.00 Perfect passtime 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
61/ 3.20 Pierrer Bounty 2pt e/w 11/1 unpl
62/ 3.15 Jacks revenge 2pts e/w 16/1 unp
63/ 4.45 Monetary Fund 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
64/ 5.25 Dr Finley 4pts win 3/1 9/2 s.p 1st
65/ 4.15 Kings grey 2pts e/w 20/1 unpl
66/ 5.15 spirit of shankley 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
67/ 4.50 Pass the time. 2pts e/w. 16/1 unpl
68/ 4.15 One in a milan 1/2 point e/w 66/1 fell
69/ 4.15 Hawkes Point 1pt e/w 40/1 unpl
70/ 3.40 daring indian 2pts e/w 15/2 unpl
71/ 2.30 Oliver's mount 4 pts win. 5/1 1st
72/ 3.50 Godsmejudge 2pts e/w 16/1 2nd
73/ 4.00 Cape breton 2pts e/w 16/1 unpl
74/ 4.15 Zamra 2pts e/w 6/1 1st dh 13/2
75/ 4.40 barley mo 3pts win 5/1 unpl
76/ 4.25 Imperial leader 2pts e/w 14/1 unpl
77/ 1.45 icebuster 1pt e/w 16/1 unpl
78/ 3.30 Communicator 2pts e/w 11/1 3rd
79/ 3.15 Haydock Streams of Whiskey 2pts 18/1 1st
80/ 3.30 Kempton Circumvent 1pt e/w 14/1 4th
81/ 5.00 Home Farm 2pt e/w 11/1 unpl
82/ 2.25 Indus Valley 2pts e/w 8/1 unpl
83/ 3.00 Bretherton 2pts e/w 10/1 2nd
84/ 3.25 Salutation 2pts e/w 12/1 unpl
85/ 2000 guineas bet N.R loss 4pts

1000 Guineas Tapestery 3pts e/w 8/1 ?????
The Oaks Tapestery 2pts e/w 12/1 ?????

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Del (if you don't mind me asking) what are you betting to a point?

Even with a clean skybet a/c I don't know anyone who can get a bet to win much with them (day of the race at Cheltenham the exception but still not a whole ton).

2pts ew at 33s returns 41.25pts profit. You'd be lucky to get a score ew at 33s with em in my experience

If you don't want to disclose fair enough, a man's stakes are his own business!

No problem mate
I am betting €40 a point and like you I laughed at the kid when he said what he had on with each book however he was on the ball how to do it but if you don't mind I will pm you after this thread is finished, you will find it very funny as it invovles my five sisters and 1 brother, the sh!t I had to do to get a few bob out of them bookies plus numberous accounts closed.
one after winning just €612.

Someone on here said the bookies don't bother with threads like this, I find that hard to be believe because I have had accounts closed with very little winnings that were linked to this thread, two on the same day after dr Finley won 9/2.

scrap003 wrote: »

can you not just use a betfair account?

Scrap
The night before on betfair the market is brutal lucky to get a score matched at the odds you want unless its a big meeting