Eirtakon 2014 || Friday 21/11 - Sunday 23/11

Gonna be in london at this time, gutted

Nuu, I wish project M wasnt 2 hrs and on at 7pm haha

my wallet is willing but my soul is weak and spongy

Best of luck wit the event!

Ggs guys, on my phone still at the con. We'll gets some games in sometime Doyler!

Shout outs to var [] ; Team Team Aammm the pub quiz beasts. (Onion)

They couldn't setup a system link, so they ran it via xbox live using the venues poo internet. So the team on the host xbone had an insane advantage.

Every match the team without host would lag horribly and even go blackscreen while the other team owned them.

They spent most of the day actually trying over and over again to connect to the host lobby as it kept losing connection.

So me and Lee played Semi finals on a 4 way split screen cus this xbl nonsense wasn't working.

The 2 we were against in finals were the 2 running it all day and we were quite friendly with them. They "Bagsied" player 1 and 2 for the split screen. But then went on to try AGAIN to connect the 2 xbones while one of them sat comfortably on the host xbone. Before the match started I asked if we could have that xbox and they said "No way, we know all about host!"

Ok fair enough, so the match starts and 1 min in, me and Lee start lagging rottenly and die. Come out of blackscreen to see I'm waiting to spawn. I mention it to them and straight away they're not happy about it. They claimed it wasn't lagging.... after spending about 2 hours over the whole day dealing with connection issues.. they claimed it wasn't laggy. Ok :rolleyes:

Straight away they're dejected, and I'm genuinely confused as to what is wrong with them. I thought they would WANT a fair grand finals for the game they spent their entire day running. I thought that like any true competitor, they would want to become champs fairly and earn it! I was wrong.

I suggested that we play a split screen match so its fair, like they had us do for semi finals. But the girl immediately claimed that screen hacking is unfair. I let her know that we would all be looking at the same TV so it cannot actually be "unfair"... to which she replied something like "Well, I just don't believe in it and I won't do it so it will be unfair on us." Ok it's not ideal, but playing over xbl is just so unfair it totally defeats the purpose of a tournament I said.
They then claimed that there is no disadvantage to using the non host xbox, so I suggested that they used that one... And ofcourse they wouldn't.
So about now I straight up confront them and point out they clearly just want to cheat to win.

The greenshirt running Halo (bffs with the 2 we were against) then suggested that we play again, them on host, and if it lags.. me and Lee put our hands in the air and then all 4 of us put our pads on the table until the lag passes.. This apparently was the rule for dealing with lag all day that the 3 of them came up with.

MFW

Because they knew they were trying to cheat us, and couldn't argue their stance at all, they made the conversation needlessly confrontational. Since they weren't getting their way and couldn't argue it, they just acted like we were fighting when it was just a chat over a game. They all had an extreme lack of social skills. It was extremely awkward as I was left alone the entire time by my wonderful teammate Lee to deal with these 3 wonderful creatures currently on their annual venture outside. I alone had to listen to their pathetic idiotic reasoning and rotten attitudes. Both males actually got in my face at times..

When I offered them to play us either on 4way split screen or over xbl but me and Lee on host (Which they are claiming makes no difference), they then started claiming we don't have time to set that up..
(note, this discussion went on for another 30 mins i'd say before the match finally started and the actual match had a 5min limit)

I've never had to deal with such childishness in charge of a situation. They knew I was in the right but couldn't admit it or even coherently argue their stance at all. Instead they just dropped lines like "This is how the tournament has been run all day, and we already had to use the bad xbox. I don't believe in screenhacking.. its UNFAIR. It's just... sigh.... we've been at this all day so... ....... ............."
Whenever I suggested that they choose either give us host or play on split screen they would just sigh and sit there like dopes. They called over other friends working at Eirtakon to back them up. One absolute gremlin yoke kept coming over and saying something with a snotty face on her but I didn't understand once.

So eventually we had to get Sinead and some other yellow shirts of Eirtakon come and deal with the situation. Whatever they decided would be final.
After hearing what both teams had to say they went off to make a decision.
I said we should play on split screen because xbl is a complete joke, and that if they insist on xbl, then we should get host or 1 per team on the host xbone. Again they just moaned instead of making any point about the actual situation.

The yellows decided we would play on 4way split screen, but me and Lee would have to win 2 games, and team nomates would only have to win 1 game.

Me and Lee were delighted, here's our chance to show our dominance on an even playing field... twice.

Game starts and xbone freezes..

They then suggest a pot split which we accepted for the lols and to get away from them. 20 buck voucher for game stop for each team. Collusion.

Ken and others said that every year there's issues in Halo featuring these 2. I'm not surprised as they were honestly some of the dumbest and worst people I've ever had to deal with. I would have walked away much sooner as I didn't give a crap about the prize. But I couldn't stand idly by and watch such injustice and a lack of dignity.

On the plus side, the whole thing was hilarious for me and the fgc. Yo e-sports.

Linoud wrote: »

Tbh just ban them from entering next year is the easiest solution. I know all the people who've had to deal with them just don't enter the Halo Tournament anymore to avoid them, even if they win while dealing with them. It's just hassle.

Last year they complained they weren't allowed used their custom controllers and headsets in the tournament.

Year before that they complained and called me and my mate Shane out on "camping" when we beat them fairly on a map they chose and chose the spawns for so they'd be closer to powerweapons.

They're just really dramatic and whiny and have no sense of fair play at all.

I've heard more Halo stories from other con-goers involving these two, many more.

I've got stories for days about the dramatic antics of these two. They're the worst when it comes to Halo tournaments. They don't care about FairPlay and they're horrifically unsportsmanlike.
I've had a few people come to me about the drama at this years Eirtakon about what they did to the Halo tournament and I actually can't believe they were let away with so much.

Alright how's about we hear the story from someone that was just watching it, ok one I myself was not in any of the tournaments I ain't that good a player so I was standing watching the halo all day and yes the connection was bad all day but that was croke parks internet being **** and since the xbox ones don't have lan it had to be done with a laptop.
Now as for the lag yeah there was lag all day on Both Xboxes and the rules where to raise your hand and wait it out which worked all day with no complaints from other teams.

now here's why i'm writing this, as I said I've been watching the halo nearly all day and there was NO black screen on either xbox the final round or lag for that matter! all I seen was one guy stand up and start giving out and I thought ok maybe some things wrong but what? and when I found out after talking to a staff member im left there think ok there was no black screen at all what the hell?!

ok last few things is if the con people say there gonna hold a tournament their way then its gonna be their way and not only that its a CON tournament for fun and I really feel sorry for the staff cause there was a lot of **** and not just with the halo.

yeah know what I really hope that someone has the recordings of that halo match cause if there is lag the game will record the lag. I don't know maybe its just me but if anyone else has seen what I seen then I hope they make a post too.

Linoud wrote: »

If there was no lag, then why did they have a hissy fit and not want to swap consoles with the people who thought their one was lagging? Seems like a simple swap console then if they really think it was fair and there was no advantage being on the host xbox. I smell shenanigans.

I think Left4Shiz might be one of them, given the account was created today and it's only post is here. Just a thought...

Left4Shiz wrote: »

Now as for the lag yeah there was lag all day on Both Xboxes and the rules where to raise your hand and wait it out which worked all day with no complaints from other teams.

No self respecting Halo player would ever do this. It's the most laughable rule I have ever heard of. Absolutely tragic.



Anyway, I didn't make up the lag... they had literally spent hours dealing with connection issues on the day. What makes you think it would be different in the finals?

You cannot possibly argue that the other 2 weren't cheats. They made up a custom game where first team would spawn on BR 2, while team 2 spawns in green. Best and worst spawns respectively. And made damn sure they had host + the good spawn every time. Spawns are meant to be designed to be shuffled and even.
When we won our semi final match on 4 way split screen, they "bagsied" player 1 and 2 so they would be team 1. But then realised that they would have a better chance if they tried again to connect the 2 xbones. So one of them quickly plonked down in front of host xbone while the other one set it all up.

They are just cowardly crappy people. Instead of being sound and wanting a fair match, they did every sneaky thing they could think of to get an upper hand. When I spoke to them about it, I was very friendly and just wanted a fair game. It was the two of them who turned the situation sour because they didn't want a fair match and they were caught out. They were literally speechless when asked what they think would be fair or what should be done. When I realised that they actually knew what they were doing, I wasn't going to back down and let them get their way. Cheaters suck.

Even after the yellow shirts came over and heard us all out, I (for reasons beyond me) actually apologised to them both as I didn't like how things escalated as they did. But again their rotten attitudes shined through and they just looked away and huffed. Absolute losers.
I had not done anything wrong to them except point out that they had setup an unfair match. They are just so weak, in every sense of the word.

Doyler01 wrote: »

What in gods name is umbrella corporation..

Wow, just...wow, really?

Well I can see this is going to go nowhere

Anyway the way I see it, you can complain and moan all you want here till your fingers bleed, it wont change anything for either parties, you or them, the con is over and in the past so go ahead, i doubt boards will run out of server space anytime soon. But next time I say you can either try arrange set the tourney up yourself, spend the five hours trying to get it to work, and deal with people hassling and complaining at you all day, or just don't bother competing next time. Which is exactly the reason i don't bother with tournaments way too much butt hurt drama from everyone afterwards.

Doyler01 wrote: »

Did u dress up like that? Wow, just...wow, really?

Seriously? So because I cosplayed at an anime convention with literally HUNDREDS of other people who also cosplayed various things, a con which you clearly went to too, and you're trying to call me a nerd? what are you 12? dude of course I'm a nerd, we're all nerds just for going to a con, that's like saying water is wet, it freaking obvious, so I don't see how that was supposed to be a counter insult

Scyllaa wrote: »

If your gonna judge about something and be so hateful at least look further into it and watch the twitch stream it shows everything
Like honestly look at it fir our point of view we were winning and there was no lag (we have proof) and someone comes up being like "we lagged redo!" its like someone disputing a GB game you clearly won and you not submitting proof

We offered a redo on split screen with you having a 5 kill lead. Which you declined. You just wanted host advantage.

I asked beforehand could we have host xbox, you said no. You knew what you were doing, if you've ever played online you know what playing on a bad connection is like vs host.

You had the option of giving us a fair match, and did everything you could to avoid it. What should have happened, is a 4 way split screen match from the start (which is what we thought was happening as you 2 bagsied player 1 + 2). You can tell from how the BR shoots on our screen that the lag is rotten.

Host BR vs laggy BR is like a cannon vs BB gun.

You didnt offer that... the yellow shirt did which we accepted and then the xbox just died so we just offered a split because we were tired of it all, and you never asked before if you could have host xbox.
Why would we give you a fair match when you were lying to us
there is no lag on that stream and nothing wrong with your BR and when you complained about getting 4-shotted that can happen and we were teamshotting you, you know working as a team

Watch it and tell me there is lag it kicks off at 10:00
As well as that if there was lag why arent you using the video as proof? if what you are saying is true it should all be there

Ramza wrote: »

I've never organised a tourney before but I'm gonna guess that this is NOT an option for TOs to tell participants if something goes wrong? That is flatout idiocy imo. The goal of competitions and cons is to get people involved and try to attracts entrants and not shove them away. That is simply not an option, and this is not a personal attack at all

we weren't the TO we just provided the equipment

Doyler01 wrote: »

We offered a redo on split screen with you having a 5 kill lead. Which you declined. You just wanted host advantage.

This is probably the clearest evidence of something fishy going on. This was a bigger lead then when the first game stopped.
(thread moving so fast didn't see him contend this didn't happen. but who knows, my main point still stands)

Overall there's no excuse for any team to have an advantage, especially a huge advantage like having host over a WI-FI connection of all things. People can try and wave it off by saying "Oh it's only a con" or "stop moaning" but the point still stands that it was an unfair setting and the other team knew it, but would not admit it.

I wasn't in the tournament either, but if the claims of spawn manipulation are true well then I don't know how anyone could possibly defend their antics.


(btw had lots of fun at the con, super nice to get to know all you guys better, gonna try to get to more events over 2015)

Scyllaa wrote: »

You didnt offer that... the yellow shirt did which we accepted and then the xbox just died so we just offered a split because we were tired of it all, and you never asked before if you could have host xbox.
Why would we give you a fair match when you were lying to us
there is no lag on that stream and nothing wrong with your BR and when you complained about getting 4-shotted that can happen and we were teamshotting you, you know working as a team

Watch it and tell me there is lag it kicks off at 10:00
As well as that if there was lag why arent you using the video as proof? if what you are saying is true it should all be there

The yellow shirts actually said we were to play you on split screen. If your team won, its over. If we won, we would have to play a second match - winner takes all.

I did offer a run back, on split screen or with us on host and you guys having a 5 kill lead. But you didn't have much to say.

The venue internet was awful, and of all games, host on halo is a crazy advantage on poor internet.

If you spoke to any halo player about this, they would say that it's stupidly unfair to have that setup. So stupidly unfair that it defeats the purpose of having a competition at all.