Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Carawaystick · 10-02-2016 12:52am

Sam Russell wrote: »

I do not think that is correct. Luas must have priority as it alone crosses during its turn of the sequence, and it has to cross some time. Getting it to wait does not create extra time.

Don't people walking across O'Connell St cross at the same time?

Will there still be left turning vehicles onto Abbey st from O'Connell st., which will eat into time to walk across Abbey st.

Will there be a pedestrian crossing at *every* junction on O'Connell st and where Fleet st crosses the tramline, as trams have to yield to pedestrians crossing otherwise?

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 9:26am

Carawaystick wrote: »

Don't people walking across O'Connell St cross at the same time?

Not legally anyway. There's nearly always a pedestrian phase directly after the Luas phase (unless there's one of those sheep moments where nobody presses the crossing button), but not at the same time

Sam Russell · 10-02-2016 9:58am

lxflyer wrote: »

The trams don't appear at even intervals - but the lights do change at even intervals, and also the pedestrian lights change at the same time as trams cross O'Connell Street.

Buses coming from O'Connell Bridge always get a green light at Abbey Street - the sequence is set so that will happen.

Trams coming from Jervis take several minutes to get to O'Connell St and the phasing could be adjusted so they can cross without stopping. Abbey is a bit closer so less time to adjust the lights. However, buses stopping for 30 seconds will not make much difference as they get blocked beyond the GPO trying to get into their stop.

The Luas has to cross O'C St and that time has to be built into the sequence at some stage. Having a Luas stopped outside Easons for three minutes does not make any sense, when it could pass in 30 seconds.

AngryLips · 10-02-2016 11:14am

RIP Luas Line F

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:01pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Trams coming from Jervis take several minutes to get to O'Connell St and the phasing could be adjusted so they can cross without stopping. Abbey is a bit closer so less time to adjust the lights. However, buses stopping for 30 seconds will not make much difference as they get blocked beyond the GPO trying to get into their stop.

The Luas has to cross O'C St and that time has to be built into the sequence at some stage. Having a Luas stopped outside Easons for three minutes does not make any sense, when it could pass in 30 seconds.

The very fact that they had to switch the LUAS priority off at the junction should tell you that it did cause too much disruption.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:03pm

AngryLips wrote: »

RIP Luas Line F

Being honest I've never seen that line as a runner - it would be too slow compared with the 25a/25b from Lucan to the city centre, and the degree of priority it could have between the city centre and St James's Hospital was virtually nil.

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 12:05pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Being honest I've never seen that line as a runner - it would be too slow compared with the 25a/25b from Lucan to the city centre, and the degree of priority it could have between the city centre and St James's Hospital was virtually nil.

The south inner city portion of that never made any sense to me really, should have been a Red Line spur initially.

murphaph · 10-02-2016 12:15pm

Luas line F never made any sense at all. A long winding tram line running more or less parallel to a direct commuter rail line. Even without the Interconnector, it would still make more sense to spend the money on providing frequent bus feed in to the Kildare route stations and on improving the priority of the Red line from Heuston to the city centre, You'd get far more for your money than Line F. With the Interconnector Line F was barking mad.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:22pm

Dublin Bus have been quoted in the Irish Independent this morning....

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-bus-warns-82-million-passengers-a-year-will-be-impacted-by-capitals-pedestrian-plaza-34439609.html

An extract:

Dublin Bus warned of "potential knock-ons in terms of reliability" which could affect the 82 million passengers a year who travel through the city centre.

"Services through Thomas Street, George's Street and Patrick Street will be affected, and up to 100 buses an hour will need to be re-routed," one source said. "Some car traffic would have to go from the quays and there would need to be traffic management. Could this work? Yes it could. But it's reliant on less car movement and more kerbside space on Aston Quay and Bachelors Walk.

"The issue is where will buses go and will customers get the same level of service? If it doesn't work, we can't go back (to the current system)."

A map showing the impact is included in the article.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:22pm

Dublin Bus have been quoted in the Irish Independent this morning....

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-bus-warns-82-million-passengers-a-year-will-be-impacted-by-capitals-pedestrian-plaza-34439609.html

An extract:

Dublin Bus warned of "potential knock-ons in terms of reliability" which could affect the 82 million passengers a year who travel through the city centre.

"Services through Thomas Street, George's Street and Patrick Street will be affected, and up to 100 buses an hour will need to be re-routed," one source said. "Some car traffic would have to go from the quays and there would need to be traffic management. Could this work? Yes it could. But it's reliant on less car movement and more kerbside space on Aston Quay and Bachelors Walk.

"The issue is where will buses go and will customers get the same level of service? If it doesn't work, we can't go back (to the current system)."

A map showing the impact is included in the article.

Effectively:
Southbound buses from O'Connell Street will have to turn right off O'Connell Bridge onto Aston Quay, then left onto Parliament Street and then either:
- right onto Lord Edward Street
- left onto Dame Street and right onto Georges Street

Parliament Street and Grattan Bridge (Capel Street Bridge) will become two way for buses

Northbound buses from Georges Street will have to turn left onto Dame Street, right onto Parliament Street, cross Grattan Bridge and then right onto the North Quays

Buses coming from Pearse Street heading west will have to turn onto Tara Street and left onto Burgh Quay (left turn from Westmoreland Street onto Aston Quay will be removed).

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 12:23pm

Political support starting to really weight up behind this proposal: http://irishcycle.com/2016/02/09/business-group-backs-college-green-plaza-for-dublin/

cgcsb · 10-02-2016 12:24pm

lxflyer wrote: »

The very fact that they had to switch the LUAS priority off at the junction should tell you that it did cause too much disruption.

The city council also quietly turned off traffic light priority for buses across the city over a decade ago to appease the car lobby. They may not have our best interests at heart you know, and indeed they may not really understand what's going on.

cgcsb · 10-02-2016 12:26pm

AngryLips wrote: »

RIP Luas Line F

Was never a runner, an hour from Lucan to City Centre along a winding route. It made the current Red line to Tallaght look comparatively direct.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:33pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The city council also quietly turned off traffic light priority for buses across the city over a decade ago to appease the car lobby. They may not have our best interests at heart you know, and indeed they may not really understand what's going on.

I think that in this specific case they did - it caused too much disruption to the traffic flow on O'Connell Street (which is principally buses).

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:36pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Political support starting to really weight up behind this proposal: http://irishcycle.com/2016/02/09/business-group-backs-college-green-plaza-for-dublin/

With respect to that website - it does come from a specific viewpoint - that's only one side of the picture.

Political support can change when the opposing view be put - the impact on bus users.

plodder · 10-02-2016 12:41pm

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect to that website - it does come from a specific viewpoint - that's only one side of the picture.

Political support can change when the opposing view be put - the impact on bus users.

It's quite notable though, that city centre businesses seem to be behind it. I wouldn't have expected that. Good news imo.

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 12:42pm

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect to that website - it does come from a specific viewpoint - that's only one side of the picture.

Political support can change when the opposing view be put - the impact on bus users.

I hesitated linking to that website because I thought someone would say that, but it's just linking to the statements made by the business groups:

http://www.wearedublintown.ie/2016/02/proposed-college-green-plaza/
http://www.dubchamber.ie/news/press-releases/news/display-news/2016/02/08/luas-investment-paves-way-for-exciting-college-green-'plaza'-proposal

Those are heavy political hitters tbf, so I think it's still a fair assessment. Even the Dublin Bus quotes you linked to seem less concerned with stopping the plaza, than ensuring it is accompanied by additional traffic changes elsewhere.

monument · 10-02-2016 12:48pm

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect to that website - it does come from a specific viewpoint - that's only one side of the picture.

Political support can change when the opposing view be put - the impact on bus users.

With all due respect, if you want to bash thing please have a bases for doing so. The article linked to is fairly clear-cut and straight forward reporting for the positions of the main business groups.

It's not an opinion article, it's mainly made up of quotes from the main business groups. It's not an article covering an overview of support or objections, it's just covering the business perspective. I'm not going around bashing the article only giving the Dublin Bus view (I will also be doing an over ie article including all view but there seems to be a hell of lot of support for the plan even among drivers and bus users and people I know to be very pro bus!).

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 12:53pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I hesitated linking to that website because I thought someone would say that, but it's just linking to the statements made by the business groups:

http://www.wearedublintown.ie/2016/02/proposed-college-green-plaza/
http://www.dubchamber.ie/news/press-releases/news/display-news/2016/02/08/luas-investment-paves-way-for-exciting-college-green-'plaza'-proposal

Those are heavy political hitters tbf, so I think it's still a fair assessment. Even the Dublin Bus quotes you linked to seem less concerned with stopping the plaza, than ensuring it is accompanied by additional traffic changes elsewhere.

The DB quote makes the point that they have to put the infrastructure in place to make this work, and if it doesn't we're stuck with it.

The route for buses from George's Street to either O'Connell Street or Eden Quay is not only longer, but will involve at least two additional sets of traffic lights.

Presumably given Capel Street bridge will become two way, that will mean a longer light sequence to allow northbound buses turn onto the Quays, which in turn will mean a longer red light for traffic already on the Quays.

The devil will be in the detail in terms of where traffic is going to be diverted, but I remain very much unconvinced that routes such as the 9, 16 and 122 will not take longer, and I think anyone using the 83/a won't be too happy at the fact that it will (in all likelihood) be diverted away completely from the city centre.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 1:01pm

monument wrote: »

With all due respect, if you want to bash thing please have a bases for doing so. The article linked to is fairly clear-cut and straight forward reporting for the positions of the main business groups.

It's not an opinion article, it's mainly made up of quotes from the main business groups. It's not an article covering an overview of support or objections, it's just covering the business perspective. I'm not going around bashing the article only giving the Dublin Bus view (from unnamed sources -- I'll be happy to make their view clear when they do!).

I am not bashing the article - just pointing out that it is one from a site that is very clearly targeted towards cyclists and improving their lot. With due respect, while I appreciate your view on the LUAS routing, your primary concern is not the impact on buses.

I am a daily bus user and (not having my own website) will happily post my counter view here.

Sam Russell · 10-02-2016 1:02pm

lxflyer wrote: »

The very fact that they had to switch the LUAS priority off at the junction should tell you that it did cause too much disruption.

I think the crash between a bus and a Luas might have more to do with it than disruption. Stop everything else is safer.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lapse-by-driver-of-luas-led-to-crash-with-bus-29102210.html

Of course if he did not have to stop, then the crash would not have occurred.

monument · 10-02-2016 1:03pm

For those reading the bus diversion comments and not knowing about Luas Cross City, it's worth saying:

Many of the diversions would have been needed anyway and bus priority will be greater on the quays than before because the plan is to restrict traffic levels on the quays.

Not diverting many of the buses off College Green would have resulted in massive conflict between trams, buses, and, even, even bicycle too.

plodder · 10-02-2016 1:03pm

Just looking at the drawings at

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/major-pedestrian-and-cycle-plaza-plan-for-dublin-s-college-green-1.2527217

I think a big open space doesn't do it justice really, and I hope they are considering something a bit more ambitious design-wise.

plodder · 10-02-2016 1:03pm

Just looking at the drawings at

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/major-pedestrian-and-cycle-plaza-plan-for-dublin-s-college-green-1.2527217

I think a big open space doesn't do it justice really, and I hope they are considering something a bit more ambitious design-wise.

monument · 10-02-2016 1:06pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I am not bashing the article - just pointing out that it is one from a site that is very clearly targeted towards cyclists and improving their lot. With due respect, while I appreciate your view on the LUAS routing, your primary concern is not the impact on buses.

I am a daily bus user and (not having my own website) will happily post my counter view here.

Nobody asking you not to post a counter view but you attacked the intergery of a news article. It was not a comment arrive saying 'cycling rules' etc, it was a straightforward news article outlining the position of the business groups.

Edit: I respect you as a poster but you're getting very personal on this. I'm very pro-public transport as well as cycling. I've defended the inclusion of buses along Luas tracks even-thought I would hardly ever use these buses -- I see the greater good in things beyond my own use or preferred mode of transport.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 1:09pm

monument wrote: »

Nobody asking you not to post a counter view but you attacked the intergery of a news article. It was not a comment arrive saying 'cycling rules' etc, it was a straightforward news article outlining the position of the business groups.

I didn't - I just pointed out that it is a link to a website aimed at cyclists.

It's worth pointing that out.

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 1:14pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I didn't - I just pointed out that it is a link to a website aimed at cyclists.

It's worth pointing that out.

Why? It doesn't change the fact that DublinTown and Dublin Chamber of Commerce have both put out statements in support of this plan.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 1:16pm

monument wrote: »

Edit: I respect you as a poster but you're getting very personal on this. I'm very pro-public transport as well as cycling. I've defended the inclusion of buses along Luas tracks even-thought I would hardly ever use these buses -- I see the greater good in things beyond my own use or preferred mode of transport.

With respect I didn't even mention you in my post. I merely commented that it should be seen as a website aimed at cyclists.

I think if you edit a pro-cycling website, you have to be able to accept that.

I'm not attacking you personally - don't take it as that, but you have to accept that bus users tend not to have the lobbying power that cyclists do, Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann tend not to be able to fight these sort of things in public as it risks annoying their paymasters, and as a result the bus user tends to be right down the bottom of the pecking order in terms of looking at the attractiveness of most proposals in Dublin city centre.

monument · 10-02-2016 1:23pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Why? It doesn't change the fact that DublinTown and Dublin Chamber of Commerce have both put out statements in support of this plan.

Exactly, the article in question only mentions cycling to say it's a pedestrian and cycling plaza.

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect I didn't even mention you in my post. I merely commented that it should be seen as a website aimed at cyclists.

I think if you edit a pro-cycling website, you have to be able to accept that.

I'm not attacking you personally - don't take it as that, but you have to accept that bus users tend not to have the lobbying power that cyclists do, Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann tend not to be able to fight these sort of things in public as it risks annoying their paymasters, and as a result the bus user tends to be right down the bottom of the pecking order in terms of looking at the attractiveness of most proposals in Dublin city centre.

You did not mention me personally but you did in another post focus on my background.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 1:23pm

monument wrote: »

For those reading the bus diversion comments and not knowing about Luas Cross City, it's worth saying:

Many of the diversions would have been needed anyway and bus priority will be greater on the quays than before because the plan is to restrict traffic levels on the quays.

Not diverting many of the buses off College Green would have resulted in massive conflict between trams, buses, and, even, even bicycle too.

With respect no they would not.

A certain number of routes would still have been re-routed via Westland Row as there would not be the road space to share with LUAS, with some routes reverting to Grafton Street.

By no means was it ever suggested until now that routes using Dame Street would have had to be re-routed.

monument · 10-02-2016 1:31pm

For those really not able to walk extra, it's worth also saying that a possablly free city centre transfer is also being looked at. One of the business groups said so at the transport committee meeting this morning.

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect no they would not.

A certain number of routes would still have been re-routed via Westland Row as there would not be the road space to share with LUAS, with some routes reverting to Grafton Street.

By no means was it ever suggested until now that routes using Dame Street would have had to be re-routed.

It was never really stated where the routes would be diverted from, it seems now the fewer of the Dawson Street - Grafton Street routes will have to be diverted as there will be extra capacity with the junction at College Green removed.

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 1:34pm

plodder wrote: »

Just looking at the drawings at

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/major-pedestrian-and-cycle-plaza-plan-for-dublin-s-college-green-1.2527217

I think a big open space doesn't do it justice really, and I hope they are considering something a bit more ambitious design-wise.

There will be an open procurement for architects who will actually design the plaza - at the minute it's intentionally being left as a blank slate design wise because they haven't gotten that far yet.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 1:37pm

monument wrote: »

It was never really stated where the routes would be diverted from, it seems now the fewer of the Dawson Street - Grafton Street routes will have to be diverted as there will be extra capacity with the junction at College Green removed.

I actually don't think that will be the case - there really won't be room for any more than three high frequency routes (e.g. 15, 46a and 140) sharing the space along Nassau Street and Grafton Street. With a 3 minute LUAS frequency that's all that would have fitted. The removal of the left turn off Westmoreland Street means that many of the routes won't revert to the old route in any case.

As I said before the fact that the planners are taking one of the four traffic lanes that could be used by buses and LUAS on College Green to fit two cycle lanes is their decision and that is causing the northbound conflict.

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:09pm

AngryLips wrote: »

RIP Luas Line F

No doubt they'll connect it underground to MN out in FI as we'd say on the weather threads :rolleyes:

But sure what would people on the West side want with PT? Can't they walk or cycle...it's only 10 miles and with our Mediterranean climate we don't need the normal European transport solutions in Dublin.....

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:17pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I'd make these assertions:
Public opinion is firmly behind a pedestrianization of College Green

This true to the extent that nearly all would support it regardless of the affect on private traffic.

This is also true to the extent that a majority would support it regardless of the affect on bus transport

If that's true than that is a problem; the "private cars" is not going to be contested by many - but bus services are Pubic Transport - the only form of PT for much of Dublin thanks to the failure to develop anything near an adequate Luas/Metro network.

As for a "fait acompli" - probably. But then it's odd that people here who whine about the M50 seem to regard it as "bad planning" despite the fact that a vast majority supported it.

Unlike the Plaza in a few years time when it causes commuter chaos.....we won't be digging up the M50!

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:23pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Don't people walking across O'Connell St cross at the same time?

Will there still be left turning vehicles onto Abbey st from O'Connell st., which will eat into time to walk across Abbey st.

Will there be a pedestrian crossing at *every* junction on O'Connell st and where Fleet st crosses the tramline, as trams have to yield to pedestrians crossing otherwise?

That's what we get when we decide to build lovely "plazas" and put Luas lines through a major transport artery before we invest in the normal European underground networks that allow the "environment" at street level.

Pity poor old Garret Fitzgerald isn't around to see his much-criticised predictions of Luas cross city vindicated!

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:26pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Political support starting to really weight up behind this proposal: http://irishcycle.com/2016/02/09/business-group-backs-college-green-plaza-for-dublin/

That doesn't make it sensible...as we've seen in so many decisions supported by the majority down the years.

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:30pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Was never a runner, an hour from Lucan to City Centre along a winding route. It made the current Red line to Tallaght look comparatively direct.

It certainly was/is if we were prepared to invest in a higher spec; more tunnels and raised sections.....like they do everywhere else.

The Red Line also happens to be very successful; main problem with F is it would join the Saggart and Tallaght lines through the city from Inchacore. That was not a smart idea.

MJohnston · 10-02-2016 2:38pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

That doesn't make it sensible...as we've seen in so many decisions supported by the majority down the years.

It makes it sensible for quite a lot of people. At least lxflyer is responding with factual arguments, you're just preying on rhetorical notions regarding government mistakes. Are you a politician? They seem to be mostly concerned with throwing blame than just getting things right in the present.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 2:42pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

It certainly was/is if we were prepared to invest in a higher spec; more tunnels and raised sections.....like they do everywhere else.

The Red Line also happens to be very successful; main problem with F is it would join the Saggart and Tallaght lines through the city from Inchacore. That was not a smart idea.

Line F was actually to route via James's Street, Thomas Street, Lord Edward Street and Dame Street to terminate on College Green.

The shared route was just from Kylemore Road to Fatima.

How that route from the hospital to the city could ever be seen as realistic is beyond me. Tied with the diversion from Ballyfermot to the Naas Road, it really meant that the competitiveness of the route from Lucan to the city was utterly diluted.

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:50pm

MJohnston wrote: »

It makes it sensible for quite a lot of people. At least lxflyer is responding with factual arguments, you're just preying on rhetorical notions regarding government mistakes. Are you a politician? They seem to be mostly concerned with throwing blame than just getting things right in the present.

I'm not a politician. Concern from infrastructural spending appears not to win many votes unless the proposed spend is very local.

I'm replying to points made and blocking a major transport artery before other necessary measures to support city centre measures is not "getting things right".

I have clearly indicated by support for the points made by lxflyer, no point in me repeating them.

We are proposing, now, 2016, to yet again take the cheap solution regardless of the consequences.

I also predict we'll be opening up the "plaza" to PT again when the chaos ensues. Maybe you missed that?

And if you are going to characterise my points rather then deal with them - I can do that too in response;)

Schadenfreudia · 10-02-2016 2:52pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Line F was actually to route via James's Street, Thomas Street, Lord Edward Street and Dame Street to terminate on College Green.

Wasn't the latest proposal, before the economic crash, to do Lucan to Inchicore and long-finger the spur to Trinity?

cgcsb · 10-02-2016 2:56pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

If that's true than that is a problem; the "private cars" is not going to be contested by many - but bus services are Pubic Transport - the only form of PT for much of Dublin thanks to the failure to develop anything near an adequate Luas/Metro network.

As for a "fait acompli" - probably. But then it's odd that people here who whine about the M50 seem to regard it as "bad planning" despite the fact that a vast majority supported it.

Unlike the Plaza in a few years time when it causes commuter chaos.....we won't be digging up the M50!

The M50 it's self was not bad planning, the over suburbanisation of Dublin was bad planning.

cgcsb · 10-02-2016 3:01pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

It certainly was/is if we were prepared to invest in a higher spec; more tunnels and raised sections.....like they do everywhere else.

The route as it was proposed was unworkable, which was my point. Of course a more direct route with segregation would have been a great asset, but we are a rural orientated society and will remain so as long as our current population distribution remains at only circa 60% Urban, Europe's exception.

cgcsb · 10-02-2016 3:05pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Wasn't the latest proposal, before the economic crash, to do Lucan to Inchicore and long-finger the spur to Trinity?

Yup, so we would've had trams from Tallaght, Saggart and Lucan all piling into the at-grade red luas line in the City Centre. Meaning infrequent services for all.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 3:15pm

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Wasn't the latest proposal, before the economic crash, to do Lucan to Inchicore and long-finger the spur to Trinity?

Not sure about that. I'm pretty sure it was always heading down to Trinity.

I certainly don't recall it ever being suggested that it would follow the Red Line through the city centre.

AngryLips · 10-02-2016 3:23pm

Of course, they could still proceed with line F and simply terminate it a bit earlier and before the plaza, like in front of the central bank. There would be much less demand for such a wide road space on Dame Street between College Green and the junction of Georges Street once this plan is implemented

noelfirl · 10-02-2016 3:27pm

The later proposals with regards to Lucan definitely separately designated the projects into F1 (Lucan - Blackhorse) and F2 (James's - Trinity). I recall F2 even went down the road with a snazzy subname - Luas Liberties.

Can't be absolutely certain but I think that was to translate into F1 being built first then F2 at a later stage (i.e. maybe not at all).

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 3:36pm

Either way - I think line F is somewhat irrelevant here - I can't see it ever materialising.

LXFlyer · 10-02-2016 6:26pm

Dublin Bus have issued a statement this afternoon:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/College-Green-Bus-Corridor-of-Strategic-Importance-to-Dublin-Bus-customers/

College Green Bus Corridor of Strategic Importance to Dublin Bus customers

Published on Monday, February 08, 2016

As the largest public transport service provider in Ireland, with 122 million customer journeys in 2015, College Green is a corridor of strategic importance for Dublin Bus. Almost two thirds (61%) of all public transport trips into Dublin city centre are made on Dublin Bus.

The College Green Bus Corridor has given faster, consistent and more reliable journey times for the 82 million Dublin Bus customers who travel through it annually. This in turn benefits customers on all cross city routes and generally benefits the reliability of the 360,000 daily customer trips across our network.

The corridor has been the single most progressive element of the Bus Priority Programme in the Greater Dublin Area and has delivered major benefits. It is at the core of Dublin’s retail and commercial centre which is where people coming into Dublin city want to go. Dublin Bus plays a significant part in the solution towards migrating people to public transport thus helping to create sustainable urban living in our capital and ensuring that Dublin city remains a thriving economic, cultural, retail, academic, social and political centre.

If Dublin Bus services can no longer travel on this strategic corridor a suitable and realistic alternative needs to be found which is attractive for customers, tourists and businesses and provides:
Bus priority
Reliability
Consistent journey times
Access and close proximity to the core Dublin retail and commercial centre

Dublin Bus will continue to work proactively with Dublin City Council to ensure that bus routes which have been diverted to unsuitable alignments to facilitate Luas Cross City works are reinstated after construction.

Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

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