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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

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    #8642
    Cpt_Blackbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Cpt_Blackbeard


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    In fairness Kiss wasn't running the attack. It was a joint effort between him, Tainton, Smal and even Kidney. That was O'Driscoll's complaint. That seems to be what they're addressed.

    Now we will see an improvement if Kiss is up to it. South Africa was a step in the right direction compared to earlier in the year (even if some people are completely unwilling to see that).

    I think it's all too late though. Kiss is a very good coach by all accounts but his fate is tied to Kidney's and I don't think Kidney will be able to get the best out of these players. They know the contract situation and they know that the coaching staff haven't delivered since 09. i think therell be an element of Kidney-clock-watching. I don't think Kiss will be able to deliver results regardless of his owna ability as a coach unless he's retained by a new appointment, which would seem unlikely.

    I don't know if Kiss is a very good coach though. Sure, the choke tackle worked brilliantly when it was first introduced and Kiss got tonnes of well deserved plaudits for that, but our defense has been very poor lately. Even looking back the RWC quarter final - and many losses since - we suffered because we were so passive in defense.


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    #8643
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »
    I don't know if Kiss is a very good coach though. Sure, the choke tackle worked brilliantly when it was first introduced and Kiss got tonnes of well deserved plaudits for that, but our defense has been very poor lately. Even looking back the RWC quarter final - and many losses since - we suffered because we were so passive in defense.

    Since the RWC Kiss hasn't been full-time defense coach though. That's part of the problem, or at least you'd imagine it is. Our defensive record prior to this years 6 Nations had been pretty good though.


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    #8644
    ScissorPaperRock
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Since the RWC Kiss hasn't been full-time defense coach though. That's part of the problem, or at least you'd imagine it is. Our defensive record prior to this years 6 Nations had been pretty good though.

    It was disastrous for the RWC quarter-final against Wales.


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    #8645
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    jm08 wrote: »
    I'd assume nothing. I'm no expert, but the TH would not work in isolation. Even getting the hit right and Archer would not have trained with Munster for a while as he was in camp.

    No! No! I'm going to resist. It's too easy. Go figure?:D:D

    Archer would no doubt have trained with Ireland. Ludicrous I know but there you are.


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    #8646
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can't be arsed turning up for work tomorrow jm08, but I can't think of a reason. Could you have a look at your list of excuses and see if there's anything I can use?


    That would take days to go through them all. Have a bit of humanity.


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    #8647
    JF100
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭JF100


    its_phil

    "Why do you sound like my finance lecturer?"

    Much as I might wish for a career in Academia, I do not lecture in Finance.
    I do however wish to raise the standards of the postings on this particular forum...


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    #8648
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »
    It was disastrous for the RWC quarter-final against Wales.

    That was one game. You can't judge someone on a once off.


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    #8649
    Foxtrol
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    That was one game. You can't judge someone on a once off.

    He then played the same sort of passive defensive system when we met them again in the 6 nations. Definition of insanity etc, etc.


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    #8650
    JF100
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭JF100


    Newsflash: M McCarthy replaces D Ryan on the bench v Fiji due to illness.

    Good IT article on the use & timing of the Bench (a clear weakness of this administration).

    Does anybody else hope that Fiji are good and give these boys a stern test?

    Prediction: Irl to win by 15..?
    [What is the spread?]


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    #8651
    Cpt_Blackbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Cpt_Blackbeard


    molloyjh wrote: »
    That was one game. You can't judge someone on a once off.

    True. Kidney also only lost once to Wales in the RWC. 4 more years!


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    #8652
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    JF100 wrote: »
    Prediction: Irl to win by 15..?
    [What is the spread?]

    Ireland-24 which might be right or maybe a little generous.


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    #8653
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Ireland-24 which might be right or maybe a little generous.

    With a competent coach Ireland would easily beat that handicap but with Kidney I wouldn't hold my breath.


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    #8654
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,365 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Apologies if this has already been answered, but how come this game isn't a full international like England v Fiji was last week?


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    #8655
    Deano7788
    Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Deano7788


    awec wrote: »
    Apologies if this has already been answered, but how come this game isn't a full international like England v Fiji was last week?

    They can only use the Aviva for capped matches.


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    #8656
    Fireball07
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    awec wrote: »
    Apologies if this has already been answered, but how come this game isn't a full international like England v Fiji was last week?

    Because of the IRFU's contract with Aviva, all full internationals must be played in Lansdowne Road. Since we're not likely to fill that, it's on in Thomond Park and, therefore, not a full international.


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    #8657
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    But the point is that none of us were to know that he couldn't develop the ability when he first came on the scene. He had potential, didn't fulfill it, that's what I said and I don't see what's wrong with that!

    Every fit, strong, athletic and interested player has potential. If you don't see it by 21 or 22 forget it. Big Tony was a very strong man but strength in the scrum is only part of the mix. Tony was also too tall. It's a similar story with Hagan. Once a good, short loosehead gets under them they are fecked. The problem from a fans point of view is that when we see a prop getting humiliated week in and out yet selected and 'lauded' for Ireland we wonder why? On a separate note, anyone who plays in the front row at a decent level or above is a hero, including Mushy. Think of the courage it takes to pack down knowing you will soon be looking at your second rows jock strap.
    JF100 wrote: »
    We digress...
    Mr Buckley is earning a crust at Saracens & good luck to the man.
    No he's not. Unless sale have sacked him.
    JF100 wrote: »
    PS Can anyone tell me the name of that pudding ..???
    That's a Chocolate Archer.
    totallegend wrote: »
    The inclusion of Fitzpatrick in the Ulster squad this weekend makes the selection of Ross for tomorrow all the more baffling.
    The inclusion of Court and Fitzpatrick in the Ulster team says a lot for the Ireland coach and his famous man management.


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    #8658
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    jacothelad wrote: »
    The inclusion of Court and Fitzpatrick in the Ulster team says a lot for the Ireland coach and his famous man management.

    As matter of interest jaco, who are Ulsters back-up props to Court, Afoa & Fitzpatrick? Seem to remember Brady filling in as a prop at one stage last year.


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    #8659
    freyners
    Registered Users Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭freyners


    mcallister?


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    #8660
    damianmcr
    Registered Users Posts: 740 ✭✭✭damianmcr


    McAllister, Black, Macklin, Lutton


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    #8661
    leonard7
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭leonard7


    mc callisters out for the season tho


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    #8662
    damianmcr
    Registered Users Posts: 740 ✭✭✭damianmcr


    leonard7 wrote: »
    mc callisters out for the season tho
    He is indeed.


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    #8663
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    So, we have to beat Argentina now or else we drop to 9th in the rankings. The Scotland/SA game doesn't matter anymore.


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    #8664
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭phog


    danthefan wrote: »
    So, we have to beat Argentina now or else we drop to 9th in the rankings. The Scotland/SA game doesn't matter anymore.

    Would a draw not keep us in 8th place?


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    #8665
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    phog wrote: »
    Would a draw not keep us in 8th place?

    Well yeah turns out it would but it's so unlikely that I basically ignored the possibility.


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    #8666
    snow mad
    Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭snow mad


    danthefan wrote: »
    Well yeah turns out it would but it's so unlikely that I basically ignored the possibility.

    do we not stay up if wales go down regardless of samoas results starting to confuse myself now


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    #8667
    Ciaran-Irl
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Ciaran-Irl


    snow mad wrote: »

    do we not stay up if wales go down regardless of samoas results starting to confuse myself now

    If we lose to Argentina by any margin, and Scotland beat Tonga by >15, and Wales lose to both Australia and NZ, then Wales go to 9th, and we go to 10th. Argentina, Samoa and Scotland would be 6/7/8.

    We basically need to beat Argentina now. Must win game already.


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    #8668
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    The worst part about being a 3rd seed is probably the schedule. If it stays the same it makes 3rd seeds play games closer together. It would make it very hard for us to qualify from our group.


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    #8669
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Ciaran-Irl wrote: »
    If we lose to Argentina by any margin, and Scotland beat Tonga by >15, and Wales lose to both Australia and NZ, then Wales go to 9th, and we go to 10th. Argentina, Samoa and Scotland would be 6/7/8.

    We basically need to beat Argentina now. Must win game already.

    well if that happens then it's not the end of the world, if wales and ourselves become third seeds and argentina and samao and scotland are second seeds then it's just a case of drawing one of those sides as a second seed instead of us being a second seed and drawing one of those sides as a third seed

    it still comes down to the luck of the draw

    there will a strong top seed - new zealand

    a strong second seed - england or france or australia

    and a strong third seed - argentina or ourselves/wales

    avoid the strong seeds and we should be ok no matter what pot we are in, too much is made of this

    we'd be very unlucky to get a strong top seed and a strong second seed even if we are a third seed and if we lose to both of those in the group then we were never likely to do well anyway


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    #8670
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Has anyone got any information regarding the 2013 Summer tour of North America?

    Been trying to find some online but to no avail, I might be stateside on a J1 next summer so would be good to get to a game or two if possible.

    Cheers.


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    #8671
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Has anyone got any information regarding the 2013 Summer tour of North America?

    Been trying to find some online but to no avail, I might be stateside on a J1 next summer so would be good to get to a game or two if possible.

    Cheers.

    They haven't announced the details of the tour yet. Generally America play in a place called Glendale, near Denver. But they do also play in other places around America. Given that its Ireland it could be anywhere.

    You'll have to wait until they announce the details of the tour.


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