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!! Irish / Gaeilge HL ... predictions, guesses, discussion ...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Jijsaw


    Peg14 wrote: »
    Well I think I'll know a bit about Tourism, Travel, Seandaoine, Media, Sport, Education System, Politics, Young People problems, Crime. Lots of people are also thinking the health system so maybe I will look at that too.

    Now that you say it like that, homelessness as an essay an doesn't seem that bad at all!!

    Everything can be adapted in a language.
    Problems in GAA: Alcohol, drug abuse, bullying between teams if you're desperate
    Unemployment: (If you haven't learnt off unemployment) Unemployment leads to drug and alcohol abuse

    Essentially everything leads to drugs and alcohol abuse so yeah learn off drugs and alcohol :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Peg14


    Definitely
    An who said Irish was hard? It is a piece of cake!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭OMGeary


    Better off learning topics than actual essays, stuff like daoine gan dídean and fadhbanna soisialta that can be slotted into most essays


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Peg14


    I could never learn off an 'essay' for Irish. So boring like


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    Hi guys, I'm currently freaking out over An Triail. I had so much other work to do I kept pushing it to the back, and now the Leaving Certs nearly here and I haven't touched on it since the mocks
    I was just wondering if anyone could break down what I need to know for it, i.e in terms of characters, themes, etc. or is their a certain answer I can learn and apply to everything?
    Also, what's everyone predicting/hoping to come up?

    Thanks guys!


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    Have Sport, Seandaoine, The Media, and half of politics, and racism learned. Will I be ok?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Jijsaw


    Peg14 wrote: »
    I could never learn off an 'essay' for Irish. So boring like

    Same here, I learn key phrases and words. Sometimes the beginnings and endings and compile them altogether with previous knowledge.
    I need around 80/100 (or more, hopefully) in the essay so hopefully it goes well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 MegLC


    RoRo979 wrote: »
    seandaoine people, her is some notes on health system, contains a bit of old people, not a full essay abviously but a start, ill scout for some more info soon :)

    Cursaí Sláinte

    Tá a lán fadhbanna ag baint leis an córas sláinte atá againn sa tír seo sa lá atá inniú ann. Is minic a chloistear daoine ag gearán faoi na hospidéal.
    Bíonn daoine ag fanacht ar feadh lá nó dhó sna seomraí éigeandáil ar fud na tire agus aire ag teastáil uathu. Bíonn seandaoine ar tralaí ar feadh cúpla lá. Níl sé sin ceart . Bíonn na seomraí eigindil plódaithe le daoine agus bíonn na banaltraí agus na dochtúirí ró-ghnóthach chun aire a thabairt le gach duine. Mar sin tagan a lán galair ó na hospidéal ina measc MRSA oisc nach bhfuil siad ghlan. Níl na dochtúirí agus na banaltraí ag glanadh a lámha agus mar sin tá ionfhabhtú coitianta sna hospidéal.
    Tá níos mó dochtúirí agus banaltraí ag teastál uainn. Ba cheart go mbedh na pointí do leigheas níos isle is go mbeadh agallaimh i bhfeidhm freisin. Ba cheart go mbeadh dlíthe nua i bhfeidhm ar na comhairleacha mar go han mhinic ní bíonn siad i láthair sna hospidéal nuair atá fáthmheas. Faigheann siad a lán airgead gach blian agus ba cheart go ndéanann siad jab maith.
    Tá nasc láidir idir na drugaí agus an t-alcól agus an mbrú ata ar na hospidéal. Tá a lán handúiligh againn sa tír seo agus tá ar an rialtas clinicí lae a hoscailt chun iad a athshlánaigh. Tá brú ar an córas sláinte daoine a fháil chun obair a dhéanamh sna clinicí lae. Go han-mhinic chuireann na handúiligh daine eile isteach sna seomraí eigindála mar ionsaíonn siad daoine neamhurchóideacha ar na sráideanna agus gortaíonn na handúiligh iad
    Tá a fhios agam go bhfuil a lán fadhbanna sa córas sláinte sa tír seo, na daoine ag fanacht, an méad airgead ag dul isteach agus ní dhéanann sé faic, na galair a thagann óna hospidéal ós rud é nach bhfuil siad ghlan ach nuair a feicimid ar an córas sláinte atá i Meiriceá tá an t-ádh linn i ndáiríre. Níl ach aire príobháideach ann. Nuair a mbíonn daoine tinn go minic ní íocann na comhlachtaí amach an airgead agus bíonn bonás ag na dochtúirí sna chás sin mar tá níos mó airgead ag na comhlachtaí. Mar sin ní faigheann daoine an aire atá ag teastáil uathu. Tá scannán faisnéise ag Micheal Moore ab ainm “Sicko” ag caint faoin gcóras sláintiúl Meiriceá. Tá aire i bhfad níos fearr ag na coipigh agus na sceimhlitheoirí i Guantanamo Bay ná tá ag an phobail.
    Le deireadh tá an t-ádh linn i gcomparáid Meiriceá ach i ndairíre tá a lán athruaithe ag teastáil sa córas sláinte atá againn.

    Thanks a million :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    What if it's over 600 words?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Emma_19


    You know the réamhfhocal "do". What happens when do is follow by a vowel e.g "do" + "Oisin" does it become do hOisin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭CBGirl


    Emma_19 wrote: »
    You know the réamhfhocal "do". What happens when do is follow by a vowel e.g "do" + "Oisin" does it become do hOisin?

    No, it would be d'Oisin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Mahnoor12383


    By any chance would anyone have a really good essay on teicneolaíocht,like that would get me an A1 or even an A2 would be ok cos I had one but I've lost it as well as my notes on the topic and I don't think my teacher would have any notes on it now cos we did the essay last year. I would reaaallllyyyyy appreciate if someone could give me one or even send me a link or something.Thanks! :))


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Mahnoor12383


    KatieG6 wrote: »
    Irish:

    Poems:
    Geibheann or Colscaradh
    (These poems were never asked)

    Stories:
    Cáca Milis or An Gnáthrud
    (Also never asked)

    Essays:
    Foreigean (Violence)

    Tallaí Uisce (Water Charges)

    (My irish teacher said that these are topical.
    She thinks that there has been a lot of stabbings, violence and influence from the programme Love/Hate etc.

    She also thinks that water charges are very topical along with politics.

    English:
    Eilean Ní Chuilleanáin
    John Montague
    (New female on the course, Emily Dickinson and WB yeats were asked already)

    For Irish (HL) do u think they would ask Dis again cos apparently it was answered badly last year and do u think an essay on daoine gan didean or an gcoras oideachas could come up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭RoRo979


    For Irish (HL) do u think they would ask Dis again cos apparently it was answered badly last year and do u think an essay on daoine gan didean or an gcoras oideachas could come up?

    i think both of those essay titles are likely, im not covering Dis or an spailpin fanach whatsoever, im covering the 2 that havnt pretty well, then the 2012 stuff half arsed and not going near last years or 2 years ago


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭9de5q7tsr8u2im


    RoRo979 wrote: »
    i think both of those essay titles are likely, im not covering Dis or an spailpin fanach whatsoever, im covering the 2 that havnt pretty well, then the 2012 stuff half arsed and not going near last years or 2 years ago
    We're just doing an gnáthrud and cacá mílis!
    Hopefully we're ok :S


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  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    How does one study An Triail? What topics do you cover?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Peg14


    oktplz wrote: »
    How does one study An Triail? What topics do you cover?

    I do character notes - trait and then example where you see this trait
    Hypocrisy - only theme you really need to know as it all links
    Dramatic Techniques as well
    Sorted!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    I'll post Irish first and see if there's any interest in the post :-)

    Irish:
    Geibheann or Colscaradh.
    Gnathrud or Caca Milis.
    Aiste: Natural Disasters or Global Warming


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    Do the institute often get these right? I'm interested!


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    Peg14 wrote: »
    I do character notes - trait and then example where you see this trait
    Hypocrisy - only theme you really need to know as it all links
    Dramatic Techniques as well
    Sorted!

    Cheers! :D


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    What a strange first post. Welcome to boards.

    You do know the SEC will be very interested if there is anyone (in a school or business) claiming to have inside info on what is coming up on papers?

    Have you cleared this with the business you mention?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    There are 1000 students in 6th year in the Institute, and well over half of us are spread out to different centres all over the country, usually the nearest exam centre to where we attended school before sixth year. So, no, there will not be replicas of the one essay being produced on the day, to answer the question :-)

    Irish essays quite important to note:
    Daoine gán didean (homelessness)
    Uisce (as a debate)
    Téamh Domhanda & Tubaistí Nádurtha (global warming and natural disasters)
    The life of a teenager

    I think that's about it in terms of essays, the main ones!

    We're keeping an eye on Caoineadh Airt O'Laoighre and Colmain, for the extra poetry question, and if anyone has done both the extra poetry and An Triail, it's strongly advised to stick with the poetry Q's, as they are generally easier to answer and straight forward in comparison.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Can you clarify that you have permission from the people in the institute to make these claims?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭9de5q7tsr8u2im


    Is jimmy in 'an gnáthrud 'catholic or protestant again , getting confused here!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    spurious wrote: »
    Can you clarify that you have permission from the people in the institute to make these claims?

    no i'm only saying myself???


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 tcofla


    spurious wrote: »
    What a strange first post. Welcome to boards.

    You do know the SEC will be very interested if there is anyone (in a school or business) claiming to have inside info on what is coming up on papers?

    Have you cleared this with the business you mention?

    What did he say?


  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭RoRo979


    Is jimmy in 'an gnáthrud 'catholic or protestant again , getting confused here!

    we dont actally know but can take the assumption he is protestant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭9de5q7tsr8u2im


    RoRo979 wrote: »
    we dont actally know but can take the assumption he is protestant

    Oh right cus i thought he is because he called his daughters elizabeth and margaret.
    Whats the story with their house, was it owned by catholics or something, the book is made on about it and dont understand :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭RoRo979


    Oh right cus i thought he is because he called his daughters elizabeth and margaret.
    Whats the story with their house, was it owned by catholics or something, the book is made on about it and dont understand :/

    ye i noticed that point about the children aswell, never knew about the house, all i know is that its bough off "housing executive"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 Ag_science2015


    RoRo979 wrote: »
    ye i noticed that point about the children aswell, never knew about the house, all i know is that its bough off "housing executive"

    not sure what religion they are but I think they bought a house in the other religions area


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    oktplz wrote: »
    Do the institute often get these right? I'm interested!
    Predictions are like throwing darts blindfolded. Occasionally you'll hit the dartboard; very occasionally you'll hit the bullseye.

    Those who spend a lot of their time practising playing darts blindfolded will probably hit the dartboard slightly more often.

    Then again, my granny could have a go and hit the bullseye 3 times in a row by sheer luck! :P

    My general advice would be to pay little attention to predictions; remember Plathgate, or Heaney not appearing last year ... and that's just famous examples from one part of one paper for one subject! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    If anything but the 2 stories & poetry comes up I'm screwed.

    With the essays, I've nothing on Water Charges or the environment, I'm a bit worried about that but I have about 7 so I should be OK. I think Mean Cumarsaide/Idirlíon/Social Networks will come up in some format.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    Predictions are like throwing darts blindfolded. Occasionally you'll hit the dartboard; very occasionally you'll hit the bullseye.

    Those who spend a lot of their time practising playing darts blindfolded will probably hit the dartboard slightly more often.

    Then again, my granny could have a go and hit the bullseye 3 times in a row by sheer luck! :P

    My general advice would be to pay little attention to predictions; remember Plathgate, or Heaney not appearing last year ... and that's just famous examples from one part of one paper for one subject! ;)

    I'd normally avoid predictions too, but in the case of Irish, when
    the paper is set around November, its interesting to have a look at
    what is going on in the media at the time, vs. what comes up on the paper!
    Hence the logic behind thinking Water is a likely topic for an essay, debate or speech!
    Homelessness is another favourite, it was in the news at that time particularly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Well, in fairness, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole water debacle appeared on some paper, somewhere, given its currency.

    Or it could appear on a few papers in some form ...

    ... or no paper at all, because every set of paper setters reckoned it would appear on every other paper, and deliberately avoided it!! :pac:


    head_explodes.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ThatsTheShtuff


    Well, in fairness, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole water debacle appeared on some paper, somewhere, given its currency.

    Or it could appear on a few papers in some form ...

    ... or no paper at all, because every set of paper setters reckoned it would appear on every other paper, and deliberately avoided it!! :pac:


    Point taken. FML


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    My general advice would be to pay little attention to predictions; remember Plathgate, or Heaney not appearing last year ... and that's just famous examples from one part of one paper for one subject! ;)

    The SEC published their report on the predictability of papers this year, so you would expect it to have some impact, even where existing perceived patterns exist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Broseph


    spurious wrote: »
    It depends what happens following the report and the investigation.

    Sometimes results are withheld for that subject.

    Learned off essays are a very dangerous strategy and to be fair, should not be necessary at all at HL. It's not that difficult a language.

    Hi spurious. I'm almost 100% sure that if an examiner corrects 30 very similar essays that were clearly learned off by heart by everyone in the class, they dont report it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Broseph wrote: »
    Hi spurious. I'm almost 100% sure that if an examiner corrects 30 very similar essays that were clearly learned off by heart by everyone in the class, they dont report it.

    Learned off essays are not reported. No more than they wud be for learned answers for any other question, or indeed, for any other subject.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Learned off essays are not reported. No more than they wud be for learned answers for any other question, or indeed, for any other subject.

    Where exactly the same answers are consistently found in a centre, an examiner should consult their advising examiner about it.

    I say that as a previous examiner, not someone guessing about what happens.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭RoRo979


    should be reported but i assume isnt. just like how examiners during the practical "should" report things but my teacher was going around bulding peoples pieces for them and we were all talking haha.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Let me advise people again, the SEC have already contacted boards about statements being made regarding exams.
    Be careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    spurious wrote: »
    Where exactly the same answers are consistently found in a centre, an examiner should consult their advising examiner about it.

    I say that as a previous examiner, not someone guessing about what happens.

    I've been giving essays to learn to Irish classes for about 15 years, have reviewed scripts (grade queries) containing the learned material and there's never been an issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭IrishLoriii


    For Ordinary level if you learn the summary of the poems, themes, emotions, images and if/why you like the poem is that all you really need to know?? They aren't going to go too hard on the ordinary level am I right in thinking?? :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 cara15


    oktplz wrote: »
    Hi guys, I'm currently freaking out over An Triail. I had so much other work to do I kept pushing it to the back, and now the Leaving Certs nearly here and I haven't touched on it since the mocks
    I was just wondering if anyone could break down what I need to know for it, i.e in terms of characters, themes, etc. or is their a certain answer I can learn and apply to everything?
    Also, what's everyone predicting/hoping to come up?

    Thanks guys!

    There's no need to be worried at all really, you've time yet! 2 weeks of hard work can cover so much, believe me! Anyway, if you think about it this way: An triail takes up only 40 marks out of paper 2, which is 200 marks altogether. Paper 1 is 160 marks while your oral is a total of 240 marks. This means that an triail only covers approx 7% of your paper, and assuming you will be able to get at least half marks in this your grade would not be highly affected if you have the rest of the course covered really well!

    However to answer your question there really is a fair bit you do have to know, but it isn't that hard to cover if you do it right. You're going to get one 40 mark question, which will generally ask you about 1 or two characters and the part/role they play in the tragedy of Máire's life(or something along those lines). So really the question is basically Páirt agus Baint! Last year Bean Uí Chathasaigh came up, it won't be coming up again *almost* DEFINITELY! The year before that it was Pádraig, so safe betting it wont be him either. I would always suggest learning a lot on Maire anyway because she applies to every answer.

    What you need to do is pick your characters and learn the part they play and the influence they had on Máire. Some characters to keep and eye out for would be;
    larger characters such as
    -Bean Uí Chinsealaigh(not to be mixed up with Máire's mother, a great one to write about)
    -Mailí
    and minor characters including
    -Liam/Sean
    -an bainisteoir
    -Áine ní b
    -colm
    -seanín
    -an sagart

    That's it really, what else could you be expected to know! Good luck in June m'dear <3


  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭oktplz


    cara15 wrote: »
    There's no need to be worried at all really, you've time yet! 2 weeks of hard work can cover so much, believe me! Anyway, if you think about it this way: An triail takes up only 40 marks out of paper 2, which is 200 marks altogether. Paper 1 is 160 marks while your oral is a total of 240 marks. This means that an triail only covers approx 7% of your paper, and assuming you will be able to get at least half marks in this your grade would not be highly affected if you have the rest of the course covered really well!

    However to answer your question there really is a fair bit you do have to know, but it isn't that hard to cover if you do it right. You're going to get one 40 mark question, which will generally ask you about 1 or two characters and the part/role they play in the tragedy of Máire's life(or something along those lines). So really the question is basically Páirt agus Baint! Last year Bean Uí Chathasaigh came up, it won't be coming up again *almost* DEFINITELY! The year before that it was Pádraig, so safe betting it wont be him either. I would always suggest learning a lot on Maire anyway because she applies to every answer.

    What you need to do is pick your characters and learn the part they play and the influence they had on Máire. Some characters to keep and eye out for would be;
    larger characters such as
    -Bean Uí Chinsealaigh(not to be mixed up with Máire's mother, a great one to write about)
    -Mailí
    and minor characters including
    -Liam/Sean
    -an bainisteoir
    -Áine ní b
    -colm
    -seanín
    -an sagart

    That's it really, what else could you be expected to know! Good luck in June m'dear <3

    So sound, thank you so much for that! :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭Stooped


    How long should I spend on the comprehensions?


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 jgirl18


    Hi guys,

    Can anyone help, i'm a mature student going back to repeat my Irish but i've found no notes whatsoever on A Thig Na Thit Orm. I can see that the pattern over the past number of years has been questions on his humor and about him growing up in the Ghaelteacht. Do you think that is what will come up again this year or could they just decide change it and ask about England and USA? Also, how much would you want to be writing on this question?

    Also, is there any chance anyone is studying Lasaire Choille for the pros?

    Thanks so much in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Frainc


    jgirl18 wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    Can anyone help, i'm a mature student going back to repeat my Irish but i've found no notes whatsoever on A Thig Na Thit Orm. I can see that the pattern over the past number of years has been questions on his humor and about him growing up in the Ghaelteacht. Do you think that is what will come up again this year or could they just decide change it and ask about England and USA? Also, how much would you want to be writing on this question?

    Also, is there any chance anyone is studying Lasaire Choille for the pros?

    Thanks so much in advance.

    Boards won't let me post a link but if you go to Skoool .ie you will find decent notes on that book, go to examcentre on the website and youll find them or google A Thig Ná Tit Orm and itll be the third link

    there are revision books in easons which cost roughly 6 euro to purchase.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    jgirl18, I've moved your post from the 2012 thread to the current thread where you should get more replies. Best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Frainc


    Im strongly considering only studying Caca Milis, An Gnathrud and Dis for the pros part and
    An Spailpin Fanach, Mo Ghra Sa and An tEarrach Thiar for the poems part of Ordinary Level Irish..
    Is this too risky do you think? I cannot see them throwing too many risks at OL Irish..thoughts???

    Don't think Seal i Neipeal/Gnáthrud came up ever, so its likely to come up this year, i wouldn't risk it


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