Pokken Tournament

Macal · 26-08-2014 3:09pm #1

Umm... yay?

Doctor DooM · 26-08-2014 3:42pm

Streetfighter X Pokemon X Tekken...

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 3:57pm

Damned right yay. GET HYPE.

Doctor DooM · 26-08-2014 4:10pm

This could actually be the biggest fighting game ever, when you think about it...

K.O.Kiki · 26-08-2014 4:28pm

Looks like another reason to consider a WiiU.

*edit*

Oh wow, this was hinted at last year, and noone paid attention!

deathrider · 26-08-2014 4:52pm

I remember this being "accidentally" mentioned last year. According to the pokémon forums here on boards, it'll be Japan only and arcade only. I like the look of it- pokémon and fighting games? That's all my favourite things! I just hope that the character roster doesn't only feature Fight types.

Doctor DooM · 26-08-2014 4:58pm

deathrider wrote: »

I remember this being "accidentally" mentioned last year. According to the pokémon forums here on boards, it'll be Japan only and arcade only. I like the look of it- pokémon and fighting games? That's all my favourite things! I just hope that the character roster doesn't only feature Fight types.

There is frankly no way it will be Japan only and arcade only.

It might debut there, but it will not remain so.

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 5:28pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

There is frankly no way it will be Japan only and arcade only.

It might debut there, but it will not remain so.

Indeed. Ignoring for a moment that this is Nintendo's biggest cash-cow and a functional money-printer, if this was to be a Japan-exclusive, there's no way in hell the first teaser would be released in English.

Angron · 26-08-2014 5:34pm

I'm quite interested in this. I haven't really played fighting games since I had a few of the Tekken games on PS1/PS2, but if/when this comes out over here I'll probably have a go at it at some point. I guess the roster will be just limited to fighting types, which gives them around 30 odd characters if they just do fully evolved pokémon, to 46 if they have the lot in.

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 5:37pm

Angron wrote: »

I'm quite interested in this. I haven't really played fighting games since I had a few of the Tekken games on PS1/PS2, but if/when this comes out over here I'll probably have a go at it at some point. I guess the roster will be just limited to fighting types, which gives them around 30 odd characters if they just do fully evolved pokémon, to 46 if they have the lot in.

29 to be exact!

Primeape
Poliwrath
Machamp
Hitmonlee
Hitmonchan
Heracross
Hitmontop
Blaziken
Breloom
Hariyama
Medicham
Infernape
Lucario
Toxicroak
Gallade
Emboar
Conkeldurr
Throh
Sawk
Scrafty
Mienshao
Cobalion
Terrakion
Virizion
Keldeo
Meloetta
Chesnaught
Pangoro
Hawlucha

Since Mega Lucario's in the trailer, looks like other Mega forms will be on the table too. One or two of the not-fully-evolved ones will probably make it in too.

Doctor DooM · 26-08-2014 5:54pm

Would be gdlk if evolving was a meter burning mechanic. Bloody roar lives!

Angron · 26-08-2014 6:01pm

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Since Mega Lucario's in the trailer, looks like other Mega forms will be on the table too. One or two of the not-fully-evolved ones will probably make it in too.

Aye, plus there's at least one new fighting type mega evolution in the upcoming 3DS game, there could be more yet to come.

deathrider · 26-08-2014 7:37pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Would be gdlk if evolving was a meter burning mechanic. Bloody roar lives!

Yes, yes, and yes some more! That would be amazing. Also, on the side of amazing imaginary ideas, if this ran off the Tekken control scheme (one button for each limb) and each button represented each of Machamp's arms.

Also, in response to the arcade/japan only topic, I hope you're right, lads, because I'd happily sell your granny to get a go of this.

As I said above, I'm hoping the roster is not limited to fighting types. Put quite brutally, I think fighting type pokemon, for the most part, are pretty boring.

Angron · 26-08-2014 8:13pm

Maybe they could incorporate some other types such as rock or ground, but fighting has an advantage for this style of game in that most of that type are already humanoid looking.

There's a few of the fighting types I'd be a big fan of, like Heracross, Machamp, and Hitmonlee.

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 8:25pm

Th characters have to be at least vaguely humanoid for a game to work like this. Dark types like Weavile, Bisharp and Greninja for instance could work, but you're not getting something like Pikachu.

What I'm most interested in is whether there will actually be type-based damage rules in play like the main Pokemon games. Could be interesting, but tricky as hell to balance.

Angron · 26-08-2014 8:28pm

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking too. Dunno if they'll do the type effectiveness stuff. I mean, it's a pretty integral part of the series, but as you said balancing would be something of an issue.

deathrider · 26-08-2014 8:32pm

Angron wrote: »

Maybe they could incorporate some other types such as rock or ground, but fighting has an advantage for this style of game in that most of that type are already humanoid looking.

There's a few of the fighting types I'd be a big fan of, like Heracross, Machamp, and Hitmonlee.

The fact that they're all fairly humanoid is what makes their character designs quite boring, in my oppinion.

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Th characters have to be at least vaguely humanoid for a game to work like this. Dark types like Weavile, Bisharp and Greninja for instance could work, but you're not getting something like Pikachu.

What I'm most interested in is whether there will actually be type-based damage rules in play like the main Pokemon games. Could be interesting, but tricky as hell to balance.

I don't really agree. Fighters aren't really known for playing it safe, so going nuts and adding non-humanoids could really work. Look at Smash, for example. Some mad characters involved there. Also, doesn't BlazBlue have a splodge as a fighter? I suppose it would be more awkward in 3D that 2D to go wild like that though.

I reckon type match-ups would probably ruin the entire idea of a Pokémon fighting game. Kinda hoping Types are left at the door with this one.

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 8:53pm

deathrider wrote: »

The fact that they're all fairly humanoid is what makes their character designs quite boring, in my oppinion.

They're the Fighting type. Not quite sure what else you should expect from them.

I don't really agree. Fighters aren't really known for playing it safe, so going nuts and adding non-humanoids could really work. Look at Smash, for example. Some mad characters involved there. Also, doesn't BlazBlue have a splodge as a fighter? I suppose it would be more awkward in 3D that 2D to go wild like that though.

Exactly. If this were Smash, or something developed by ArcSys or Capcom, I'd say go crazy. 2D is the place crazy hit boxes and weird movement like Arakune (the splodge), Hugo or Dhalsim.

This is 3D though, being developed by Namco - more specifically the Tekken team. This is going to be all about rush-down, big combos and juggles. Character hurt boxes need to be relatively uniform, especially with regard to height. Have you tried fighting Gon in Tekken 3? Or Yoda in Soul Calibur IV? Their mere existence breaks the game.

Angron · 26-08-2014 9:18pm

Gon was a colossal pain in the arse to hit, I can't speak for Yoda.

TheMikenyan · 26-08-2014 9:20pm

Angron wrote: »

Gon was a colossal pain in the arse to hit, I can't speak for Yoda.

Exactly the same deal, except that a great many of his attacks involved leaping. Not only was unhittable by high attacks, he was almost impossible to react to - especially his throws. Banned from tournament play, and justifiably so.

deathrider · 26-08-2014 9:37pm

TheMikenyan wrote: »

They're the Fighting type. Not quite sure what else you should expect from them.
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Nothing really. They are what they are, but I still find them boring.

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Exactly. If this were Smash, or something developed by ArcSys or Capcom, I'd say go crazy. 2D is the place crazy hit boxes and weird movement like Arakune (the splodge), Hugo or Dhalsim.

This is 3D though, being developed by Namco - more specifically the Tekken team. This is going to be all about rush-down, big combos and juggles. Character hurt boxes need to be relatively uniform, especially with regard to height. Have you tried fighting Gon in Tekken 3? Or Yoda in Soul Calibur IV? Their mere existence breaks the game.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Yes, I remember Gon. Had a run in with him lately, in fact. And, yes, he comprised entirely of other peopl's headaches. I don't play Soul Cal, so I also can't say anything about Yoda's case. However, Soul Cal IV was about a hundred years ago, and Tekken 3 was a thousand before that. There's a chance that, at this stage, someone within the Tekken team may have come up with a solution. Also, non-humanoid Pokémon doesn't necassarily mean tiny. There are plenty of non-fighting big dudes to choose from without having to go for Pachirisu or Pikachu. Blastoise looks like a bug lad. Charizard is five foot or so. I'd say there's a whole lot more in there too.

However, every game ever should have Pachirisu in it. Not just Pokémon games either. I want to see him in Resident Evil, God of War, Call of Duty, GTA, Final Fantasy, Mortal Kombat; you name it!

Ramza · 27-08-2014 3:05am

There are a few mad hitboxes in Tekken Tag 2, Kunimitsu has a ****ed up hurtbox afaik and so does Zaf, Fergus can probably comment more

Sairus · 27-08-2014 7:38am

All this talk of only having fighting types in it? Y'all are ****ing crazy to think Pikachu aint going to be in this. ****ing monster crazy.
My random out of my ass assumption: Every character is going to have a Mega Form and it'll work like X-Factor. This game will debut Mega Pikachu.
Not even joking.

deathrider · 27-08-2014 8:41am

Sairus wrote: »

All this talk of only having fighting types in it? Y'all are ****ing crazy to think Pikachu aint going to be in this. ****ing monster crazy.
My random out of my ass assumption: Every character is going to have a Mega Form and it'll work like X-Factor. This game will debut Mega Pikachu.
Not even joking.

Pocket monster crazy? :pac:

I'll be honest, it was refreshing to see something pokémon related being announced without Pikachu being rammed down our throats. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't in the game alright. It would be like Street Fighter without Ryu.

As far as the Mega Evolutions go, does Machamp have a Mega? I know the other two lads we've seen (Lucario and Blaziken) do.

Doctor DooM · 27-08-2014 11:41am

Pikachu will be in the game, he will be easy to use and he'll be balanced and have a bit of everything.

Not our first time at this rodeo!

deathrider · 27-08-2014 12:58pm

The more I think about this, the more I'm intrigued and want to see more. Who'll be in it? Which way will the contols work? Are they going for a straight Tekken set-up? How many Bidoof can you fit in a pokécenter? Too many questions!

Angron · 27-08-2014 1:39pm

It'd be kinda funny if at the end of each battle you saw the loser being stretchered off to the pokémon centre :pac:

Fergus_ · 27-08-2014 7:21pm

Ramza wrote: »

There are a few mad hitboxes in Tekken Tag 2, Kunimitsu has a ****ed up hurtbox afaik and so does Zaf, Fergus can probably comment more

Kuni's hitbox has been patched like a month after she came out, Zafina's hitbox is pretty standard for a female, it's just when she goes into MNT/TRT stance, it can get funky but it looks like what it is.

Angel is prob the only char now that has a slightly weird hitbox, apparently King's f4 whiffs on her crouching (the homing mid)

But that's for another thread : )

Placebo · 27-08-2014 8:07pm

is everyone serious ? this looks awful.
Pokemon is dead as well.

It died after GOLD and SILVER.

yellow. never forget.

Angron · 27-08-2014 8:39pm

Placebo wrote: »

is everyone serious ? this looks awful.
Pokemon is dead as well.

It died after GOLD and SILVER.

yellow. never forget.

I beg to differ.

Ramza · 27-08-2014 9:12pm

Placebo wrote: »

is everyone serious ? this looks awful.
Pokemon is dead as well.

It died after GOLD and SILVER.

yellow. never forget.

QFT :pac:

Angron · 27-08-2014 10:46pm

https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/504671535391465472

Not going to be limited to fighting types (guy's apparently head of the Pokken development)

Doctor DooM · 28-08-2014 10:11am

Angron wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/504671535391465472

Not going to be limited to fighting types (guy's apparently head of the Pokken development)

It's really cool seeing all these outside people looking in on this FG project... Harada is really well known in the FG community, he'd often be found dressed up as Heihachi and similar stuff announcing games at conventions.

It was never in doubt it wouldn't be just fighting types to me tbh. FG characters tend to follow certain patterns and there was simply no way Pikachu or the original starter Pokemon were not going to be in this game. They want people to buy it, they'll all be in there!

It's amazing to me how much Nintendo is suddenly buying in to FGs.

Doctor DooM · 28-08-2014 11:36am

Double post: Harada basically saying Pokken won't play too much like Tekken, not focused on high/ low mix ups (yes!)

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/aug/26/harada-pokken-tournament-wont-feature-highlow-mix-ups-or-tekken-guest-characters-its-completely-different-game/

---Is it true that Tekken characters [will] be making guest appearances in Pokemon/Pokken Tournament?

Harada: Ha, ha, ha. Nope, Tekken characters will not be making an appearance.

As we're making a Pokemon fighting action battle game, I've already touched on this while on the livestream, but in this game there will not be a high/mid/low guard system mechanic. Instead, we're planning to include a new type of [mechanic]...

Sairus · 28-08-2014 2:45pm

I'm getting the feeling this game is going to play like a crossbreed of Naruto and Tekken.

TheMikenyan · 28-08-2014 9:01pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Double post: Harada basically saying Pokken won't play too much like Tekken, not focused on high/ low mix ups (yes!)

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/aug/26/harada-pokken-tournament-wont-feature-highlow-mix-ups-or-tekken-guest-characters-its-completely-different-game/

---Is it true that Tekken characters [will] be making guest appearances in Pokemon/Pokken Tournament?

Harada: Ha, ha, ha. Nope, Tekken characters will not be making an appearance.

As we're making a Pokemon fighting action battle game, I've already touched on this while on the livestream, but in this game there will not be a high/mid/low guard system mechanic. Instead, we're planning to include a new type of [mechanic]...

Lack of Tekken high/mid/low system throws my assumptions completely out the window. Now I'm really interested to see how this turns out. Having Harada at the helm can only be a good thing.

deathrider · 04-09-2014 7:10pm

Placebo wrote: »

is everyone serious ? this looks awful.
Pokemon is dead as well.

It died after GOLD and SILVER.

yellow. never forget.

I hear this all the time. Usually from the same kind of guys who tell me Street Fighter is dead too, just because they haven't played since SFII.

Angron wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/504671535391465472

Not going to be limited to fighting types (guy's apparently head of the Pokken development)

Glad to hear this. As I mentioned already, I really no fan of Fighting Types. However, I'm a big fan of the likes of Radidash and Sawsbuck which had got me thinking. If this is a 3D fighter, how will they made four legged pokémon side step without iot looking hugely unatural? I remember Ed Boon had this same problem while adding Motaro into Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. Unfortunately, he just cut off Big Mo's back legs, making him a minatur instead of a centaur, and wrapped some half-assed story about him being deseased or under a spell or something to that effect. I'm hoping Captain Tekken handles this problem better that Mister Kombat did.

Angron · 04-09-2014 7:12pm

Well it doesn't say that it's going to include all pokémon, so it's possible some of the four-legged ones won't be included.

deathrider · 04-09-2014 7:28pm

Angron wrote: »

Well it doesn't say that it's going to include all pokémon, so it's possible some of the four-legged ones won't be included.

True enough, but I'd imagine some four legged lads would. Let's say Venasaur (for example, since he was a starter from the originals) is in it. It still going to seem a little odd seeing it sidestep, unless they make it do a wee hop or something to that effect.

Doctor DooM · 05-09-2014 10:37am

It's not like 4 legged characters in an FG is that unusual. All depends on how the hitboxes are working in the background.

julan · 05-09-2014 10:45am

Pokemon + FG I think this will be a cool combination. I hope to see this soon

Sairus · 05-09-2014 4:01pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

It's not like 4 legged characters in an FG is that unusual. All depends on how the hitboxes are working in the background.

He's specifically referring to how a character will look when they sidestep.

Doctor DooM · 05-09-2014 9:28pm

Sairus wrote: »

He's specifically referring to how a character will look when they sidestep.

Ah ok.

...yeah they'll hop

deathrider · 08-09-2014 3:38pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Ah ok.

...yeah they'll hop

That's pretty much what I reckon too. It'll be amusing seeing some of the heavywieghts hopping about though.

Angron · 16-09-2014 12:00am

So, I was talking to a few folks today when we realised. Ditto could function as Mokujin did, transforming into a random Pokémon and using their moveset

Doctor DooM · 16-09-2014 10:21am

Angron wrote: »

So, I was talking to a few folks today when we realised. Ditto could function as Mokujin did, transforming into a random Pokémon and using their moveset

I would say there's a significant chance of that happening

Scavenger XIII · 16-09-2014 11:43am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I would say there's a significant chance of that happening

For extra confusion he should have the exact model and colour of the opponent, but still have a ditto face.

Angron · 16-09-2014 1:47pm

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

For extra confusion he should have the exact model and colour of the opponent, but still have a ditto face.

It's not unheard of :pac:

deathrider · 16-09-2014 8:51pm

Angron wrote: »

It's not unheard of :pac:

Wow, that's creepy!

Sairus · 17-09-2014 1:51am

Day 6. They suspect nothing.

Macal · 23-01-2015 3:24pm

http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

Suicine, Gardevoir and (sigh) Pikachu confirmed.

Pokken Tournament

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