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Garden Moths 2012

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Just put the trap out and got a new species for the garden straight away:

    Iron Prominent:D

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=12985


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    17 species caught last night in the rain. Need help with these 2:

    A Common or Wormwood Pug?

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=12988

    and this, about 10mm long:

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    Also got my first Silver Y of the year:

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=12986


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    17 species caught last night in the rain. Need help with these 2:

    A Common or Wormwood Pug?
    Common, which usually has small or absent discal spot, Wormwood has a distinct spot

    and this, about 10mm long:
    Another Brown House-moth :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Mothman wrote: »
    Another Brown House-moth :)

    Looks nothing like the last one! Obviously a very variable species, evolved to confuse moth trappers;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    Sorry bad photos today... was in a hurry and it was raining!

    Is this a Small Square Spot?
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    And this :confused: I'm coming up with too many possibilities! I think I'd left the flash on there so may look paler that it was.
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    Different moth but maybe the same?
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    littlebug wrote: »
    Sorry bad photos today... was in a hurry and it was raining!

    Is this a Small Square Spot?
    Yes
    And this confused.gif I'm coming up with too many possibilities! I think I'd left the flash on there so may look paler that it was.


    Different moth but maybe the same?
    Both Rustic Shoulder-knot
    This is the answer to so many id requests at this time of year. It just isn't as strongly marked as the other species about at moment. But the shoulder mark can be seen in both your pics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    Looks nothing like the last one! Obviously a very variable species, evolved to confuse moth trappers;)
    Just a dark and a light one, the latter probably a bit worn as well, but the dots which are obvious in the light specimen can be seen in the dark one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    Good catch last night :) with 40 moths of 21 species.

    648 White Shouldered House Moth
    1376 Small Magpie
    1727 Silver Ground Carpet
    1728 Garden Carpet x5
    1764 Common Marbled Carpet
    1834 Common Pug
    1904 Scorched Wing
    1906 Brimstone
    1958 Clouded Silver
    1992 Small Elephant Hawk Moth
    2060 White ermine
    2061 Buff Ermine
    2120 Ingrailed Clay x2
    2123 Small Square Spot x 2
    2147 Shears
    2326 Clouded Bordered Brindle x9
    2334 Rustic Shoulder Knot x 6
    2337x Marbled Minor
    2380 Treble Lines
    2422 Beautiful Golden y
    2449 Dark Spectacle

    + 2 cockchafers + 1 Sexton Beetle (necrodes litteralis I think)
    plus a few wings in the trap :( Do beetles eat moths?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Great catch LB!

    Mine was pretty poor, not worth listing here.

    Is this a Broken-barred Carpet?

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13005


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Id please. Not even sure if its a Moth. its 0.75MM nose to tail.
    IMG_7089.jpg

    Would this be a Dingy Shell?
    IMG_6979.jpg

    Another micro. Thanks
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Good few moths about on Friday night. 10c. Rain later in the night.
    Evergestis Forficalis x 1
    Flame Shoulder x 5
    White Ermine x 5
    Buff Ermine x 3
    Clouded Border x 1
    Pale Tussock x 1
    Light Brown Apple Moth x 3
    Peach Blossom x 2
    Garden Grass Veneer x 1
    Spectacle x 2
    Pebble Prominent x 1
    Peppered Moth x 1
    Scalloped Hazel x 4
    Brown House Moth x 1
    Poplar Hawk Moth x 1
    Twin-spot Carpet x 1
    Common Carpet x 1
    Clouded -border Brindle x 2
    Brown Silverline x 1
    Heart and Dart x 1
    Beauty Golden Y x 2
    Common Pug x 1
    Plus the ones above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Risked putting the trap out for a few hours last night, caught a Scalloped Hazel, 2 Hearts & Darts and my first Dark Arches of the year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    put the actinic out last night. Up bright and early to get it in before the rain started :)

    Clouded Bordered Brindle x 9
    Rustic Shoulder Knot x 2
    Peppered Moth x 2
    1 x Small Angle Shades

    plus 1 big micro or small macro that I haven't identified yet :)

    With the small angle shades I wondered if my marbled minor from Friday was mis-identified.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    empty trap this morning which surprised me since it was a relatively mild night though I suppose a bit cooler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    Great catch LB!

    Mine was pretty poor, not worth listing here.

    Is this a Broken-barred Carpet?
    Yes
    thebishop wrote: »
    Id please. Not even sure if its a Moth. its 0.75MM nose to tail.
    Obviously 7.5mm :)
    I think it is a moth and possibly a Coleophora species, most of which need dissecting to ID.
    Would this be a Dingy Shell?
    No, I had a number of Lead Belle last weekend which had wings closed. This could be another
    Another micro. Thanks
    I think Hedya species, need better photo :) easier said than done!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    littlebug wrote: »
    empty trap this morning which surprised me since it was a relatively mild night though I suppose a bit cooler.
    The incessant wet often results in empty traps :(
    Too windy with me to run trap last night. Will put it on tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    ![/QUOTE]
    Obviously 7.5mm :)
    I think it is a moth and possibly a Coleophora species, most of which need dissecting to ID.!![/QUOTE]
    No it was 0.75mm just about able to see with the naked eye:) Had to put an ext tube on the macro lense to get pic.Wouldnt be easy to dissect at that size:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    thebishop wrote: »

    No it was 0.75mm just about able to see with the naked eye:) Had to put an ext tube on the macro lense to get pic.Wouldnt be easy to dissect at that size:)
    Then not a moth, there are no known moths that small....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Cold and windy here last night. Easy to count the moths this moring.
    Buff Ermine x 2.
    White Ermine x 2
    Flame Shoulder x 1
    Small Square-spot x 1
    Gold Spot x 1
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    Had the trap in a friends garden last week,got this Green Silver-lines.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Wet and windy here, 9.5 deg C.

    1 x Scalloped Hazel
    3 x Heart & Dart
    1 x Marbled Minor agg
    1 x Turnip Moth (I think -pic below)

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13053


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    Yes that's a Turnip.

    I'm putting trap on tonight. Was too windy last night. The trap would not have survived!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    New one for the garden last night: Green Pug

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13068


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    A couple of mating pairs I've seen in my garden these past couple days.
    Ghost Moth this evening
    The male is the ghost.....:)
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    Six-spot Burnet on Monday evening
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    Staying with 6-spot Burnet
    6 weeks ago I found about 15 larvae amongst Bird's foot Trefoil
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    the cocoons are usually quite obvious, both empty and occupied, but it took me a while to find even one. This one was quite low down.
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    super pics MM.

    Had my first Large Yellow Underwing of the year in the trap this morning. I'll be seeing a lot more of those I think.
    Also 2x Heart and Dart, 2 x Clounded Bordered Brindle and a Middle Barred Minor.
    Surprisingly low numbers again.

    Yesterday my son saw a moth on the trampoline. He says it was brown and the same size as "normal" moths but skinnier. It had 4 or 5 white spots on each wing and didn't have a fluffy head:D Nothing in the book matches so I reckon we must have a super rarity :p
    He also says he wants to be a moth-finder when he grows up. What's the salary like? :pac:

    Can also add Garden Carpet and Garden Grass Veneer to that list. Must have been hiding on the bottom of the trap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LostCovey


    thebishop wrote: »
    Id please. Not even sure if its a Moth. its 0.75MM nose to tail.

    Did you really mean to say it was 3/4 of a millimetre???? That would make it the size of this full stop.

    How do you measure that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    LostCovey wrote: »
    Did you really mean to say it was 3/4 of a millimetre???? That would make it the size of this full stop.

    How do you measure that?

    You measure it with one of these.http://www.caulfieldindustrial.com/mitutoyo-series-50019620-digimatic-absolute-caliper/p-124383pd.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Another bad night last night - rain and wind, 13.1 deg C. Five GMS species inc my first Large Yellow Underwing of the year. I'm getting much larger and more varied catches on non-GMS nights due to weather conditions, I don't think my GMS records will be very representative. I've had some species caught who's flight season is now over/ending but never trapped them on GMS nights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    I had this one ID'd a s a Dark Arches - anyone think it might be something else:confused:

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13101


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    I have the trap out tonight in lieu of Friday night. I just had to rescue a moth from a puddle beside the trap. I popped it into the trap to dry out... hopefully still there in the morning.
    There's a nice (short) piece on moths in the Galway advertiser this week


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    I had my first Poplar Hawkmoth of the year in the trap this morning :)

    Also..

    3 x White Ermine
    2 x Buff Ermine
    1 x Heart and Dart
    1 x Map Winged Swift
    1 x Ghost (female)
    plus a couple of carpets that got away before I got a good look.

    Ghost and Map Winged Swift both new to me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Decent catch last night, 2 new species for the season:

    Poplar Hawkmoth
    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13106

    and a Snout
    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13107


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    I trapped on Sat night this week.Not alot of moths about.
    Cinnabar x 1
    Buff Ermine x 5
    White Ermine x 1
    Flame Shoulder x 1`
    Light Brown Apple-moth x 1
    Scalloped Hazel x 1
    Clouded Border Brindle x 1
    Uncertain x 1
    Eudonia Angustea x 1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    That new Field Guide to the Micro Moths of Britain & Ireland finally arrived yesterday (mis-sent to Australia for some reason according to An Post). It looks great, illustrations are excellent and lots of info. I've already added a few species to my garden list! One thing I won't be doing is trying to pronounce any of the Latin names out loud;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    That new Field Guide to the Micro Moths of Britain & Ireland finally arrived yesterday (mis-sent to Australia for some reason according to An Post). It looks great, illustrations are excellent and lots of info. I've already added a few species to my garden list! One thing I won't be doing is trying to pronounce any of the Latin names out loud;)
    Still waiting here.My copy must have gone via China :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Caught a Setaceous Hebrew Character last night - didn't realize they were around this early.

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13119


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Not in my garden but I was out doing a bat survey last night and saw two moths I didnt expect to find. Both were close to Belfast city centre.

    First moth seen was a Six spot burnet and then another, and another and ... Then I spotted their cocoons in the grass with pupa skins poking out of them

    The site is an old metal works that closed, was bought for multi millions for a multimillions development, flattened and the builder went bust. The only building on site is the building that was to be the building that housed the ideas - shopping, housing, relaxation ...

    Budlejas have moved in with willow and many grasses that now look like a meadow.

    After dark the bat survey started and in one section I started seeing moths flying by and they began to dance. It was a Ghost moth lek and something I have never seen before. It was brilliant. I know understand why the males are white. Soon females started arriving and were flying among the males. It looked like they were chosing random males.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    cool, wet and windy = no moths in the trap again :(.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Got about 30 moths, all the usual suspects except 1 Beauty which escaped before I could decide if it was Willow or Mottled:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    I've ID'd the 2 pics below as Dusky Brocades but stand open to correction:

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    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13210

    and got this nicely marhed Dark Arches:

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13211

    Got some Micros too, awful time trying to ID even with the new field guide. Think they are Scoparia ambigualis but possibly pyralella?

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13212


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    I had this one ID'd a s a Dark Arches - anyone think it might be something else:confused:
    It is Dark Arches
    Caught a Setaceous Hebrew Character last night - didn't realize they were around this early.
    They are double brooded.
    Got about 30 moths, all the usual suspects except 1 Beauty which escaped before I could decide if it was Willow or Mottled:mad:
    I'd mostly likely Mottled. Here Willow has a later flight season, but of course it could be different in your patch :)
    I've ID'd the 2 pics below as Dusky Brocades but stand open to correction:
    Top one is, but next one down is Dark Arches. Usually Dark arches is obviously larger than most moths in the trap. If this one was a Dusky Brocade size then it joins the many reports of small moths this year.
    Got some Micros too, awful time trying to ID even with the new field guide. Think they are Scoparia ambigualis but possibly pyralella?
    I do think it is S. ambigualis, but there probably is some overlap in appearance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Mothman wrote: »
    Usually Dark arches is obviously larger than most moths in the trap. If this one was a Dusky Brocade size then it joins the many reports of small moths this year.

    It was Dusky Brocade size. The other 2 Dark Arches caught the same night were much bigger, hence my confusion with the ID. Glad to hear I'm not the only one with stunted moths;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    any id on this one?

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    Also... is this a Clay?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    littlebug wrote: »
    any id on this one?
    1002 Lozotaenia forsterana
    Also... is this a Clay?

    Map-winged Swift, form gallicus


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    Mothman wrote: »
    1002 Lozotaenia forsterana



    Map-winged Swift, form gallicus

    Thanks. I wouldn't have got either of those. I was looking in all the wrong places!

    As well as those two I also had

    Gold Spot x1
    Miller x1
    Heart and Dart x 5
    Dusky Brocade x 1
    Flame Shoulder x 1
    Flame x1
    agriphila straminella x 3 (I think)

    plus quite a few escapees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Over 30 Heart & Dart last night, it starting again!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Friday night was very windy down here. Moths scarce again.
    Burnished-brass x 1.
    Buff Ermine x 1.
    Poplar Hawk moth x 1.
    Peach Blossom x 1.
    Flame Shoulder x 1.
    Uncertain x 1.
    Heart and Dart x 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Quiet a few of these around Glengarriff today.

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    Silver Barred Moth by fionbharra, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    28 species last night including some micros. Lots of season firsts plus a few brand new for the garden. Having some difficulties IDing a few:

    I think this is a Small Mottled Willow?
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    and a Pale Mottled Willow?
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    and an oddly coloured Mottled Beauty?
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    All with Mottled in the name!

    Other species caught were:

    Common Pug 4
    Heart & Dart 29
    Poplar Hawkmoth 1
    Scoparia ambigualis 9
    Garden Carpet 3
    Mottled Beauty 3
    Dusky Brocade 4
    Large Yellow Underwing 2
    Common Marbled Carpet 4
    Scalloped Hazel 3
    Burnished Brass 1
    Marbled Minor agg 3
    Flame Shoulder 1
    White Shouldered House Moth 1
    Brown House Moth 1
    Light Brown Apple Moth 1
    Common Swift 1
    Dark Arches 2
    Bright Line Brown-eye 1
    Scalloped Oak 1
    Cinnibar 1
    Lozotaenia forsterana 2
    Barred Fruit-tree Tortrix 1
    Lesser Yellow Underwing 1
    Chrysoteuchia culmella 1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    A promising evening had turned to horrible rain by morning. Still had a few moths.

    Cinnabar x1 (surprised me as I'd never seen them round here before)
    Heart & Dart x3
    White Ermine x 3
    Buff Ermine x3
    plus a few micros that I ignored due to wanting out of the rain!

    Also the two below. I've the first tagged as Light Arches and the second? looks similar but different and darker but maybe just the angle and lighting?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Mothman


    littlebug wrote: »
    Thanks. I wouldn't have got either of those. I was looking in all the wrong places!

    As well as those two I also had

    Gold Spot x1
    Miller x1
    Heart and Dart x 5
    Dusky Brocade x 1
    Flame Shoulder x 1
    Flame x1
    agriphila straminella x 3 (I think)

    plus quite a few escapees.
    A bit early for straminella, so very likely to be Garden Grass-veneer (Chrysoteuchia culmella)
    28 species last night including some micros. Lots of season firsts plus a few brand new for the garden. Having some difficulties IDing a few:

    I think this is a Small Mottled Willow?


    and a Pale Mottled Willow?


    and an oddly coloured Mottled Beauty?
    All with Mottled in the name!
    I think you have the 3 IDs correct. The Small Mottled Willow is an immigrant from where the recent humid weather has come from.
    littlebug wrote: »

    Also the two below. I've the first tagged as Light Arches and the second? looks similar but different and darker but maybe just the angle and lighting?

    The Light Arches pic is not great, but it looks like it and the other is a Shark!


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